I was crusing on Beltway 8 in Houston (I moved) and this Porsche and this Type S come flying by me. I kept my pace at 65 and ignored it. The Porsche slowed down too, and stayed about a car in front. The Type S kept going. We go over the next bridge and the Type S is now crusing at 65. By this time The 911 and I had pushed up to 80 without knowing it. The 911 punches it and I do the same...911 is gone.

I do a little sprited dirving with the Type S and low and behold we get off on the same exit. We are a few cars back at the light off the ramp and we are side by side. The light turns green and he takes off rather harsh, so I figure what the hell. My lane is moving very slowly so I get behind him and we manuever through the remaining cars and then he punches it. I move over to the next lane and punch it as well. I am in 2nd and quickly shift to 3rd I pull very hard. I shift to 4th and keep pulling :eek: In the end I shut it down aroung 125 with him about 3-4 cars back :buttrock sceaming Holy S@#$%

He switches 3 lanes and makes a right at the next light and takes off like a bat out of hell. I am in shock. I thought he would rip me a new one. I guess I am through with magazine racing. The car does feel a lot stronger now than it did in SA...go figure. It was the newer Type S as well...the one with the 6sp. Go ahead and let the doubting begin, because if I hadn't seen it I wouldn't believe it either. :redspot I was thinking about selling it. I may rethink that now.

a well driven Type-S 6spd will hit low 14's with a 6 spd.. not the case unfortunately with our 328's. :(

The auto's are around 14.7 if you can launch it perfect.. (stock)... that is getting close/even to what the 328 with a 5spd does. In the 03 model year, they made auto's as well as 6spds.

I'm not doubting you.. I'm just saying. :)

Nice kill. :) Not to say I believe any 911 with an S add on would lose to a 328 even with a ratarded monkey driving.

theres this fool lives next to my house. he has a black cl type s and he revs his car pretty much everytime he sees me. thinks his car is the fastest on the road.. i'm just holding my breath until i get the dinan chip and some bolt ons... then i'll spank his ass and let him know he just got his ass kicked by a 12 year old car. :D

Nice kill. :) Not to say I believe any 911 with an S add on would lose to a 328 even with a ratarded monkey driving.
he didn't say he beat the 911. He said he got smoked by the 911, and then was caught up with the CL type S and raced him. :)

a well driven Type-S 6spd will hit low 14's with a 6 spd.. not the case unfortunately with our 328's. :(

The auto's are around 14.7 if you can launch it perfect.. (stock)... that is getting close/even to what the 328 with a 5spd does. In the 03 model year, they made auto's as well as 6spds.

I'm not doubting you.. I'm just saying. :)


328 will run well with the older S, but not the newer on assuming both drivers are equally well.

328 will run well with the older S, but not the newer on assuming both drivers are equally well.

Of course you have to take in that this was well over a 1/4. I was at 125 by the time I let off. Maybe it was an auto. From what I have heard, they are no faster than a 330. I caught up around 80 and then started to pull away. Honda's (Acura) typically don't have the pull up top anyway...torque. Maybe it was the worst driver in America.

Maybe he sucked at driving but a kills a kill. Good job man.

I know what veryone thinks they run, but in my experience most cars don't run what they are supposed to. Some are a little quicker some a little slower. I have walked away from the older Type S as well. The new one I thought would be a bit more challenging. It was quick, just not quick enough. Maybe he would have had me at the track in 1/4, but a topend run proved otherwise

I know what veryone thinks they run, but in my experience most cars don't run what they are supposed to. Some are a little quicker some a little slower. I have walked away from the older Type S as well. The new one I thought would be a bit more challenging. It was quick, just not quick enough. Maybe he would have had me at the track in 1/4, but a topend run proved otherwiseI had the last generation TL-Type S. When I first started coming to this forum I didn't realize the 328i's are closer in performance to the 330i's than the 325's.

In the TL-S I never had any problems with a 325, in fact, I'd try to smoke them whenever i had the chance and there were quite a few.

I've more than once while driving the TL-S ran my wife while she's driving the G35coupe, I might get the jump but she'd always walk me in the end. Not by much but always the same results.

It's an accepted fact on the Infiniti boards that a G35/330i matchup is a driver's race despite the big diff in HP. As a sidenote they're (myself included) not too happy about BMW raising the bar with the new E90.

So yeah, in a round-about way, you walking a Type-S makes sense to me.

A lot of people, those on this board included, don't believe a 328is will run that good. I have had more encounters than I should, and have lost and won. The ones I have lost aren't as bad as 1/4 mi times might indicate I should lose by. If you run a car in a hwy run things are a lot different. I held off a Mustang GT to 127 (cutoff), but in the 1/4 I would lose. When you are racing in a BMW, the 1/4 mi is where everything begins. It is an autobahn car, not 1/4 mi car. That is why 1/4 times mean squat to me.

Did I get a good launch, what kind of tires to run, weight reduction, 60ft, etc etc...

I like to really open them up and see what they are made of...the 1/4 doesn't do anything for me. I have pulled away from a lot of cars that have better 1/4 times. Who is faster me or them? It is all in fun anyway. Everyone is different. :)

I had the last generation TL-Type S. When I first started coming to this forum I didn't realize the 328i's are closer in performance to the 330i's than the 325's.

In the TL-S I never had any problems with a 325, in fact, I'd try to smoke them whenever i had the chance and there were quite a few.

I've more than once while driving the TL-S ran my wife while she's driving the G35coupe, I might get the jump but she'd always walk me in the end. Not by much but always the same results.

