This happened on Westheimer last wknd. I was cruising on Westheimer admiring the rides and this Prelude would not leave me alone. He seemed like he was stock but he kept getting on it and then letting off. I finally gave in and went from a 30 roll. I pulled 2 cars by 70 and let off.

I could see him talking to a guy in a Harley Davidson truck. Correct me if I am wrong, but i think it has the Lightning engine in it. We went from around 40. He got a jump and then I shift to 3rd and even it out and then I start to pull and we shut it down. He switched lanes and rolled down the window.

"that is a quick car man"

"thanks I like that truck it looks sweet"

"Good run are you stock?"

"yep"

all in all good race

not lightning motor. jsut non-SC 5.4 sohc IIRC.

my bad it sounded good though. I thought at one time they put the 99 Lightning engine in the Harley Davidson Trucks

same motor jsut no supercharger.

same motor jsut no supercharger.

No, it was an '02 with that wierd gray color. It has the supercharged engine

ok im wrong

340hp, 425tq.

yeah the harleys, have less HP I know, and they are heavy, since they are the crew cabs. Also they have bigger flashier rims. Pretty much they are still a fast truck, but no whre as good as the lightning.

I can see how it would be considered a fast truck. I expected a little more I guess :rolleyes

I can see how it would be considered a fast truck. I expected a little more I guess :rolleyes
race the lightning. It will smoke ya. that actualyl is a fat truck.

The harley is the fatter, weaker younger brother of hte lightning. :)

harley davidson can be made very fast...they are in fact the supercharged 5.4l v8...http://www.fordf150.net/specs/02f150hdsc.php

i had a buddy who had one last year, and with upgrades like pulley, exhaust, intake, chip, and headers, and that thing PULLED...and had an incredible whine :devillook

race the lightning. It will smoke ya. that actualyl is a fat truck.

The harley is the fatter, weaker younger brother of hte lightning. :)

The new one would, but not the '99 model. It would get me in the 1/4 after that, it is what it is...a truck

harley davidson can be made very fast...they are in fact the supercharged 5.4l v8...http://www.fordf150.net/specs/02f150hdsc.php

i had a buddy who had one last year, and with upgrades like pulley, exhaust, intake, chip, and headers, and that thing PULLED...and had an incredible whine :devillook
quite correct:

Supercharged and intercooled 5.4-liter Triton™ SOHC V-8 engine rated at 340 hp @ 4500 rpm, 425 lbs.-ft. torque @ 3250 rpm

I guess it just isn't tuned like the lightning or something.

The new one would, but not the '99 model. It would get me in the 1/4 after that, it is what it is...a truck
he would take ya till he hit about 110 then 120, then his brick aerodynamics would hold him back and it would be your change to catch up.

he would take ya till he hit about 110 then 120, then his brick aerodynamics would hold him back and it would be your change to catch up.

The tides turn at about 95... by 115 I was at my friends door with my front bumper... '99 model

Harley Davidsons from 02 on had a larger blower pulley for two pounds less boost.

The tides turn at about 95... by 115 I was at my friends door with my front bumper... '99 model
ahh maybe so, I don't know about them. :)

I know with the newer ones, it is different. I raced trepans 02 or 03. I can't remember which one he has. I think he has 03.

What kind of prelude was it? v-tech?

What kind of prelude was it? v-tech?

The latest model, yes Vtech, CAI, pretty loud

Good kill! I never new that the Harley's were SC'd interesting. I see alot of them around here maybe I'll catch one at a light.

ack....please tell me y'all know it is really V-Tec and are just typing Tech to mock the hondas?

The HD F150's were much heavier than the Lightning, 40 less hp, longer driveshaft, etc...

The HD F150's were much heavier than the Lightning, 40 less hp, longer driveshaft, etc...

About 800 pounds more, steel driveshaft, not aluminum, and 81 pound wheel/tire combo.

About 800 pounds more, steel driveshaft, not aluminum, and 81 pound wheel/tire combo.
pffffttt......like those things really make a difference. It doesn't matter about weight, it only matters about the horsepower numbers right? At least that's what I've been told at the import meets on friday nights. :stickoutt

I think the harleys run 15's stock, not the fastest out there, but go sit inside one. So nice.. so nice.. At MIR a few weeks back there was a HD there and he managed a 13.2 with a pulley swap, still running those 20's :D

The HD F150's were much heavier than the Lightning, 40 less hp, longer driveshaft, etc...

