I've just started reading about the upcoming E90 M3. Rumors say 400+ HP with a V8. Do you think this car will be as sought after as the E46 when it first came out? In other words, dealers charging over invoice; people paying for a place in line, etc?

Was that craziness widespread with the E46/ Or were the sales for a place in line that I saw on Ebay just a few isolated incidents? Did that happen with the E36/E30?

I'm tempted to put some money down now just to ensure a place in line. Crazy or not crazy? The theory being if I don't want the car somebody else will take over the deal in my place.

Yes.

I'll wait 'till BMW confirms it's going to get a V8. You never know...

as long as it looks good...


if it is as ass ugly as the 4 door e90 i will be running away from bmw crying.

but the v8 is long overdue thanks to competition from s4 and c55.

if it looks gross i'd just as soon toss in a hamann v8 or an m5 engine into the e46...

E90 M3 is hot.

43298672734589 threads about said E90 M3 is not hot.

i dunno if its a v8 it would be kina weird...the M has always been a I6 now a v8 :confused weird....but im sure it will be good in the performance category...and hopefully it wont may too much more then the currrent M3

i dunno if its a v8 it would be kina weird...the M has always been a I6 now a v8 :confused weird....but im sure it will be good in the performance category...and hopefully it wont may too much more then the currrent M3
Actually, the E30 was a 4 cylinder. Was it weird when the E36 went with a 6 cylinder? Was it weird when the E39 M5 went to a V8 (from an I6) and now to a V10 in the E60? Sometimes, change can be a good thing.

I wonder about the weight distribution will ruin the handling.

I am lukewarm about the new look...its not as bad as the 5er or 7er... but still kinda weird

The new V8 is supposed to be very light. I don't think there will be a problem with the front end of the car being too heavy.

yes the car will be sought after a lot by enthusiasts and posers alike. people will buy anything with a bmw roundel on it it seems, no matter how ugly these cars keep getting.

The new V8 is supposed to be very light. I don't think there will be a problem with the front end of the car being too heavy.
werd. and that word is technology. advancements in manufactoring can allow for better engineering marvels!!! i.e. lighter engines...

just like the corvette ls1 weighs about the same as the e30 I6, thats why you can drop one in so easily.

The new V8 is supposed to be very light. I don't think there will be a problem with the front end of the car being too heavy.


I read that BMW is now using a mid-engine design for the new M-cars (similar to the rx7), where the engine is placed behind the front axle for better weight distribution. This makes the car technically mid-engined with perfect weight distribution.

here is the picture of the new e90 m3
that whip is hot better body than the e46 m3
http://www.discountpartcenter.com/photos/08-06-04page-BMW-M3-e90.htm :eyecrazy

here is the picture of the new e90 m3
that whip is hot better body than the e46 m3
http://www.discountpartcenter.com/photos/08-06-04page-BMW-M3-e90.htm :eyecrazy
important part is that it could be... not that it is

This could be what the next generation BMW M3 code named e90 might look like, our sources indicate that the new BMW will be powered by a V8 borrowed form the E39 BMW M5.

well true :) but still if it is is a hot ride u gotta admit that :)

I'll wait 'till BMW confirms it's going to get a V8. You never know...

I would like to know If you dare to drive a new e90 in Buenos Aires. :loco:

I hope the New M3 looks like the red one on the pic! I would definately get it by 2008 after bugs are fixed!:shhh:

it looks like it has the m3 competition package wheels

I think it's AMAZING I'll definitely have one in my driveway once they come out. I am not gonna stand in line for the privelage to buy any car. I'll take Euro delivery first.

:devillook

:evil2

BWM needs to do something to keep up with the damn cars nowadays. They've stated numerous times they're not going to turn to FI, so AT LEAST throw start making sick V8 motors...sheesh.

Has anybody heard the rumors for the new Cobras? 550+HP is the word.




I've seen reports of the new Cobra being rated at 456hp. They are still planning on pricing it in the mid 30 thousand dollar range. There's no way that Chevy would let the Cobra pack more power than their coveted LS7 Z06, which will make a rumored 512hp underrated to 500hp.

The new Cobra is supposed to use the 5.4L found in the Lightning. Just what I've heard.

And yes, a V8 M3 would be cool IMO.

The Cobra will have an aluminum 5.4L V8 with either SOHC 3V or DOHC 4V heads and a Whipple twin screw blower. I expect around 450 hp, but with intake, exhaust, chip and pulley I would expect 750 or so hp at the crank.

The limit on the old Cobra was the blower. The engine can support 700 hp, but the blower is too hot past 500. With the whipple, thats not an issue.

So do you think it's stupid to order the car now to lock in MSRP? If I decide to not buy it, will there be any problem getting somebody else to take my place, first in line?

