Finally with the new 3 series BMW has solely managed to Uglinize their entire model lineup singlehandidly. That what I call accomplishment. Cannot believe the hardheadedness at the top for actually making the new cars uglier than ever. That takes _alls. I wonder how long before they actually realize that some people are still accepting their cars because they love BMWs, and not because they look good anymore. I would at any point in time love to own an E46 M3, or any E46 for that matter. With the upgrades Mark and Nick and Craig, have done, and so many others that I don't know personally, making they look youthful forever. I am so disappointed to not be able to look any further than the current E46, or the E39 m5, or a 540i Sport package, that it is disgusting. The only new BMW worth mentioning is the Competition Package. It looks so nice, specially in that Interlagos Blue color. Difficult to justify a 2 door sports car with $60K price tag. Anyways, hopefully one day it will all be well. (As soon as Chris Bangle and that VP is fired). :mad

i feel your pain too because in a few years when im done with school i'll also be in the market for a car. seeing how things are going, i'll probably get something else.

i made a similiar thread a few weeks ago:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301127

I like em all.
Do I think they're better than the E34/E39/E38? No, but I still like them.


The deterrent to buy one wouldn't be so much in the style/looks but moreso that there's less and less wrech turning that I can do. Anymore it's about having the correct software to diagnose and repair as opposed to the correct sized socket.

Too many electricky things skeer me! :eek:

Bangle approved the designs along with the top BMW execs. I want what they were smokin since they thought these cars are hot sh!t and looked good. I know the designer of the 6er is Van Hooydonk or however the hell you spell his last name. It is a product of the Designworks USA division.

Bangle approved the designs along with the top BMW execs. I want what they were smokin since they thought these cars are hot sh!t and looked good. I know the designer of the 6er is Van Hooydonk or however the hell you spell his last name. It is a product of the Designworks USA division.
The crapdivision needs to get its act together. I believe all the cars with the flat side panels like the 6 and 7 is Hoondick and the flame surfacing such as the Z4 and 5 is Bangle.

i think the new 3er coupe looks pretty good.

And the retro grouches strike again.



Some day some of you people will realize that he same ole body bimmers from the nineties dont sell anymore except to the people in this forum. :nono If BMW had kept the same style they'd probably be bankrupt right now. I own an e39 so this is my opinion is truly unbiased. I dont always like the new 5 myself but the reactions of some of these so called BMW fans is quite rediculous to me. Bangle decided to appeal to a broader range of people and not just the same ole bimmer folk. And the bad thing is that with all of the protest, the new style of the 7 is worse than anything it has been for the last few years. Nice job guys :rolleyes

http://forums.bimmerfest.com/showthread.php?t=7022

I dig the new 7 most of all. A 745i sport pack is tight as it gets to me.
I'd like to see a statistical percentage of BMW enthusiasts that actually buy new cars.

Bring back the 850Csi!!!! :D

If BMW had kept the same style they'd probably be bankrupt right now.

you got that right! They have to keep changing or they'll die. That being said, I think all the new cars are pretty tough to look at too. The 6 is the only one that seems to have made the best out of the new styling IMO, but then someone mentions Toyota Solara, and I laugh, cause they're right. And it's sad. And while it is important to apeal to more customers, it can also be a big mistake to shoot yourself in the foot in the eyes of the diehard enthusiasts that support the marque. It'll take a while to hurt BMW, but if in 5-10 years, they've turned off all the enthusiasts, they'll be in big trouble.

It doesn't really bother me, I'm not a diehard BMW enthusiast, and I'm like 3 generations behind the new style cars anyway. :cool There will be years and years of good 'ol bimmers for me to choose from from a long time. And when those run out many MANY years from now, and if there's no BMW I like anymore, no skin off my back, I'm sure there's something else out there. :dunno Hovercars probably :biglaughb

Hovercars probably :biglaughb
I'll take one of these, please: :D

http://www.blade-runner.it/images/gallery/spinner/snap059370.jpg
http://www.blade-runner.it/images/gallery/spinner/snap059085.jpg

:buttrock

U know to make the models look good ACS, and other Bimmer aftermarket suppliers are doing well because their stuff is selling well. Looking different is OK, but don't piss off the loyalty with it. I love every car BMW has ever made, but to have to spend $20K on an aftermarket kit to lessen the shock of something that should have been beautiful to begin with doesn't make sense. By the way the ole M5's still are hot and I would love to have one. :redspot

U know to make the models look good ACS, and other Bimmer aftermarket suppliers are doing well because their stuff is selling well. Looking different is OK, but don't piss off the loyalty with it. I love every car BMW has ever made, but to have to spend $20K on an aftermarket kit to lessen the shock of something that should have been beautiful to begin with doesn't make sense. By the way the ole M5's still are hot and I would love to have one. :redspot


i agree totally especially that the new ones have to be modded to look like anything. But to me all cars are headed that way. I sometimes confuse the new clk with a honda accord, they are cousins. And with the way these economy cars are starting to copy the body style of the luxury cars you wont be able to tell the difference in couple of years.