The '02 HD has the same engine as the '99 Lightning supercharger and all. I think it is a little more restricted and makes 10 less hp.

The '02 HD has the same engine as the '99 Lightning supercharger and all. I think it is a little more restricted and makes 10 less hp.
well then the 02HD has same power (maybe still less) than the 99 Lightning, it is still MUCH heavier all teh way around. and then in 01 (I think is the right year) the lightnings got an upgrade in power.

I think the harleys run 15's stock, not the fastest out there, but go sit inside one. So nice.. so nice.. At MIR a few weeks back there was a HD there and he managed a 13.2 with a pulley swap, still running those 20's :D

The supercharged HD runs 14.7 1/4, and 0-60 is 6.3

I have raced both a stock Lightning and a stock HD Truck from a highway roll, have pulled on both, I must say, there was a pretty big difference, with the Lightning, I was pulling on him by being in 4th, with the HD, I can still keep it in 5th and pull on him. Fun races both times!!!

Nice couple of races man! :)

I have raced both a stock Lightning and a stock HD Truck from a highway roll, have pulled on both, I must say, there was a pretty big difference, with the Lightning, I was pulling on him by being in 4th, with the HD, I can still keep it in 5th and pull on him. Fun races both times!!!

Nice couple of races man! :)
what speeds did you race from? and what year lightning did you race? Because I don't see a 330 pulling on a lightning in 4th gear.

what speeds did you race from? and what year lightning did you race? Because I don't see a 330 pulling on a lightning in 4th gear.

Probably 80-90 or so. First run was from 90 in 4th, pulled on him up to 120, not a problem,then we both shut down due to trafic. Second run from 80 I had it in 3rd, maxed it, went to 4th, again same thing. I only pulled about 1.5-2 cl's. Why can't you believe it, those trucks hit aerodynamic walls at those speeds. Plus, they only have 4-speed auto's, think even when you could hear his truck maxxing 3rd I was still pulling, and once he got to 4th he was all done. It wa a '03 Lightning I believe.

Probably 80-90 or so. First run was from 90 in 4th, pulled on him up to 120, not a problem,then we both shut down due to trafic. Second run from 80 I had it in 3rd, maxed it, went to 4th, again same thing. I only pulled about 1.5-2 cl's. Why can't you believe it, those trucks hit aerodynamic walls at those speeds. Plus, they only have 4-speed auto's, think even when you could hear his truck maxxing 3rd I was still pulling, and once he got to 4th he was all done. It wa a '03 Lightning I believe.
well it was hard to believe because witth the '03s they don't really hit walls until about 120. They may be hampered a bit, but they still have plenty of power to push through. But maybe starting at 90 it was hurting him enough to give you the edge. But anywho, good job. :) I know if you raced from lower speeds they would spank ya, (i know from experience).

I see some confusion about the HD and whether they are S/C or not. I believe the first 2000 HD edition is NA, but after that they come S/C'ed. Less HP than same year Lighting, but SC after '01. Just trying to help out. Please resume thread.

I have raced both a stock Lightning and a stock HD Truck from a highway roll, have pulled on both, I must say, there was a pretty big difference, with the Lightning, I was pulling on him by being in 4th, with the HD, I can still keep it in 5th and pull on him. Fun races both times!!!

Nice couple of races man! :)


Must have been pre supercharged HD. The supercharged ones run in the 14's. I can see you pulling but not just keeping it in 5th and flooring it.

Must have been pre supercharged HD. The supercharged ones run in the 14's. I can see you pulling but not just keeping it in 5th and flooring it.

When I was in 5th I was not pulling until we hit about 120 or so. We were even until then. The HD are higher off the ground and heavier then the Lightnings, and not nearly as aerodynamic as the Lightnings. At those speeds, that makes a huge difference [let's not forget that HD's have less hp :) ] Still, very nice trucks though!!!

