So after my friend and I hit a couple of clubs last night and getting some food at China town, we were heading home via Comm Ave [two-lane street, lights on every block.] So I was sitting at a red light in the R lane and I see these xenon lights coming up to my left. I look over at the left to see this yound guy with two girls in the car driving this fully loaded new A4 [it was debadged, but it had the sport package, I think it was a 3.0 and the guy was trying to get everyone to think it was a S4, b/c he had the little spoiler in the back and some other stuff.] I figured this should be a good run, shut off the DSC and when the light turned green, blasted off! :) He stayed back, I shift to second and wait for him in the left lane now...I look at my rear view only to see him coming hard on my right, I hold second at about 4K rmps and when he was about to do a fly by, floor it! :evil2 He grabbed a little over a cl on me but I gained it back right away and then we tested our brakes for the next light. :devillook of course I waited more before hitting the brakes [these BMW's can really stop :eek: ] Anyway, I look over at the guy, he was being a jerk, no signs of anything, so I line up at the stop line waiting for the green...he starts inching...more line yarding forward past the crosswalk, I still wait at the stop line for the green, light turns red from the other side and he takes off, I wait for my green and get a really good jump, right amount of wheel spin and everything. I started gaining on him fast, by the top of second my front was at his rear [I had just closed a 3cl gap.] So I shut down...going more than twice the speed limit with a bunch of drunk people on the road is stupid enough.

My thoughts, weight was about = I weigh about 230, my friend 165, two tiny girls in the A4 and the guy was not that big either. So I think it was an A4 3.0 auto, or a 1.8T stick, but I didn't see any signs of shifting, so I will stick with the A4 3.0 auto. That's a pretty powerful ride and should not have gotten killed like that by me if it was a stick. Any thoughts?

i have never heard of anything called audi A4 3,0....it was probably a shitty 1,8T with some high school kids thinkin neon is cool :)
i blast away from a4´s every day with my 325i...

i have never heard of anything called audi A4 3,0....it was probably a shitty 1,8T with some high school kids thinkin neon is cool :)
i blast away from a4´s every day with my 325i...

you serious? they have been out for a few years now I think it is about 220hp

you serious? they have been out for a few years now I think it is about 220hp

220hp out of a 3 litre engine? the audi engineers cant be good with this tuning stuff...or they just want the A4 too remain slow :)

Hey, I've got a 3 liter in my taurus and it only makes 200hp :help . Anyway nice kill!

220hp out of a 3 litre engine? the audi engineers cant be good with this tuning stuff...or they just want the A4 too remain slow :)

Well a BMW 330 only makes 225hp from a 3.0, so does that mean BMW doesn't know how to tune either? I think the problem with the A4's is in their weight not so much the power.

I wait for my green and get a really good jump, right amount of wheel spin and everything.
No amount of wheel spin is good.

No amount of wheel spin is good.

Not true. A little wheelspin allows the engine to stay in its power band. You need either a little wheelspin or some clutch slipping to keep the car from bogging.

Yeah. They've had 3.0L in the A4's for a year or so here in North America. As far as straight line performance, they can't match an inline 6 of BMW. I've run against one in my 328 a while back and disposed of him fairly easily. Manual vs manual (stock before my software upgrade). Should have seen the look of this guy as I passed him easily. This was off the line race to about 130km/hr. They are handicapped by their weight. Still a nice ride though. Now if there was an S in front of the 4 it would be a whole different ball game!!!!

Cdn328i

Not true. A little wheelspin allows the engine to stay in its power band. You need either a little wheelspin or some clutch slipping to keep the car from bogging.
ahhh....I choose the clutch slipping. I always ride my clutch, how most people launch their cars. I've never liked spinning my tires. But I do know some people will do that on the strip. They will have a lower 60' but a higher trap speed, because they spun their tires in the beginning. But I do know you don't want to spin/chirp your tires in 2nd.