I do not think you would have any problem selling your place in line. I do wish BMW would go with a turbo 6 instead of the v8 as it would be so much better for hopping up (ie Supra or cobra) these maxed out n/a motors are not a good start for performance increases and if you go that route it is very very expensive to do. We took a cobra slapped on a pulley and a chip and got 485whp for about 450.00 total.

i know they have no choice BUT to beef up the engines in some way....they cant possibly go 6 cylinder or they will be so far behind the other companies it would be rediculous...a FI I6 would be hot...but who knows when bimmer will go turbo again, probably when they get some1 in there that understands the demand for FI these days...people arent about stock cars, they wanna do stuff to them, and FI is perfect, and they can make a lot of money with little "scams" by like upping boost by like 1 psi in like 3 yrs from now and make a claim for new hp ratings...i dunno thats how i see it, a v8 will SOUND very sexy and im sure it will perform very much like the old m5, but i still dont think thats enough compared to audi and mb now a days...i dont know...im just hoping for the best...and that the design of the m3 is not completely destroyed

i f they really want to sell these just put in the V8 with twin turbo set at about 650 hp. I will have my name on the list no matter what the ugly thing looks like.

Very Hot

I personally would want bmw to produce something a little lighter and more agile rather than shoving v8's v10's v12's v16's into their cars. The newer M3's already turns like a pig with all that weight...why add more? The m3 is turning into a tourer...which disappoints me. I say they keep developing the I6 and try to lose some of that damn weight....

you cant keep developing an i-6 though...its gonna get to the point u just CANNOT no matter what get more out of it unless you go turbo...which they wont do anytime soon...and the one thing i dont like about these new v10 and v8's...WHERES THE TQ!!!

I think the current engine is already pretty darn good...minus the explosions and the rasp...

I wish tehy would spend money on weigh reduction and sharpening up the car instead of making it fatter and more power (pointless?)

http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5886/unbenannt36fq.jpg

I found the above article on the M5 board. It says the M3 will have a 415hp V8 with a 7spd SMG.

I personally would want bmw to produce something a little lighter and more agile rather than shoving v8's v10's v12's v16's into their cars. The newer M3's already turns like a pig with all that weight...why add more? The m3 is turning into a tourer...which disappoints me. I say they keep developing the I6 and try to lose some of that damn weight....

The size/displacement/# of cylinders doesnt have much correlation with the weight of the engine.

For example, the S62 V8 out of the last gen. M5/Z8 weighs a tad LESS than the S54 M3 motor. Its all in the use of aluminum vs. cast iron.

With that said, they need an all aluminum V8 in the next gen. car. I'd like to see an M3 with some torque.

after all the gt4 threads all i can say is.

Produce a damn roadgoing m3gtr as the e90 m3. Its already done, its faster, its better, everyone wants one... i mean why bother with a new design?

They did.... But I don't think you were going to pay 350,000 USD (250K euro) for that :D

Is it just me or do all the stalker shots of the M3 make it look like a 2 - door new-gen Acura TL?
And lets remember why BMW is using an inline 6 vs a V8, IT IS SMOOTHER! The inline design is by no means as effiecient as a V6 or else, it simply is smooth and great for shifting. The inline 6 should not die, and BMW lack of use of OEM FI is odd compared with MB. Put in a FI lightweight I6 with Valvetronic and watch the venerated M3 kick some ass. Comon, i mean I6 is what 3 series is all about isnt it?

and more agile rather than shoving v8's v10's v12's v16's into their cars. The newer M3's already turns like a pig with all that weight...why add more? The m3 is turning into a tourer...which disappoints me. I say they keep developing the I6 and try to lose some of that damn weight....
:confused :confused :confused :confused

you don't think m3's need to lose some weight?

you don't think m3's need to lose some weight?
i think the driver needs to lose some weight
:rofl

Did you guys read in the latest roundel, even though the new E90 engines are lighter, the cars are STILL getting heavier. :( -- I mean that is WITHOUT options, the E90 330i and 325i are heavier than its predecessors.
The E90 is something like 3" wider, 2" longer, etc. Basically, cars are getting bigger and have a crapload of electronic gadgets associated with them now.

You might have 255 hp; but, with 94,000 computer calculations a second, ECU won't let you use it ... only way they had fun was turning off everything ... which, most sane people will not do on the street.

I personally would want bmw to produce something a little lighter and more agile rather than shoving v8's v10's v12's v16's into their cars. The newer M3's already turns like a pig with all that weight...why add more? The m3 is turning into a tourer...which disappoints me. I say they keep developing the I6 and try to lose some of that damn weight....
Sounds like you need to forget the E90 M3 and wait for the M2. 2-series is 2-door coupe version of the 1-series. M2 is expected to have either 2.5L or 3.0L six. If 3.0L then expect 300bhp+ in a car that's smaller and lighter than the E46. Some rumours are saying turbocharged 4, but I'd like to see inline six. If it's a 300bhp+ inline six, then who really needs the E90 M3 anyway?

http://test.phark.net/m2.gif

Sounds like you need to forget the E90 M3 and wait for the M2. 2-series is 2-door coupe version of the 1-series. M2 is expected to have either 2.5L or 3.0L six. If 3.0L then expect 300bhp+ in a car that's smaller and lighter than the E46. Some rumours are saying turbocharged 4, but I'd like to see inline six. If it's a 300bhp+ inline six, then who really needs the E90 M3 anyway?

http://test.phark.net/m2.gif

if that rumour is true then sign me up =)

MaloventEvil: I weigh 170lbs and I'm 6-2...i think i've done my share of weight reduction...shouldn't bmw?

