View Full Version : ICS/MM Engine artwork!!! Longblock complete, ships tommorow! Mods, please don't move!


DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 12:36 AM
First off, I'd request that the mods please not move this thread. Although the car isn't FI, seeing as there isn't an 'all motor' forum and seeing that this is an ultra-build up of a motor that isn't only found in 6 series cars, it's also found in 5er cars and some 3er cars with mods, even with turbos, I request that it be here. Also, the guys around here will be the ones who will truly appreciate what I'm doing here...you guys are the only ones crazy enough to understand, hehe...

Anyway, the long block is all together, the motor is in a crate, and it is being picked up by the courier tommorow. It is a bit late leaving there, but good things come to those that wait. These are pics posted by Teddy Rowe that are small resolution. He's sending me a DVD and a CD of pictures...that's over 5 GB of pictures! There are about 500 good pictures on it (he had about 300 that he deleted) in 3xxx by 2xxx resolution, so when that gets here, I'll go through them, filter out the worthy, and show 'em to you guys. Here are some highlights. Also, other aspects of the project are being closed in on as well :D

Anyway, on with the festivities! Here are the pix!

http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B8EC6B86A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B8F51B76A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B8F889C6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B9005586A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B9052916A9111D9.jpg

Notice the roundel-esque reflection in the upper left valve :D
http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B907D186A9111D9.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B90EF3C6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B9115046A9111D9.jpg

More in the next post....

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 12:43 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B913B506A9111D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B91DC6C6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B91DC6C6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B9205656A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B9232E76A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B92580D6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B92A2556A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B92C73C6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B940EDF6A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B94330F6A9111D9.jpg

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 12:44 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B9457E16A9111D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B947D046A9111D9.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B94A9AA6A9111D9.jpg

Hope you all enjoy...I'm certainly going to sleep well tonight :D

///BimmerPower
01-20-2005, 12:46 AM
That is perhaps the most beautiful engine I have ever seen. I cannot wait (i'm sure you can't either) till its all up and running in the m6. What a car that will be!!

Beautiful pictures as well... the engine is so clean I can eat off it!! :)

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 12:50 AM
That is perhaps the most beautiful engine I have ever seen. I cannot wait (i'm sure you can't either) till its all up and running in the m6. What a car that will be!!

Beautiful pictures as well... the engine is so clean I can eat off it!! :)

Thanks...yeah, I'm sad that the head and the block had to go together...and that it's gonna have to live in my engine bay...I wanna go buy an S38, send it to metric mechanic, have them do it up all nice, then put it in a glass case in my foyer...it's a work of art, IMO...they do unbelieveable work...and yes, I'm literally twitching with anticipation in having it back. I have a whole bunch of other stuff coming together too...as long as most things pull through, expect the project to be entirely done for the most part by April. I'm not talking about the engine, I'm talking about the whole shebang. If I haven't done standalone by then, well....it's just beginning :D :D :buttrock :buttrock

icemann633
01-20-2005, 01:10 AM
WOW! Amazing!

How much power is that thing gonna put out?

DakarDave
01-20-2005, 01:18 AM
wow. nice pics and even nicer engine!!! wow!

paul e
01-20-2005, 01:21 AM
be still mine heart :D notice, all the valves have the bmw roundel reflection in them.. That only bodes good things ahead for this engine.. IT must feel good, having such detailed pics of your engine. Now you can envision it up close and personal every time youre pulling sub 5 second 0-60s... must be exciting.

PePsI BlUe E36
01-20-2005, 01:32 AM
this may sound wierd but looking at that engine made me want to eat off it,,,,, maybe it was just that clean

highboostingm3
01-20-2005, 01:35 AM
:eek: Thank you so much for sharing those pics! I have never seen anything like that before. I really love that engine. I would want to encase it in glass for display as well. You are truly doing something that a doubt any other has ever done. And you were right, we, the FI community on bimmerforums, can truly appreciate it! :worship:

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 01:36 AM
WOW! Amazing!

How much power is that thing gonna put out?

