just wondering what everyones opinion's are. i personally am getting more and more used to it. when i first heard the news at the end of last season i was pissed. but he should have more potential at mclaren.

oh one more thing, i heard that M in M3, M5, ect. stands for mclaren. does mclaren do the tuning for bmw? i know they had a relationship for the mclaren f1. sorry if that sounds dumb i am trying to educate myself.

"M" stands for BMW's Motorsport division. Absolutely nothing to do with McLaren.

cool thanks for the info ;)

Being that I am a Mclaren-Mercedes fan (yes I own a BMW and would never own a Mercedes, but Mika Hakkinen was my fav driver back in the day and that just kinda segued into being a fan of Kimi Raikonen) i love the idea of JPM at Mc-Merc. The only problem that I forsee is that neither of those drivers (JPM or Kimi) will be willing to be a number 2 the way that Ruebens does with Schumey or Ralf did with JPM. There may be some infighting that goes on in the Mc-Merc pits this year...we will just have to wait and see...

ralf didn't fall back and accept juan as the team leader he fought with him the entire four years. juan just shut him up by out performing him.

juan says that he and kimi get along better than he and ralf b/c kimi is more like juan. you are right about niether of them wanting to take the #2 seat. but i think they will help eachother out and try to beat ferarri as a team.

i think its cool that juan is driving for the team he always wanted to growing up. senna was the only driver he looked up to and senna drove for mclaren in his hay day. i really think juan is giong to challenge for the championship in the next 2 years, permitting the mp420 is more reliable than the mp419.

Too bad that montoya went to mclaren, but hopefully williams' new drivers will run for the tittle. Both Webber and Heidfeld have impressed in recent tests.

just wondering what everyones opinion's are. i personally am getting more and more used to it. when i first heard the news at the end of last season i was pissed. but he should have more potential at mclaren.
Montoya's potential is not the issue.
It's who has the best car.
Mclaren clearly had the better chassis over Williams.
If Mclaren can get their Mercedes engine up to power, Montoya will be something to deal with.
If BMW had gone w/ Mclaren, which would have been a natural given the McLaren F1 road car, They could have contended w/ Schumi and who knows what would have happened. F1 history could have been a lot different.
We'll just have to see what happens now.

How could BMW have gone with McLaren? The Mercedes/McLaren partnership was already in place.

Tyler,

it was actually Senna's dream to drive for Williams.

Ironic huh.

JPM's arrival at Mercedes will make the team better overall. I think JPM has enormous talent and is one of the few drivers who takes it to Schumi. Montoya is a pure talent and he will bring Mercedes back to glory and with his sidekick The Iceman The Team will restore supremacy in F1. JPM will Kick Some Butt!!!

Go Mercs

Mclaren finally has the right drivers, and hopefully the right cars to compete with Ferrari this year. I think the combination will look better on paper than in practice, however.

Montoya isn't the easiest teammate to get along with and I am predicting conflict in the Mclaren pits. I'd really like to see Kimi out do him nd give Michael another run for the championship like we saw back in 2002.

How could BMW have gone with McLaren? The Mercedes/McLaren partnership was already in place.
BMW re-entered F1 in 2000 with Williams.
It is well known that Williams has failed in it's aerodynamics.
Several key BMW "insiders" have revealed that BMW would have gone w/ McLaren had Wolfgang Reitzle not interfered and insisted on going with Williams. McLaren could have opted to use BMW power. There was already a strong McLaren connection at that time. Gordon Murry had already created the championship winning 83' Brabham-BMW and he was instrumental in the development of the McLaren F1 supercar. It was a HUGE mistake to go w/ Williams at that time. BMW should have had at least a double world championship with McLaren by now.

Juan is very talented, he needs a good, reliable, fast car. He needs a Ferrari. Sorry, I am big JPM fan, but my heart is with Ferrari, and the Schumi/Ferrari combo is unbeatable.
I hope we have a more competitive season, but I still want Ferrari to win, at least by small margin.
I have high expectations for Honda, and Renault.

Montoya's potential is not the issue.
It's who has the best car.
Mclaren clearly had the better chassis over Williams.
If Mclaren can get their Mercedes engine up to power, Montoya will be something to deal with.
If BMW had gone w/ Mclaren, which would have been a natural given the McLaren F1 road car, They could have contended w/ Schumi and who knows what would have happened. F1 history could have been a lot different.
We'll just have to see what happens now.


your right seeing the bmw engine has been the strongest in the pits for some time now. i think montoya, kimi, and shumi are the rawest talents in f1. montoya is the only one to really challenge shumi on track in 4 years.

but montoya and kimi had a couple good duels in 03

Tyler,

it was actually Senna's dream to drive for Williams.

