Had my M3, in sig, out in Madison for the weekend and was driving back to Milwaukee Sunday afternoon... while stopped at the Pine Cone Travel Plaza getting fuel there is a guy with a nice black 2005 GT and he is kind of a hick, so he does not really know anything about BMWs accept that he does not realize he can't hang with my I6 (LOL)!!! so we chat real briefly then he pulls out with a few other cars he is traveling with and gets back on I-94 heading east towards Milwaukee... so I follow him and stay tucked behind for a bit then I creep up next to him and give him the "let's do this" gesture...
so we wait for a good spot without traffic, and I am a few carlengths behind him as he is dropping gears and can hear his exhaust growling loud, as my gf is like "let's f*** this guy up"... finally he dropped the throttle his rear end sinks slightly and I stay in fifth wait for the power to "grab" then slam I catch up to him by 100!!! and by 110 he is barely trying anymore as i was a few cl's ahead by then, and then shuts it down!!! then I slow back down and come even w/ him again he is just like bobbing his head, adjusting his radio or something like trying to play ignorant, neither he nor his gf look over so I just wave and smile and cruise off...
it was mysterious cuz both of us decided he was definately at WOT but could not even hold me off w/ a couple cl's head start!!!
bummer, also those cars are TOO big, they are almost slovenly for a two door coupe??

what mods do you have on your M? They are a bit quicker than the previous bodystyle mustangs, but then again you raced him up-top where they are slow

eh, something does not compute here.

I think he had an automatic, also I have no mods except JC chip which obviously does nothing, but yeah it was surprising too that when he would smash the throtle (from behind it is easy to note when that is by the sound) the Mustang just had less "pop" than I would have expected... obvioulsy from 0-60 he would own me but up top those things are damn slow it appears

maybe he was just being weird, cuz he was definately not "cool" with my car eventhough I gave him a thumbsup while we were leaving the gas pumps...

unless he didn't downshift and ran you in 5th????

they are alot quicker than the older mustangs. They put down around 275whp stock. But I had they are drag limited up top. Their aero just sux royally, and I don't know how strong they are up top. I know the old stangs had nothing to give up top, so maybe these suffer the same ailments. But I do know 0-60 and 1/4 they are much faster than their predecessors.


but what mods do you have on your 3?

I look at general reviews of the mustang and its trap speeds range from 104-108mph, this is almost as fast as a Camaro SS, I am not sure how slow it is up top, but maybe he was breaking it in and not taking it up to the redline?

maybe he just didn't like me and didn't want to "waste" his time or something??? I was expecting to get owned, also I was in fifth when I smashed the throttle!!! I should have been the slow one, so I don't get it?
Another thing is why the heck does a V8 coupe Mustang GT put such narrow rubber on the rear??? He had like 9's on the back??? WTF???

but what mods do you have on your 3?
none except Conforti chip and air box de-baffle

maybe he just didn't like me and didn't want to "waste" his time or something??? I was expecting to get owned, also I was in fifth when I smashed the throttle!!! I should have been the slow one, so I don't get it?
Another thing is why the heck does a V8 coupe Mustang GT put such narrow rubber on the rear??? He had like 9's on the back??? WTF???
well 9"s coming from factory is hella wide. But for him to leave it like that.......:confused

But I seriously think he was probably hindered by aero alot. Maybe the up top thing also.

What speed were you when you mashed the gas in 5th? also like asked, what mods you have if any?

edit: just saw your mods, hmmm....those gave you a bit more juice up top, but not a ton. :)

kind of off topic but why do camaro ss and other f-bodies run better in the quarter mile when they are auto? My brother has a manual camaro SS and his friend has an auto which tends to run a tad bit faster. Is it due to wheelspin and difficulty to control the launch? Are they faster up top too?

I have NO MODS!!! NOTHING except the Conforti software!!
no intake no exhaust all stock for now but that will change this summer when i start working again,

I was going 70 mph in fifth when I started to "run" and I didn't feel like downshifting cuz I suspected he would just dip real hard and I would just be lingering back about 100 yards, but this was weird b/c like I said both me and my gf confirmed that he was WOT from the sound but there was less accel. than expected, we both kinda looked at eachother in amazement...