Thanks! We're hoping/expecting around 400 at the crank on stock engine management, and well upwards of 450 on stand-alone engine management, which goes on once the engine is broken in. These numbers are on pump gas. Race gas raises these numbers significantly...

wow. nice pics and even nicer engine!!! wow!
Thanks...You show me yours, I'll show you mine....engine :stickoutt When it's all finished, come with George to casa del ivanhoe for a demonstration of the M6 in its element...twisty backcountry roads and I-684 for high speed bahnburning...she doesn't like traffic lights...oh yeah, bring the yellow roadie too, that's your admission pass :D

be still mine heart :D notice, all the valves have the bmw roundel reflection in them.. That only bodes good things ahead for this engine.. IT must feel good, having such detailed pics of your engine. Now you can envision it up close and personal every time youre pulling sub 5 second 0-60s... must be exciting. Those roundels were the first thing I noticed, and when Teddy called to confirm the pics, the first thing he said was, 'did you check the valves out? Can you see the roun...' (me, cut him off) 'YEAH, the roundels reflecting in the valves, it's amazing!' (teddy) 'yeah, those valves really decided to put on a show for the camera!' Hopefully it'll be a good luck charm, a sign of good things to come :D And although I won't be able to see and touch it, somehow I think I'll get by with the 5+ GB of pix I'll have, the primal scream she'll emit whenever I open her up, and yes...the sub 5 second 0-60s :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock ...Paul, you too are invited to casa del Ivanhoe for a demonstration and backroads blasting...hell, I should turn this into a meet...the M6's debut...lol, my car is a debutante, how greenwich :rolleyes...and yes, the prerequisite is for your ///M car to show up, maybe we can get an ICS photoshoot going on afterward in the nice backcountry scenery...it would certainly produce some background-worthy shots :D

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 01:41 AM
:eek: Thank you so much for sharing those pics! I have never seen anything like that before. I really love that engine. I would want to encase it in glass for display as well. You are truly doing something that a doubt any other has ever done. And you were right, we, the FI community on bimmerforums, can truly appreciate it! :worship:

Cam, this is the beginning of 'never seen it before' stuff...just sit back and enjoy the ride :D And yes, I like to lead the pack in doing stuff nobody else has done before, that's kinda why I chose the M6, aside from the fact that I just love it to death :D. I'm just glad I'm surrounded by dudes who actually understand and appreciate where I'm coming from :D If you're ever in the area, stop by, it would be great to meet you, hang out, and give you a demonstration of her abilities :D...maybe you'd like to come out for the M6's debutante cerimony? :D

this may sound wierd but looking at that engine made me want to eat off it,,,,, maybe it was just that clean Just make sure you hot tank her after you're finished...LOL...If you're willing to take a bit of a drive, you too are welcome to attend the debutante festivities...:D

bigmansM
01-20-2005, 01:46 AM
hey Matt,
If you need a place to host your images, use that folder i dedicated to u, Ill give u the info. u need.

still waiting for my pics...

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 02:03 AM
hey Matt,
If you need a place to host your images, use that folder i dedicated to u, Ill give u the info. u need.

still waiting for my pics...

That would be awesome for the hostage...

Didn't have a chance to get to the photo store today, I was hiding from the 5 degree weather (with wind chill) and the snow on the comfort of the leather couch at ICS...:D We need to talk business, I have some good news for you too :D

bimmerpwr
01-20-2005, 03:52 AM
Dude, you got some mad skills, look at the lighting of some of the photos!

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 03:54 AM
Dude, you got some mad skills, look at the lighting of some of the photos!

Gotta give the props to Teddy Rowe...he took the pix as the motor was going together...i'm a bit far away to take them...the motor is in missouri right now, i'm in CT :D :D :D

card counter
01-20-2005, 05:13 AM
Defacto that is awsome.That motor is going to scream,Rememeber its a
break in period not break break it up :lol
How long before total project is done? the sound of that engine is
somthing I definitlty want to hear

ledlum
01-20-2005, 08:07 AM
Defacto that is awsome.That motor is going to scream,Rememeber its a
break in period not break break it up :lol
How long before total project is done? the sound of that engine is
somthing I definitlty want to hear


LOL yea Defacto is the engine killer :D Dammm those are some nice pictures I will use it as wallpaper for my computer.