It's an accepted fact on the Infiniti boards that a G35/330i matchup is a driver's race despite the big diff in HP. As a sidenote they're (myself included) not too happy about BMW raising the bar with the new E90.

So yeah, in a round-about way, you walking a Type-S makes sense to me.

328 is closer performance to the 330 because it was being replaced by the 330, similarly, the 323 was replaced by the 325.

A lot of people, those on this board included, don't believe a 328is will run that good. I have had more encounters than I should, and have lost and won. The ones I have lost aren't as bad as 1/4 mi times might indicate I should lose by. If you run a car in a hwy run things are a lot different. I held off a Mustang GT to 127 (cutoff), but in the 1/4 I would lose. When you are racing in a BMW, the 1/4 mi is where everything begins. It is an autobahn car, not 1/4 mi car. That is why 1/4 times mean squat to me.

Did I get a good launch, what kind of tires to run, weight reduction, 60ft, etc etc...

I like to really open them up and see what they are made of...the 1/4 doesn't do anything for me. I have pulled away from a lot of cars that have better 1/4 times. Who is faster me or them? It is all in fun anyway. Everyone is different. :)


The problem is people tend to stop racing once they hit the 1/4 mile distance/speed, becuase it's usually around 90-100mph and people don't want to risk getting nab by cops above 100mph.

The problem is people tend to stop racing once they hit the 1/4 mile distance/speed, becuase it's usually around 90-100mph and people don't want to risk getting nab by cops above 100mph.

go to Supraforums.com whole different ballgame over there. For that matter, most of the races here are freeway runs :dunno

The problem is people tend to stop racing once they hit the 1/4 mile distance/speed, becuase it's usually around 90-100mph and people don't want to risk getting nab by cops above 100mph.

I hit cruise control at 95mph from San Antonio to Houston...a 2hr trip. That is completly normal on IH10 in Texas. You might get passed doing THAT. ;)

14.7 is obtainable with a lightly modded 328is AT. Modded 328is will hit mid to low 14's. The CL's are pigs on off the line... catch them on the freeway and modded ones can move. My cousin as a modded CL-type S Comptech header/Exhaust/Icebox. He whooped my ass...

a well driven Type-S 6spd will hit low 14's with a 6 spd.. not the case unfortunately with our 328's. :(

The auto's are around 14.7 if you can launch it perfect.. (stock)... that is getting close/even to what the 328 with a 5spd does. In the 03 model year, they made auto's as well as 6spds.

I'm not doubting you.. I'm just saying. :)

Exactly, if it was a 6spd with a driver you wouldn't have a shot in hell. Maybe an E36 M3 would be a good race. If it was an auto I could see it being a good race but 3-4 CL seems a bit extreme, CL-S have good highway topend. I ran my dad's 01 auto against my M3 and it was about 3 cars back.

328 will run well with the older S, but not the newer on assuming both drivers are equally well.

:confused There is no old S or new S all the CL and TL type S cars are 260 hp 3.2L SOHC VTEC. The only difference is the 03 CL had a 6spd option where as the 01-02 CL-S only had 5spd auto as did all TL Type-S. The new TL has a 6spd option as well but there is no longer a Type-S designation.

I have a funny story from a couple years back that I had to post after reading this. My good friend used to have a 98 M3 4-door Auto and I had an 02 TL Type S. Anyway, one night we got into an argument over which car was faster. My friend was one of those anti-acura guys, so he was talking a lot of crap about my overpriced Honda, ect. Anyway, I told him to put his money where his mouth is. So we raced eachother for $100 that same night of the argument. So 4 of us (each of us took one passenger to witness) went out and settled the argument. From 0-50 mph, we were dead even, but then after 50, I started walking him all the way to 110 mph. I put the whole length of the TL and maybe another car length on him. Needless to say, I got $100 richer, and he ended up selling his M3 in disgust apprx. 3 weeks later. :D

Unless you 328 is faster than an M3 auto, I think you beat the driver and not the car. The Type S has a very strong 3rd gear from 70-110. The highway is where it shines. But a kill is a kill.

I have a funny story from a couple years back that I had to post after reading this. My good friend used to have a 98 M3 4-door Auto and I had an 02 TL Type S. Anyway, one night we got into an argument over which car was faster. My friend was one of those anti-acura guys, so he was talking a lot of crap about my overpriced Honda, ect. Anyway, I told him to put his money where his mouth is. So we raced eachother for $100 that same night of the argument. So 4 of us (each of us took one passenger to witness) went out and settled the argument. From 0-50 mph, we were dead even, but then after 50, I started walking him all the way to 110 mph. I put the whole length of the TL and maybe another car length on him. Needless to say, I got $100 richer, and he ended up selling his M3 in disgust apprx. 3 weeks later. :D

Unless you 328 is faster than an M3 auto, I think you beat the driver and not the car. The Type S has a very strong 3rd gear from 70-110. The highway is where it shines. But a kill is a kill.

For arguments sake, if it was an auto, there is not much he can do besides floor it. In that case I put 4 cars on it without blinking. I was the one that had the biggest chance of screwing up. So yeah I am definately faster than an auto S. If it was a stick then maybe he would make up 4 cars. I don't see it being any faster than an stang GT, and held several of those off on HWY runs.

I pulled on an auto M3 in my 328is and it was bone stock so I don't find it hard to believe. After all every driver has different racing experience. Good Kill. :buttrock

In another related article the times of this car were justified because the actual use of torque is very peaky and the 260 hp isn't available until 6100rpms! On top of all that it wieghs over 3500lbs!!!

