Just thought I would ask :D.
cheers

the sun should come up and set at least twice. :)

Not that I know of :dunno

MD / Duke in cp tomorrow night.

Not that I know of :dunno
You don't know if the sun is come up and set at least twice? :confused

---Eric

Photoshoot? :dunno

MD / Duke in cp tomorrow night.


Amen to that! Fear the Turtle...again.

You don't know if the sun is come up and set at least twice? :confused

---Eric
He doesnt know of what is going on this weekend ding dong :D

He doesnt know of what is going on this weekend ding dong :D
With Preppy you can never be quite sure... :D

---Eric

Photoshoot? :dunno

Meet? :dunno

Meet? :dunno
:rolleyes The meet is in Philly this weekend.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314247

:D
Scott

:rolleyes The meet is in Philly this weekend.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314247

:D
Scott
Dang, I'm hungry for cheese steaks again. :(

---Eric

Im going to look at cars. :cool Uh, we could ALL go if youre that bored, I guess. :dunno

mikey did you sell the vette?

What are you getting now???

There is always the motorcycle show in timonium as well. The highlight for me there is that the excile bikes will be there, nothing like being in long beach and seeing about 20 of them going by unless its Jesse James. Just my opinion

mikey did you sell the vette?

What are you getting now???

Not yet. Im actually thinking about seeing if I can trade it in but I dont know if that works when youre trading a more expensive car for a less expensive one. :dunno I think Im going to keep the Subaru now and call it my primary car for insurance reasons.























and Im going to look at SRT-4's... :paranoid:

and Im going to look at SRT-4's... :paranoid:

:buttrock

Me too!

Matt

Well, good luck finding one.

I went to Gaithersburg/Rockville, couldnt find a Dodge dealership so I headed up to Baltimore. Hit up 5 dealerships and only one even had an SRT-4 and it was an '05 in the showroom so I couldnt even drive it. I sat in it and didnt like the way the seats ("viper" seats) cut into my legs with the big bolsters, Im not sure I could daily drive it. They do make base seats so Ill have to see if I can find one with those. Also happened to see a red Viper GTS with silver stripes and ugly but beautiful sounding exhaust when going to one dealership. Gave each other a wave, cool dude.

Im headed up to Fitzgerald in Frederick right now to see if I can drive one, they have 3 '05's.

I suggest buying an '04, Matt. Check out used prices vs. new, those cars took a BIG hit on depreciation. Im seeing '04's with 10-15k miles for $16-17k. New '05's are $22k. :eek: Research the cars on www.srtforums.com it's a decent site.

At this rate though I may have to move to my "backup" new car... :devillook

Yeah, Fitzgerald's always has a rack of SRT-4s.

I'd rather have an E36 M3 than an SRT-4. There's more to a car than power.

Oh and to everyone that said Duke/CP... I've got pictures, I've got video, I've been pepper sprayed, soon we'll all have a post!!! :)

If you buy an SRT4, there's a warranty. ;)

Thanks for the advice, Mikey. If I do buy one, it will probably be a used '04 or '05. I have an Uncle in the business, and he'll find whatever I want for me at auctions.

Matt

Warranties are not a positive selling point. As an enthusiast, you'll be bouncing in your boots waiting for the day that the warranty ends so that you can modify the car.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Warranties are not a positive selling point. As an enthusiast, you'll be bouncing in your boots waiting for the day that the warranty ends so that you can modify the car.

Tell me I'm wrong.
You're wrong....

About this car. I can stick to Mopar parts only and I still won't be able to afford anything that will void the warranty until it runs out. Plus, I won't be doing anything outrageous to this car, I'll have to commute in it. And I'm still a poor, starving, college student.

Matt

I think you're just saying that I'm wrong because its an easy out.

An enthusiast is always infected with the mod bug.

A poor college student is always infected with the cheap-ass bug... you are going to have a hard time paying double for a Mopar part that's the exact same as the aftermarket part when its no different except for the badge.

Why is a poor college student even thinking of buying an SRT4 anyway? A used E36 would be a way better investment... you're going to lose a lot in depreciation. I considered the SRT4 before I bought my car anyway.

I've seen how you drive, Matt. If I was neurotic on your ass, you'd have driven 100+ all the time. You don't need that.

Maybe I will. I don't know, I've never owned a car with a warranty before. Hell, I've never test driven a car before I've bought it. In fact, I've never even bought a car built after my parents got married.

But warranty or not, I will do what I want to the car. The bottom line is that e36s are getting old. Old cars cost more to fix.

Why the fcuk are we still awake?

Matt

Exactly, you've never had a car with a warranty before. Its like a birthday for when the fun starts.

Warranty or not you'll do what you want? Sounds like a recipe to voiding a warranty.