I love to hear some of you BMW guys bag on audis, some of you guys know about cars and dont talk a whole bunch of sh*t but then there are other guys like parsham that dont know wtf they are talking about. Your little 325 will get your ass handed to you by a chipped 1.8t, trust me i do it all the time, your 2.5 is only putting out 190hp while my chipped 1.8t is putting 210hp and 250tq. Also i love bimmers so dont get me wrong but i hat dumba*ses.

I love to hear some of you BMW guys bag on audis, some of you guys know about cars and dont talk a whole bunch of sh*t but then there are other guys like parsham that dont know wtf they are talking about. Your little 325 will get your ass handed to you by a chipped 1.8t, trust me i do it all the time, your 2.5 is only putting out 190hp while my chipped 1.8t is putting 210hp and 250tq. Also i love bimmers so dont get me wrong but i hat dumba*ses.
agreed. Audis are quite capable. THey are heavy, but their engines are normally made strong enough to at least push them enough. Only thing is I'm just not a fan of Audis. I don't like their looks, but they are in no way slouches.

when i had my 330ci .. launching at 4k rpms was my fav ..

some tire spin but grabs real hard .. it was a beautiful thing.. sucks it didnt have lsd tho

I have a 3.0 A4 with 6-speed. 0-60 is about 6.9-7.1 seconds with the Quattro. The big thing with these is weight and mass...if you park next to a B6 A4, they are nearly the size of a 5 series, much larger than a 3er. Gearing is not especially low, and the Quattro system both adds weight and drivetrain loss. A 330 is quite a bit faster than these. A 1.8T is really slow IMO, and yes I did drive one for an extended amount of time.

When I was looking for a "family" car though, the overall package and value for the money, for me the Audi won hands down. Better dealer service, much much better interior, quieter, and IMO better looks, and much better wet weather handling. I just put my parents in a 2001 S4 Avant, and my Dad is in love with it (and he drives my E30 M3)

Anyway to each their own. I don't argue BMW vs. Audi, I just buy both.

I have a 3.0 A4 with 6-speed. 0-60 is about 6.9-7.1 seconds with the Quattro. The big thing with these is weight and mass...if you park next to a B6 A4, they are nearly the size of a 5 series, much larger than a 3er. Gearing is not especially low, and the Quattro system both adds weight and draintrain loss. A 330 is quite a bit faster than these. A 1.8T is really slow IMO, and yes I did drive one for an extended amount of time.

When I was looking for a "family" car though, the overall package and value for the money, for me the Audi won hands down. Better dealer service, much much better interior, quieter, and IMO better looks, and much better wet weather handling. I just put my parents in a 2001 S4 Avant, and my Dad is in love with it (and he drives my E30 M3)

Anyway to each their own. I don't argue BMW vs. Audi, I just buy both.

well said :cool

I love to hear some of you BMW guys bag on audis, some of you guys know about cars and dont talk a whole bunch of sh*t but then there are other guys like parsham that dont know wtf they are talking about. Your little 325 will get your ass handed to you by a chipped 1.8t, trust me i do it all the time, your 2.5 is only putting out 190hp while my chipped 1.8t is putting 210hp and 250tq. Also i love bimmers so dont get me wrong but i hat dumba*ses.
yeah...i wasn't going to reply to the comment about the sh!tty 1.8T, so i'll just agree with yours. my friend has a 1.8T ultrasport (FWD, not quattro), which weighs in at 3250lbs (about 35lbs lighter than the 330i). he's got APR stage 1 chip, which gives him approx. 210hp and 235tq (compare that w/ 225hp and 214tq of the 330i). btw, i went to bmwusa.com to look at the ZHP specs, and couldn't find a power/torque increase. i guess ZHP package doesn't increase power, just handling? :dunno

w/ the injectors my friend wants to put in, power and torque should jump to 230hp and 270tq. now i know this is a FWD audi, but do the math. from a stop, FWD will hurt him, but i would imagine he would eventually catch up and pass a 330i. the result from a roll would then be obvious, but still a very close race. anyways, i just wanted to add to your attempt to put things into perspective here. :D

while i doubt parham is "blasting" away from any A4's (unless they're not racing), i have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wins now and then. his 325i only weighs 3219lbs, and has 14hp and 4tq more than my friends A4 in completely stock form. also, assume that most of the A4's he came across maybe quattro's, which makes the A4 1.8T even more of a pig. even w/ the 220hp and 221tq of the A4 3.0, the quattro is nearly 400lbs heavier than his car (and the FWD 3.0l is 250lbs heavier). that being said, in stock form i think they're all pretty even.

btw, here's a link (http://www.goapr.com/Audi/products/ecu_upgrade_8ea418t.html) to APR to verify the numbers i mentioned above.

