Ran into 3 C32's & 2 C55's at our Summer slam last drag event of the year. Queues were extremely long & very hot. The MErc guys decided to blow & got do their own private testing at a venue they use. I asked if I could tag along & have a few runs. They laughed at me & said they eat M3's for breakfast. So I said fair enough they could use me for entertainment.

Anyway, they get there & start doing the runs. Stretch was about 1km. 1 C55 was tuned & all the other MErc's were stock although 1 of the C32's was on drag radials. After they settled the pecking order, they wanted to go home. I asked about my runs & they said I should race the slowest C32 there which was a red one.

I ran the red one & must have been over 6-7 lengths ahead over 1km reaching speeds of close to 150mph & still pulling away. SO they guys thought the red C32 didn't put his box in sport mode or something & wanted me to run again. I said no way I want to run the fastest Merc. But then they set me up with the C32 with drag radials.

I still jumped him about a length off the line in stock Pirellis & the gap was about the same as with the red one. So now they take me seriously & set me up with the fastest car, the tuned C55. Well needless to say the M3 the M3 prevailed & was about 3 lengths ahead & pulling.

Good run. did you drop the clutch at 3500-4000rpm? :D

Here's a few more pics from a previous drag event I attended:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Drags/Drag03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Drags/Tarlton029.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Drags/Tarlton013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Drags/Tarlton001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Skidpan/Skidpan014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Skidpan/Skidpan012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Skidpan/Skidpan016.jpg

Ran into 3 C32's & 2 C55's at our Summer slam last drag event of the year. Queues were extremely long & very hot. The MErc guys decided to blow & got do their own private testing at a venue they use. I asked if I could tag along & have a few runs. They laughed at me & said they eat M3's for breakfast. So I said fair enough they could use me for entertainment.

Anyway, they get there & start doing the runs. Stretch was about 1km. 1 C55 was tuned & all the other MErc's were stock although 1 of the C32's was on drag radials. After they settled the pecking order, they wanted to go home. I asked about my runs & they said I should race the slowest C32 there which was a red one.

I ran the red one & must have been over 6-7 lengths ahead over 1km reaching speeds of close to 150mph & still pulling away. SO they guys thought the red C32 didn't put his box in sport mode or something & wanted me to run again. I said no way I want to run the fastest Merc. But then they set me up with the C32 with drag radials.
I still jumped him about a length off the line in stock Pirellis & the gap was about the same as with the red one. So now they take me seriously & set me up with the fastest car, the tuned C55. Well needless to say the M3 the M3 prevailed & was about 3 lengths ahead & pulling. :eek: :nono Pulling away up top on the C55 and C32!A tuned C55 at that! Can't see it!What a Story! :rolleyes

Yeah well, shit happens. I have the eurospec 343hp & you can check any euro mag test & see that the M3 is quicker than the C55 even an high speeds.

Someone always has to doubt the writer and call BS here on bimmerforums...lol

Happens on every post here in the kill section. Nice kill(s) way to show those mercs whos wearing the daddy pants, lol.

Well, what do you know? MPower delivers. Here's SPort Auto's test of the C55:

http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/c55amg2004-1.htm

Test in ams 07/2004
Gewicht 1660 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,2 s
0 - 130 km/h 8,2 s
0 - 140 km/h 9,3 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 15,0 s
0 - 200 km/h 18,8 s
400 m, stehender Start 13,5 s

And here's their test of the M3 6MT with 18" (which is what I have):

http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m32003-2.htm

Test in ams 1/2003
Gewicht 1570 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 140 km/h 8,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 10,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,7 s
0 - 200 km/h 16,8 s

Well, I don't know about you, but I have beaten some cars &, in turn, been beaten by some cars by over a second & its a big gap. So what kind of a gap is 2 seconds to 124mph?

I guess the lower weight, better drivetrain efficiency with manual & LSD, shorter gearing, etc made the M3 quicker as here's a different source confirming this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Comp/M3vsC55.jpg

Note M3 has 1mph higher trap speed over 1/4 mile & 1km.

very nice run. nice to see some m3 at the strip.