But anywho, good job. :) I know if you raced from lower speeds they would spank ya, (i know from experience).

that's not even a question, OMG do those things move off the line, 295 rubber in the rear and they can still spin!!! :eek: :help I think I will stick to highway runs with them :D

that's not even a question, OMG do those things move off the line, 295 rubber in the rear and they can still spin!!! :eek: :help I think I will stick to highway runs with them :D
hehe yeah I know. and all it takes for them not to spin is to get better tires and if they really want, get some aftermarket leaf springs, and they can floor it from a stop and not spin. I didn't get to have hte pleasure to have a chance at winning by racing from highways. I raced trepans from a dig and twice from 40mph or so to about 80-90 all 3x. (we were in Fairfax, and cops are everywhere around there, so we didn't want to risk it too much).

that's not even a question, OMG do those things move off the line, 295 rubber in the rear and they can still spin!!! :eek: :help I think I will stick to highway runs with them :D

Stock is 295/40/18. I have 295/40/20 and can break traction at 40. My next tires will be 305/40/20s, because I can't get a bigger tire. What I really want is some 345s.... :devillook

hehe yeah I know. and all it takes for them not to spin is to get better tires and if they really want, get some aftermarket leaf springs, and they can floor it from a stop and not spin. I didn't get to have hte pleasure to have a chance at winning by racing from highways. I raced trepans from a dig and twice from 40mph or so to about 80-90 all 3x. (we were in Fairfax, and cops are everywhere around there, so we didn't want to risk it too much).

On brand new tires you can launch without spinning. After a little while the tires will lose their stickyness.

Stock is 295/40/18. I have 295/40/20 and can break traction at 40. My next tires will be 305/40/20s, because I can't get a bigger tire. What I really want is some 345s.... :devillook

Your truck is one crazy ride man!!!! Break tracion at 40??? What are you running? It must be one sick turck :buttrock

Stock is 295/40/18. I have 295/40/20 and can break traction at 40. My next tires will be 305/40/20s, because I can't get a bigger tire. What I really want is some 345s.... :devillook
345s or ban

Your truck is one crazy ride man!!!! Break tracion at 40??? What are you running? It must be one sick turck :buttrock
H&K, are you still stock? Mihalis, I think that is most lightnings bone stock.

I know I wanna run Trepans again, because he added like 6lbs of boost and got it dyno tuned. Now i know I will really get spanked.

I know I wanna run Trepans again, because he added like 6lbs of boost and got it dyno tuned. Now i know I will really get spanked.
You got that right ;)

As far as traction, now that I'm putting 523lbs of torque down, there just isn't any traction until 2nd gear. I'm probably putting down atleast 400lbs by 2000rpm and they have a 2400rpm stall. I don't care what tires you put on, you're gonna spin them if you get on the gas. I can hammer it from a stoplight and get the speedo up to around 60mph and the tires don't stop screaming until I'm actually moving at 35mph. :help Of course the warm weather thats approaching will put a stop to that, but oh well :D

You got that right ;)

As far as traction, now that I'm putting 523lbs of torque down, there just isn't any traction until 2nd gear. I'm probably putting down atleast 400lbs by 2000rpm and they have a 2400rpm stall. I don't care what tires you put on, you're gonna spin them if you get on the gas. I can hammer it from a stoplight and get the speedo up to around 60mph and the tires don't stop screaming until I'm actually moving at 35mph. :help Of course the warm weather thats approaching will put a stop to that, but oh well :D
sell that crappy white slushbox you got and buy some leaf springs. Damn.

sell that crappy white slushbox you got and buy some leaf springs. Damn.
I am trying to sell it actually, and what good will leafsprings do me?

I am trying to sell it actually, and what good will leafsprings do me?
won't it help you out some? Or buy some damn better tires. If you cna't get traction that is a problem with tires and/or suspension.

won't it help you out some? Or buy some damn better tires. If you cna't get traction that is a problem with tires and/or suspension.
The problem is inherent to leaf spring style suspension, but the solution is usually traction bars to prevent axle wrap and wheel hop. I'll probably weld myself up a set pretty soon.

The problem is inherent to leaf spring style suspension, but the solution is usually traction bars to prevent axle wrap and wheel hop. I'll probably weld myself up a set pretty soon.
well then get on it boy.

H&K, are you still stock? Mihalis, I think that is most lightnings bone stock.

I know I wanna run Trepans again, because he added like 6lbs of boost and got it dyno tuned. Now i know I will really get spanked.

I have a few induction mods. My pulley is in a box still :help

Will have around 400 hp when I get everything installed. I hope to have money for a built block by the end of the summer.

