i was driving to the video store with my friends last night and i saw this pretty nice looking blue GT. it had crome wheels and whatnot, so i merged over to get in the middle lane, as he was in the far right, and was playing around with him a little.

all of a sudden he floors it and my bumper is 1/2 cl from his rear bumper. i floored it after him, but nobody pulled up untill we shut it down at about 95mph.

if i had gotten a better start it would have been more even i think, but i didn't know he was willing to play untill he went WOT.
i think it must have been an auto, i can't see myself being able to match a manual GT.

then we stopped at a light and he was lurching forward... the light changed and i took off... he didn't. either his girlfriend or friend in his car told him not to, or he had a police scanner that told him not to. but it was fun playing around.

Nice run!

Just wanted say cool car! My Dad had one of those back in the day. If memory serves, was one the quicker bimmers of it's time, no?

Nice run!

Just wanted say cool car! My Dad had one of those back in the day. If memory serves, was one the quicker bimmers of it's time, no?

oh yeah, definately one of the quickest bimmers in the late 80's... untill they moved on from the e28 that is... it runs 16.2's now and is almost 20 years old, they are supposed to run 16.1's brand new... so they are definately better built than any mustang :evil2 !

thanks for the complement too! i'm hoping to put in new valve seals soon. i just had a compression check and all 6 cyl were almost perfect (amazing at 160k miles (60K of pure hard driving))! after the vavle seals im going for an intercooled turbo setup and either a 3.43LSD or maybe a 3.73... probably the first though... then i'll definately be able to compete with mustangs! :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock

i totally agree, my cousin has a mustang GT, while a nice car (and a bit faster than mine), it's very touchy and rough. it's an auto, but i dunno, it is a cheap car in my opinion. (now a 2005 GT, that's a completely different story)
my friend works at a dealership and took one to gas up the other day, it was an AT but he had it to 95 in no time.... pure white car, that's just pure sex. if only it were a manual.......

I have a sneeking suspicion that he thought he would lose off the line, even though i was behind him the whole time in the first race, he was probably surprised that he didn't lose me!

3.73 is a great combo with that motor. You will probably be amazed at the difference just that mod will make to your driver :cool

yeah those new ones are much more impressive. I was at a dyno day for a mustang club in NoVA. I think one of the owners was saying that hte new ones were putting down 275 to the wheels stock.

I think one of the owners was saying that hte new ones were putting down 275 to the wheels stock.

That sounds right, since they are rated at just 300hp. Factor in driveline loss, and 275. That's very respectable for a GT, better than earlier Cobra's...well not 03-04s, but mid 90s cars.

Flame away, but I really like the new Mustangs.

That sounds right, since they are rated at just 300hp. Factor in driveline loss, and 275. That's very respectable for a GT, better than earlier Cobra's...well not 03-04s, but mid 90s cars.

Flame away, but I really like the new Mustangs.

No flaming here, I like the new Mustangs....plus they are trapping 103+ in the qaurter mile :buttrock

....its unrefined power. and a very cheap car too !

Yeah, aint it great!!

Some of you guys are just itchin' to get this one locked too. Soon its gonna be to where you simply cannot have a thread with an American car (Vette's and Vipers not included) beating a bimmer. Kinda sad. :(

Yeah, aint it great!!

Some of you guys are just itchin' to get this one locked too. Soon its gonna be to where you simply cannot have a thread with an American car (Vette's and Vipers not included) beating a bimmer. Kinda sad. :(
Phanta-Z in the short time I've been hanging out in the Kill Stories section I'm starting to see what you mean. It is getting pretty ridiculous.

But just in my opinion, I think the GT's are worthless cars (except for the new ones). But Mustangs Cobras and Saleens I like. But the V6 and GTs are just playing off the mustang name to me.

(enter sarcasm) Why don't you american dirtbags just pack up and leave? :D

yeah it is pretty pathetic :confused the gt is not my favorite "american muscle car" and i think its overrated, but i will defend an fbody till i die...i love those cars so much, they are underrated and such amazing performance cars...in fact im getting an 00 ws6 this summer :buttrock :buttrock

I mean I agree with you guys, the GT's, since 1996, have not been exactly the premier American muscle car. Im not particularly fond of them in their stock or even lightly modded form. However, with the business I'm in, its not what it is, its what it could be. :evil2

Didn't the 94+ GT's still run mid to high 14's (maybe 15's with a bad driver?)? I had a 98 that ran 14's stock... I would have never seen myself losing to a 16 second Bimmer, even from a roll. I'm not flaming, just saying. What year range was the one you raced?