While front-wheel drive will never be the optimum drive configuration for a performance car, the CL Type-S with the six-speed does its best to compensate. It's certainly fast enough to humble most sport coupes. During instrumented testing, our test car went from 0 to 60 mph in 6.4 seconds and cleared the quarter-mile in 15.0 seconds at 95.2 mph.

This is faster than the automatic-equipped CL, but not by as much as we would have thought. An automatic-equipped CL Type-S we tested in 2001 did 0-to-60 in 6.7 seconds and the quarter in 15.0 seconds at 95.8 mph. It's possible that testing conditions were a factor for the '03 car; we don't correct our numbers for weather, and we were dealing with a 4-mph head wind at the time of the test. For reference, a manual-transmission '01 BMW 330Ci we tested did 0-to-60 in 5.9 seconds and the quarter in 14.5 seconds at 96.6 mph. EDMUNDS.COM

Doesn't sound that fast to me??

In the *real* world at the track, the Type S 6-speeds get low-mid 14s at the track, while the autos do 14.6-14.9. The horsepower doesn't peak till late, but it acheives its peak torque from 3500-5500 rpms (very flat on the dyno).

Comptech headers, icebox intake, exhaust puts it at over 300hp at the crank.

One of my friends has a E46 328ci auto (don't know the engine difference from the E36). Needless to say, one time we were messing around with one another (not exactly racing) on the parkway with my 04 TL, and I would pull on him HARD whenever we gunned it next to one another. It was definitely ALOT slower than my TL.

Are you a manual or auto?

In the *real* world at the track, the Type S 6-speeds get low-mid 14s at the track, while the autos do 14.6-14.9. The horsepower doesn't peak till late, but it acheives its peak torque from 3500-5500 rpms (very flat on the dyno).

Comptech headers, icebox intake, exhaust puts it at over 300hp at the crank.

One of my friends has a E46 328ci auto (don't know the engine difference from the E36). Needless to say, one time we were messing around with one another (not exactly racing) on the parkway with my 04 TL, and I would pull on him HARD whenever we gunned it next to one another. It was definitely ALOT slower than my TL.

Are you a manual or auto?

I have a manual 328is...a lot quicker than a auto E46 328...heavier. Well in the *real* world here in Houston this Cl got it handed to it. You have to have some baseline to go from. It is funny how the 330ci was right on par with real world but somehow the Cl in the *real* world would be almost a sec faster...hmmm???

Car and Driver got the CL-S 6-speed to 60 in 5.8 seconds. You quoted the worst mag time in "adverse weather conditions." Doesn't the moderator on these forums have a CL Type S? Ask him.

Car and Driver got the CL-S 6-speed to 60 in 5.8 seconds. You quoted the worst mag time in "adverse weather conditions." Doesn't the moderator on these forums have a CL Type S? Ask him.

That's great. This Cl got dusted so the 5.8, 0-60...eehh. The conditions on beltway 8 access rd were Great!!!! He got whooped. It was stock. We went at it and the rest is history. I'll even spot you the fact that maybe he was auto. It is a 3500lb car for Christ sakes! It hits peak hp at 6100 rpms, way late in the game for a car that size. And as far as torque I have neer known a Honda that has a flat torque curve...I could be wrong. If it was a stick, maybe he would have made up the 4 cars I had on him..I don't know. I have raced enough previous model CLs and now the '03 CL and I am convinced its bark is much worst than its bite.

1/4 miles times are a good metric. The ET is the quickness, and relates to driver skill. The trap speed deals with the "how fast is it" part. For those folks that are afraid to launch (or suck at it) and always run from a roll, the trap speed is a good indicator of which car is "faster"....

That being said, I personally got the wife's CL-S 6 spd to a 14.11 at 95.9 mph, bone stock, with about 1007 miles on it, on a hot and humid day at Atco.

My ZHP ran a 14.008 at 97.5 mph at the same track on a much cooler day.

As I've stated over and over again, running from a roll at highway speeds may be fun, but that's all it's good for. It means absolutely nothing when it comes to making comparisons or measurements of any kind, whatsoever. Too many factors come into the equation.

And if the car in question is an auto, from a roll? Waste of time, if for anything other than having a good time. But if you intend to use the experience to say "my car is faster than (insert make and model here)" = waste of time, and 100% inaccurate...

1/4 miles times are a good metric. The ET is the quickness, and relates to driver skill. The trap speed deals with the "how fast is it" part. For those folks that are afraid to launch (or suck at it) and always run from a roll, the trap speed is a good indicator of which car is "faster"....

That being said, I personally got the wife's CL-S 6 spd to a 14.11 at 95.9 mph, bone stock, with about 1007 miles on it, on a hot and humid day at Atco.

My ZHP ran a 14.008 at 97.5 mph at the same track on a much cooler day.

As I've stated over and over again, running from a roll at highway speeds may be fun, but that's all it's good for. It means absolutely nothing when it comes to making comparisons or measurements of any kind, whatsoever. Too many factors come into the equation.

And if the car in question is an auto, from a roll? Waste of time, if for anything other than having a good time. But if you intend to use the experience to say "my car is faster than (insert make and model here)" = waste of time, and 100% inaccurate...