IMPORTEDCARS
01-20-2005, 08:58 AM
Defacto that is awsome.That motor is going to scream,Rememeber its a
break in period not break break it up :lol
How long before total project is done? the sound of that engine is
somthing I definitlty want to hear
I hear you Card Counter, ill have to hook up 240volts to the gas pedal that gets activated @ 3000 rpm so he wont kill his engine while its in break in process. That will also relax him on the shift too. :)

DukeM535i/Turbo
01-20-2005, 09:48 AM
I strongly reccomend that you use a clear engine paint on all of the aluminum. Othewise the aluminum will collect oil and dirt and look bad quickly.

Here is my engine when it was NA - http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/269000-269999/269576_123_full.jpg

And my Turbo monster, with the same Hartge H6S cylinder head - http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/269000-269999/269576_230_full.jpg

Except for the block, everything is powdercoated.

You are right, you are as crazy as me.

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 12:15 PM
I strongly reccomend that you use a clear engine paint on all of the aluminum. Othewise the aluminum will collect oil and dirt and look bad quickly.

Except for the block, everything is powdercoated.

You are right, you are as crazy as me.

Believe you me, I'm clearcoating or powdercoating everything aluminum. Im probably going to clearcoat a special set of sandblasted items that should be coming up soon :D, and if I decide I want to go all the way with it, I'll either have them polished and clear-powdercoated, jet-hot coated or plated. (Duke, check your PMs, I may need some help of yours given your location in Germany...I need some parts :D) As for when I think the project will be finished...is it ever finished...hmmmm....tough one...LOL! What I mean by 'stage 1 complete' is pretty much the bulk of things, and having a very strong base. Stage 1 is going to be completed ideally by late march-early april. Stage II is from there on. Here's the breakdown of 'stages':

Stage 1

An almost finalized suspension. The only thing that I might consider 'amping up' with the suspension after 'stage 1' would be either a swap to different springs and custom valved konis or bilsteins, or a GC coilover suspension with 2.5" swappable springs and dual adjustable Advance Design shocks. I doubt I'll go to the GC setup, it'll make things too harsh, and given all of the innovative, trick stuff I'm designing for the suspension, will be totally unneccesary. The car will ride like a proper sports car, but will carve, react, balance and give unfiltered feedback with razor sharp precision and accuracy. I'm basically looking to make it the most involving, awe, glee and confidence inspiring handling machine with the compliance and comfort of a stock Porsche 911 or Boxter. The car will be setup, tuned and tested at Sebring in Florida. I can say that with the exception of experimenting with valving on shocks or trying different springs, I'll probably do the suspension once.

I've decided what I want to do about brakes, which are UUC 14" front and 13" rear brakes with polished calipers and the UUC logo painted cinnibar red (same color as my exterior, I'm that obsessive), slotted rotors, motul RBF600 fluid and a 750iL master cylinder, which is an upgrade from the stock 23.4mm(i think?) to a 25mm master cylinder (from the 750iL as you've probably figured out by now), which is a bolt-in operation. Again, once I have these, I can almost promise you that there's no chance I'll upgrade these down the line, the only thing I might do is play around with different rotor types and pads, but who doesn't do that.

The interior is about to go to Mobile Innovations in NJ (www.miautodesign.com) for a floor to ceiling restoration. This involves replacement of almost all lotus white leather in the interior with vat-dyed conolly leather that they somehow managed to locate (conolly went out of business a short while ago, and just for reference, the car comes stock with spray-dyed leather, which doesn't hold a candle to vat-dyed leather), the seams are being done in piping vat dyed red in matched cinnibar red color (same color as the exterior). The front seats are receiving a special padding treatment, which is going to be a blend of memory foam and raised bolsters so the seat forms to my body, and the seat is custom tailored to my body size, so the increased bolster size will work perfectly in holding me in tighter and keeping me comfy. The ///M6 logo is also going to be embossed in the front seats, a la Maserati:D The carpet is going to be redone with wilton carpeting (found in bentleys, rolls, ferraris, etc) dyed lotus white, to match the seats. Matching mats will be made as well, with embroidered M6 logos and cinnibar red border stitching. The entire center console will be restitched as one piece of leather, and wil include a 3 gauge pod angled at the driver. A custom e-brake boot and handle will be made to match the lotus white suede shifter boot and ///M lit ergo handle (the ///M ergo handle will have cinnibar red suede on the underside of the shifter). I am having seatbelts dyed Cinnibar red as well. I doubt I'm going to change anything with this once it's done. Still deciding on what wheel I want to use, but I'm getting pretty close to deciding..