Ugly, looks like BMW is building cars for the general public on the McD's diet :rolleyes

as long as it looks good...


if it is as ass ugly as the 4 door e90 i will be running away from bmw crying.

but the v8 is long overdue thanks to competition from s4 and c55.

if it looks gross i'd just as soon toss in a hamann v8 or an m5 engine into the e46...

Sounds like you want the Hartge H50. Quite a scary car from what I've heard.

like 3" wider, 2" longer, etc. Basically, cars are getting bigger and have a crapload of electronic gadgets associated with them now.

You might have 255 hp; but, with 94,000 computer calculations a second, ECU won't let you use it ... only way they had fun was turning off everything ... which, most sane people will not do on the street.

The E90 is bigger so that the 1 series can slot in between it and the Mini. The 1 series is BMW's new entry level model and the 3er is moving slightly upmarket.

Maybe Kristy Alley will be their new spokes model?

if that rumour is true then sign me up =)
Well we can't be sure it will be called a 2-series.... some people are saying 2-series and some are saying BMW have dropped the 2-series idea, just like they dropped the 4-series name for the 2-door version of the E90. So the 2-door version of the 1-series might still be called a 1-series.

We also can't be sure it will be anything like the picture.... but BMW have said there will be a 2-door version of the 1-series.

BMW have already announced the 130i - the 1-series powered by a lightweight 24v Inline-6 with 255bhp.

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=126060
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/previews,view,BMW.spy?artid=36002

So at the very least we should see a 255bhp (or better) 2-door version of the 130i (230i?), but rumours suggest an M version too. That suggests 100bhp/litre = 300bhp+. Expect the E90 M3 (with 400bhp+) to have better power/weight than the lighter M2 (with 300bhp+), so that the M2 doesn't hurt sales of the M3.

One quote I found interesting: "The 130i has lapped the Nürburgring in eight minutes, 35 seconds, just 20 seconds shy of the 3.2-liter 343-hp M3".

Expect the E90 M3 and 130i to be released first, before an official announcement of the M2.... or whatever it's called. Hopefully they won't be reusing the M1 name... there's one M1 and this isn't it's replacement.

Why am I now picturing a FI 130i?

Well we can't be sure it will be called a 2-series.... some people are saying 2-series and some are saying BMW have dropped the 2-series idea, just like they dropped the 4-series name for the 2-door version of the E90. So the 2-door version of the 1-series might still be called a 1-series.

We also can't be sure it will be anything like the picture.... but BMW have said there will be a 2-door version of the 1-series.

BMW have already announced the 130i - the 1-series powered by a lightweight 24v Inline-6 with 255bhp.

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=126060
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/previews,view,BMW.spy?artid=36002

So at the very least we should see a 255bhp (or better) 2-door version of the 130i (230i?), but rumours suggest an M version too. That suggests 100bhp/litre = 300bhp+. Expect the E90 M3 (with 400bhp+) to have better power/weight than the lighter M2 (with 300bhp+), so that the M2 doesn't hurt sales of the M3.

One quote I found interesting: "The 130i has lapped the Nürburgring in eight minutes, 35 seconds, just 20 seconds shy of the 3.2-liter 343-hp M3".

Expect the E90 M3 and 130i to be released first, before an official announcement of the M2.... or whatever it's called. Hopefully they won't be reusing the M1 name... there's one M1 and this isn't it's replacement.

dude..u're getting me excited =)

if it is a 2 door 2 series weighing less than 3000lbs with 300hp...i'm game dude..even if it's under 300hp..it'll be bmw's little elise (maybe not so little compared to the elise)....

according to roundel E90 M3 will be available in a 4 door but it won't be out for 3 years or so.

after more than a year of puking on 5 series they are starting to look "OK".

you guys see the new Audi RS4 sedan? 4.2L Direct Injection V8 w/ an 8,250 rpm redline, 420 hp/400 lb ft of torque.

Watch out

dude..u're getting me excited =)

if it is a 2 door 2 series weighing less than 3000lbs with 300hp...i'm game dude..even if it's under 300hp..it'll be bmw's little elise (maybe not so little compared to the elise)....
Might not be less than 3000 lbs. Rumour says 1400 kg (3080 lbs) in euro epec for the 130i and less than 1500 kg for the M2 (or whatever they call it). BMW don't seem to have given out any official figures. Compare with similar size cars from Alfa, Audi and VW:

Alfa 147 GTA: 1385 kg
Audi A3 3.2: 1525 kg
VW Golf R32: 1550 kg

Alfa 147 GTA is FWD 2-door so expect BMW 130i to be > 1385 kg.
My guess is > 1400 kg by the time it hits the showroom.

well..1400kg is still good...i wonder if it'll look like the M coupe....i hope it uses an inline six and has a redline of 8000+