WAIT, the e46 M3 is governed at 155? Before I sharked my car I could hit 170 till i felt the governor slowly kick in...unless my speedo has gone haywire? :eek:

WAIT, the e46 M3 is governed at 155? Before I sharked my car I could hit 170 till i felt the governor slowly kick in...unless my speedo has gone haywire? :eek:



he is in africa, so may not have the US imposed restriction of 155

M&M, no «sh*t» in the main forums please. :nono

Oh, and magazine racing... meh... :az

That being said, if all that is true, well, nice runs. Is your car stock? Did you run the STi and the S4?

Hugo, I'm not one for magazine racing. I do it on the track as you can see. I have videos of my runs with the C55 & the S4 (in the wet). I beat the S4 confortably every time. The Sti belongs to my buddy & its tuned. I cant seem to catch him over 1/4 mile but just after that distance I pass him. But I haven't run him again lately.

You must remember that I am at 6000ft elevation so we lose over 18% power with the thinner air up here. I think its similar to the elevation you guys have at Denver.

great runs man, good job showing Merc whos top dog. carlski, sounds like you are a bit pissed that you dont have an E46 M3. It's ok tho, if you add up your 323 and dsm and fake 55 and e36 m3, you almost equal the dopeness and supreme greatness of an E46 M3. one day you'll make it all the way.
and hugo. it's obvious he wasnt magazine racing considering he just told the story of the races :rolleyes , he was providing stats and performance specs to help carlski figure his obtuse problem of HOW OH HOW could a E46 M3 beat the Mercs...magazine racing is when you compare statistics of the cars without actually having raced them yet...


carlski, im also wondering how your AWD talon can make 412 RWHP. now, if your sig said FWHP or AWHP it would make much more sense to me. I imagine it was quite tricky getting the power to only your REAR wheels when on the dyno...

:eek: :nono Pulling away up top on the C55 and C32!A tuned C55 at that! Can't see it!What a Story! :rolleyes


what's hard to believe? my bros. IS3 can pull on a new E55 let alone a C55................so any car can pull on anything given the amount of mods done to it ;)

nice run and nice cars at that event :buttrock

E46 M3 is a beautiful car hands down and I take nothing away from it. However, I won't get into a pissing match with someone who only has 4 :eek: posts in the forum who just joined TODAY!. I have no comment about your 325 because in all fairness I don't want to offend the other Bimmer Brethren including myself who own them.Then that makes me look bad.By the way,who has a 323,get it right now! :nono It says 332i 3.2L :rolleyes If you wish to take on any one of them,let me know.Perhaps my Fake55 :nono But I do have a sense of humor! :D Look it's AWHP now! ;)

Easy gents... :cop

:lol Thanx for the sarcasm NOOBIE! ;) I will change the sig to AWHP! You're right.It's all good.Figured you would be bright enuff to know it was an AWD dyno.

If I want an E46 M3 believe me I could get one but I'd get the E39 M5 or a 2003 W211 E55 instead my friend and it's not on my list of priorities right now.

E46 M3 is a beautiful car hands down and I take nothing away from it. However, I won't get into a pissing match with someone who only has 4 :eek: posts in the forum who just joined TODAY!. I have no comment about your 325 because in all fairness I don't want to offend the other Bimmer Brethren including myself who own them.Then that makes me look bad.By the way,who has a 323,get it right now! :nono It says 332i 3.2L :rolleyes If you wish totake on any one of them,let me know. :nono But I do have a sense of humor! :D
Your a true car enthusiast coolcarlski. Good for you man, dont put up with other peoples crap. Either way I'm a self 325i hater. I wish I would have gotten an e36 M3 or 330i. But I didn't. Next car :D :D

But dont get me wrong I love my car :)

Easy gents... :copYou Got it Man! ;) I was still being nice to him,because I feared you come by!!LOL :) I'll edit.

What difference does it make how many posts I have?

But dont get me wrong I love my car :)yea ,when I had the 2.5L I enjoyed the car just as much as I do now.Well maybe a lil more now(3.2L). But it surprised me and is a little more fun to drive around than my Benzo.Only difference now is still the torque.