You are a moderator and I guess a lot of people know you on this board, so what I say and have experienced is not going to matter much to most. You must have one freakish CL. Everything I have read has stated that the CL is not quite as quick as the 330ci let alone the ZHP. We were in 2nd gear when we went at it, so I missed out on the launch. I am glad you got a 14.1 in a CL, but I have yet to see one that fast (stock) and doubt I ever will. On top of that you said on a hot humid day? So in optimal conditions maybe 13's? Send over some video of that

You are a moderator and I guess a lot of people know you on this board, so what I say and have experienced is not going to matter much to most. You must have one freakish CL. Everything I have read has stated that the CL is not quite as quick as the 330ci let alone the ZHP. We were in 2nd gear when we went at it, so I missed out on the launch. I am glad you got a 14.1 in a CL, but I have yet to see one that fast (stock) and doubt I ever will. On top of that you said on a hot humid day? So in optimal conditions maybe 13's? Send over some video of that
lol yeah, Dave, is what you may call an "experienced driver". If you are trying to find times of what cars will do with average drivers, do not look at his times. If you want to find times of what cars will do with great drivers, look towards his direction. :)

Dave is not the only one that can drive. People said 14.6 in a stock 328is at 3200ft was not possible...did it. No weight reduction or messing with tires. Lined up and ran it. It was not an attack, it is just stating what you just said...not typical for that car. I hate to mag race but just about every articlE I have read has that car at a high 14 best. Car and driver even said don't race a 330 for pink slips. So why would I beleive that car is a low, low 14 sec car? If he did it fine. That is one CL.

i was always under the impression that racing from a roll indicates who has more horsepower since there is no launch involved, which is what many people screw up on. and racing from a roll involves the same gearing that racing from a stop does, but i understand its more "manly" to line up and go from a dig ;)

1/4 miles times are a good metric. The ET is the quickness, and relates to driver skill. The trap speed deals with the "how fast is it" part. For those folks that are afraid to launch (or suck at it) and always run from a roll, the trap speed is a good indicator of which car is "faster"....

That being said, I personally got the wife's CL-S 6 spd to a 14.11 at 95.9 mph, bone stock, with about 1007 miles on it, on a hot and humid day at Atco.

My ZHP ran a 14.008 at 97.5 mph at the same track on a much cooler day.

As I've stated over and over again, running from a roll at highway speeds may be fun, but that's all it's good for. It means absolutely nothing when it comes to making comparisons or measurements of any kind, whatsoever. Too many factors come into the equation.

And if the car in question is an auto, from a roll? Waste of time, if for anything other than having a good time. But if you intend to use the experience to say "my car is faster than (insert make and model here)" = waste of time, and 100% inaccurate...


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"If (car 1) outruns (car 2) in the 1/4 and then (car 2) starts to pull say around 100 and keep pulling which is faster? The car that won the 1/4 or the one that started to walk it all the way up to 125?" Most of those Supras over in that forum don't have great 1/4 times, but put buslengths on a hwy run. But I can't go by that, just trap speed.

i was always under the impression that racing from a roll indicates who has more horsepower since there is no launch involved, which is what many people screw up on. and racing from a roll involves the same gearing that racing from a stop does, but i understand its more "manly" to line up and go from a dig ;)
lol sort of. Not really though. From a roll it involves some torque, horsepower, weight, gearing, and aero.

Gearing is a big factor, because some cars are set up more for quick get up & go, and not realy any top end. While others are set up for slower take offs and huge top end. Gearing is a wonderful thing.

Weight is always a factor no matter where your at, just not so much at top speeds. Aero is ahuge thing, take the Ford Lightning for example, quick as hell in 1/4, but up top, they are much slower. I believe 01 or 02 was when they got their hp jump, and when that happened, they can really pull until about 120 then they have the aerodynamics of a brick wall, and drastically slow.

Racing from a roll is fun, but really proves nothing. It has no drivers skill. Racing from a dig, involves, launching and shifting, which are things that take a good amount of skill to do good.

lol sort of. Not really though. From a roll it involves some torque, horsepower, weight, gearing, and aero.

Gearing is a big factor, because some cars are set up more for quick get up & go, and not realy any top end. While others are set up for slower take offs and huge top end. Gearing is a wonderful thing.

Weight is always a factor no matter where your at, just not so much at top speeds. Aero is ahuge thing, take the Ford Lightning for example, quick as hell in 1/4, but up top, they are much slower. I believe 01 or 02 was when they got their hp jump, and when that happened, they can really pull until about 120 then they have the aerodynamics of a brick wall, and drastically slow.

Racing from a roll is fun, but really proves nothing. It has no drivers skill. Racing from a dig, involves, launching and shifting, which are things that take a good amount of skill to do good.

It is more about the driver than the car

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"If (car 1) outruns (car 2) in the 1/4 and then (car 2) starts to pull say around 100 and keep pulling which is faster? The car that won the 1/4 or the one that started to walk it all the way up to 125?" Most of those Supras over in that forum don't have great 1/4 times, but put buslengths on a hwy run. But I can't go by that, just trap speed.
depends on how you are judging speed. Speeds from 0-60, 0-100, 60-100, 100-150, 1/8 times, 1/4 times, or lap times. Differnt people design their cars for different reasons.

Like many people bring up, that a M3 would take a car in the twisties but would lose in the 1/4, is becuase it was desinged for lap times, which would be great, compared to like say some of the Mustangs on the road, which would have great 1/4's but horrible lap times.

Now what scale are YOU judging car 1 and car 2 on, that is how you choose who is faster.

It is more about the driver than the car
.......Wha?......what is?

I think this is what you are trying to say........short version here:

Racing from a dig: Is more about what driver is better.

Racing from a roll: Is more about what car is better.