I'm still awake because I was rioting. How about you?

Exactly, you've never had a car with a warranty before. Its like a birthday for when the fun starts.

Warranty or not you'll do what you want? Sounds like a recipe to voiding a warranty.

I'm still awake because I was rioting. How about you?
I have no excuse.

You know, the warranty still covers anything you haven't modified. Plus its easy enough to go back to stock whenever I need to. What could I do that I couldn't undo if I had to? Its not like I'm going to pay a shop to do any work on the car, so I'll be able to undo anything I do.

Matt

Warranty's are the enthusiast's krytonite. And they're expensive as hell too. A warranty-voiding-happy manufacturer can drive owners to have all work performed and documented by professional mechanics if they want repairs covered.

I still say a CPO 1999 E36 coupe is your best buy for a car with warranty.

You win. I'll buy an e36.

Matt

Why the fcuk are we still awake?

Matt

because.

The SRT-4 is my first choice over an E36 because of the age of each car. One is a minimum of 6 years old and the other is 1 year old. They cost aout the same except the E36 will have helluva lot more miles on it and the SRT-4 has a 7 year/70k mile warranty on it. While that wont stop me from modding and and voiding the warranty, it looks like Dodge is good about only voiding the warranty on the parts you changed. As in if I do the MOPAR stage 1 and the A/C dies, they will still honor the warranty for it.

I need a fun, fast, reliable car as a daily driver and the SRT-4 fits the bill...even if it is "just a neon".

p.s. Matt...can your uncle find me one? :D

p.s. Matt...can your uncle find me one? :D

Are you willing to drive 6 hours to pick it up? :help

Matt

A 6 year old car with 75k miles is a better investment than a new car for the same price? :rolleyes


All the talk about warrantys being "kryptonite" is BS. Have you ever owned a car with a warranty? Changing parts only takes away the warranty on those parts -- not the entire thing. I put an exhaust and an intake on my wrangler - when the headlight switch broke they still fixed it under warranty. When they CEL came on for a bad sensor they still replaced it under warranty. I doubt either of these guys are going to make these neons into 800 hp drag cars -- there's no need to wait to do bolt ons like exhaust, intake etc.




Mikey -- how soon are you looking to buy? You may have a hookup at a dodge dealer soon. :devillook:

Are you willing to drive 6 hours to pick it up? :help

Matt

Eek. Dunno about that far.

Justin, this really isnt an urgent thing. There's nothing wrong with my Legacy (except it has no ABS now) and I can put my 180 miles per day on that for awhile longer. By dealer do you mean new? I know they offer NO rebates or incentives on these cars (some say that's why they didnt call it a Neon, Neon = rebates) so I definitely dont want a new one. Im not looking to lose $6k in my first year of ownership. :az

If I dont find one in a few months, Ill start looking at other alternatives.

Eek. Dunno about that far.

Justin, this really isnt an urgent thing. There's nothing wrong with my Legacy (except it has no ABS now) and I can put my 180 miles per day on that for awhile longer. By dealer do you mean new? I know they offer NO rebates or incentives on these cars (some say that's why they didnt call it a Neon, Neon = rebates) so I definitely dont want a new one. Im not looking to lose $6k in my first year of ownership. :az

If I dont find one in a few months, Ill start looking at other alternatives.

You drive 180 miles a day? What do you do that makes you drive this much?

You win. I'll buy an e36.

Matt

:rofl Haha, no winners and losers here man. Just sharing opinions.

jterp - Yes, I've owned a car with a warranty. And different manufacturers respond differently to warranties... some are very flaky and some are more lenient. I'm sure you know this.

What ever happened to BMW enthusiasts wanting RWD cars? I could understand the "daily driver" argument... but a turbocharged high-performance car is hardly a great choice for a daily driver in any situation haha.

jterp - Yes, I've owned a car with a warranty. And different manufacturers respond differently to warranties... some are very flaky and some are more lenient. I'm sure you know this.

What ever happened to BMW enthusiasts wanting RWD cars? I could understand the "daily driver" argument... but a turbocharged high-performance car is hardly a great choice for a daily driver in any situation haha.


Actually, by law dealers can't respond differently. A warranty is a warranty -- it's in writing and they have to honor it. I'm all for RWD -- but you can't beat the bang for buck with the srt-4...
And to be honest -- The srt-4's with the LSD (first year of srt-4's did not have lsd = :nono) handle really well on the track. I had to let one pass at VIR last year. :dunno



Mikey I'll send you a pm. But, didn't you quit DD'ing the vette because you didn't want to have a $20k+ sports car as a DD? Now you're buying a $20K+ sports car to use as a DD?? :D :dunno

BTW -- Last night's "riots" were completely lame. It was just a bunch of idiots standing around in the middle of the street looking at all the policemen. There were no bonfires, nothing got torched or destroyed -- just people standing around hoping to get pepper sprayed or shot with a bean bag to say they were part of the "riot" :rolleyes.

