Well it was like 12:30 last night and I saw a black Audi turn in front of me w/ a woman driving the car. I caught up, hoping for an S4, and got what I was hoping for. The woman was clearly drunk, so I did not really want to mess with her. I passed them and a little bit down the reaod she tried to run past be when I went WOT in 4th w/ no downshift and easily caught back up and passed her. We went down a long streach of perfect "racing road" (no traffic, no red lights, etc.), but she did not do anything until right before the road ended at a downtown red light. When we stopped at the red light she gave me the finger, and said somethig along the lines of "This thing is fast huh? (refering to her b/f's Audi)." Her b/f was in the passenger seat. I said something along the lines of "This thing is kinda quick too." She kinda gave me the yeah...ok treatment. The light turned green and she stomped it. I wait a second then floored it. By the end of third gear I was way ahead of her, then I slowed and she did the ole fly-by. We stopped at the next redlight and she was like "This is fun huh?" We were inthe left turn lane, and were turning to the bridge going over the Savannah River from downtown Augusta. She was like "Hold on and let us swith drivers." Her and her b/f switched places and he said "Do you want to race over the bridge?" I said sure. We turned, and pulled up the redlight at the bridge. It turned green, and I waited to hear his turbo spool and then I floored it (I gave him a little jump). In every single gear I pulled on him, and by 100 mph I was probably around 10-12 car lengths ahead. I tell ya...a turbo and hearing it spool is a beautiful thing, but it is not as beautiful as hearing it fade off into the distance, to silence, as a result of your NA car.

***Also to clarify...I meant SEDAN in the thread title (I was typing qucikly b/c I was leaving my house and was just trying to clarify b/t the sedan and hatchback.)

There is no such thing as a 2001 S4 coupe

Good run, but why would you encourage drunk drivers? :confused I'd sooner call 911 than race 'em.

For you to pull that hard it was probably auto, or maybe a badly driven stick (because the drivers were drunk...). Stock for stock, the manual versions of each car usually get ETs and traps in the same area.

There is no such thing as a 2001 S4 coupe

I was gonna let it go. But, yeah, there's no coupe. There's no convertible. Just a four-door hardtop.

There is no such thing as a 2001 S4 coupe

my bad, i meant 4-door, sorry I was just trying to clarify b/t the hatchback and sedan.

Good run, but why would you encourage drunk drivers? :confused I'd sooner call 911 than race 'em.

For you to pull that hard it was probably auto, or maybe a badly driven stick (because the drivers were drunk...). Stock for stock, the manual versions of each car usually get ETs and traps in the same area.

The guy that switched was not drunk...I sure as hell don't know why the g/f was driving after she had been drinking while he was sober. Also, we stopped to talk after, and his was a stick. BTW my car is far from stock.....

He was also talking about how he was waiting to get the car off warrenty before starting to mod it. He is planning on a chip and exhaust in the near future.

The guy that switched was not drunk...I sure as hell don't know why the g/f was driving after she had been drinking while he was sober. Also, we stopped to talk after, and his was a stick. BTW my car is far from stock.....

He was also talking about how he was waiting to get the car off warrenty before starting to mod it. He is planning on a chip and exhaust in the near future.

Yeah my next question was going to be if your car was stock or not. What mods have you done?

good kill...i thought those cars were quick, and u pulled 10 CL's? lol nice

Yeah my next question was going to be if your car was stock or not. What mods have you done?

Cams, M50 Manifold, 24 lb injectors, Conforti/Eurosport CAI, Shark Injector, UUC Underdrive pulleys, Fan Delete, AA Gen 3 Exhaust, Euro HFM, and AA SSK (I think thats all of it)...Those are the only things that would help in the race, but I have a few other things...mostly aesthetic.

good kill...i thought those cars were quick, and u pulled 10 CL's? lol nice

Yeah I was really surprised, but you def. gotta watch out for chipped one's b/c it doesn't take anything but a chip to get a stock FI car a huge hp gain.

Speaking of that...what kinda power are you (vandys4) putting down?

A stock S4 is slower than a M3 in my experience, I was looking to buy one after discouraged by the crappy condition E36 M3s for sale in Atlanta... I really did not like it. I have a 2000 A4 1.8T that has a chip and it feels close in speed. The S4 sounds and in a straight line feels like a upscale M3, in the turns it is a different story but that is not what I am trying to get at. I think you pulled on him, but when and if he gets a GIAC or APR chip it will be a blood bath. Bad news with the chips are the wear on the turbos, it is $5000 to get the K03s replaced (hence why I waited to find a nice M3).

nice kill man, watch out for those chipped ones....they put down close to 366ft/lbs of torque, with GIAC chip :eek:

Yeah I was really surprised, but you def. gotta watch out for chipped one's b/c it doesn't take anything but a chip to get a stock FI car a huge hp gain.