I have a few induction mods. My pulley is in a box still :help

Will have around 400 hp when I get everything installed. I hope to have money for a built block by the end of the summer.
please tell me your talking about 400whp? :) What are the lightnings stock (01+....that is year they upgraded right?) 390crank hp? with like 360whp stock?

The problem is inherent to leaf spring style suspension, but the solution is usually traction bars to prevent axle wrap and wheel hop. I'll probably weld myself up a set pretty soon.

I've been thinking long and hard about a four link, once I get my brothers Jeep fixed and can afford even a chip to go with the mods I already have.

The '02 HD has the same engine as the '99 Lightning supercharger and all. I think it is a little more restricted and makes 10 less hp.


Try 40 less hp, less psi/boost, and close to 1000 lbs heavier than the Lightning...

please tell me your talking about 400whp? :) What are the lightnings stock (01+....that is year they upgraded right?) 390crank hp? with like 360whp stock?

420 actual crank hp, about 350-360 at the wheels. You got FAR better than average results with a 6 pound pulley on an Eaton.

in the end.... it's still a big, ugly, bad-handling TRUCK!!! may be good in straightaway accel... go buy an old camaro or cuda or some other muscle car with a big engine... same straight line accel and bad handling but 10x better styling

Uh, maybe the heavy, long crew cab handles poorly, but throw some sways, brakes and shocks on a Lightning and it will kick some ass. There are quite a few dedicated Lightning Road racers and auto X junkies that have shown the tailgate to an E46 M3. Stock, with the pos tires, high ride height and heavy body roll, the Lightning recorded .88g for one magazine.

ETA: Of course a BMW handles better, but you'll get passed in the straights and NEVER be able to catch up in the corners.

in the end.... it's still a big, ugly, bad-handling TRUCK!!! may be good in straightaway accel... go buy an old camaro or cuda or some other muscle car with a big engine... same straight line accel and bad handling but 10x better styling
obviously you are clueless about the lightnings. Read the post below yours and above mine. :)

yeah i should have given the lightning the exception... it is a sports car with the styling of a truck though... honest question... do lightnings have any actual truck capabilities?? i.e. towing capabilities... any off-road ability at all?

yeah i should have given the lightning the exception... it is a sports car with the styling of a truck though... honest question... do lightnings have any actual truck capabilities?? i.e. towing capabilities... any off-road ability at all?
umm...they have a bed :D But I think they can tow no problem, actually I think people do it all the time. But off-road. Most likely not. Normally people put aggressive street tires on there. So it would get nothing in the dirt. Also people try to lower it, which really doesn't help it. But I have seen people jack up 2wd F-150's and take them mud slinging and not get stuck. But they normally have big ol' 36" tires and huge suspension and what not.

Dont you love it when you type a three paragraph post and hit send and its been timed out.

Ya, my dad has a 03' HD "lightning" crew cab. Its an aerodynamic brick on the highway. On I-75, I tailed an M3/4 to ~138 before letting off. He cornered at ~150 and I thought I was going to die. :beer

I recorded 0-60 in 6.2s and a 1/4 of 14.73 with my gtech. It was a flat level stretch and I trust the numbers. It's my dad's work truck, he runs a plumbing company and does quite a bit of contracting and land development. Its always loaded down with supplies. It is no handling machine but definitly a regardable comprimise b/w work and play.

It sounds generic, but I had to retype it all. Blah.

EDIT: Its really fun to tool around in since I dont have a car. :redspot

i was under the impression that they couldn't tow worth a rat's posterior... but since they can... then i guess ford has an amazing machine to their name... i know i've seen one around my house that was dropped, rims, exhaust, bright yellow... don't know any of the engine if he had any mods... but i thought it looked fairly nice... which from me isn't a big deal but is quite an accomplishment because i am EXTREMELY biased towards anything that's not american! i think that american cars in general really arent anything to even mention... especially trucks! but i guess i have a new found respect for at least the lightning... sorry about the mixup before... lightning is the exception to the ugly, big, bad-handling block driving down the road

i was under the impression that they couldn't tow worth a rat's posterior... but since they can... then i guess ford has an amazing machine to their name... i know i've seen one around my house that was dropped, rims, exhaust, bright yellow... don't know any of the engine if he had any mods... but i thought it looked fairly nice... which from me isn't a big deal but is quite an accomplishment because i am EXTREMELY biased towards anything that's not american! i think that american cars in general really arent anything to even mention... especially trucks! but i guess i have a new found respect for at least the lightning... sorry about the mixup before... lightning is the exception to the ugly, big, bad-handling block driving down the road
lol. tis all good. I am not sure, but I believe it has towing capabilities. I know it has plenty of torque, so I don't see why it can't tow. Hehe, but yeah, Lightning is one of hte few machines I respect in the for dline up. That, Cobra & Saleen mustangs. {sarcasm}Yep, ford has really did alot for me. {/sarcasm} But the lightning is still a block driving down the road, just handles better than most. But at speed it has the aero dynamics of a brick wall. :)