Stereo: I'm still TBA, but have pretty much decided on a Nakamichi CD-75 head unit. CDT Audio EuroSport Z-comp 6.5 components front and rear are my top choice as of right now. The fronts will be mounted in kickpanels upholstered in Lotus White leatherette (it's more durable, easier to clean up, etc, which is important considering their location), and I'll have a set of secondary CDT silk-dome tweeters in the doors in the stock locations. A Kicker S10L7 solo baric sub (the square one) will be used underneath the rear seats for size/power delivery reasons. Phoenix Gold or Soundstream amps are my current choices for audio. I'm also going to try and figure out a completely invisible way to have an LCD in the car for when I go standalone. Will most likely be completed during stage 1, possibly 1/2 done stage 1, 1/2 done in stage 2.

Wheels: Decided, it's already done. DP Engineering R16s (www.dpengineering.cc go check it out!) in 18x8 front, 18x10 rear with polished rims, satin centers, satin center cap with cinnibar red painted DP Engineering logo. 235/40/18 and 275/40/18 rear Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s courtesy of my uncle, who happens to be the majority shareholder in the largest tire distribution company on the east coast. If you guys need tires, gimme a shout, I could probably help you out on pricing. All of this is finalized, and going down soon.

Stage II

Autotronics stand alone engine management with MAP metering, sequential injection, direct ignition, electronic idle control, WB02 adaptive AFR throttle-input dependent active fuel mapping, multi-thresholded knock sensing, full idle, part throttle and full throttle fuel maps for multiple grades and varieties of race gas. This will be coming in mid to late april-early may. Stand alone is certain, there's a chance it will be a TECIIIR instead of an Autotronics. Open throttle horns will be used with different types of horns used to change engine charachteristics.

Full repaint...there are some stone chips on the nose of the car, otherwise, the paint is pretty damn nice (paul, you can back me up on this). I'll do something about this. I also have a set of genuine M-tech side skirts and rear valence, which will go on at this point as well. Shadowline trim will be done as well. Date: TBA

Gregor Performance/Ruthless Research billet aluminum engine, tranny mounts, carbon/alloy driveshaft, E36 dual-mount rear diff with a different gear ratio, titanium half-shafts. Date: Still deciding whether I want this or not...

GP/RR CF hood, euro valence and bumper conversion, one piece spoiler/trunk, fenders and sunroof, all painted...waiting for them to design them, and deciding whether or not I want to butcher the car like that and if I want to pay for it, but it would save well over 400lbs...the big savigs will be in the front valence/bumper conversion...

A cinnibar powdercoated rollbar/cage. Date: when I do enough racing with it, but I doubt this will happen


Wow...this is a long post...and I only gave you guys a general description, I was intentionally vague on quite a few things...so you can imagine what goes through my head with this car...lol...and I still manage to find time/space to dream up other projects I want to do...:D

California6er
01-20-2005, 01:02 PM
wow




wow





wow :eek:


When I get out of college and get rich one day, thats what I'm gona so to my M6, but 3-310 hp is what I'm going to have to deal with for now. Would love to see the car in person when its finished.

Bimmubishi
01-20-2005, 01:13 PM
Is there assembly lube on any of the cam bearings?

WhiteM32
01-20-2005, 01:21 PM
Engine=Sex
Can't wait to see the finished project

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 02:19 PM
wow




wow





wow :eek:


When I get out of college and get rich one day, thats what I'm gona so to my M6, but 3-310 hp is what I'm going to have to deal with for now. Would love to see the car in person when its finished.