Speaking of that...what kinda power are you (vandys4) putting down?

I haven't dyno'd my car yet, but I found a dyno from an older revision of the APR code. This was done when APR was a step or two behind GIAC, but APR has stepped it up quite a bit with the v5.0 code that I'm running.

Here's the old code's dyno. This is with a chip and catback.

http://www.northtexasaudigroup.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=20677

If the image doesn't work, it shows 268awhp and 347awtq.

Holy torque batman! :eek:

I fixed the title for you...

I fixed the title for you...

Thanks...

s4 with revo software are the quickest. And reguarding the coment about turbo failure it is somewhat true but why spend $5000 on factory turbos when you can get RSK04 for quite a bit less. Then we're talking active autowerke stage 2 turbo hp numbers. But where the s4 tranny leaves of the the m3 drive train only begins to accell. The s4 units can't really handle that kind of torque for too long, and when tha happens your pocket book is gonna really get dinged.

A lot of people I know say they drive stick just as well as when they are drunk as sober.. I am not in the car with them of course. I am not talking about really really drunk tho.

A lot of people I know say they drive stick just as well as when they are drunk as sober.. I am not in the car with them of course. I am not talking about really really drunk tho.

Drunk people say a lot of things that arn't true...

In no way can anything one does drunk, compare to what they do sober.

s4 with revo software are the quickest. And reguarding the coment about turbo failure it is somewhat true but why spend $5000 on factory turbos when you can get RSK04 for quite a bit less. Then we're talking active autowerke stage 2 turbo hp numbers. But where the s4 tranny leaves of the the m3 drive train only begins to accell. The s4 units can't really handle that kind of torque for too long, and when tha happens your pocket book is gonna really get dinged.

Revo B5 S4s are the quickest? I don't think you know what you're talking about. There's a fast REVO-software-based tuner S4 out there, but the "off the shelf" Revo code has definitely not been proven to be faster than anything else. GIAC is the accepted fastest. For B6 S4s, yeah, Revo is the best for now.

Do AA turbo E36 M3s have stock rods, pistons, etc.?

Do AA turbo E36 M3s have stock rods, pistons, etc.?

As far as I know, most AA turbo people lower their compression with a head gasket spacer from AA. It is a copper spacer that raises the head about 2mm (depending on your head gasket set up). The result is more volume and less compression. Most high horsepower, custom turbos do the whole engine rebuild thing though.

Where did you get your s50 manifold? I can't find one and I want one I want one I want one...

Where did you get your s50 manifold? I can't find one and I want one I want one I want one...

Opps...I meant M50 manifold (don't know why I typed S50...maybe b/c I was looking at a post about the S50B32). I know BMP does sell an individual throttle body manifold though.

s4 with revo software are the quickest. And reguarding the coment about turbo failure it is somewhat true but why spend $5000 on factory turbos when you can get RSK04 for quite a bit less. Then we're talking active autowerke stage 2 turbo hp numbers. But where the s4 tranny leaves of the the m3 drive train only begins to accell. The s4 units can't really handle that kind of torque for too long, and when tha happens your pocket book is gonna really get dinged.

Aparently you have no idea what you are talking about. The fastest cars (with stock internals) are the GIAC cars tuned by moss and piggie. They are using hybrid turbos (k04/k16s).

The S4 tranny is also nice and stout. One of my best friends has a full blown stage 3 car and he has 200+ 6000rpm dumps on his stock tranny (spec stage 2/3 clutch).

The cars become unreliable when you mistreat them.

s4's are pretty cool but put two turbos on a m3 or even a 325is and the bmw would blow it away chipped or not. what does audi make na that can compete. there rs6 barely holds up with the e39 m5. :redspot

s4's are pretty cool but put two turbos on a m3 or even a 325is and the bmw would blow it away chipped or not. what does audi make na that can compete. there rs6 barely holds up with the e39 m5. :redspot

You make a good point, but the S4 is barely modded. Just a simple turbo swap will yield ~500 hp.

What does audi make? Well...the new Rs4 will be a nice n/a contender for wahtever argument you might make. 420hp 8250 redline. Yummy.