I have NO MODS!!! NOTHING except the Conforti software!!
no intake no exhaust all stock for now but that will change this summer when i start working again,

I was going 70 mph in fifth when I started to "run" and I didn't feel like downshifting cuz I suspected he would just dip real hard and I would just be lingering back about 100 yards, but this was weird b/c like I said both me and my gf confirmed that he was WOT from the sound but there was less accel. than expected, we both kinda looked at eachother in amazement...
lol yeah sorry, right after I posted my last one, I saw your other post saying chip & debaffle.

But that is odd, especially that you pulled on him hard in 5th from 70. 5th still has decent little pick up, and by 90 or 100 has some pull, but for you to overpower the new GT like that, is odd. (not doubting your intelligence) but are you sure it was a GT, it had dual exhaust? That could be one reason, because although I heard the new GTs are seriously drag limited at like 110 or 120, them being slugs at 70 just doesn't seem right.

Funny you post this. I just had a nice run with one of them yesterday. I was with you guys, I thought he would clearly walk me and there would be no chance. To my surprise it didn't happen that way.

I was on I4 heading towards Daytona and he was in front of me. He started turning on his flashers as we were just driving along at like 80. I guess he knew this would get me going. So when we got some room He moved over and i got next to him. Dropped to 4th and he got a little jump on me. He pulled out about 2 cars one me. Then the M started gaining ground I was reeling him in. Topped out 4th into 5th and still reeling. Then he punked out right as I got to his back bumper he hits the brakes and turns on his hazards. He knew I was running him down and about to go by him so he hits the brakes and then the Hazards. Give me a break.

I dont see this happening, (the first race not yours jay thats seems right) but my cousin with a 97 cobra with a few mods raced an 05gt with exhaust, and my cousin from 60 pulled about 3 cars up to 110. About the same as he does on me before mods. Now he only pulls about a 1 car on me. So with just a chip i dont see how you could pull on him in 5th gear at 70 unless he wasnt trying. Sorry man i just dont see it. If he was 5spd and couldnt drive worth a shit maybe i guess but from a 70 roll it doesnt take much skill to downshift and floor it.

first, yes it was a GT I saw at the gas station

second, maybe he didn't know we were racing and perhaps he thought I just wanted to speed up and drive a bit faster, but the way his rear dropped, exhaust noise was loud, (sounded kinda nice actually from even a few cls back) makes me think he was atleast giving it a chance, and who knows how old the car is... could be not broken in etc... but all that aside I am simply not overly impressed by the GT, and this does remind me of the past weekend in Madison when I saw a new Pontiac GTO...

I dont see this happening, (the first race not yours jay thats seems right) but my cousin with a 97 cobra with a few mods raced an 05gt with exhaust, and my cousin from 60 pulled about 3 cars up to 110. About the same as he does on me before mods. Now he only pulls about a 1 car on me. So with just a chip i dont see how you could pull on him in 5th gear at 70 unless he wasnt trying. Sorry man i just dont see it. If he was 5spd and couldnt drive worth a shit maybe i guess but from a 70 roll it doesnt take much skill to downshift and floor it.

this comparison is slightly confusing,
and I didn't even race this guy from an even spot!!! I started behind him like 2-3 cls!!!
don't ask me, but it is quite possible that the GT is slow as hell over 85 mph
plus I guess I did never really pass him completely just pulled up to him kind of easily IMO

kind of off topic but why do camaro ss and other f-bodies run better in the quarter mile when they are auto? My brother has a manual camaro SS and his friend has an auto which tends to run a tad bit faster. Is it due to wheelspin and difficulty to control the launch? Are they faster up top too?

Auto is alot more easier to launch and more consistant. LS1s usually die up top, they only quarter mile monsters. I hooked one up in GT3 and it had a top speed of 85. The sucker wouldnt go faster than 85, but it would get to 85 in like 3 seconds.

i dont know about the top end comment...i knwo it rings true for mustangs but we have an ls1 in the family, and up top it seems incredible. It pulls harder from 100-140 than my m3 ever has, and it topped out at about 160mph, not that it could not go faster, there was just not enough road and the mph only goes to 155....imo the SS camaros are beasts from 0- top speed

i dont know about the top end comment...i knwo it rings true for mustangs but we have an ls1 in the family, and up top it seems incredible. It pulls harder from 100-140 than my m3 ever has, and it topped out at about 160mph, not that it could not go faster, there was just not enough road and the mph only goes to 155....imo the SS camaros are beasts from 0- top speed

Maby its supercharged or something. Or the previous owner had to have done alot of work to it, you gotta spend like 30k easily to get them to go above 100 fast.