Come to the debutante ball for her...I'm introducing her to the world in style :D...and where are pictures of your M6? I never see other M6 owners on BFC...i need to find more of my M6 brothers...

Engine=Sex

Indeed...:D...indeed :D

And this car is going to be covered through every stage of its buildup...don't worry, you'll watch her become something the world could've never even fathomed... :evil2 :evil2 :evil2...plus, you're in CT, come down for the lady's debut to the automotive world...she'll be ready, I don't know if everyone will be ready for her :D

EMC
01-20-2005, 05:19 PM
Is there assembly lube on any of the cam bearings?

I was going to say the same thing yesterday. I just didn't want to question the engine builder and raise any concerns.

Lube the hell out of those lobes (at the very least before you crank it over). Personally, I'd want the journals lubed up before hand as well. They will score if its fired up dry. My engine guy uses a special sauce that he makes up. It's sticky as hell so it stays on the metal until you can get oil flowing through the motor. Cam lube will work just fine.

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 05:25 PM
I was going to say the same thing yesterday. I just didn't want to question the engine builder and raise any concerns.

Lube the hell out of those lobes (at the very least before you crank it over). Personally, I'd want the journals lubed up before hand as well. They will score if its fired up dry. My engine guy uses a special sauce that he makes up. It's sticky as hell so it stays on the metal until you can get oil flowing through the motor. Cam lube will work just fine.

I don't know if they were lubed yet as of when they went in, but when I talked to Jim, he says that he lubes them up extra so that everything goes smoothly, even if someone leaves the motor sitting for a few years. Obviously, that's not my case, however, he did say that it was going to be done, but that's very easy to double check, thanks for the heads up Eric :D

patrick S
01-20-2005, 05:30 PM
[QUOTE]Gregor Performance/Ruthless Research billet aluminum engine, tranny mounts, carbon/alloy driveshaft, E36 dual-mount rear diff with a different gear ratio, titanium half-shafts. QUOTE]
aluminium engine and tranny mounts- rubber will be better if it will be daily driver, use special cups over mounts
carbon/alloy driveshaft- idunno
E36 dual-mount rear diff will not hold power i quess, look towards 7 series
titanium half-shafts-new factory parts perform just fine

so what did you decided with cams?
remember our conversation about different profile
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299197&page=3&pp=25
what lift and what duration?

oh and oil prime that engine

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 06:52 PM
[QUOTE]Gregor Performance/Ruthless Research billet aluminum engine, tranny mounts, carbon/alloy driveshaft, E36 dual-mount rear diff with a different gear ratio, titanium half-shafts. QUOTE]
aluminium engine and tranny mounts- rubber will be better if it will be daily driver, use special cups over mounts
carbon/alloy driveshaft- idunno
E36 dual-mount rear diff will not hold power i quess, look towards 7 series
titanium half-shafts-new factory parts perform just fine

so what did you decided with cams?
remember our conversation about different profile
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299197&page=3&pp=25
what lift and what duration?

oh and oil prime that engine

284/274...

MrBlonde
01-20-2005, 07:40 PM
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and a 750iL master cylinder, which is an upgrade from the stock 23.4mm(i think?) to a 25mm master cylinder (from the 750iL as you've probably figured out by now), which is a bolt-in operation.
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May I suggest a Tilton pedal set and a brake balance bar instead?

The interior is about to go to Mobile Innovations in NJ for a floor to ceiling restoration.
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Stereo: I'm still TBA, but have pretty much decided on a Nakamichi CD-75 head unit.
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All that extra weight to make that poor little NA engine even more sad. ;-)

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Autotronics stand alone engine management
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On a maximum effort car with a "standalone" ECU why wouldn't you go with Motec: the best there is?

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E36 dual-mount rear diff with a different gear ratio, titanium half-shafts
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Why not go with the 750/E46 M3 big diff housing and innards? Don't know whether you'll need to upgrade the half shafts with your engine.