Try 40 less hp, less psi/boost, and close to 1000 lbs heavier than the Lightning...


You are joking right? The '02 HD got the same engine as the '99 model Lightning. 5.4 supercharged 340hp and 425 torque and runs a respectable 14.7 1/4. The most recent Lightning has the hp bump. But the '99 Lightning and the '02 Hd have virtually the same engine. The Lightning has about 10 more hp.

yeah i should have given the lightning the exception... it is a sports car with the styling of a truck though... honest question... do lightnings have any actual truck capabilities?? i.e. towing capabilities... any off-road ability at all?

Not very good offroad, limited mainly by tires and its low height. Payload capacity is 1500 pounds and its rated to tow 5000.

Like H&K stated......comes standard with a tow package and can pull 5,000lbs.

My truck's payload is rated at 1350lbs......normal 1/2 ton payload there.

The 4R100 trannies are out of the powerstroke diesel series trucks and have external cooling system. Very stout boxes.

This truck isn't an SRT-10 Ram...which is not recommended to tow a shopping cart.....Lightnings are an actually truck. I wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't functional .

Like H&K stated......comes standard with a tow package and can pull 5,000lbs.

My truck's payload is rated at 1350lbs......normal 1/2 ton payload there.

The 4R100 trannies are out of the powerstroke diesel series trucks and have external cooling system. Very stout boxes.

This truck isn't an SRT-10 Ram...which is not recommended to tow a shopping cart.....Lightnings are an actually truck. I wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't functional .
yeah don't some people, like tow their track/race car to the tracks with a lightning. :)

I've been thinking long and hard about a four link, once I get my brothers Jeep fixed and can afford even a chip to go with the mods I already have.
I hear ya man, but if I had the money for a 4 link I would probably buy something else.. like half a built block :D My problem is I'm not a hardcore dragstrip dude that lives his life 1/4 mile at a time. I want better traction sure, but a decent 4link is $$$$!

You are joking right? The '02 HD got the same engine as the '99 model Lightning. 5.4 supercharged 340hp and 425 torque and runs a respectable 14.7 1/4. The most recent Lightning has the hp bump. But the '99 Lightning and the '02 Hd have virtually the same engine. The Lightning has about 10 more hp.
The '99 Lightning has 360hp and 440lbs of torque. Just like the 00, 01, and 02. The 03 and 04 make 380/440.

I hear ya man, but if I had the money for a 4 link I would probably buy something else.. like half a built block :D My problem is I'm not a hardcore dragstrip dude that lives his life 1/4 mile at a time. I want better traction sure, but a decent 4link is $$$$!
WHAT? YOU DON"T LIVE 1/4 at a TIME???? I MEAN COME ON, that was quoted by the greatest action star who ever lived, who starred in the greatest movie of all time!!!!! I mean it doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning man come on. :D


Hey tom, did you get my pm about a meet?

yeah i should have given the lightning the exception... it is a sports car with the styling of a truck though... honest question... do lightnings have any actual truck capabilities?? i.e. towing capabilities... any off-road ability at all?
The 03 and 04 have a bed capacity of 1350lbs and a towing cap of 5000lbs. I think the earlier models do 800lbs in the bed and 5000lbs towing. There are a few pics in the NLOC galleries of like 9 hooters girls standing in the bed of an L. And those Hooters gives don't weigh 100lbs :D Even if they did thats nearly 1000lbs right there, but honestly more like 1300lbs :lol

Honestly, I think they could tow much more. Its the same frame as a normal f150 which was rated for 9800lbs towing in that same year. However I would make sure you're not running a race tune when you do decide to tow or tip in under heavy load could be bad.