I actually like the new 5. Have you seen the M5 or any of the 5s with the new aero package? i don't know if that is coming to the stats, but it looks badass. And as for getting rid of all bangles bad designs........and you liking the E39 5s...you are contradicting yourself because guess who designed it, YUP, BANGLE.

I agree that stock some of them look bad from certain angles, but the fun is in modding these cars. mod one and you can make it look badass.

The new M6.......WOW
http://bmwinfo.com/0256.jpg

the Hartge 6....WOW
http://www.hartge.de/assets/images/E63_header.jpg

how can you argue with these?

no

The most recent Bimmer mag has the M6.
Puuuuuure hawt! :eek:

I saw an article in the most recent AutoWeek that covers the new 7-series makeover.

Same car, pretty much, but with some cosmetic upgrades. I think the improvements help it a lot.

On the bright side, for BMW to take a step back from the ugly era, and make these cosmetic upgrades to the current 7, it is almost the admission of a problem.

Article HERE (http://autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101699)

I sorta like the new 6, but thats about it.

I sorta like the new 6, but thats about it.

I love body of the new 6 but only in the coupe, hate the interior. I wouldn't shell out 90+K however. If BMW really wanted to impress the market they should shrink it into a 3 where most of their brand image is derived from. I understand that they need a high-end image car to compete with Benz but they need to keep their customer base happy as well and the new design elements just aren't cutting it.

I read an article in the wall street journal a month ago where bangle was quoted as saying something to the effect that he doesn't care what the masses think - he goes on to say: yes you are going to loose customers by taking a design change but you are going to also gain new customers in the process. My thoughts, I would rather buy the more beautiful, equally priced or better priced cars from Audi and Mercedes if I had to go new again. I love the look of the new MB CLS sedan that looks like a coupe - again priced in the same category but better quality, more power, and more looks. But Bangle has a leg to stand on because his cars are selling - sales are up 7.2% in January - go figure.

how can you argue with these?

haha nevermind. The six is ugly too. :eyecrazy Those pics of the M6 are even worse. WTF is that little chrome mustache above the kidneys? And the knife slashes to the face? :nono

And I disagree about the aftermarket add on crap helping. Hanging more agressive looking junk off the body is exactly what they DON'T need. At least I haven't seen any that looked better than the non-modded versions. I hope you guys that like the looks buy 'em up, BMW's going to need your $$$. :stickoutt

I honestly can't tell a difference between the hartge and the stock, except the wheels. whoopty-doo.

Not only are the cars getting ugly, but I don't think BMW is doing enough to keep up in the horsepower wars.

Not only are the cars getting ugly, but I don't think BMW is doing enough to keep up in the horsepower wars.

well at least they're getting heavier! :rolleyes

And the retro grouches strike again.



Some day some of you people will realize that he same ole body bimmers from the nineties dont sell anymore except to the people in this forum. :nono If BMW had kept the same style they'd probably be bankrupt right now. I own an e39 so this is my opinion is truly unbiased. I dont always like the new 5 myself but the reactions of some of these so called BMW fans is quite rediculous to me. Bangle decided to appeal to a broader range of people and not just the same ole bimmer folk. And the bad thing is that with all of the protest, the new style of the 7 is worse than anything it has been for the last few years. Nice job guys :rolleyes

http://forums.bimmerfest.com/showthread.php?t=7022


The only problem comes when you realize they have brought back the 6 series and created the X3 and X5. These help with sales. I personally like the X5's styling, but I agree that about everything else looks like crap. Even family members that are by no means BMW biased think the new ones look ugly. I have yet to hear any of my friends or family members say they like any of the new ones except for the X5 and the 6 series.

and you liking the E39 5s...you are contradicting yourself because guess who designed it, YUP, BANGLE.



While he did have a small role in it, it was just that, a SMALL role.

While he did have a small role in it, it was just that, a SMALL role.

