Several runs, spoke with the guy afterwards. Stock E46 M3 SMG versus A4 1.8t APR stage 3. We went from a dig and from a roll. Consistent results :)

Must be a mean little Audi you've got there. Any pics?

Looks like a four door sleeper. You would have hurt my feelings too!!!

Sick car. Do you have a cardomain page?

Must be a mean little Audi you've got there. Any pics?

Nothing too special looks wise. S4 front bumper, ecodes, kamei grill.

MdMcoupe Looks like a four door sleeper. You would have hurt my feelings too!!!

Sorry guys and gals...E46 M3 has been my dream kill. :alright

mb10175 Sick car. Do you have a cardomain page?

Sorry no car domain page.

Very nice! It was an SMG, so that takes care of the "He didn't know how to shift.." crowd ;) . BTW what does APR Stage 3 give you, I'm guessing bigger injectors, pulleys, software and more??

Several runs, spoke with the guy afterwards. Stock E46 M3 SMG versus A4 1.8t APR stage 3. We went from a dig and from a roll. Consistent results :)


APR Stage 3 = Crap

im sorry to say but i have seen it first hand....Jetta with APR 3 vs GTI with upgraded turbo beat the Jetta....

What were your power gains

Very nice! It was an SMG, so that takes care of the "He didn't know how to shift.." crowd ;) . BTW what does APR Stage 3 give you, I'm guessing bigger injectors, pulleys, software and more??

The APR kit gives you the turbo, exhaust manifold, injectors, cat, software, and the related hardware. I also have a FMIC, test pipe and some other goodies.

I am running a special software version with some added timing. Also, I was running 100 octane@19psi.

APR Stage 3 = Crap

im sorry to say but i have seen it first hand....Jetta with APR 3 vs GTI with upgraded turbo beat the Jetta....

What were your power gains

I never said the APR kit was the greatest. The turbo which comes on the kit is on the small side, so anyone can build a custom setup with mo' boost. The APR kit is great because it is a complete bolt on. No guess work, no custom piping and the tuning that comes with it is excellent. Stock like driveability. Its tough to get that with a big custom setup.

The transverse 3+ kit is released for the transverse cars (gti,jetta, golf). Those guys are putting down huge numbers. Low 12 high 11s. The kit will be relased in "two weeks" (sorry APR joke) for the long cars like mine.

A tuned stage three a4 is no joke . I got pulled two cars from one from 30-90 roll. :eek: That car did some damage to my ego a gave me respect for those cars. Can't boast to much about the newer ones as they are slow. :stickoutt

vid or ban

vid or ban

Dyno soon enough.

Congrats mmart. e46 m3 is a great benchmark to shoot for. How do you like the APR SIII as compared to your j31 k04 setup? I almost thought that you were going to keep running the k04 considering how much whp you were making with it.

Guys talking about APR SIII being crap just don't know. It's not designed to a world beater kit. It's a daily driver, well engineered, well suited for the 1.8. It's reliable and smooth, for many many miles. Not some crappy pieced together setup. And um, even though it's NOT a drag racing kit, it still managed to put a hurting on an E46 M3. That's good sauce for being "crap".

What custom tuning are you running mmart? Is it APR or something else? Standalone?

stg 3 ain't no joke AUDI represent

only reason you won is the race gas program ...

premium unleaded and you would have gotten walked pretty easily ... even from a dig ... :shifty

only reason you won is the race gas program ...

premium unleaded and you would have gotten walked pretty easily ... even from a dig ... :shifty

The 93 program I'm running now is similar to to off-the-shelf 100 program. My 100 is similar to the normal 104 program.

I did some pulls with a 6 speed. On my pump program, it is neck and neck. Granted the weather was in the m3's favor.

From a dig, I dont know. Quattro is hard to beat. The after market clutch allows for some pretty nice 60 foot times(I have slips from 1.7-1.9)

Dyno soon enough.

Dyno doesn't mean crap... actual video or ban

Dyno doesn't mean crap... actual video or ban

My location is posted. I'll be happy to do it again to any volunteers?

Stage one AWE cars dyno at 190 WHP

Stage 2 goes up to around 225WHP

Stage 3 goes up to around 300++ WHP because it upgrades the turbo

Now the Dalbach kits can build 500 HP engines.


I belive you im an audi owner but at the end of the day I rather be going home in the M3. Nice little sleeper you have there buddy........