WHAT? YOU DON"T LIVE 1/4 at a TIME???? I MEAN COME ON, that was quoted by the greatest action star who ever lived, who starred in the greatest movie of all time!!!!! I mean it doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning man come on. :D


Hey tom, did you get my pm about a meet?

Hey, like I said: I went to MIR and ran the 1/4 for my first time and it was a rush. I had a great time. But I know my trucks limits, and I'm not going to spend grand after grand trying to get the lowest time out there. I'll do some more work and get my 11.99 and call it good :D

Yeah I got your PM. I think my buddy is turning 21 that night but let me double check.

Hey, like I said: I went to MIR and ran the 1/4 for my first time and it was a rush. I had a great time. But I know my trucks limits, and I'm not going to spend grand after grand trying to get the lowest time out there. I'll do some more work and get my 11.99 and call it good :D

Yeah I got your PM. I think my buddy is turning 21 that night but let me double check.
ahh ok, becuase I don't think I'm going to go to ft. knox, so I may try & go to that meet.

The '99 Lightning has 360hp and 440lbs of torque. Just like the 00, 01, and 02. The 03 and 04 make 380/440.

The bump was in '01 and I hate to nit pick, but the Lightning weighed in at 4670 curb wieght and the HD weighed in at 4644 curb wieght. The '99 Lightning did 0-60 in 5.9 and a 1/4 in 14.5. The HD did 0-60 in 6.3 and 1/4 in 14.7. The '01 Lightning did a 5.6 0-60 and a 13.9 to 14.1 in the 1/4. In addition to engine modifications, the previous truck's 3.55 rear axle ratio was shortened up to 3.73 for 2001, which helped shave almost half a sceond off of SVT's "OFFICIAL" 0-60 of 6.2 in '99.

4644lbs. is not the correct weight for an HD (only found a handful of pages that referred to that being the curb weight of a S/C HD).

4644lbs the standard curb weight for a base model Supercrew. The non-SC HD model ('00 or '01) was 4800lbs.

The interior and wheels adds on weight...not to mention the eaton, aftercooler, and fluid. If you park both trucks together, it's amzing that the HD would only weight a couple of hundre pounds heavier. It shares just about everything from the lightning, with the addtion to a longer cab (more frame, too), 2 extra doors, rear seats,rear-exiting exhaust, and bigger wheels.

The only thing I can see offsetting this for the L is the step-side bed. It might be a little heavier than the standard fleetside, but nothing that substantial.

I swear that an HD looks like it should be atleast 4,900-5,000lbs. The interior is nice as heck, though. Didn't dig the harley plaques everywhere, though.

4644lbs. is not the correct weight for an HD (only found a handful of pages that referred to that being the curb weight of a S/C HD).

4644lbs the standard curb weight for a base model Supercrew. The non-SC HD model ('00 or '01) was 4800lbs.

The interior and wheels adds on weight...not to mention the eaton, aftercooler, and fluid. If you park both trucks together, it's amzing that the HD would only weight a couple of hundre pounds heavier. It shares just about everything from the lightning, with the addtion to a longer cab (more frame, too), 2 extra doors, rear seats,rear-exiting exhaust, and bigger wheels.

The only thing I can see offsetting this for the L is the step-side bed. It might be a little heavier than the standard fleetside, but nothing that substantial.

I swear that an HD looks like it should be atleast 4,900-5,000lbs. The interior is nice as heck, though. Didn't dig the harley plaques everywhere, though.


Got it from Ford dealership specs and prices for the HD and the Lighning.

The bump was in '01 and I hate to nit pick, but the Lightning weighed in at 4670 curb wieght and the HD weighed in at 4644 curb wieght. The '99 Lightning did 0-60 in 5.9 and a 1/4 in 14.5. The HD did 0-60 in 6.3 and 1/4 in 14.7. The '01 Lightning did a 5.6 0-60 and a 13.9 to 14.1 in the 1/4. In addition to engine modifications, the previous truck's 3.55 rear axle ratio was shortened up to 3.73 for 2001, which helped shave almost half a sceond off of SVT's "OFFICIAL" 0-60 of 6.2 in '99.

Ah you're right. That stupid suspension change in 03 is what always makes me think all the changes occured in 03 :D

Got it from Ford dealership specs and prices for the HD and the Lighning.