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GP/RR CF hood, euro valence and bumper conversion, one piece spoiler/trunk, fenders
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Don't even debate it, carbon fibre/kevlar replacement panels are your friend.

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A cinnibar powdercoated rollbar/cage. Date: when I do enough racing with it, but I doubt this will happen
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You'll have to chop up your dashboard. It's either done at build time or forgotten I'd say. You don't want to do all that fancy interior work and then butcher it for a rollcage later on.

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 08:32 PM
Kenny...I'll look into the tilton stuff...depending on what that runs as far as $$$, I'll see what I can do.

The stereo equipment was chosen for its SQ and for weight. The biggest offender is the sub, but I'm doing a fiberglass enclosure so that I don't do it in any worse. The speakers, speaker amps and head unit add a maximum of probably 20 pounds to the car over the existing radio. Remember my goals with this car...it's gotta do everything perfectly...and there's nothing stopping me from pulling out the sub, amps and speakers for a track day, I had mobile innovations do it up so that they can be yanked easily. And if I wanted to compensate for the weight, I can just do the...

carbon fiber replacement stuff! I'm not doing any new school stuff, the only CF i might leave exposed would be the center hood bulge going to the kidneys. I'd probably do the bumpers next, that's a ton of weight hanging over the axles...and it cleans the looks up even more :D

As far as the bar's concerned, I wasn't thinking about a full on cage, something more that comes a little past the seats...but after talking to MI today, I'd still have to do a fair amount of hacking. That would be a no-go for me. Luckily for me I won't be breaking past 11 second quarter barriers that would require me to use one.

The reason for the E36 one is twofold: weight, plethora of parts, and cheap. I already have a diff that's probably beefier than the 750/E46 one. I have never seen one of those, however, take a look at the 3.91 used in the E24 M6/E28 M5s...the things are massive...Metric Mechanic, Frank Fahey, Pete McHenry and Korman all have said that they've never seen one of those diffs blow up regardless of power. That included the 900 some odd HP T88H turbo'd E28M5 that McHenry built a few years back. That being said, they're heavy as all hell, and are known for ripping holes in trunks. I'm not cool with that. I'd like a diff where I can have higher cooling capacity, greater ease of switching gears, and more parts available.

The titanium halfshafts are to save reciprocating mass in the drivetrain. The stock ones are ridiculously heavy...the titanium ones save a significant amount of weight. However, both the E36 diff and the whole ultra-light driveshaft stuff is still totally up in the air...though depending on what George says when I show him my current driveshaft, I may need one...the current one is torn up pretty badly after I broke the transmission mounts on a medium launch.

Regardless kenny, I think you're going to like the whole shebang...at the very least, the pics are pretty, no? :stickoutt :stickoutt :D

buldogge
01-20-2005, 09:41 PM
I wouldn't worry for a SINGLE second about Jim not lubing the journals. Jim's motors are METICULOUS. Many people don't know about Jim and Metric Mechanic or identify him with anything beyond E30 and older motors...BUT...he has built just about any kind of Bimmer engine you can imagine, and has quite a few "unadvertised" tricks up his sleeve.

That early 5 large diff case can be made to take the E46 internals. It may require custom shafts (but you're doing this anyway).

bumbavfan
01-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Holly Cow!! Those roundels on the valves gave me goose bumps!!!

All Hale THE KING!!! .....of NA that is.


AWESOME.

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 10:32 PM
So much for the mods actually listening to me...oh well...I still stand by my argument...
I wouldn't worry for a SINGLE second about Jim not lubing the journals. Jim's motors are METICULOUS. Many people don't know about Jim and Metric Mechanic or identify him with anything beyond E30 and older motors...BUT...he has built just about any kind of Bimmer engine you can imagine, and has quite a few "unadvertised" tricks up his sleeve.

That early 5 large diff case can be made to take the E46 internals. It may require custom shafts (but you're doing this anyway).
:thumbup: :thumbup: 'twas what I was thinking as well :D

And I notice your sig says custom pullies? Reeeeallly....? :evil2 :evil2 :evil2 I might be able to use some of those :evil2 :evil2 :evil2

Holly Cow!! Those roundels on the valves gave me goose bumps!!!