My location is posted. I'll be happy to do it again to any volunteers?

lol i think everybody just wants a vid of your car...they aren't calling BS. I wouldn't mind a vid of a 1.8 beating an E46 M3 :devillook. Nice car....i wanted an A4 for the longest time. But I am def. happy with my M3 :)

Nice kill, Too bad it's still...FWD ;)

Nice kill, Too bad it's still...FWD ;)

It is a quattro model. Spec stage II clutch, OEM flywheel (hated the lwfw). It is capable of some nasty launches.

Are non Quattro A4's FWD??? I thought they were RWD.

Okay I have a question... THere is a guy that goes to my school and has a front Euro Play " Kills BMWS" He was talking to me asking what was in my car and I just told him I/E/C... He was telling me he was doing over 400 horses... I looked at the car I see no Front mount.. He doesnt even have an exhaust. Is that possible? He hasnt even done suspension or wheels. It looks stock.

Okay I have a question... THere is a guy that goes to my school and has a front Euro Play " Kills BMWS" He was talking to me asking what was in my car and I just told him I/E/C... He was telling me he was doing over 400 horses... I looked at the car I see no Front mount.. He doesnt even have an exhaust. Is that possible? He hasnt even done suspension or wheels. It looks stock.

Anything is possible with the appropriate amount of money. 400 on stock internals is a bit far fetched.

Okay I have a question... THere is a guy that goes to my school and has a front Euro Play " Kills BMWS" He was talking to me asking what was in my car and I just told him I/E/C... He was telling me he was doing over 400 horses... I looked at the car I see no Front mount.. He doesnt even have an exhaust. Is that possible? He hasnt even done suspension or wheels. It looks stock.

just run him

Are non Quattro A4's FWD??? I thought they were RWD.

Most Audi are Quattro. Its getting harder and harder to find FWD A4. FWD A4 are better at highway runs. The 1.8T block can handle 400 HP with stock internals.

Heh ... the nDBW are quicker still.

carnewbie ... :nono Just 'cause the Stg IIIs have multiple programs available via a cockpit switching system there's no need to whine about fuel. Load up some 100 octane in your Bimmer, go find a Stg III 1.8t and show him who is who.

w00t, you go boy ;)


I never got a chance to play with any E46's when I had my stage 3 A4, but I did wax quite a few of completely unaware E36's.....the looks and questions afterwards were hilarious ;) My old A4 turned a 13.3 @ 104 mph with the stage 3 first time to the track. It was very quick for an A4.

The new stage 3+ utilizes the fabled disco potato, or the GT28RS and will become the standard as far as the APR kits are concerned. Those cars are laying down some pretty sick numbers. Right around 300 *WHP* on quattro cars and about 340-350 whp on fwd transverse applications.


A pic of my old whip which I miss from time to time :(

http://www.auburn.edu/~mcgowgl/Audi/a48.jpg

bad ass run.

whats the point of coming on here and telling us about it though? i dont go to audiworld and post my audi wins.

welcome though.

I would love to run against you if you were local. :)

bad ass run.

whats the point of coming on here and telling us about it though? i dont go to audiworld and post my audi wins.

welcome though.

because a lot of the audiworld guys are whiny and annoying.
There isn't a kill forum on audiworld to share it with, so if you post anything like this there, flames will ensue comprising a lot of "you shouldn't do that...blah blah, my panties hurt...blah etc."

Besides, BF is a great forum...well moderated and for the most part the content is good stuff.

bad ass run.

whats the point of coming on here and telling us about it though? i dont go to audiworld and post my audi wins.

welcome though.

I'm a long time lurker here becuase I love BMWs (especially m3s). The reason I posted is because I consider this a huge kill for a 1.8.

Any true automotive enthusiast appreciates all makes and models.

I'm a long time lurker here becuase I love BMWs (especially m3s). The reason I posted is because I consider this a huge kill for a 1.8.

Any true automotive enthusiast appreciates all makes and models.

ya u didnt seem like u wanted to be a troll but just had kind of low post count and posting kill stories of m3 vs. audi's

anyways your car is seriously badass. we always like video's!!!!!!!

Heh a 1.8T vs 3.0-3.2L from a roll....

Audi at top end arent great

Heh a 1.8T vs 3.0-3.2L from a roll....

Audi at top end arent great

I dont know about that. The car is geared exceptionally high.

mmart I have a piece of shit stock turbo thats why and a fat pig 2002

whats the point of coming on here and telling us about it though? i dont go to audiworld and post my audi wins.


Because some AW snobs look down on this stuff. Besides, this is the sort of thing that excites all of us car people, and naturally we'd want to share. Does the Kill Story board have a "Posts by BMW owners ONLY" clause? No? I didn't think so. We're all members of this board, so what's the issue?