Ironic huh.


it might have been senna's dream to drive for williams but senna won the majority of his championships w/ mclaren, montoya even said that was why he wanted to drive for mclaren so badly.

I always viewed Motnoya as inconsistent, and I personally am glad he is off BMW Williams and onto Mclaren. Too much money is spent on those cars and those drivers to watch them trundle into the grass.

I always viewed Motnoya as inconsistent, and I personally am glad he is off BMW Williams and onto Mclaren. Too much money is spent on those cars and those drivers to watch them trundle into the grass.


??? he consistantly did better than ralf. trundle into the grass??? yeah maybe when kimi forced him off at the hungara ring. montoya was the closest to the championship for williams in years in 03. the inconsistancy was the williams aero package. ie. the platopuss nose.

[QUOTE=Mblaster]Montoya's potential is not the issue.
It's who has the best car.
Mclaren clearly had the better chassis over Williams.

montoya and kimi didn't have as good a car as shumi in 03 and both of them took the fight to the last two rounds. if montoya had not been penalized at indy than who knows, he might have won the championship at sazuka. i think montoya would be deadly if he were in a ferrari, but i like seing him in bmw's and mclaren's.

I really hope that Kimi outperforms JPM this year. I greatly dislike JPM. I think that he is too arrogant. I'm not a fan of Williams, but I do hope that Heidfield does well there. I think that Webber is overhyped. I can't recall ever hearing his name mentioned last season except for the time when Klein ran into him.

??? he consistantly did better than ralf. trundle into the grass??? yeah maybe when kimi forced him off at the hungara ring. montoya was the closest to the championship for williams in years in 03. the inconsistancy was the williams aero package. ie. the platopuss nose.


I would contest that though Montoya wins more races, he also crashes more. A quick check of F1.com shows that Since 2001 JPM has 20 ret. ve ralfs 14. Even accounting for the races Ralf missed last season, Im pretty sure they would not have made 6 DQ's.

juan had tons of dnf's due to mechanical problems with his car. he has rarely crashed out on his own. in fact, i can't recall of a race that he did crash on his own other than in brazil in 03 but even micheal went off in the same spot.

jpm is arrogant but he has a lot of confidence in himself, he gives credit where credit is due.

I like the idea of JPM driving for West/McLaren/MBZ....I feel he will be a great asset to them. With JPM and Kimi paired up for the same team, this duo does make for a rather formidable force to be reckoned with. Come to think of it, with the exception of Jenson Button in his Honda, JPM and Kimi have been the only two other drivers in F1 that give Schuey something to worry about. If McLaren can develop (and more importantly, sustain) a fast and reliable car for 2005, the boys in red will have some work cut out for them.

I say this because Kimi nearly out-scored MS a couple of seasons ago in the points....he is good, really good. And who can forget JPMs pass on MS thru the bus stop at Spa in 2004? The man can squeek his way through traffic where you least suspect it. Again, if Ron Dennis & Co. can consistantly deliver strong and fast cars for 2005, and with these drivers at his disposal, this season's F1 circus could prove interesting.

....and that's my $.02

Jon

I like JPM, and am sad to see him go to McLaren. I think he will do well over there.

I strongly dislike Kimi. Iceman? How about Nopersonalityman? I am looking forward to them both being on the front row in Melbourne!!

I strongly dislike Kimi. Iceman? How about Nopersonalityman? I am looking forward to them both being on the front row in Melbourne!!

yeah kimi talks weird. he has no moderation in his tone, he is monotone!

I think JPM will finally be able to show his true POTENTIAL at mclaren because he will become the main man once he outraces KIMI but overall both racers should contend for the Tiitle and keep Ferrari working to catch up. :devillook

...once he outraces KIMI...

never gonna happen

KR 2005 WDC :stickoutt

Montoya, I believe, is aggressive enough, and talented enough, that in the proper car he could run with the Ferraris--although unless someone makes a car that is significantly better than the Ferrari I think Schumi will keep taking the championship.

never gonna happen

KR 2005 WDC :stickoutt


montoya will :spank kimi! :D