Finally M&M has made his way to the BMW forum....TROLLING!! :lol

when did the story of you racing the C55 "only" changed into C55 and many other C32??? 5-6 car length on the C32 :lol don't tell me your car runs in the 12s quarter mile.

oh yeah, and don't forget your 100/95 octane race fuel mix. :rolleyes

Hey, Frank, how can I troll when I'm a BMW owner onto my 5th M3. This is my home ground ;) I don't know if you noticed but I decided not to post this on the MB forums for fear of getting lynched.

Don't kid yourself, you can get "lynched" here too, depending on how you conduct yourself... ;)

People like Frank, who may not own a BMW, have been contributing members here for a very long time and are treated with respect by the Admin Staff here...

when did the story of you racing the C55 "only" changed into C55 and many other C32??? 5-6 car length on the C32 :lol don't tell me your car runs in the 12s quarter mile.

oh yeah, and don't forget your 100/95 octane race fuel mix. :rolleyes

Actually yeah. I ran 13.0 @ 107.9 bone stock. And on the Summer Slam day I had pump fuel.

What's a C32 with pullies trap? I bet its around 107.

13.0 = 12's?? :confused

Silver that was my only run at sea-level & I did a 2.1 60ft. I normally do 1.9's. But I only got 1 run 'cos of the queues & the heat.

As we drag racers like to say, "If it ain't been run, it ain't been done..."

OK, it ain't been done yet. But my trap has gone from 107.9 to 110.4.

You see the before graph? Well in that bone stock state (yeah with racing fuel Frank) I did 13.0 @ 107.9.

http://**************/img93/4166/Dyno3.jpg

Actually yeah. I ran 13.0 @ 107.9 bone stock. And on the Summer Slam day I had pump fuel.

What's a C32 with pullies trap? I bet its around 107.

that I wouldn't know. I don't have a pully kit.

either way...if anyone cares http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84112&page=1&pp=10&highlight=M%26M

You said this is your home turf, yet people still don't respect you? what is that all about? Maybe it has to do w/ your story that one race can stem into 3-4 storys, I dunno. If this is your home turf, what the heck were you posting on MBworld.org for?

I'm pretty sure to me and many other, you are just an older KAIN w/ more experience of trolling.

Yeah, that's great, but it ain't been done yet = ain't been done.

I've been drag racing since 1986, you know how many times I've seen guys add mods to their cars, get higher trap speeds as a result, but not lower their ET's??? Half the time...

Either the mods that raised their traps make traction an issue, or due to the higher traps they need to shift to the next gear to cross the line, which negates any gains in ET, etc...

So like I said, if it ain't been run, it ain't been done. Don't talk about what you think your car runs unless it's done it, otherwise you're gonna embarass yourself here... just a little friendly advice...

that I wouldn't know. I don't have a pully kit.

either way...if anyone cares http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84112&page=1&pp=10&highlight=M%26M

You said this is your home turf, yet people still don't respect you? what is that all about? Maybe it has to do w/ your story that one race can stem into 3-4 storys, I dunno. If this is your home turf, what the heck were you posting on MBworld.org for?
I'm pretty sure to me and many other, you are just an older KAIN w/ more experience of trolling.MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm!! You Gotta point there Frank! :devillook

Silver it ain't been done, so I won't claim to run 12's yet. OK? But I do claim to trap over 110. And I do claim to have beaten C32', C55's & S4's. And I have the videos. Frank has linked to the one.

And when I said home ground, I meant that a BMW forum would be my home ground. Not necessarilly this one.

True that.
M&M You obviously have the potential to be in the 12's with that 110 trap speed!So show um whats up next time at the track. And carlski, you are obviously cool enough to have those 4 cars, BMWs and DSMs are a nice mix, throw the benz in there and you are big pimpin for sho! but you dont need to call BS, a win is a win, and that was his story.Apparently there's some speculative history there with the M&M gentlman though NonVanos.

There isn't much you can comment on about my 325is. It is the 1992 OG E36, baby! I paid $29,800 cash in 1992 and have modded it as tastefully as I saw fit without changing the power plant or wasting money. I have put a good 10 grand into her and she has only 82K miles and her laguna paint shines like new. Id LOVE to take on ANY of your cars, you lead the way to the twisties...and I'll lead the way out. I'll show you what a quaife w/3.46 rear end in a in a lil ol 325is no-vanos-mobile can do. Maybe youd like to meet up for a nice auto-x event...ill even let you run R compounds. Or if youd like we can meet up on a mountain so I can go Dori San drifto style on you, my gook side likes to shine once in a while.