How about the b6 s4? 330hp of n/a fun. Gives e46 m3s a run for their money. (straight line - edge goes to the m3)

WHAT IS IN THE NEW S4 WITH 420 HP. OR THE ONE WITH 330 HP :redspot

WHAT IS IN THE NEW S4 WITH 420 HP. OR THE ONE WITH 330 HP :redspot
Sorry...my last post was a typo. It is 340 hp.

The 420 hp version will be the new RS4. It has been confirmed that they will bring it to the states. This is not your typical S4....

AUDI'S ARE OK BUT STILL NO MATCH FOR ANY BMW. MY ONLY ARGUMENT IS N/A IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT COMPARISON THEN F/I. MY GIRLFRIEND HAS A 1.8T 2002 JETTA SO IT HAS 180HP I LOVE MORE THAN ANYTHING THE SOUND OF A TURBO ON A GAS AND A DIESEL. THEY SOUND AWESOME :buttrock BUT WHEN COMPARING F/I TO N/A YOU HAVE TO THINK WHAT WOULD THE N/A CAR DO IF IT HAD A SUPERCHARGER OR TURBO. AS LONG AS THE LITERS OF A CAR ARE SOMEWHERE CLOSE LIKE A TURBO'D M3 AGAINST A VETTE THAT IS OK OR A S4 AGAINST A VETTE. OK ALSO JUST A 2.7 TT AGAINST A 3.2 IS NOT FAIR IN SOME WAYS ALTHOUGH A M3 DOES WIN. :redspot

AUDI'S ARE OK BUT STILL NO MATCH FOR ANY BMW. MY ONLY ARGUMENT IS N/A IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT COMPARISON THEN F/I. MY GIRLFRIEND HAS A 1.8T 2002 JETTA SO IT HAS 180HP I LOVE MORE THAN ANYTHING THE SOUND OF A TURBO ON A GAS AND A DIESEL. THEY SOUND AWESOME :buttrock BUT WHEN COMPARING F/I TO N/A YOU HAVE TO THINK WHAT WOULD THE N/A CAR DO IF IT HAD A SUPERCHARGER OR TURBO. AS LONG AS THE LITERS OF A CAR ARE SOMEWHERE CLOSE LIKE A TURBO'D M3 AGAINST A VETTE THAT IS OK OR A S4 AGAINST A VETTE. OK ALSO JUST A 2.7 TT AGAINST A 3.2 IS NOT FAIR IN SOME WAYS ALTHOUGH A M3 DOES WIN. :redspot


Is it really that difficult to reach for the cap lock button?

the RS4 is gonna be my car in 3-4yrs!!

Did not even notice. That is all you have to say though.

AUDI'S ARE OK BUT STILL NO MATCH FOR ANY BMW. MY ONLY ARGUMENT IS N/A IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT COMPARISON THEN F/I. MY GIRLFRIEND HAS A 1.8T 2002 JETTA SO IT HAS 180HP I LOVE MORE THAN ANYTHING THE SOUND OF A TURBO ON A GAS AND A DIESEL. THEY SOUND AWESOME :buttrock BUT WHEN COMPARING F/I TO N/A YOU HAVE TO THINK WHAT WOULD THE N/A CAR DO IF IT HAD A SUPERCHARGER OR TURBO. AS LONG AS THE LITERS OF A CAR ARE SOMEWHERE CLOSE LIKE A TURBO'D M3 AGAINST A VETTE THAT IS OK OR A S4 AGAINST A VETTE. OK ALSO JUST A 2.7 TT AGAINST A 3.2 IS NOT FAIR IN SOME WAYS ALTHOUGH A M3 DOES WIN. :redspot

Ok...how about my 1.8 against an E46 M3? Is that a fair race? What you are saying makes no sense. The 1.8t comes with 150-180 hp from the factory. The bimmers are 180+ hp. They are marketed directly to the same customers and are very comparable vehicles. I've thought about what you said, and it doesnt make any sense.

I put about three lengths on a bone stock B5 S4 from a 5 mph - 90 mph run. I am modded. Bone Stock M3 > Bons stock S4, but Modded S4 > Modded M3.

by the way they do make S4 verts now

by the way they do make S4 verts now

Yes, they made a few, but not any more.