Not to just pile in and bash Audis.... 1st off.. Audis are nice cars... Most people who buy Audis buys the Quattro (I would too if I was interested in a Audi). I driven a combinations of A4 1.8, 2.8, 3.0, s4 quattros in autos and manual. They are all kinda heavy and slugglish compared to the BMW. Its fast but that is all relative

Of course, if it was modded or didn't have the Quattro, I am sure it would be faster... esp. modded... as with most cars.

zhp adds 10hp and 8tq

zhp adds 10hp and 8tq
thanks...you would think BMW had that info on their website...especially when you click on the performance package link that explains the option!

Just wanted to add...

2 chicks in A4 > your friend in a 330 any day of the week. :D :D

I can't believe you live in Boston and are bashing on a Quattro! :stickoutt Drive an Audi during the winter and you will never bash them again, hehe. If the guy was driving and auto and you launched at 4K rpms then no kidding you'd win. Audis aren't drag cars but they'll beat almost anything off the line because there is no wheel spin because of the Quattro. My 2001 A4 1.8T has 95K miles on it and the only thing it has been in the shop for is a wheel bearing that went; they are much more reliable than people make them out to be. They are really great cars... of course, that doesn't say that bmws aren't, but BMW isn't up to par with their Xi models. While Quattro won't handle as well as a Bimmer, their suspension gives you a feel of the road much better than any bimmer i've ever driven/in.

So, while I'd rather have a 330ci, both cars are great cars and if both were sticks I'd say the winner comes down to the driver... the guy driving the A4 sounds like he was an idiot.

Just my opinion, nothing more. :devillook

While Quattro won't handle as well as a Bimmer, their suspension gives you a feel of the road much better than any bimmer i've ever driven/in.


hmmm...having owned 3 Audis and about 8 bimmers. I can't say I agree with this. Audis are pretty isolated compared to Bimmers. I think Audi steering is great though, even though many accuse it of feeling dead. I think the weighting and isolation are excellent for a road car, and passable on the track.

http://www.368s.com/photos/photo001507_large.jpg

Here I am lapping in my stock A4. I had to back way off the throttle to keep from running into the rear of the TTs ( it was a lead/follow Audi track day). I am not sure if its the TTs themselves taht suck, or the drivers that buy them.

Anyway, theres no point in magazine racing an A4 and 330. The 330 is clearly faster in a drag race in the dry. But I don't know anyone who bought an A4 with the primary goal being to trounce BMWs in street races.

Yeah 330ci = 5.8 seconds to 60 with a great driver and launch.
A4 3.0 Quattro S Line = 6.8 seconds "'
A4 1.8T S Line = 8.1 ""
And i agree with just about everything yall have said.

Although with the APR chip in a 1.8 T quattro S Line you get 220 something hp and 250 something torque out of it. Add full exhaust w/ downpipes intake and intercooler and your making about 240 hp. (Audi make great power with full exhaust systems n downpipes). I have heard of 1.8's similar to that getting to 60 in under 6. My guess is that was a 1.8T with just a chip or a stock 3.0 S Line. They mimic S4 looks but lack everything else.

Stock A4s are slow, how slow?
Today at a red light, the road merges from 2 lanes to 1 about 400‘ - 500’ past the light.
Up ahead B6 A4 and Toyota highlander next to each other.
At the green, both get on it clearly trying to be ahead. (it’s a normal thing to do in Jersey)
At the end of the merge the highlander had to back off, only because his front end was at the A4’s front door.