PS, I am a long time bf.c member, this is just a new name.

Check your PM's immediately, please.

Getting back to the kills, good stuff man. It sounds like you know how to drive your car to the max! :) It has a lot to do with the driver too ;)

Getting back to the kills, good stuff man. It sounds like you know how to drive your car to the max! :) It has a lot to do with the driver too ;)Man you're 1hr and 11 minutes late! LOL :D

i believe you can beat it, but not 6-7 cars :nono







Check your PM's immediately, please.

hehe, did you tell him you banned him

When it's hot the C32's start to slow down, so I assume that track day was real hot...IN cool weather they are at their best..

When it's hot the C32's start to slow down, so I assume that track day was real hot...IN cool weather they are at their best..


exactly, i notice it with my F/I car as well

what's hard to believe? my bros. IS3 can pull on a new E55 let alone a C55................so any car can pull on anything given the amount of mods done to it ;) :nono A lexus IS300? Stck no turbo kit?Is that what you mean?:eek: (IS3) And then you woke up! :rolleyes




so any car can pull on anything given the amount of mods done to it Simply Amazing!!!!

So like I said, if it ain't been run, it ain't been done. Don't talk about what you think your car runs unless it's done it, otherwise you're gonna embarass yourself here... just a little friendly advice...

:devillook

Good to hear Ms kicking some butt. I can only beat C32s in my dream, sadly :help

ps. 6-7 cars you said? :eek:

FWIW,

I've personally seens stock C32's run 13.1-13.2@108mph consistently.

It we were to put the two cars together from a roll on punch, say, 50mph, I would give the edge to the C32.

Well, it seems that now you guys have to put up with him; as I documented in this post on MBworld (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88754), his favorite trolling board other than Audiworld, M&M has quite literally been trolling for years, first on the Audiworld S4 forums (where he still trolls to this day (http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/143764.phtml)), then continuing on to the MBworld forums, as shown in this post (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82833), and in this post (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91447), and in this post (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84112)...get the picture? :eyecrazy

And now he's here, carrying on his favorite tradition: throwing bricks into hornet nests. :redspot Allow me to introduce him and his techniques, to save you guys some time. :D

As I explained in a recent post on MBworld, M&M chiefly does the following: 1) either begin a thread or jump into one making a claim sure to incite; 2) post cherry-picked magazine statistics to back it up; 3) assault the credibility of any magazine statistic or other data which counters it; 4) shoot the messenger (i.e., anyone who posts magazine stats which counter his or just disagree with him), 5) omit or obfuscate key facts.

As we can see by reading this post, he's already demonstrated 1), 2), 4), and 5) here. Witness the cherry-picked data (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3436093&postcount=7) he used to compare the C32 and M3 (he's also done this in MBworld, for example here (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=972462&postcount=34) and as I showed here (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=972318&postcount=74)). Only problem: even his cherry-picked data contradicts itself, as we shall see. The first set of numbers, which he chose deliberately, were of the fastest M3 ever tested by Auto Motor und Sport magazine. The car did indeed clock the numbers he's claiming, *but* look at the tests he chose to ignore, posted at the same site (http://www.einszweidrei.de/) from which he cherry-picked the fastest possible M3 numbers:
As tested by Auto Motor und Sport, 12/2002: (http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m32002-1.htm)
0 - 80 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,2 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,1 s
0 - 140 km/h 9,0 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,6 s
0 - 180 km/h 14,8 s
0 - 200 km/h 18,6 s

Fast, but not *nearly* as fast. Also note how the M3's 0-100 mph time (160 km/h) in the scanned AutoCar test he posted was 11.5 seconds--closer to the AMS test he did not post, and definitely not in line with his cherry pick.

Just like this test (http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m32003-1.htm), which he also chose not to use:
0 - 80 km/h 3,7 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,0 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 140 km/h 8,6 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,4 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,8 s
0 - 200 km/h 17,9 s

So, of three tests, he chooses the one, and the only one, which was a flyer. Look at the American mags' tests for the M3: Road & Track, Car & Driver, Motor Trend...all got 0-100 mph times in the high 11's to low 12's in multiple tests, all of which M&M is aware of, but he deliberately chooses the fastest M3 test.