Maby its supercharged or something. Or the previous owner had to have done alot of work to it, you gotta spend like 30k easily to get them to go above 100 fast.
On ls1's? You realize ls1's are the 98 and up motor right? The lt1's die around 100 but the ls1's shine in the top end.
Gt3 isnt really a good comparison to real life, i had a ford gt reach 272 mph in gt4 so.....


this comparison is slightly confusing, and I didn't even race this guy from an even spot!!! I started behind him like 2-3 cls!!!
don't ask me, but it is quite possible that the GT is slow as hell over 85 mph
plus I guess I did never really pass him completely just pulled up to him kind of easily IMO

Ok heres how it goes, 97 cobra pulls 3 cars on 05gt, 97 cobra pulls 1cars on me with listed mods. So In comparison i would pull about a car to 2 cars on a 05gt with exhaust. granted this doesnt take into driving skills traction or anything, but its a scale.

Gt3 isnt really a good comparison to real life,

Ok, now your talking crazy talk.

I know i know, silly me, a video game pwns real life!!

no, there is only software, exhaust, cai, and short shifter on his camaro and I guarantee you it will pull any M3, he pulled an E46 up top, so I doubt an e36 would be any competition :help

what year car is this? that has these mods?

1998 camaro ss

in any case, i tried to race him up top in my M3, and from what i heard auto M3s pull better on the freeway, plus i had a handful of little mods that would have made a bit of a difference, and i still got walked

98 was the first year of the ls1, thats why its so good up top. It doesnt matter where you would race him, he is going to walk you unless you get a supercharger or turbo. And if he starts modding it, than you'd better hope he didnt do to much even if you are blown. With the mods he has he is definatly in the 12's and there is no doubt he would take an e46 m3, stock for stock the e46 m3 has trouble with an ls1.

98 & Up z28 and SS's have the ls1 which is great everywhere, low 13's at high 100's in the quarter.

93(i think 93, maybe 94)-97 had the lt1, which runs out of breath up top around 100 mph. It still does a low 14 at around 100 in the quarter i think, but it dies up top after that.

93(i think 93, maybe 94)-97 had the ls1, which runs out of breath up top around 100 mph. It still does a low 14 at around 100 in the quarter i think, but it dies up top after that.
you mean lt1 or am I getting engines confused?

Yeah he meant to say the ls1 is great all around but the lt1 runs out of steam in triple digits. I havent had the chance to run with either yet. I have ran a previous gen stang gt. We did a short run from about 90 to 125. I put a lot of distance between us and he wouldnt play after that. Im sure he was probably stock.

The thing that doesnt make sense about the race againt the new GT is when he says he left it in 5th at 70 and still caught up to the GT. If I left my car in 5th at 70 im sure a lot of cars would kick my butt, definately a GT.

Anyways good run, you had fun. Ill be looking forward to seeing a new GT on the highway.

Oh an 05 gt would definatly pull from him unless he left it in 5th too.

I have raced a 99-04 with atleast an exhaust and i put about a car and a half on him from 70-120.

And my cousin has raced an 05gt (cousin with 97cobra, with intake, exhaust, no cats and h-pipe, chip, and 3.73's) And he put about 3 cars on the 05gt from 40-110. Which is about what he did to me when i was stock, now he only puts about 1 car on me from those speeds. So basically an 05gt is equal to a stock e36 m3. Maybe not up top higher but from 40-110 its about even.

yeah I think that is about good enough for this discussion...
I actually think now that the guy in the GT knows he doesn't have a top end monster and once he saw me gaining on him, and then catch up to him relatively easily he must have quit trying...
also I think realistically he must have had the auto tranny b/c the way the sound corresponded to his "downshifting" leads me to believe this was the case, I am pissed that I didn't pay attention at the gas station but I was a little intimidated by him the way he was yelling at his gf about getting him a smoke while he was pumping fuel!! :help

BTW it is a fact that the GT IS FAST but I was just trying to say that I don't think it is as fast as it was expected to be, especially over 85 mph
Oh and on my M3 third gear AND fifth gear both pull real hard from lower rpm ranges like 3k -3.5k whereas my fourth gear has a window from 4k-5k and that seems to be all, fifth gear for me is a real solid pull none the less

fifth gear is a good gear for my car too, but i just dont see you pulling on an 05 gt when you leave it in 5th and he floors it, i just dont see it, he had to either leave it in 5th or do something wierd with the auto and not have it go to the appropriate gear.

fifth gear is a good gear for my car too, but i just dont see you pulling on an 05 gt when you leave it in 5th and he floors it, i just dont see it, he had to either leave it in 5th or do something wierd with the auto and not have it go to the appropriate gear.
it oculd've been one of those weird points for hte auto, where when it starts downshifting, it realizes it's pretty much at the top of the gear, and sits in the lower gear for maybe a second and then it has to upshift again, and therefore the car has lotsa rocking from shifting, and not alot of going, and when it upshifted, it could've put it back in 4th or 5th.