But those are very short explanations. Neither really holds true when you think about it. But if you can't grasp the concept really, then use those as rules of thumb I guess.

The only thing about racing from a roll that involves drivers skill is the traffic weaving skill, which is highly stupid & insane; and although I used to love high way racing, becuase I could "outweave" somebody, it was extremely stupid and I'm surprised I didn't hurt/kill me or anyone else.

depends on how you are judging speed. Speeds from 0-60, 0-100, 60-100, 100-150, 1/8 times, 1/4 times, or lap times. Differnt people design their cars for different reasons.

Like many people bring up, that a M3 would take a car in the twisties but would lose in the 1/4, is becuase it was desinged for lap times, which would be great, compared to like say some of the Mustangs on the road, which would have great 1/4's but horrible lap times.

Now what scale are YOU judging car 1 and car 2 on, that is how you choose who is faster.


Overall is what I am saying

.......Wha?......what is?

I think this is what you are trying to say........short version here:

Racing from a dig: Is more about what driver is better.

Racing from a roll: Is more about what car is better.

But those are very short explanations. Neither really holds true when you think about it. But if you can't grasp the concept really, then use those as rules of thumb I guess.

The only thing about racing from a roll that involves drivers skill is the traffic weaving skill, which is highly stupid & insane; and although I used to love high way racing, becuase I could "outweave" somebody, it was extremely stupid and I'm surprised I didn't hurt/kill me or anyone else.

Who said anything about weaving? Grasp what concept? No neither theory is completly true. Racing from a dig is fun no doubt, but so is racing from a roll. Most videos of any race in any forum is from a roll...Why? Because these are the situations that come up most often. People don't say.." I know where there is a 1/4 track lets go there and race". If someone pulls up next to someone and they want to go, they go. Should it be kept on a track, certainly. I am about to go to Westheimer in about 15min. and I doubt that we get a true 1/4 mi run in. Probably a bunch of sprints from what ever speed to whatever speed.

Overall is what I am saying
like I was saying, which way are you deciding overall? Are you saying just top speed? Because some cars can reach 200mph, but it may take them 3 miles to reach it. Or some may be 0-60 in 3 secs, but have a top speed of 95mph.

Who said anything about weaving? Grasp what concept? No neither theory is completly true. Racing from a dig is fun no doubt, but so is racing from a roll. Most videos of any race in any forum is from a roll...Why? Because these are the situations that come up most often. People don't say.." I know where there is a 1/4 track lets go there and race". If someone pulls up next to someone and they want to go, they go. Should it be kept on a track, certainly. I am about to go to Westheimer in about 15min. and I doubt that we get a true 1/4 mi run in. Probably a bunch of sprints from what ever speed to whatever speed.
yes you are correct. But what I was tryign to say, is racing from a roll involves no skill really. Just mash the gas. From a dig, challenges the driver much more.

Weaving: the only thing that would involve any skill in racing from a roll, but not smart at all. That is all I was saying about weaving.

Also yes I know most people can not just head to track, and I have raced from a roll a few times, I know one night I raced an STi, each time we did a sprint, the results were different. There is no telling who was actually a better driver, it just depended on who pushed the gas first. From a roll is fun no doubt, but from a dig involves more skill. I beat guys with "faster" cars in my prelude because I would launch much better than them. But from a roll, they would have spanked me, or they did spank me(depending on situation).

My car is slow I shouldn't have even been in the ball park....yada yada yada

I will never race a Type S again.

You are a moderator and I guess a lot of people know you on this board, so what I say and have experienced is not going to matter much to most. You must have one freakish CL. Everything I have read has stated that the CL is not quite as quick as the 330ci let alone the ZHP. We were in 2nd gear when we went at it, so I missed out on the launch. I am glad you got a 14.1 in a CL, but I have yet to see one that fast (stock) and doubt I ever will. On top of that you said on a hot humid day? So in optimal conditions maybe 13's? Send over some video of that

You just proved my point about running from a roll... means nothing... changes everything...

Who said anything about weaving? Grasp what concept? No neither theory is completly true. Racing from a dig is fun no doubt, but so is racing from a roll. Most videos of any race in any forum is from a roll...Why? Because these are the situations that come up most often. People don't say.." I know where there is a 1/4 track lets go there and race". If someone pulls up next to someone and they want to go, they go. Should it be kept on a track, certainly. I am about to go to Westheimer in about 15min. and I doubt that we get a true 1/4 mi run in. Probably a bunch of sprints from what ever speed to whatever speed.

As I stated, it's fun, but proves absolutely nothing if you're planning on using the experience and outcome as means for any kind of comparison or measurement

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"If (car 1) outruns (car 2) in the 1/4 and then (car 2) starts to pull say around 100 and keep pulling which is faster? The car that won the 1/4 or the one that started to walk it all the way up to 125?" Most of those Supras over in that forum don't have great 1/4 times, but put buslengths on a hwy run. But I can't go by that, just trap speed.


:lol Consider the source. Supra = dyno queen. Big power, and they can't launch them. The perfect example of un-usable power.

It's a running joke on the internet car forums all over about 300 rwhp cars running the same ET's as 600 rwhp Supras... which the Supra guys always come back with "yeah, but look at the traps"... :rolleyes

You're making my point for me... ;)

:rolleyes :lol Consider the source. Supra = dyno queen. Big power, and they can't launch them. The perfect example of un-usable power.