You got this info. from a dealership? So you remember each curb weight, or do you have a link, because I am just not buying that an HD is actually lighter than an L. A HD weighs the same as a base model (4.6L) Supercrew?

Just got done searching through nhtoc.com and their owners are saying that they weigh around 5100lbs ('02-'03). That's about how much I figured it would be.

These were actual weights recorded by the owners (without driver).....so it's "straight from the horse's mouth"

You got this info. from a dealership? So you remember each curb weight, or do you have a link, because I am just not buying that an HD is actually lighter than an L. A HD weighs the same as a base model (4.6L) Supercrew?


You don't have to ;) I was going to buy one for my dad ( '99 used) and they tried to sell me on the HD '02

Just got done searching through nhtoc.com and their owners are saying that they weigh around 5100lbs. That's about how much I figured it would be.

These were actual weights recorded by the owners (without driver).....so it's "straight from the horse's mouth"

and Ford isn't?

and Ford isn't?

Gee...mazda "claimed" 250 hp out of the RX-8.......

Gee...mazda "claimed" 250 hp out of the RX-8.......

Gee, people claim that they run mid 13's in a car with 160hp and a fart can.... what is your point?

Gee, people claim that they run mid 13's in a car with 160hp and a fart can.... what is your point? Ehh....

Point is......Manufacturer's data goes through alot of hands before it get's down to the dealerships. Somewhere along the way something can be left out, inserted, or misinterpreted. Like a modern day bible.

Sounds like someone quoted you the base weight of a supercrew, because there is no way on this green earth that an HD is the same weight as a 4.6L Supercrew. What...5.4L, blower, aftercooler, coolant, and fancy seats add no weight?

Believe what you want....I will trust the actual owners of the HD's.

.................and they tried to sell me on the HD '02

Looks like they were trying to sell you a little something else, too. ;)

Trust what you want, people will tell you anything...by the way, who the #$% weighs their car and why? Unless you are making it track ready

Trust what you want, people will tell you anything...by the way, who the #$% weighs their car and why? Unless you are making it track ready

Who the %$%^ Mods their cars? Who goes to the dragstrip? Who dyno's thier car? If you have access to a rolling scale, it takes about 30 seconds.

And BTW, since you say "People will tell you anthing..", I figured I would "nit-pick" your post from earlier.

The HD, '99, and whatever Lightning you were talking about, ALL have the same engine...same blower. Basically, all 5.4L engines are the same except for ones manufactured after 11/02, when the cyl. heads were revised with more threads for the sparkplugs.

The HD isn't even running the same induction as the '99. The revision in '01 brought about much more than you think including a newly designed intake manifold (which doesn't account for anything), airpassage for the airbox, 80mm MAF, redesigned aftercooler, and probably a few things I am leaving out.

A little Gee-whiz:The blower has always been the same, but the bolt pattern changed to accomadate the new manifold in '01.

The HD's are Lightning engines of the same year with a larger blower pulley that, in effect, lowers the boost to 6psi (from 8-8.5 psi of the L's). That's why the power output numbers match a '99 L.

Way to go! It is not that big of a deal. I was making the point that the '99 Lightning and the '02 HD make almost the same output (20hp difference). The argument was that the HD was a slow 15 sec truck when in fact it ran a 14.7 compared to the 14.5 of the '99 L. In '01 the L got the bump in power up to 380hp and dropped down to a 13.9-14.1 1/4 mi. No other point. Great truck. I am not arguing over how it got the power...if it had 3 blowers and only made 340hp then that is their problem. I was just saying that it was not far off from the '99 L. '01 L and up different story.

Cool. :beer

cool :cool

Hey 3rdone you still in San Antonio? You should hang out with us at the GTG lots of nice e36 and e46 M3s and GTIs show up and of course the hardcore e30s like my bro and I.No ricers allowed. :D

I moved to houston :rolleyes

Trust what you want, people will tell you anything...by the way, who the #$% weighs their car and why? Unless you are making it track ready
Anyone who takes their own trash to the dump has an idea of what it weighs.

The supercrew HD weighs only 5100 pounds? I thought it weighed 54000-5500 and the extended cab HD weighed around 5100 or so. The Lightning weighs 4700 or so, BTW.

Anyone who takes their own trash to the dump has an idea of what it weighs.
yeah, it's amazing what people learn when your work requires you to take crap to the scrap yard. :rolleyes