.......just a possibility. :dunno

... but then again you raced him up-top where they are slow

What exactly does this mean? By up top I assume you mean triple digit speeds? In that case the limiting factor is drag and friction, and has little to do with motors. If by up top you mean rpms surely you don't think he's red lining at 100mph? Someone explain this 'slow up top' thing to me please :confused

What exactly does this mean? By up top I assume you mean triple digit speeds? In that case the limiting factor is drag and friction, and has little to do with motors. If by up top you mean rpms surely you don't think he's red lining at 100mph? Someone explain this 'slow up top' thing to me please :confused
lol, Tom, I guess the guy was assuming this was the older mustangs, which ran out of breath "up top", (higher speeds, maybe triple digit, and that was related to the engine more on those stangs). But this stang is slower "up top" due to drag and friction I believe. I'm not sure about the engine, but you and me know that they have much stronger engines than the older ones. I think the new GT suffers the same problems as your truck does more so than the older mustangs that just suffered from pure suckiness. :stickoutt

lol, Tom, I guess the guy was assuming this was the older mustangs, which ran out of breath "up top", (higher speeds, maybe triple digit, and that was related to the engine more on those stangs). But this stang is slower "up top" due to drag and friction I believe. I'm not sure about the engine, but you and me know that they have much stronger engines than the older ones. I think the new GT suffers the same problems as your truck does more so than the older mustangs that just suffered from pure suckiness. :stickoutt
That doesn't make any sense.. e36 m3's are shaped like bricks, how do they not suffer from drag, or I should say, suffer less than a mustang?

I think its just with amount of drag versus how well the motor runs up top in high rpms for a longer period of time say than in first gear. Trust me i dont really understand why some cars are great up top and some suck. But the 05gt is pretty respectable, id definatly be wondering if i was going to lose or not if i was about to race one. And definatly would downshift.

What exactly does this mean? By up top I assume you mean triple digit speeds? In that case the limiting factor is drag and friction, and has little to do with motors. If by up top you mean rpms surely you don't think he's red lining at 100mph? Someone explain this 'slow up top' thing to me please :confused

HP, TQ and gearing also play a large role at any speed. Slow up top is refering mainly to upper RPM's. If you look at a dyno graph and the HP&TQ curves drop tremendously in the upper RPM range, the car does not have a good top end. ie LT1's...the LT1's intake manifold and heads run out of breath up top and therefore don't have great top end pull. Unlike the LS1, where they have a very flat TQ curve and produce a very even pull all the way through the RPM band. Hope this explains it. :D

That doesn't make any sense.. e36 m3's are shaped like bricks, how do they not suffer from drag, or I should say, suffer less than a mustang?
yeah I don't understand it, but somehow the M3's have decent aero.

That doesn't make any sense.. e36 m3's are shaped like bricks, how do they not suffer from drag, or I should say, suffer less than a mustang?

There is not that much of a difference in drag between the E36 M3 and the Mustang. The E36 has a drag coefficient of .32cd and the Mustang I think is .36cd, so the M3 is just slightly more aerodynamic.

There is not that much of a difference in drag between the E36 M3 and the Mustang. The E36 has a drag coefficient of .32cd and the Mustang I think is .36cd, so the M3 is just slightly more aerodynamic.
When you are talking about aero that isnt a slight difference. And tons of aero effieciency is lost under the car. Up to 50%.
Read this link if you want to go in depth into the issue.
http://aerodyn.org/Drag/speed-drag.html

When you are talking about aero that isnt a slight difference.

It is a slight difference when you are at lower speeds. Drag becomes a larger factor as speed increases and in most street races the speed doesn't get high enough for the difference to play that big of a role, and enough power can overcome the drag anyway. If both the cars were on a top speed run I'm sure the lower cd car would win if they had similar power and gear.