It's a running joke on the internet car forums all over about 300 rwhp cars running the same ET's as 600 rwhp Supras... which the Supra guys always come back with "yeah, but look at the traps"... :rolleyes

You're making my point for me... ;)


Lets put it this way..I would much rather have some of the cars with 600whp than a 300whp car running great 1/4 times. Most of the races I encounter are on the freeway here in TX...but according to you they're all #$%! Because they don't have great 1/4 times...unusable? You're all about the launch and that is GREAT!!!!! :buttrock I love it too. It is a little more stealthy to run on the freeway than go balls out at a stoplight...another reason to go from a roll.

You just proved my point about running from a roll... means nothing... changes everything...


I was being sarcastic about missing out on the launch.

:lol Consider the source. Supra = dyno queen. Big power, and they can't launch them. The perfect example of un-usable power.

It's a running joke on the internet car forums all over about 300 rwhp cars running the same ET's as 600 rwhp Supras... which the Supra guys always come back with "yeah, but look at the traps"... :rolleyes

You're making my point for me... ;)
Ok, so I guess you'll be able to find me many example of full-weight street M3's running 11's, 10's, and 9's on stock 6 speed drivelines (sans clutch), suspensions, blocks, etc.....afterall there are many running-joke Supra's doing this, so it must be easy with any car, right? How about 9's on 18" rubber? Low 11's with a few basic mods? Any of that? Should be really easy since all of these Supra's weigh well over 3,400lbs, shouldn't it?

Now I love M3's, but calling Supra's a joke is, well, a joke.

Racing from a roll is great to determine which car is faster/makes best use of power/gearing....or simply if the car isn't wearing the right rubber to hook on the street.

14.7 is obtainable with a lightly modded 328is AT. Modded 328is will hit mid to low 14's. The CL's are pigs on off the line... catch them on the freeway and modded ones can move. My cousin as a modded CL-type S Comptech header/Exhaust/Icebox. He whooped my ass...

I would like to see a "lightly" modded 328is AUTO run 14s. No way an auto can break 15 without some good mods. What's your definition of lightly?

I would like to see a "lightly" modded 328is AUTO run 14s. No way an auto can break 15 without some good mods. What's your definition of lightly?


14.6 in a stock manual

I dunno about them, but I consider lightly modded, intake/exhaust/chip. Maybe a 3.5" HFM.

14.6 in a stock manual

Did you notice the AUTO part?

Consider the source. Supra = dyno queen. Big power, and they can't launch them. The perfect example of un-usable power.
I'll just ignore this comment and remind you that Mr Woon this week ran 9.30s in a stock weight, stock 6spd supra.

What kind of rwhp did he have to get that 9.3?

Ok, so I guess you'll be able to find me many example of full-weight street M3's running 11's, 10's, and 9's on stock 6 speed drivelines (sans clutch), suspensions, blocks, etc.....afterall there are many running-joke Supra's doing this, so it must be easy with any car, right? How about 9's on 18" rubber? Low 11's with a few basic mods? Any of that? Should be really easy since all of these Supra's weigh well over 3,400lbs, shouldn't it?

Now I love M3's, but calling Supra's a joke is, well, a joke.

Racing from a roll is great to determine which car is faster/makes best use of power/gearing....or simply if the car isn't wearing the right rubber to hook on the street.

Running from a roll is good fun, but due to various factors involved, unless you have the same exact car model with the same gearing running side by side, it's kinda useless for the sake of making accurate comparisons and measurements- my point.

What kind of rwhp did he have to get that 9.3?
Right around 1K to the wheels IIRC

Right around 1K to the wheels IIRC Thats correct and this was his first time at the track with a brand new setup. I think he will probally reach high 8s and if it was a built auto he would be much deeper than that. I will say that is about what the street vipers are doing with the same power. This was also on a very small set of slicks

Running from a roll is good fun, but due to various factors involved, unless you have the same exact car model with the same gearing running side by side, it's kinda useless for the sake of making accurate comparisons and measurements- my point.

From a roll usually determines which car makes more use of its powerband, gearing etc. From a dig there are a lot of variables also. tires, launch, technique, etc. If you are a good driver then yeah you are going to shine at the track. For ALOT of people that can't quite launch as well, you take away that variable from a roll and make it a little more even (car vs car).

Not to mention that a lot of people don't want to launch their car because of the wear and tear aggresive launching makes on car. You are right...it is useless when comparing 1/4 times.

From a roll, he should have beaten you. When I had the CL Type S, it felt almost as quick as the 540i 6 speed from 75-110. So unless you can stay with a manual 540i at highway speeds, he should beat you.

Not to mention they can trap over 100mph with just headers and icebox, and that's the automatics.

From a roll, he should have beaten you. When I had the CL Type S, it felt almost as quick as the 540i 6 speed from 75-110. So unless you can stay with a manual 540i at highway speeds, he should beat you.

Not to mention they can trap over 100mph with just headers and icebox, and that's the automatics.


Why does everyone in this forum say... " with a couple of mods...." that is not the case so why bring it up. it was stock and it got stomped. I have raced a few CL's and everyone of them up to this point has had the same result. Would've, could've, should've...didn't and hasn't

540i 6 speed
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Nice, man...when did you get the 540?

Whatever you do, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT test drive or take a ride in an M5. You will shoot yourself for not coughing up the extra cash and getting one. ;)

I drove a 540/6 immediately followed by an M5 and there was just NO comparison whatsoever.

Nice, man...when did you get the 540?

Whatever you do, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT test drive or take a ride in an M5. You will shoot yourself for not coughing up the extra cash and getting one. ;)

I drove a 540/6 immediately followed by an M5 and there was just NO comparison whatsoever.