Just as he chose the slowest C55 test. there are two C55 tests posted at the site: one a bit faster, the other a bit slower. Guess which one he picked:
Well, it wasn't this one, the faster one: (http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/c55amgst2004-2.htm)
0 - 80 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,2 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 9,2 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 14,7 s
0 - 200 km/h 18,3 s

And of course, were he to have published C32 numbers from the same source, I can promise you he wouldn't have chosen this one (http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/c32amg2003-1.htm):
0 - 80 km/h 3,7 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,0 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 140 km/h 8,9 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,1 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 16,9 s

No, we can't play without stacking the deck. :nono

We certainly couldn't, for example, mention the following Car & Driver test (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=8682&page_number=1) from last month, of which M&M is aware, where the C55 was tested (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=8682&page_number=5) at 4.7 seconds 0-60, 11.3 to 100 (160 km/h), and ran a 13.3 @ 108 1/4 mile, could we?

Nor could we mention the Motor Trend C32 test (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0308_sport/index.html) where the C32 was tested (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0308_sport/index6.html) at 4.77 seconds 0-60, 11.80 to 100 (160 km/h), and ran a 13.24 @ 106.86 1/4 mile, could we?

Nor does he happen to mention to you all anywhere in this thread, as he admitted to us in this post, that his car is not stock, but has been modified (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=935223&postcount=7):

But this is what he does. An objective presentation, let alone examination, of data is not what he wants, only cherry-picked data to support his Trolling Tall Tales. :lol For some reason, the guy is absolutely obsessed with belittling any and all competitors to his beloved BMW, every chance he gets, and has been at it for years. :flamethro

And he says he's not a magazine racer?? Lol...well, I guess that explains this (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91447), and this (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=887966&postcount=8), and this (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=888348&postcount=12), and this (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=889163&postcount=19), and this (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=969197&postcount=5), and....well, you get the picture. :lol

As to showing up and meeting C32 owners at the strip when challenged: well, first he said he'd be there... (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=897960&postcount=8)....but suddenly decided to get his car modified (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=901640&postcount=26)--on a Sunday--and didn't show up.

So, those of you who doubted his claims now know that there is a long history here, and there is good reason to be skeptical.

And now, he will doubtlessly proceed to steps 1) thru 5), on me. Unfortunately, I'm not going to give him the pleasure of what he wants: a flamefest and/or a meaningless, endless debate over whose subjective choice in cars is better...I just wanted to introduce him. :thumbup: He's all yours, guys!! :D

Video of M&M being pwned
http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=1599

Improviz, what you doing on the BMW boards? I chose not to post my races on MBWorld 'cos I knew you would have stories & anyway I've realised its not the right thing to do to post your Merc kill stories on a Merc BB.

So, let us begin. 1stly, yes I did choose the fastest M3 test. Why? Well because it was tested in similar conditions to the fastest C55 test. The temp difference was 3 degrees. Also, that is the test of the 6MT with 18". They have tests of M3's with 19"s & some with SMG. I have 18" 6MT so I chose that test which was similar to the C55 conditions.

Moving on, I wonder if you could please comment on the pic I posted of the Autocar test. Let me guess you are going to say that the C55 was a dud, 'cos I know that's your famous excuse.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/M&M&M/Comp/M3vsC55.jpg

In that test the M3 trapped 0.6 more on the 1/4 & 1mph more over 1km. Also have a look at the Track-challenge comparison:

http://www.track-challenge.com/comparison1d_e.asp?Car1=2&Car2=75

Note C55 was tested in 4 deg celcius COOLER weather, so don't say this is a cherry pick.

The cars are pretty close, but the M3 is still quicker. I think you will find the vast majority of tests on planet earth find the M3 quicker than the C55. But don't take my word for it, search. I'm sure there will be a few tests that found the C55 marhinally quicker as well.

And regarding my car. It was bone stock when I ran 13.0 @ 108. Sure I had good fuel, but I wouldn't call that modd'd.