I bet he did F' up because I along with gf thought that the GT was going to pull away easily, but the fact that I crept up to him pretty easily means either he was messing around with his auto (like I suspected because the exhaust notes kept changing as I was cruising behind him) or he was simply just punching it briefly and not really trying to race, he struck me as the type of guy who wasn't to keen on running with a German motorsport ride... but it is mysterious because when we took off (I was behind a couple lengths but had a real slight "jump" on him) his rear end sunk so I know he was at least somewhat trying???

who knows, but he definatly wasnt trying.

yeah probably not, dammit
but I really wanted to have some more evidence of how the new Mustangs are less than stellar!!!

Oh stock for stock you two would have been even, i dont doubt that. But once you start modding them both the gt would walk you.

yeah but the GT was stock and so am I, essentially I have zero power gaining mods, all I have is new shocks (lol), and the JC software which according to most people here apparently does not give you any more power by itself
plus that GT is HUGE!, it is too big IMO
and what about the fact that it only had 9" rubber in the rear maybe he couldn't get enough traction or something???

at 65 he had traction, i only have the 8.5's and dont have any trouble with traction at 65. But the chipi should help top end since you get a higher rev limiter.

I am going to chalk this one up to "needs more research" which only means I will have to wait about, ohhh two seconds until I run into another one of 'em around here!!!
plus we were at 85 mph when we started, don't know if that changes anything

eh, not really, especially for traction

sooooo... results are inconclusive at best, I guess

there ya go

sooooo... results are inconclusive at best, I guess

The 2005 Mustang GT is a quick car in a straight line, faster than a stock E36 M3 without question. They trap significantly higher than the M3 in the quarter mile, and they don't run out of gearing above 100 mph.

You were in 5th gear. There is no explanation for the result other than the obvious. There was no race.

I agree they SHOULD be faster than an e36 m3 in a straight line, but this isnt always true. When i was stock i would have been right around even with him. But i do disagree about running out of breath on the top end. The cobra started to walk to gt as speeds go higher, unless you show me proof of a non-4v mustang not running out of breath on the top end i wont believe you, sorry but ive never seen it.

I agree they SHOULD be faster than an e36 m3 in a straight line, but this isnt always true. When i was stock i would have been right around even with him. But i do disagree about running out of breath on the top end. The cobra started to walk to gt as speeds go higher, unless you show me proof of a non-4v mustang not running out of breath on the top end i wont believe you, sorry but ive never seen it.

I didn't say the Mustang doesn't "run out of breath". I said it doesn't run out of gearing. Not the same thing.

BTW, the 2005 GT 4.6 is a 24 valve, 3-valve-per cylinder, V8. The car weighs about 3425 lbs and has 300 hp (at 6000 RPM, 6250 redline) and 315 ft/lb (at 4500). We are talking about a car that will run a 104-105 trap in the quarter all day long.

Certainly the Mustang is not a high-speed bahn-stormer and is not going to be a monster deep in the triple digits, but we are talking about a brief encounter where the M3 apparently slaughtered the Mustang from 80-110 or so and the M3 was in 5th gear. The only explanation is that no race occurred.

Further, the E36 M3 is not geared for high speed, indeed, quite the opposite. The US cars are geared low to accelerate with the Euro version up to about 100 MPH. After that, the Euro says goodbye.

Oh ok, sorry i got the wrong idea. But really, i think with an average driver i could hang with a stock gt. The time listed in my sig in the quarter was stock, so im in the 13's now. But get a good driver behind the gt and yea he'd take me, i know this. Sorry about the confusion.

eh, something does not compute here.
:withstupi

Doesn't sound right at all. Fifth gear? Maybe he's running a 4:10. :dunno

even than, he could still probably go to 4th and need too.

I'm waiting for more research. :) I'll do some investigating when I get the opportunity.