There is or by this time was an M5 for sale in Houston for........... $36K :eek:

Having a CL type S I can say it sure feels quicker than the 328s i've driven in the past.

Not sure that i've raced anything with it comparable here when stock. Mine does have headers 10 whp, and cold air 5 whp.

Finally went to track this spring. First off, I can't launch this thing worth a damn. So times are off, I wasn't abusing it. Just wanted an idea of what it would do and what kind of power it's making, ie traps.

14.4 2.3 60' running 98-99. decent day at the track.

I'm sure if I worked on launch i could get a 14.2, but i'm not a big fan of fwd, except in the winter.

I've run a 325, 328, and 330 with the car. The 325 and 328 were staged runs, from a stop, both close to about 50 and then pulling nicely out the end to 2-3 lengths. Most likely due to unaggressive launch by me and damn FWD. The 330 was on a highway and i was pulling on him a bit in 70-100 runs probably 1/2 to 1 car depending on who jumped first.

I've ran an M3, stock, 97 5 spd. From a roll, didnt' bother from a start. We were even up to 110, 2x back to back. about 20 and then 40 mph starts.

I'm not stock of course, but stock cars usually post mid to upper 14s at 95 ish.

Joe

Having a CL type S I can say it sure feels quicker than the 328s i've driven in the past.

Not sure that i've raced anything with it comparable here when stock. Mine does have headers 10 whp, and cold air 5 whp.

Finally went to track this spring. First off, I can't launch this thing worth a damn. So times are off, I wasn't abusing it. Just wanted an idea of what it would do and what kind of power it's making, ie traps.

14.4 2.3 60' running 98-99. decent day at the track.

I'm sure if I worked on launch i could get a 14.2, but i'm not a big fan of fwd, except in the winter.

I've run a 325, 328, and 330 with the car. The 325 and 328 were staged runs, from a stop, both close to about 50 and then pulling nicely out the end to 2-3 lengths. Most likely due to unaggressive launch by me and damn FWD. The 330 was on a highway and i was pulling on him a bit in 70-100 runs probably 1/2 to 1 car depending on who jumped first.

I've ran an M3, stock, 97 5 spd. From a roll, didnt' bother from a start. We were even up to 110, 2x back to back. about 20 and then 40 mph starts.

I'm not stock of course, but stock cars usually post mid to upper 14s at 95 ish.

Joe

Now that I believe. Of course you are not stock. That is not unbelievable in an Acura with those mods. The Honda division cars respond VERY well to mods, no matter what the mod is. You probably gained more than that I would say with those mods. I had a '01 GSR and with the CAI I gained .5 in the 1/4!!! So yeah that goes in line with the results I got with a stock CL. It may have been auto by the way, which I have witnessed at the track as a 15 flat car.

Right around 1K to the wheels IIRC

Again, you reinforce the point I was making about Supras... I stated that cars with 300 rwhp run what Supras run with 600 rwhp...

I know guys with 500 rwhp in Mustangs that run 9's... it took 1000 rwhp for the Supra...

Dyno queens... ;)

From a roll usually determines which car makes more use of its powerband, gearing etc. From a dig there are a lot of variables also. tires, launch, technique, etc. If you are a good driver then yeah you are going to shine at the track. For ALOT of people that can't quite launch as well, you take away that variable from a roll and make it a little more even (car vs car).

Not to mention that a lot of people don't want to launch their car because of the wear and tear aggresive launching makes on car. You are right...it is useless when comparing 1/4 times.


That's where you compare trap speeds, cuz it was measured in a controlled environment with accurate metrics...

Again, running from a roll proves absolutely nothing for the sake of measurements or comparisons... but that doesn't mean it's not fun...

Having a CL type S I can say it sure feels quicker than the 328s i've driven in the past.

Not sure that i've raced anything with it comparable here when stock. Mine does have headers 10 whp, and cold air 5 whp.

Finally went to track this spring. First off, I can't launch this thing worth a damn. So times are off, I wasn't abusing it. Just wanted an idea of what it would do and what kind of power it's making, ie traps.

14.4 2.3 60' running 98-99. decent day at the track.

I'm sure if I worked on launch i could get a 14.2, but i'm not a big fan of fwd, except in the winter.

I've run a 325, 328, and 330 with the car. The 325 and 328 were staged runs, from a stop, both close to about 50 and then pulling nicely out the end to 2-3 lengths. Most likely due to unaggressive launch by me and damn FWD. The 330 was on a highway and i was pulling on him a bit in 70-100 runs probably 1/2 to 1 car depending on who jumped first.

I've ran an M3, stock, 97 5 spd. From a roll, didnt' bother from a start. We were even up to 110, 2x back to back. about 20 and then 40 mph starts.

I'm not stock of course, but stock cars usually post mid to upper 14s at 95 ish.

Joe

Sounds about right. I ran a 14.1 at 96 mph in our stock CL-S 6 spd, with a 2.0 60' time. Better ET due to better 60' time, but slower traps due to less power... :buttrock

Again, you reinforce the point I was making about Supras... I stated that cars with 300 rwhp run what Supras run with 600 rwhp...

I know guys with 500 rwhp in Mustangs that run 9's... it took 1000 rwhp for the Supra...