I had to bribe a busboy $20 to let me into the back door of bentleys because the police weren't letting anyone walk on the sidewalks in front of the bars. :dunno :rolleyes


The days of the good old fashioned 'Maryland beat Duke' or 'Maryland lost to Duke' riot are dead. :(.

jterp - Yeah, we can't hold a torch to the riots of yesteryear but we can still entertain ourselves and make the police earn their paycheck. The crowd that I was a part of was forced through the walkway in the back corner of the Wawa/Potomac Video shopping center. Police didn't follow, so the students set all the dumpsters behind those buildings on fire. :redspot

I understand the law re: warranties... but I guess I should just throw out the examples that keep popping up in my mind: Volkswagen is void-happy (VW=voided warranty) if you don't have records to prove that all scheduled maintenace was completed and the car was treated real nice. They piss a lot of owners off. And Subaru and Mitsubishi, if you guys remember, were void-happy with their STi and Evo8 products if they found evidence that the drivers had attended HPDEs or Autocrosses or those sort of events... true, the STi and Evo8 are exceptions to the rule in terms of what the owners do to the cars, but I'm going to mention them anyway.

:chicken

I understand the law re: warranties... but I guess I should just throw out the examples that keep popping up in my mind: Volkswagen is void-happy (VW=voided warranty) if you don't have records to prove that all scheduled maintenace was completed and the car was treated real nice. They piss a lot of owners off.

VW didn't used to do that, but they had so many kids buying GTI 1.8ts and fucking them up that they had to. ahem(ANAND)ahem

Matt

DIC, Im commuting to Waldorf right now, 90 miles each way. It shouldnt be lasting much more than a month (I hope). It sucks but ironically it's about the same time-wise in the morning and 30-45 minutes less than when I was going to Ft. Belvoir. Just goes to show how awful 270/495 traffic is. :help

Justin, that is true I did buy the Legacy to keep the miles off the Vette but Ive decided that I really need a more fun car for everyday driving. In addition, we are talking a high $20k car vs. a mid-teens car and at the moment my current commute is all cruising @ 80 mph vs. the 495/270 bullshit that is muder for a 6-speed car.

Im also hoping that I will be finally getting my commute under control here soon (although Ive told myself that about 20 times in the past few years :rolleyes ).

Picked my M Coupe up from NY. Drove it back to VA

Just move to Miami. And then you'll have to drive the Corvette to work.

pics of fake riot or ban.

No one has ever stuck me with a successful pics or ban before... and I'm prepared this time too. :buttrock

Guy in the yellow hoodie must really like the guy in the "Guinness" shirt.

You guys point out the strangest things. :rolleyes.

That's a riot?

Bah.

That sign should be covered in blood. And on fire.

I give this riot a C-.

:lol

http://www.asianamericans.com/TiananmenSquareJune51989.jpg

We'll do better next year. Ben- What percentage of the crowd would you say was drunk after the game? 5%? 10%? Everyone at MD needs to learn the aincent art of flasking.

Matt

Everyone at MD needs to learn the aincent art of flasking.

Matt


I been flasking since before you were born, junior. :D

I been flasking since before you were born, junior. :D
Well, you were in a fraternity. I intend to bring it to the masses, as I will be a GDI again at MD.

Matt

10% :rofl You must be kidding, the only way that we watch games is drunk.

Flasks are a good idea... if you want to get kicked out and never allowed to come back. A plastic water bottle is probably a better idea.

jterp... I know it makes you sound like a cool rough-and-tumble old timer to say that the youngin's are worthless... but what did you really think of it? It was more of a celebration than a violent riot (until the police incited violence). A hard-partying upperclassman that I know said it was the best riot he'd seen here since he was a freshman (ie, since the ACC victory, I guess).

Flasks are a good idea... if you want to get kicked out and never allowed to come back. A plastic water bottle is probably a better idea.
Please. :rolleyes

You have to get caught to get in trouble. I double flasked GT/MD at YOUR stadium. 32 oz. of Jim Beam stuffed down my pants.

Matt

Oh well then you're just so cool. :rolleyes

A silver metal flask is seriously a bad idea... we actually have event staff at the events, as you know, scanning the stands for just that kind of thing. The basketball stadium is more monitored than the football stadium.

But whatever :dunno, I forgot for a second there that alcohol makes a person cool. :eyecrazy

This is how we do it on Friday mornings before class. haha

http://blauschwarz.home.comcast.net/yhwd.jpg

:chicken.

jterp... I know it makes you sound like a cool rough-and-tumble old timer to say that the youngin's are worthless... but what did you really think of it? It was more of a celebration than a violent riot (until the police incited violence). A hard-partying upperclassman that I know said it was the best riot he'd seen here since he was a freshman (ie, since the ACC victory, I guess).