However, the new(er) models are much more respectable, and the 03-04 Cobras (I had one, for a few months) are a blast to drive. Mid 12's out of the box (although the best I could pull on stock tires was a 12.98 @ 110, but that was only out of 2 track runs ever with it) for $33k, and less than $1000 in mods and you can see 11's.

Anyway, nice race, it's always fun to have a friendly run now and then between luxury and American sports cars.

Didn't the 94+ GT's still run mid to high 14's (maybe 15's with a bad driver?)? I had a 98 that ran 14's stock... I would have never seen myself losing to a 16 second Bimmer, even from a roll. I'm not flaming, just saying. What year range was the one you raced?

However, the new(er) models are much more respectable, and the 03-04 Cobras (I had one, for a few months) are a blast to drive. Mid 12's out of the box (although the best I could pull on stock tires was a 12.98 @ 110, but that was only out of 2 track runs ever with it) for $33k, and less than $1000 in mods and you can see 11's.

Anyway, nice race, it's always fun to have a friendly run now and then between luxury and American sports cars.

i would say it was somewhere between a 95-98 mustang, im not that knowledgeable about when they made certain body styles, but i know it was somewhere in those years....

3.73 is a great combo with that motor. You will probably be amazed at the difference just that mod will make to your driver :cool

i'm thinking about getting one soon... where's a good place, i know diffsonline has some good stuff. do they have the best prices??? i would love the enhanced acceleration... :buttrock

SN95 or 94-95 mustangs were the slowest most pathetic cars made with a V8 or very close to it. Sixteen second cars, MAYBE 15 if all the stars lined up and the track was downhill. They had 215 FLYWHEEL hp, and most dyno around 180-190 rwhp in a fat ass car.

Don't ask me how I know.... :rolleyes

I just got my 86 535i Dinan Turbo. Cant wait to take it out on the road. I wonder what kind of cars will it be able to outrun.

SN95 or 94-95 mustangs were the slowest most pathetic cars made with a V8 or very close to it. Sixteen second cars, MAYBE 15 if all the stars lined up and the track was downhill. They had 215 FLYWHEEL hp, and most dyno around 180-190 rwhp in a fat ass car.

Don't ask me how I know.... :rolleyes


The V6 models in the SN95's ran 16's. The GT's were noticeably quicker, I owned a 95 and a 98 GT. Horsepower is not the only thing you look at for an accurate judge of how quick it is, you look at torque (it's a V8 we're talking about here), and I believe they made somewhere near the 280-300 mark. And to clarify, the 98's has 225hp, not 215. Still not 16 second cars by any means. The 1999-2004's with only 260hp were capable of breaking into the 13's bone stock, so high 14's for an SN95 seems right.

Metro is right, the 5 spd versions of all GT's would break into the 14's at a decent track with someone who half-ass knew what that little stick in between the seats is for. Does that make them a decent performance car? Not to me. I mean, you take a 96-98 GT with the non-PI heads and put all the boost you want to it, blow it up (ask ME how I know :devillook ) you wont make more than about 310 rwhp. Yes, the tq is nice, but they just fall on their face on the big end. Now, take and drop in a proper forged bottom end, a set of Stg II ported/polished PI heads, a Bullit intake, and stick about 13 lbs of boost to it, now you got yourself a muscle car. Like I said, what could be. :evil2

BTW, that little setup there at the end, we're stuffing one into a '00 Bullit next week. I'll let you know what it makes. Shooting for anything over 500 rwhp, should do that with ease.