Dyno queens... ;)


I know what's up with that, they just can't launch those supras the right way.............but i heard those slushboxes with converter + some serious tires are not as bad as the manual. as for the manual supras, i wonder why they're not doing anything to fix the problem. i know part of it are the drivers but can they think of something to make it easier to launch the darn thing....... :D

Again, you reinforce the point I was making about Supras... I stated that cars with 300 rwhp run what Supras run with 600 rwhp... I know alot of mustangs that cant run 9s on 500whp either. If ryans car was a built auto he would be deep in the 8s or high 7s. Wait for the bigger slicks and a 2nd time at the track Im sure he will be in the 8's. Remember we do weigh 3500lbs also unlike the notch or fox that ran 9s with 500whp that you are talking about.

Ps my friend ran 10.80s on street tires stock weight stock suspension and stock 6 speed and 600whp. There are a cpl guys in the 10s on the factory twins and alot more guys with the appropriate hp for 10s and 9s but you dont hear about them as much as the guys who pull the big numbers.

Just saw this one, thought I'd drop in my nickel's worth of experience with the new TL...

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=345408

Carter

I know alot of mustangs that cant run 9s on 500whp either. If ryans car was a built auto he would be deep in the 8s or high 7s. Wait for the bigger slicks and a 2nd time at the track Im sure he will be in the 8's. Remember we do weigh 3500lbs also unlike the notch or fox that ran 9s with 500whp that you are talking about.

Ps my friend ran 10.80s on street tires stock weight stock suspension and stock 6 speed and 600whp. There are a cpl guys in the 10s on the factory twins and alot more guys with the appropriate hp for 10s and 9s but you dont hear about them as much as the guys who pull the big numbers.


Yeah, but you see my original point, right? It takes almost twice as much rwhp in Supras to run what many other cars do... that was my only point on the Supra thing...

Yeah, but you see my original point, right? It takes almost twice as much rwhp in Supras to run what many other cars do... that was my only point on the Supra thing...
You're comparing apples to oranges.

Find me another 3600lb GT car with IRS that will run 9's with 500whp....sure a lighter Fox-body with a straight axle, 4-bar, and 4/10's in the front might run that quick, but a full weight 03+ SVT Cobra (decent comparison to the Supra) will need well over 800whp to do so, and most of those guys will be running autos.

A car like Ryan's 6-speed is running the stock drivetline, trans, and a set of way-too-stiff- for most drag racers Tein coilovers....hardly a full-on drag setup. It's basically a street/road race car that just happens to run 9's when the slicks are bolted on. Supra's are somewhat rare cars so most owners are reluctant to cut them up into stripped out squishy drag suspensioned, solid rear axle drag-machines....since big power is relatively easy to obtain, most go that route for quick times instead. Don't really see why that's a "bad thing," and all that "dyno queen" horsepower comes in handy for racing pesky TT Vipers on the highway of course.....

If it makes you feel better, there's a full-weight street driven auto that can run an 8.45 with "only" around 1K whp....

But like I said earlier, since Supras are a joke, I'd love to see the list of street M3's running 9's and 10's (at any power level), with stock blocks, trannies, suspensions, etc

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Find me another 3600lb GT car with IRS that will run 9's with 500whp....sure a lighter Fox-body with a straight axle, 4-bar, and 4/10's in the front might run that quick, but a full weight 03+ SVT Cobra (decent comparison to the Supra) will need well over 800whp to do so, and most of those guys will be running autos.

A car like Ryan's 6-speed is running the stock drivetline, trans, and a set of way-too-stiff- for most drag racers Tein coilovers....hardly a full-on drag setup. It's basically a street/road race car that just happens to run 9's when the slicks are bolted on. Supra's are somewhat rare cars so most owners are reluctant to cut them up into stripped out squishy drag suspensioned, solid rear axle drag-machines....since big power is relatively easy to obtain, most go that route for quick times instead. Don't really see why that's a "bad thing," and all that "dyno queen" horsepower comes in handy for racing pesky TT Vipers on the highway of course.....

If it makes you feel better, there's a full-weight street driven auto that can run an 8.45 with "only" around 1K whp....

But like I said earlier, since Supras are a joke, I'd love to see the list of street M3's running 9's and 10's (at any power level), with stock blocks, trannies, suspensions, etc


Don't get all defensive cuz you and others made my point for me... ;)

Yeah, but you see my original point, right? It takes almost twice as much rwhp in Supras to run what many other cars do... that was my only point on the Supra thing... Yes that is the case for most supras and most supras arent set up to drag race, well the ones that are :devillook .Last time I checked the supras were kicking ass in the street tire class series but didnt see any bmw's competing.

Couldnt have said it any better northof49, I guess 03 cobras and tt vipers are dyno queens too. We have more street supras in the 8 and 9s than bmw's do the 12s but alot of ppl will continue to talk junk. show me a 500whp bmw in the 10s that weighs 3400lbs+ then we can talk.

Don't get all defensive cuz you and others made my point for me... ;)
Have fun in the 14's ;)

Yes that is the case for most supras and most supras arent set up to drag race, well the ones that are :devillook .Last time I checked the supras were kicking ass in the street tire class series but didnt see any bmw's competing.

Couldnt have said it any better northof49, I guess 03 cobras and tt vipers are dyno queens too. We have more street supras in the 8 and 9s than bmw's do the 12s but alot of ppl will continue to talk junk. show me a 500whp bmw in the 10s that weighs 3400lbs+ then we can talk.

I only needed 300 rwhp to get my old BMW into the 11's...

Have fun in the 14's ;)

The last BMW I drag raced more than once didn't even run 12's... or 13's... or 14's... ;)

And just a smidge above 300 rwhp....

Hmm... go figure... :stickoutt