Dammnn, you chip a audi 1.8t and you go from 180hp to 210-220, and all the way to 250tq. My freaking dinan software upgrades gave me around 8-10 hp and tq if I was lucky.

Yep looking back I should have gotten a stock FI car like the 1.8t, because I know I would have done the upgrade APR chip and full exhaust. But I love my bimmer, great ride.

Dammnn, you chip a audi 1.8t and you go from 180hp to 210-220, and all the way to 250tq. My freaking dinan software upgrades gave me around 8-10 hp and tq if I was lucky.

Yep looking back I should have gotten a stock FI car like the 1.8t, because I know I would have done the upgrade APR chip and full exhaust. But I love my bimmer, great ride.

Yeah, those turbo Audi's respond extremely well to chipping. You can get a lot more HP per dollar with a turbo. And if you have quattro, you can launch the thing like a cat - it just springs off the line with no wheelspin. They are heavy though, and lots of weight in the nose with the engine ahead of the front axle.

I'm greatly encouraged by the people in this thread, w/ the exception of the one of the first posters.

B6 A4 1.8Ts, auto or stick, are extremely slow. Racing one in any 3er, save maybe an E36 318, is like clubbing a baby seal. It's just unfair :D

The 3.0's are quicker, but by not "fast," really. Like all Audi's, they're just too heavy. The 3.0 was a nice attempt by Audi to compete with the 330, although I don't think they were trying to outperform the 3er.


O/T: While taking apart my shifter mechanism, a spring flew out in to my parking lot and is now completely lost. Can't put it all back together without the spring, so my car is just sitting in my parking lot with a big hole where the shifter would be. Sigh. Parts dept. tomorrow.

1.8t
0-60 mph in seconds

manual, FrontTrak: 7.8
manual, quattro: 8.1
auto tiptronic: 8.5

straight form audis website

330ci
Acceleration 0-60 mph
manual: 6.4
auto: 7.0

straight from bmws website so its about a 1 and half second difference with auto vs auto or manual vs manual so say what you want but the 330 is def faster.

Some of you are dangerous walking the fine line with profanity and name-calling... even creatively spelling profanity is not welcome here. You're all big boys, expand your vocabulary, please... :cop

great story, if some cops weren't such douchebags (or if i had a police scanner) i would love to do that kind of stuff.

btw, looking at stock specs, anyone have a guess as to whether an
E36 325ic or a 98+lexus gs300 would perform better?

I love to hear some of you BMW guys bag on audis, some of you guys know about cars and dont talk a whole bunch of sh*t but then there are other guys like parsham that dont know wtf they are talking about. Your little 325 will get your ass handed to you by a chipped 1.8t, trust me i do it all the time, your 2.5 is only putting out 190hp while my chipped 1.8t is putting 210hp and 250tq. Also i love bimmers so dont get me wrong but i hat dumba*ses.


First of all.....me saying that 220hp out of a 3 litres, was a joke, i wasn´t even serious....my 2,5 litres is highly modded and put well over 340hp and weighs in at 1200kg so u can bring me your chipped 1,8T and i´ll gladly hand your ass over too you.


If I dont pull at least 4 buslenghts on you I´ll give u my car

How about we end this thread now. To summarize what everyone's saying. Audi's are nice vehicles! In my opinion, they probably have the best interiors in the industry. For those people who need the AWD capability - live in the areas where there's a lot of snow, skiers, campers, boarders etc. It's hard to beat the Quattro. Remember, we're comparing these 2 German manufacturers.

Now for spirited driving/performance. And STOCK for STOCK. Unless we're talking about one of the S variants, S4, S6, and S8. It's hard to beat a non-M BMW (325, 328, 330 - 318 (sorry!!!). The weight of the Audis is just too much for the power of the 1.8T, 2.8, or the newer 3.0 - again we're talking stock. No upgraded 1.8T models, because we all know they have a ton of potential on tap.

Bottom line. Both companies make nice and capable machines. Different strokes, for different folks.

How's that??

Cdnr328i

Agreed, this one has run it's course.