And I did race the C55 at the track & beat it 4-0. The silver C55 belongs to a buddy of mine who aslo has a tuned E36 M3. When I was stock I beat him many times, even on rolling runs.

Did you mention the time I challenged the fastest SA C32 owner on MBWorld & ge declined? Well you can go back there & ask him to race me again, with pullied or whatever he wants.

And the reason I couldn't race the 15 second C32 (yes that's the one that wanted to race me - race 4 times & hi sbest was 14.8), was because of the modding that was going on which, BTW, costed less than what putting pulleys on a C32 costs.

Anyway, I raced & you'ce seen the videos. The kills went down whethere you like it or not.

I would have loved to see that event.

Improviz, what you doing on the BMW boards?

So, it's fair for you to troll there (and at Audiworld), but not for us to come here? :nono

I chose not to post my races on MBWorld 'cos I knew you would have stories & anyway I've realised its not the right thing to do to post your Merc kill stories on a Merc BB.

Which is why you posted variations on this story there, and at Audiworld, as Frank and myself have pointed out...right?

So, let us begin. 1stly, yes I did choose the fastest M3 test. Why?

For the same reason you did it in the other examples I cited in my post: cherry-picking so your tall tale looks more believeable.

Moving on, I wonder if you could please comment on the pic I posted of the Autocar test. Let me guess you are going to say that the C55 was a dud, 'cos I know that's your famous excuse.

In that test the M3 trapped 0.6 more on the 1/4 & 1mph more over 1km.

OH, WOW, 1MPH OVER 1KM?????

Wow. I'm floored. Well, now that you point this out, it makes your several-carlength-margin-of-victory story all that more unbelievable. Thank you. As does this:

Also have a look at the Track-challenge comparison:

http://www.track-challenge.com/comparison1d_e.asp?Car1=2&Car2=75

Note C55 was tested in 4 deg celcius COOLER weather, so don't say this is a cherry pick.

No, it isn't, which is why you didn't use it in the first place. And it, like the AutoCar test you cited along with the other tests I provided, shows that the two cars were tested virtually equal--which again makes your "three lengths ahead and pulling" tale with the C55 unlikely.

I think you will find the vast majority of tests on planet earth find the M3 quicker than the C55. But don't take my word for it, search. I'm sure there will be a few tests that found the C55 marhinally quicker as well.

I'm sure there are, but we won't have to worry about you posting them, will we Mr. Cherry Picker? :D

And regarding my car. It was bone stock when I ran 13.0 @ 108.

So you claim. But as I pointed out to you (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=876592&postcount=25) in one of your little Trollfests on MBworld: NHRA correction factors translate to 111.4 or so at sea level, and "bone stock" M3's don't even trap at 111.4.

And I did race the C55 at the track & beat it 4-0. The silver C55 belongs to a buddy of mine who aslo has a tuned E36 M3. When I was stock I beat him many times, even on rolling runs.

So you claim.

Did you mention the time I challenged the fastest SA C32 owner on MBWorld & ge declined?

Must have missed that one...got a link?

And the reason I couldn't race the 15 second C32 (yes that's the one that wanted to race me - race 4 times & hi sbest was 14.8), was because of the modding that was going on which, BTW, costed less than what putting pulleys on a C32 costs.

Would that be the guy you promised to show up and race, but then bailed as I showed above?

Anyway, I raced & you'ce seen the videos. The kills went down whethere you like it or not.

I saw *a* video of what you claim was you running a C55 who was lined up at the fence on the outer edge of the track...what I *didn't* see was his launch. If the guy turned his traction control off and just stabbed the throttle, his car would spin all through first, shift into second early, and run a low 14 1/4 mile--or if he left it on, he'd run a very high 13. If he knew what he was doing and launched well, he should have done better, as the non-cherry-picked tests show.

You beat the driver, ace, not the car.

And how about you answering the question I posed to you numerous times over at MBworld: why do you troll in Audiworld's S4 forum and at MBworld so much? What exactly is your motivation for trolling the forums of competing brands and stirring up animosity?

TO answer your question, I don't troll. I post what happened. IT's all good to sit on your own forum & think your car is invincible. Well, on any given Sunday you can go down. I posted that I ost to my buddy's Sti & RS6. As Vader posted he beat an M3 (which I'm sure he did), I post that I beat C32/55's. Most C32/55 owners think its impossible to lose to a stock M3, but as the evidence shows, its not.