Bangle had as much a part in the design of the E39 as he did the E60...


As a note: this thread is for BMW drama queens...

"oh woe is me. i won't be able to buy a bimmer i like b/c bangle ruined them!"

Get over it...

-Prince

nice one prince but I would be willing to bet I can borrow my boys 6 vert and bring it to a meet and everyone there would say it looks better than any e30 e39 (e46 is going to far because everybody loves that style) and e34 there. It's weird to me because some days I'll see a e60 and love it and some days I'll see one and dont like it. It def. depemds on the angle you look at it. And above all I would still take it over the styling of a e30,34,36 or before developed like what 20 years ago. They look ok but in terms of being played out :D . No offense to people who like vintage but if you like old cars, ONLY BUY OLD CARS, DONT HATE ON THE NEW CARS BECAUSE THEY DONT STILL LOOK LIKE YOUR OLD CARS!!!!!!!!!!

ONLY BUY OLD CARS, DONT HATE ON THE NEW CARS BECAUSE THEY DONT STILL LOOK LIKE YOUR OLD CARS!!!!!!!!!!

If you think this is bad, you should see the letters to the editor of Roundel, the BMWCCA magazine. It truly makes me sick to see all those whiners.

Personal taste aside, I am also tired of seeing people whine about it. The anti-Bangle brigade needs to vote with their pocketbook, and find a new car company to latch onto (or just stick with their classic ride). Time to find an Audi or MB or Jag, Lexus, Acura, blah blah...

If you think this is bad, you should see the letters to the editor of Roundel, the BMWCCA magazine. It truly makes me sick to see all those whiners.

Personal taste aside, I am also tired of seeing people whine about it. The anti-Bangle brigade needs to vote with their pocketbook, and find a new car company to latch onto (or just stick with their classic ride). Time to find an Audi or MB or Jag, Lexus, Acura, blah blah...
Werd. Well said...if you hate new BMWs so much either buy old ones or get a car from another company. I don't see the problem here. And crying about it certainly won't help anything.

-Prince

Werd. Well said...if you hate new BMWs so much either buy old ones or get a car from another company. I don't see the problem here. And crying about it certainly won't help anything.

-Prince
People are responding. The X3 is the only new model selling strong. And its a BMW SUV. The Z4 has just plummeted, the 5 has stalled and never took off, teh 6 is low volume and the 7s facelift may help but will only further kill the current cars value.

Many without BMWs prefer the older styles as well. Something to give the :buttrock to, instead of the :lol

And crying about it certainly won't help anything.

-Prince


But it sure is fun

People are responding. The X3 is the only new model selling strong. And its a BMW SUV. The Z4 has just plummeted, the 5 has stalled and never took off, teh 6 is low volume and the 7s facelift may help but will only further kill the current cars value.

Many without BMWs prefer the older styles as well. Something to give the :buttrock to, instead of the :lol
the only reason the X3 is strong is because it came out last year when the report was given. I take it you're reffering to the Wallstreet Journal Article? I read it too, even more fuel to the fire...the new designs are shit, the sales speak for themselves.

BMW is pricing their cars out or the range of their loyal market. Bangle should be dragged out and beaten in the streets only for going too far with the flame design, thank god they didn't let him design the new 3.

As for the horsepower war comment, the new V10 in the M5 and M6 will push 500hp. The AMG V12s hit 600 or something rediculous like that, and they use turbos for that. I'll consider these past few years a brainfart at BMW and hope the new 3series, 4series, and M3 will bring back the BMW everyone here obviously seems to love.

Guys I agree with most of you. Obviously the new shapes are a matter of sometimes aggressive discussions because they are controvercial. That's exactly my point. One should not have to defend BMW shapes. Its not a car. It is a lifestyle. If you own oner or not, most people love them. They live them. No one ever has to defend the current E46 M3. Why is that? Exactly right. I actually saw soome sketches of the new six and the current five that looked awesome. Try to understand this. The shark headlights worked on the Z4 because of the way its body flows, and that it is a particularly small car. The rear lights look out of place somewhat, but overall the front works somewhat. A 6 series cannot have the same front as a Z4. Bigger car, bigger front aggressive healight enclosures. Seems as if someone beat the life out of the new 6. Same with the back. It is as if a car crusher worked on the rear end, instead of an artist. BMW's are supposed to be painted, not crushed. Smaller grills in the front don't work either. Aggressivesness has to be a BIG frown in your face. Not the small nostrils which say, "I can barely breath". Anyways as always my 2 cents worth.