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aks753
03-21-2005, 02:40 PM
I am debating whether to buy a PC and have a few questions on what to order if I do.

(1) What foam pad should I use to put on SG?

(2) Should I use the PC to put on Pinnacle Souveran?

(3) If so, what type of pad should I use? And, what should I use to buff the wax off?

(4) Should I buy Pinnacle Souveran paste wax or liquid?

(5) Do I really need to counterweight if I get the 7424?

uansari1
03-21-2005, 03:21 PM
Wow... check out the parked thread in the Show & Shine forum... that will answer all of your questions, and it's a good read if you're into detailing.

Also read this thread for info that will help you regarding SG:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323060

aks753
03-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Actually, the parked thread doesn't answer most of the questions, such as whether to use paste or liquid Pinnacle Souveran and what pad to use to apply wax.

hal9000
03-21-2005, 06:21 PM
I am debating whether to buy a PC and have a few questions on what to order if I do.

(1) What foam pad should I use to put on SG?

(2) Should I use the PC to put on Pinnacle Souveran?

(3) If so, what type of pad should I use? And, what should I use to buff the wax off?

(4) Should I buy Pinnacle Souveran paste wax or liquid?

(5) Do I really need to counterweight if I get the 7424?

1) Do SG by hand. PC will put it on way too thick.

2) Grey pad (finishing pad), but as $$$ as souveran is, I'd do it by hand as well, pads inherantly use more product.

3) Buff it off with a MF towel by hand. There isn't a good way to buff product off with a PC. If you want, you can do the FINAL buff with the PC and a MF bonnet, but for product removal, you need to do it by hand.

4) I'd go paste; IIRC paste gives you a more concentrated product, but it's not as easy to put on evenly when compared to liquid.

5) Depends on the pads you get, I believe the 7424 comes with a 6" counterweight. If you use smaller pads, you may need the 5" counterweight.

aks753
03-21-2005, 06:36 PM
Thanks.

Is the PC worth it for the AIO? Does it make a big difference?

Steve530
03-21-2005, 07:05 PM
Some people use a MF bonnet the apply KSG. It's suppose to give a more even coat and a thinner coat. I guess opinions vary.

I have used a MF bonnet to remove SG. It works well, but not well enough to justify buying a PC, IMHO.

I have also applied AIO with a polishing pad. This works better than hand application, IMHO. I'm not sure if it is better enough to justify the price of a PC.

The thing for which you really need a PC is to remove swirl marks. You probably can't do that by hand since you literally have to level the paint. But once it's swirl-free, proper maintenance will minimize new swirl marks. David's post says that you should polish once and use proper washing technique so tht you never have to polish again.

In summary, a PC is great for removing paint defects. If you have one you can use it to apply and remove sealants and waxes, too. It's nice to have if you can afford it.

hal9000
03-22-2005, 02:30 AM
Some people use a MF bonnet the apply KSG. It's suppose to give a more even coat and a thinner coat. I guess opinions vary.

I have used a MF bonnet to remove SG. It works well, but not well enough to justify buying a PC, IMHO.

I have also applied AIO with a polishing pad. This works better than hand application, IMHO. I'm not sure if it is better enough to justify the price of a PC.

The thing for which you really need a PC is to remove swirl marks. You probably can't do that by hand since you literally have to level the paint. But once it's swirl-free, proper maintenance will minimize new swirl marks. David's post says that you should polish once and use proper washing technique so tht you never have to polish again.

In summary, a PC is great for removing paint defects. If you have one you can use it to apply and remove sealants and waxes, too. It's nice to have if you can afford it.

My argument is that you can't put it on thin enough unless you're doing it by hand. Besides, to get better optics, you want to do horizontal surfaces forward and back, and vertical surfaces up and down. It'll enhance the shine.

Proper maint. will minimize swirl marks, but if you drive your car, it's going to get swirls and scratches - it's the nature of enjoying the car. I believe David says that you can bring your polishing down to once or twice a year.

AIO with a polishing pad or cutting pad is much better for removing oxidation or other issues that can't be quickly solved by hand. You could do the entire car by hand including swirl removal, but plan on spending 6 months doing it.....