The V6 models in the SN95's ran 16's. The GT's were noticeably quicker, I owned a 95 and a 98 GT. Horsepower is not the only thing you look at for an accurate judge of how quick it is, you look at torque (it's a V8 we're talking about here), and I believe they made somewhere near the 280-300 mark. And to clarify, the 98's has 225hp, not 215. Still not 16 second cars by any means. The 1999-2004's with only 260hp were capable of breaking into the 13's bone stock, so high 14's for an SN95 seems right.
yes 98 got 225, but 97 still had 215. But yes the 98 had 286tq. Which is still pretty good. But dude, the V6's are pathetic. I've beat them with my Honda Prelude S (which is 140hp/tq).
The 99-04 GTs did have 260 hp(and 302tq) which is not bad at all, but you have to take weight into consideration. Also they had terrible power loss from crank to wheels.
But guarddog was talking about 94-95. Those were pathetic. THey were 4.9L (dubbed 5.0) and they had 215 hp at the crank and 288 tq. The torque is still nice, but the HP is pathetic. Sure they are pretty good get up and go but still not super quick. Mustang GT & V6 are just not anything to brag about.

Like I said, what could be. :evil2
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Phanta....I agree with you but yet I don't. Becuase anything can be great. You can turn a 80's Ford Fiesta into a drag car. Just gut it out, drop a v8 into the rear hatch (I saw this on like some Geo Metro or sumptin...some site somebody posted about). I mean anything COULD be. But it all depends on circumstances you give it. If it is what it could be while remaining similar to stock, that is completely different.

yes 98 got 225, but 97 still had 215. But yes the 98 had 286tq. Which is still pretty good. But dude, the V6's are pathetic. I've beat them with my Honda Prelude S (which is 140hp/tq).
The 99-04 GTs did have 260 hp(and 302tq) which is not bad at all, but you have to take weight into consideration. Also they had terrible power loss from crank to wheels.
But guarddog was talking about 94-95. Those were pathetic. THey were 4.9L (dubbed 5.0) and they had 215 hp at the crank and 288 tq. The torque is still nice, but the HP is pathetic. Sure they are pretty good get up and go but still not super quick. Mustang GT & V6 are just not anything to brag about.

:werd:

Thanks for the back-up Giterdone, I was being specific to the 94-95s, because they are the redheaded stepchildren of the Mustang world.

The 89-93s were pretty quick, low 14s-high 13 cars, stock. Light weight with decent power. However, the suspension and brakes sucked.

Back on topic, just know what you're up against, and know that mustangs are cheap to mod. Its like having a cobra owner saying he Owned a Bimmer, but it was a 318 convertible, versus an M3, for instance.

Phanta....I agree with you but yet I don't. Becuase anything can be great. You can turn a 80's Ford Fiesta into a drag car. Just gut it out, drop a v8 into the rear hatch (I saw this on like some Geo Metro or sumptin...some site somebody posted about). I mean anything COULD be. But it all depends on circumstances you give it. If it is what it could be while remaining similar to stock, that is completely different.

Fair enough, let me rephrase that......a Mustang GT is a really good platform to start from. TONS of aftermarket, realitively cheap, and the sky really is the limit on those cars. They have the technology out there now to where putting together a 9 second street car is not a matter of any voodoo or black magic, just a tried and true combination of parts. And lots and lots of $$$$. You could do such a setup on a GT for about $20-$25k. Thats a 800+ rwhp vehicle you can drive on the street. Don't see too many Geos like that. I have seen quite a few Mustangs of that sort. Thats more what I meant.

On the other hand, you bring me a V6 pony car of any sort, Ford or GM, Im gonna tell you to go trade it in on a V8 if you want to go fast. You'll spend easily 3-5k just getting to where the V8's are stock. Not even worth it. :cool

Fair enough, let me rephrase that......a Mustang GT is a really good platform to start from. TONS of aftermarket, realitively cheap, and the sky really is the limit on those cars. They have the technology out there now to where putting together a 9 second street car is not a matter of any voodoo or black magic, just a tried and true combination of parts. And lots and lots of $$$$. You could do such a setup on a GT for about $20-$25k. Thats a 800+ rwhp vehicle you can drive on the street. Don't see too many Geos like that. I have seen quite a few Mustangs of that sort. Thats more what I meant.

On the other hand, you bring me a V6 pony car of any sort, Ford or GM, Im gonna tell you to go trade it in on a V8 if you want to go fast. You'll spend easily 3-5k just getting to where the V8's are stock. Not even worth it. :cool
Yes very good. I totally agree with all of that.