And yes, a C55 & Euro M3 are very closely matched. But the M3 has the edge, especially at higher speeds where you see the trap difference starts to increase.

And if a stock M3 does that to a C55, then the way my car is running now I beat C55's comfortably. I know you think my 108 trap was modd'd then what do you tink of my 110.4mph trap? The best part about modd'ing your car is that all the naysayers that thought your car wasn't stock, all of a sudden have nothing to say.

TO answer your question, I don't troll. I post what happened. IT's all good to sit on your own forum & think your car is invincible. Well, on any given Sunday you can go down. I posted that I ost to my buddy's Sti & RS6. As Vader posted he beat an M3 (which I'm sure he did), I post that I beat C32/55's. Most C32/55 owners think its impossible to lose to a stock M3, but as the evidence shows, its not.

And yes, a C55 & Euro M3 are very closely matched. But the M3 has the edge, especially at higher speeds where you see the trap difference starts to increase.

And if a stock M3 does that to a C55, then the way my car is running now I beat C55's comfortably. I know you think my 108 trap was modd'd then what do you tink of my 110.4mph trap? The best part about modd'ing your car is that all the naysayers that thought your car wasn't stock, all of a sudden have nothing to say.

:lol :lol I find that extremely funny...You post what happened in 3 or more different versions?! I wonder who gets the copyright, and just wondering who the heck asked you to "PROVE" the M3 can beat a C32?? NO ONE. You just came along by yourself and started off your first post with a kill story. LMAO you sure you understand what's the meaning of TROLLING on msg forums?

As I've said it many times, it could go either way off the line for these cars as this is very well understanded on mbworld.org's C32/C55 forum. (with you being the exception I guess) It is also very well understanded on Bimmer boards that the e46 M3 has a hard time w/ the C32/55 on the freeway.

Euro M3 vs US M3...they are the same!! one's rated in DIN and one's SAE with only the fuel difference in different country. You don't realize that the "EURO" C32 is rated at 354hp don't you? That's still more power to weight ratio more than the "EURO" M3's 343...

btw, do England gets the Euro M3? I believe so, than why the hell when Tiff Needle tested the M3 way back for Top Gear they stated it had 333?

TO answer your question, I don't troll. I post what happened.

No, what you do, and what you have done for over three years that I'm personally aware of and probably longer, is purposefully go to the forums of other brands and post whatever data you come up with to make yourself feel superior, or supposed "kill stories" which get taller with each telling. This is known as trolling, a "troll" being defined as (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) A person who makes posts (on newsgroups or other forums) that are solely intended to provoke responses from others either Socratically or to cause annoyance or offense.

IT's all good to sit on your own forum & think your car is invincible.

Given the amount of time you spend trying to convince every owner of any competing model that *your* car is invincible, it would seem that this is a rather huge case of pot/kettle. And anyway, that's precisely the point: what is it to you *what* people think on their own forum?? Why do you care?

I mean, so this is it, then? You simply can't stand the thought of anyone, anywhere, thinking that they could beat your car, and so you just have to go to their forums, day in, day out, and post cherry-picked data and tall tales to prove them wrong?? :rolleyes For over three years???

I mean, honestly, what sense of satisfaction does this give you? Hasn't anyone (other than us), friends, family, whomever, pointed out that this behavior is just a little...well...odd? Think about it: your hobby consists of annoying people and spreading ill will! :nono

Well, on any given Sunday you can go down. I posted that I ost to my buddy's Sti & RS6. As Vader posted he beat an M3 (which I'm sure he did), I post that I beat C32/55's. Most C32/55 owners think its impossible to lose to a stock M3, but as the evidence shows, its not.

Oh, most of them think this? You've polled them? In fact, you know this to be false, as many owners over there have posted that the two are very evenly matched, but like the Energizer Bunny of Trolling, you keep going, and going, and going...

I mean, seriously: for how long do you intend to keep this up? Will I come back ten years from now and find you in the Mercedes and Audi forums trolling about how the new M100 is vastly superior to the AMG CLK150 and RS101, and how you beat one, no wait, two, no really it was three, OK it was four of them?