I'm in no way trying to sound like a "cool rough-and-tumble old timer." To be honest, the "riot" lost its purpose once it became a "tradition". The first few times it happened, it wasn't planned -- it just happened. It was more of a celebration rather than a "riot". I would go watch because it was amazing -- people coming out of the houses on the row carrying couches and mattresses and tossing them into a 2 storey bonfire, packs of 50 students tearing the goal posts down from byrd and carrying them to the row (where they then lit them on fire), people climbing up onto the roof of smoothie king and lighting off fireworks, etc etc.

Now -- it seems like all the kids who heard about Maryland fans 'rioting' when they were in high school feel like they have to 'riot" -- but it's half assed. People aren't celebrating the game anymore -- they are just rioting to be "deviant maryland fans." Nothing cool happens anymore -- no bonfires, no fireworks, nothing -- There were 500 students standing on the corner of knox and Rte. just staring at each other :dunno.
Hell, there's no reason to riot anymore. The first riot, like I said wasn't planned as a "riot" -- it was people celebrating because we beat Duke -- something we hadn't done in years. Now we've beat them more than any other team in the country -- not such a big deal anymore.

[/endrant]

Oh well then you're just so cool. :rolleyes

A silver metal flask is seriously a bad idea... we actually have event staff at the events, as you know, scanning the stands for just that kind of thing. The basketball stadium is more monitored than the football stadium.

But whatever :dunno, I forgot for a second there that alcohol makes a person cool. :eyecrazy

VS.

10% :rofl You must be kidding, the only way that we watch games is drunk.


Doesn't compute. :dunno

Man, I'm just saying that a drunken student body is more likely to riot than a sober one. And it's not like I drank both of them myself. Celo helped. :buttrock Plus, I'm talking about 16oz plastic flasks. The little metal 4oz ones aren't good for anything.

Matt

VS.



Doesn't compute. :dunno

Man, I'm just saying that a drunken student body is more likely to riot than a sober one. And it's not like I drank both of them myself. Celo helped. :buttrock Plus, I'm talking about 16oz plastic flasks. The little metal 4oz ones aren't good for anything.

Matt
Amateurs. :rolleyes

A simple ziploc bag works best (double bag it for safety). Very difficult to locate even if they pat you down. Not that I would do something like that... :shifty

---Eric

We taped a wine bag with a handle of captain morgan to a guy's back one time. It's not worth it... you don't need that much.

Matt

I'm in no way trying to sound like a "cool rough-and-tumble old timer." To be honest, the "riot" lost its purpose once it became a "tradition". The first few times it happened, it wasn't planned -- it just happened. It was more of a celebration rather than a "riot". I would go watch because it was amazing -- people coming out of the houses on the row carrying couches and mattresses and tossing them into a 2 storey bonfire, packs of 50 students tearing the goal posts down from byrd and carrying them to the row (where they then lit them on fire), people climbing up onto the roof of smoothie king and lighting off fireworks, etc etc.

Now -- it seems like all the kids who heard about Maryland fans 'rioting' when they were in high school feel like they have to 'riot" -- but it's half assed. People aren't celebrating the game anymore -- they are just rioting to be "deviant maryland fans." Nothing cool happens anymore -- no bonfires, no fireworks, nothing -- There were 500 students standing on the corner of knox and Rte. just staring at each other :dunno.
Hell, there's no reason to riot anymore. The first riot, like I said wasn't planned as a "riot" -- it was people celebrating because we beat Duke -- something we hadn't done in years. Now we've beat them more than any other team in the country -- not such a big deal anymore.

[/endrant]
nice explanation.

unfortunetely as he have discussed before, cp students and the college life is going downhill. I blame the classes of 03-07 for this. I could list things on and on that are wrong with cp and how they treat the students like kids.

The students (myself included) should of stood up and said no to all these rules and regulations but that didn't happen (beside the occasional articals in the diamondback). Now the students only form of "release" are these riots after the big games. I bet you by the end of the year or next they will not let students on rt 1 after the games or they will restrict everyone like crazy.

They already are doing all they can to let us not riot. The police are ready and waiting and trigger-happy to the extent that they turn celebrations into riots. The RDs are on gaurd after these games to call police at the first hint of rowdiness. The Honor Council promises to expel any student charged with rioting. I can't speak for others who have cool RAs, but I chatted with my RA the other day and he was speaking like a 50-year-old - referencing how the riots make us look immature and propogate bad college student stereotypes and so on. I wanted to tell the guy all the reasons he was wrong but I wasn't going to do that to my RA.

:chicken