All Hale THE KING!!! .....of NA that is.


AWESOME.

Thanks...and I stand behind my offer to you...hell, if you can make it down, you can take your driving time in the form of hot laps @ Sebring :D

Slash
01-20-2005, 10:58 PM
i'm stupid...which pic has the roundels in the valves :help

DefactoM6
01-20-2005, 11:03 PM
i'm stupid...which pic has the roundels in the valves :help

deez wahn:
http://homepage.mac.com/metricmechanicinc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-01-19%2019.18.43%20-0800/Image-4B907D186A9111D9.jpg
but all of the valve pix kinda have a roundelish look to 'em due to the light :D

Mblaster
01-20-2005, 11:06 PM
Keep us up to date!
I'm learning a lot.
This is the best project on bf.c :handclap

DefactoM6
01-21-2005, 12:24 AM
Keep us up to date!
I'm learning a lot.
This is the best project on bf.c :handclap

Thanks! *tips imaginary hat*

With all the support you guys have shown, the least I can do is give you lots of updates with tons of pics! And for those who wish to come get one (and are willing to accept the risks involved :evil2 :evil2 :evil2 ) a ride in the 6ernator

buldogge
01-21-2005, 12:32 AM
PM or email me if you decide you want some! I would probably need stock ones (or I could procure them locally and figure the cost in)...


And I notice your sig says custom pullies? Reeeeallly....? :evil2 :evil2 :evil2 I might be able to use some of those :evil2 :evil2 :evil2

dm635
01-21-2005, 09:26 AM
it's good to know your 'monster' will be driven,not hidden under covers never to see light again.i belonged to the NOVA club in houston(i had a 69 SS) and only 2 of us drove our cars to shows.the rest arrived on trailers.i could not have a car just to look at,it must and will be driven.restored cars are beautiful,but what's the point if you cant enjoy it?too much money i guess.i still have a soft spot for hot rods,but i've only owned european cars since '95.

jcsomerset
01-21-2005, 01:35 PM
Come to the debutante ball for her...I'm introducing her to the world in style :D...and where are pictures of your M6? I never see other M6 owners on BFC...i need to find more of my M6 brothers...



I post all the time - Read my sig!

(so does cali6er for that matter)

Consider yourself officially to have met some other M6 brethren.!~

:redspot :alright

DefactoM6
01-23-2005, 04:34 PM
I post all the time - Read my sig!

(so does cali6er for that matter)

Consider yourself officially to have met some other M6 brethren.!~

:redspot :alright

*cough* PICS NOW :D *cough*

de Witt
01-24-2005, 01:09 PM
What were you doing to the oil restrictor hole? I see the picture of it being drilled out some. Did you post about that earlier but I missed it?

DefactoM6
01-24-2005, 01:13 PM
What were you doing to the oil restrictor hole? I see the picture of it being drilled out some. Did you post about that earlier but I missed it?

I didn't post about it specifically, but that's one of Rowe's signature 'tricks' he does for the S38 motor. Those have a tendency to get clogged up, cause the intake plenum to fill up with oil, and make the car run like absolute shit, burning oil all over the place and just being annoying. This becomes exaggerated when one increases the displacement of the motor. He drills it out to be much larger, which eliminates the risk of such embarassing, dangerous things happening. If you're getting your motor rebuilt, it's always a good idea to do that...

de Witt
01-24-2005, 03:44 PM
Ok, that makes sense. I know more about the S38B36s which have an oil separator from the plenum.

Thanks for the knowledge :cool

Hope to see some vids of that sweet M6 soon :devillook

DefactoM6
01-24-2005, 03:50 PM
Ok, that makes sense. I know more about the S38B36s which have an oil separator from the plenum.

Thanks for the knowledge :cool

Hope to see some vids of that sweet M6 soon :devillook

There will be more video than you could hope to shake a stick at...or two sticks...maybe even three sticks! You might have trouble holding that many sticks! :stickoutt :stickoutt :stickoutt One thing's for sure, you won't get tired of the vids or the sound of that car at full song :D