How about the b6 s4? 330hp of n/a fun. Gives e46 m3s a run for their money. (straight line - edge goes to the m3)

It was faster 'round topgear's track even being slower in a straight line. :buttrock

It was faster 'round topgear's track even being slower in a straight line. :buttrock

Exactly....cue the complainers saying how the m3 "wins in the twisties".

If I had to pick, I'd have the bimmer. Tired of audi, want something new.

Yes, they made a few, but not any more.


mmart: Do you know what the production #s or importation #s of the S4 verts were? I didn't realize with the B7 debut that they were already discontinuing these. It might be something I am interested in picking up (over a sedan) if they are really rare.

mmart: Do you know what the production #s or importation #s of the S4 verts were? I didn't realize with the B7 debut that they were already discontinuing these. It might be something I am interested in picking up (over a sedan) if they are really rare.

I dont know exact production numbers, but I'm sure a search would yield some results. If I were you, I'd get an Avant. Much nicer then the vert.

I dont know exact production numbers, but I'm sure a search would yield some results. If I were you, I'd get an Avant. Much nicer then the vert.

Thanks mmart. I've had an A4 Avant, and my Dad drives a B5 S4 Avant tip I found for him. I like them a great deal but I have been sort of looking for an open top car. I was going to sell my 02 A4 for a B6 S4, but I just never did it...I always liked the vert and I've seen S4 versions a few times here in Hawaii, but I haven't researched them much. I'll wait to see the new RS4 (the pricetag), or maybe try and find a used RS6 (there are a few here), if not the vert might be a choice for me. They are not as sporty I know, but I have 2 Mcoupes so I need the lux more than the sport.

Thanks mmart. I've had an A4 Avant, and my Dad drives a B5 S4 Avant tip I found for him. I like them a great deal but I have been sort of looking for an open top car. I was going to sell my 02 A4 for a B6 S4, but I just never did it...I always liked the vert and I've seen S4 versions a few times here in Hawaii, but I haven't researched them much. I'll wait to see the new RS4 (the pricetag), or maybe try and find a used RS6 (there are a few here), if not the vert might be a choice for me. They are not as sporty I know, but I have 2 Mcoupes so I need the lux more than the sport.

I have major avant envy. I'd expect the RS4 to be around 70k. Lotta car for a lotta money. The S4 vert is fun, but I dont know...its not a car I truely desire.

I have a full cam, euro hfm, full exhaust and 60 shot and nitrous on my m3 and it is slightly faster than my stage 2+ s4 on 100 octane (APR v5.0). Stock for stock the cars were near dead even my brother would drive the m and i would win and vice versa. The feel of the 2 cars are completely opposite high rpm versus turbo thrust. Love them both.

first of all the audi rs6 kills an e39 m in every category. In fact the rs6 is in the same category as the new e55 and the new v10 m5. They are all 12 second cars where the e39 m is clearly a 13 second car, no comparesen. By the way rs4's are turbo, they are 2.7tt just like s4 but they come with ko4 turbos stock and a bunch of other goodies. The b6 s4 is slower then the e46 m3 in the quarter but of the road coarse the m3 got beat by nearly one second. Its on video at Top Gear Great Britain. Either way you look at it german cars are the way to go, its just a matter of which one suits you the best. Happy Motoring

A chipped B5 S4 will yield ~320 crank HP. And it doesn't cost $5000 to replace the K03 turbos - it won't cost any more than $2000-$2500 for a K04 conversion and K03s are cheaper.

Competition for a NA BMW? B6 S4 4.2l V8 - 340HP. An E36 M3 will have about half a car length or less on a 1/4 drag but a B6 S4 will provail through the turns of a track. Both cars are relatively equal performance wise, but BMWs, in my opinion, are better built and certainly more reliable. However, I live in New England and quattro is amazing :)

In conclusion: both cars are incredible machines :)

I don't own either but I have a 2001 Audi A4 1.8T and it's a great car; I'm very happy with it.

it won't cost any more than $2000-$2500 for a K04 conversion and K03s are cheaper.

Maybe for the turbos alone. But you also need new inlet pipes, fueling upgrades and software. I'd personally buy the APR Stage 3 kit. That weighs in over $8000 in parts alone. But 450+ hp and the ability to have fun with 996tts is very appealing. :buttrock

Competition for a NA BMW? B6 S4 4.2l V8 - 340HP. An E36 M3 will have about half a car length or less on a 1/4 drag but a B6 S4 will provail through the turns of a track.


You mean E46 M3, right? Stock E36 M3 doesnt stand a chance against a B6 S4.