Have you ever considered adopting a, shall we say, slightly more productive use of your time?

And yes, a C55 & Euro M3 are very closely matched. But the M3 has the edge, especially at higher speeds where you see the trap difference starts to increase.

Not by enough for any meaningful margin of victory in a time-distance race. As pointed out to you in this post (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=972515&postcount=93), time to speed is NOT analagous to time to distance. Proof was provided in the form of the Audi RS6 and S4, both of which lagged the BMW/Mercedes they were tested against by well over 1 second to 100 mph, and yet were virtually tied at the 1/4 mile:

Witness the Car & Driver test of the E55 and the RS6.

.......RS6.....E55
0-100: 10.7 9.9
1/4 mile: 12.8 12.5

Or, better still, your beloved M3 and the Audi S4:
.......S4.....M3
0-100: 12.8 12.3
1/4 mile: 13.6 13.6

Proof that time-speed != time-distance. So, over the distances you're discussing, the data shows *nothing* to support your claimed margin of victory. The two cars are *much* closer than the S4/RS6 and M3/E55 above, which were either tied or separated by a much smaller margin at the end of the 1/4.

And if a stock M3 does that to a C55,

Does what? You've shown time-speed, which again is NOT time-distance, as shown above. You're acting as though you have proven something which you have not. Your claim is to have beaten the C55 and C32 in a time-to-DISTANCE race. Time-to-SPEED data which is fractions of a second apart does not show this; in fact, when looking at the Audis, I'd say that either car could be ahead using those time-speed numbers, or it could be a tie. Too close to call.

then the way my car is running now I beat C55's comfortably. I know you think my 108 trap was modd'd then what do you tink of my 110.4mph trap?

I think it's a tall tale, just like the numerous other ones I've busted you in over at MBworld (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=931831&postcount=2).

The best part about modd'ing your car is that all the naysayers that thought your car wasn't stock, all of a sudden have nothing to say.

I haven't seen any proof of either trap speed from you, other than a timeslip you claim as yours. Well, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and your claim to have run a 13.7 and trapped at 104 mph (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=872602&postcount=4) at 5,000 ft (which I pointed out translates to 12.8 @ 111.3 mph at sea level (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=876592&postcount=25)), in 95 degree heat, on a slippery track, is a very extraordinary claim, for which you post a scan of a timeslip. Wow. I can go grab timeslips off the 'net, or post a friend's and claim it as my own showing a 112 mph trap speed when I was "bone stock". Would you believe it?

You're claiming to have bested the times of professional test drivers by nearly 1/2 second. Possible, but unlikely, and a claim and an anonymous timeslip are proof of nothing. Amazing how you managed to videotape all of these other runs but missed the magical 13.0 run.

But I've already wasted enough time with you: I merely wanted to give you the welcome to Bimmerforums that you so richly earned by trolling at MBworld.

Oh, and thanks for answering my question, although I still must confess that I'm totally mystified as to what compels you to troll like you do. :eyecrazy

Improviz, let's have a little wager. This I'm gonna' love. You say I found my timeslip in the trash? What if I can SHOW you a video of my car @ the track with a number written on it that matches the timeslip? Will you admit to being a wanker that loves dissing people's achievements? What kind of wager do you want?

And the trap speed calc aren't accurate. It's an ESTIMATE!

No no...let's see the video of the race between u and the C32 which you claimed to have 5-6 car lead when it's all said and done. :lol

of course those number ain't accurate, but they are damn close that's why LOTS of professionals use them.

I don't have that on video but the year is young & many events are planned. My good buddy has a C55 so we will get good in-car footage of those runs. My project car will be up & running soon. I hope all you guys have a good year 'cos I'm looking forward to it.

i say again.. what the effheezy is "trolling"????

This one has run its course.

Not only has it run it's course, but I asked folks to keep it civil a while back, to no effect apparently.

M&M, it would seem your past has followed you here. If you cannot deal with that in a manner that falls within our guideline for conduct, your stay here will be extremely brief.

Meaning, folks who stir up trouble here, or bring trouble with them, or are the source of the trouble (ie- where there's smoke there's fire...) will be dealt with accordingly...

Consider yourself duly and officially warned.