Haha! Nice :redspot

Oh ok, sorry i got the wrong idea. But really, i think with an average driver i could hang with a stock gt. The time listed in my sig in the quarter was stock, so im in the 13's now. But get a good driver behind the gt and yea he'd take me, i know this. Sorry about the confusion.
what is your definition of hanging? losing 1 car per gear? :D

That is probably what a stock M3 would do with a stock GT. From a dig at least. even with those "tiny" 9" rims on the new gts (plenty of rubber btw) they are putting down around 275whp stock, which is a good amount more than our 200-210whp stock. I don't know if they do or don't run out of breath up top, but I have heard their aero is utterly horrible up top, and that they are drag limited at like 120 or something (that is hearsay....i can't confirm). But soon these stangs will be in the hands of every woman around and the occassional male who will race like the current ones are now. So far the only GT's I've seen have been owned by women, so I haven't had a chance to race, I've blown by a few v6's owned by men, and I guess they didn't want to race. :(

what is your definition of hanging? losing 1 car per gear? :D

I don't know if they do or don't run out of breath up top, but I have heard their aero is utterly horrible up top, and that they are drag limited at like 120 or something (that is hearsay....i can't confirm). :(

Nah, no car with that amount of HP is going to be "drag" limited to 120mph. Maybe gear limited or computer limited, but a GT of almost any year should be able to hit at least 130mph, new ones should be able to hit 150mph+.

Have you ever seen that drag school bus that traps like 160+. That thing probably has a drag coefficient of like .85 and could probably do over 180 with the right gearing. (of course it's pushing like 1500rwhp though :D)

Again this was not from a dig at all!!! This was me starting behind the guy going 85 mph then cathcing him, then him quitting because he was not able to pull away as expected...
Again more testing is required and anyone else who has an encounter with GT let's here about it, but I am not interested in races from stops only races from highway speeds in excess of 100 mph!!!

Again this was not from a dig at all!!! This was me starting behind the guy going 85 mph then cathcing him, then him quitting because he was not able to pull away as expected...
Again more testing is required and anyone else who has an encounter with GT let's here about it, but I am not interested in races from stops only races from highway speeds in excess of 100 mph!!!

Some might argue that running from a roll isn't really a "race" at all...

Some might argue that running from a roll isn't really a "race" at all...
Some as in the poster in my quote box? Lemme see if I can remember the line without dishing up the thread, "Tuck your manhood between your legs and roll" Is that right? Lemme go check and see.....

Yeah, tuck your manhood between your legs like Buffalo Bill in "Silence of the Lambs" why don't ya... ;)

Woo I was definately way off, but I rememberd the gist of it. ;)

ok well I guess I just don't feel like my car is really a formidable "go from a dig" car,
oh well

It's not really racing then. Too many factors from a roll, like gearing, etc... there's very little if any driver's skill involved, etc...

Learn how to launch from a stop, and your car will hold up fine against most cars out there...

It's not really racing then. Too many factors from a roll, like gearing, etc... there's very little if any driver's skill involved, etc...


I'm aware of the skill of which you speak. The honk 3 times whilst focusing on pushing the gas after the 3rd honk.

It's not really racing then. Too many factors from a roll, like gearing, etc... there's very little if any driver's skill involved, etc...

Learn how to launch from a stop, and your car will hold up fine against most cars out there...
aye, tis i agree, you would be surprised how many people I beat in my little 140hp/tq prelude, because I actually learned how to launch that sucker like a champ. The bimmer I haven't worked on as much, I am relying more on it's brute force (what bit it has).


I'm aware of the skill of which you speak. The honk 3 times whilst focusing on pushing the gas after the 3rd honk.
What do you mean? That takes alot of skill, I mean the holding of the wheel, and the pressing of the gas, and possibly a shift of the gear, it requires the same concentration and skill required to drive those challeneging automatic vehicles. :)

either way congrats on the kill!

hey guys. i just joined this forum so i could get some feedback on a 2002 m3 i might purchase and happened upon this thread. just to answer some questions about the ss camaro, it will most definitely do more than 85 mph. i owned a 2001 camaro ss slightly modified and hit 110 at 12.8 in the quarter mile(3.73 rearend). i also had it up to 148 mph on I10 in alabama between pensacola and mobile. it was still pulling hard when i shut down due to traffic. 85 mph on gt3? i wouldn't tell people where you get your knowledge. :confused

hey guys. i just joined this forum so i could get some feedback on a 2002 m3 i might purchase and happened upon this thread. just to answer some questions about the ss camaro, it will most definitely do more than 85 mph. i owned a 2001 camaro ss slightly modified and hit 110 at 12.8 in the quarter mile(3.73 rearend). i also had it up to 148 mph on I10 in alabama between pensacola and mobile. it was still pulling hard when i shut down due to traffic. 85 mph on gt3? i wouldn't tell people where you get your knowledge. :confused
ummmm.......nobody asked if the camaro ss could go past 85. We all knew that already. One guy was using sarcasm when quoting GT3...........