Mmart isn't a troll. I post my (rare) Bimmer kills/deaths here, so what's the problem? Please don't get all your panties in a twist just because mmart pulled on an E46 M3. His car is far from stock, so don't be upset that he won. If I pulled on an E46 M3 you can bet your ass I'd write about it here.

Moreover, it's completely believable that an APR Stage 3-equipped B5 A4 6sp quattro on race juice walked the M3. Frankly, assuming that setup is properly tuned I'd be surprised if he didn't win.

jeez

Because some AW snobs look down on this stuff. Besides, this is the sort of thing that excites all of us car people, and naturally we'd want to share. Does the Kill Story board have a "Posts by BMW owners ONLY" clause? No? I didn't think so. We're all members of this board, so what's the issue?

Mmart isn't a troll. I post my (rare) Bimmer kills/deaths here, so what's the problem? Please don't get all your panties in a twist just because mmart pulled on an E46 M3. His car is far from stock, so don't be upset that he won. If I pulled on an E46 M3 you can bet your ass I'd write about it here.

Moreover, it's completely believable that an APR Stage 3-equipped B5 A4 6sp quattro on race juice walked the M3. Frankly, assuming that setup is properly tuned I'd be surprised if he didn't win.

jeez

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Congrats on the kill, pretty much any turbo car with BPU and race gas can beat a e46m3. My 1.6 turbo mirage with 3" and $200 in junkyard eclipse parts could do the same on race gas or toulene/pumpgas. On 91 octane it was another story.

Congrats on the kill, pretty much any turbo car with BPU and race gas can beat a e46m3. My 1.6 turbo mirage with 3" and $200 in junkyard eclipse parts could do the same on race gas or toulene/pumpgas. On 91 octane it was another story.

I beg to differ. And, no, a turbo mirage with $200 in junkyard parts will not beat an e46 M3. It would require a lot of tuning and the boost controller needed would cost about $70 for a manual one.

Real nice kill man. I wish I would have gotten the 1.8t before I had my 03 325i leased. It's been a fun car though. Either way once again real nice kill, I bet you were siked to beat an e46 M3.

Because some AW snobs look down on this stuff. Besides, this is the sort of thing that excites all of us car people, and naturally we'd want to share. Does the Kill Story board have a "Posts by BMW owners ONLY" clause? No? I didn't think so. We're all members of this board, so what's the issue?

Mmart isn't a troll. I post my (rare) Bimmer kills/deaths here, so what's the problem? Please don't get all your panties in a twist just because mmart pulled on an E46 M3. His car is far from stock, so don't be upset that he won. If I pulled on an E46 M3 you can bet your ass I'd write about it here.

Moreover, it's completely believable that an APR Stage 3-equipped B5 A4 6sp quattro on race juice walked the M3. Frankly, assuming that setup is properly tuned I'd be surprised if he didn't win.

jeez


AW does suck and their forum lay out is just horrible. I wish there was an Audi forum besides VWVortex with a good lay out. Audi World is almost impossible to read. Most members are 30 year old stiffs....

AW does suck and their forum lay out is just horrible. Most members are 30 year old stiffs....

Heh, exactly how much ego can you stuff in a younger person nowadays??? Them is pretty strong fighting words for someone with an admittedly slow B6 car...

I've posted on AW since 98 and got a lot of good info on Audis over there. I say it's a very good resource for Audi owners, especially if they weren't born yesterday :).

This 30+ yo stiff would be happy to meet you (I'm local) and give you a few runs in either my 98 A4 or the 330... :D

As you will undoubtedly find out fairly soon, life does not end at 30 :stickoutt . Old age is contagious...

adc
98 A4 1.8T chipped, wife mobile
03 330 ZHP

Several runs, spoke with the guy afterwards. Stock E46 M3 SMG versus A4 1.8t APR stage 3. We went from a dig and from a roll. Consistent results :)

i wish you went to school and learned how to write a short story... or atleast a "paragraph"

Heh, exactly how much ego can you stuff in a younger person nowadays??? Them is pretty strong fighting words for someone with an admittedly slow B6 car...

I've posted on AW since 98 and got a lot of good info on Audis over there. I say it's a very good resource for Audi owners, especially if they weren't born yesterday :).

This 30+ yo stiff would be happy to meet you (I'm local) and give you a few runs in either my 98 A4 or the 330... :D

As you will undoubtedly find out fairly soon, life does not end at 30 :stickoutt . Old age is contagious...

adc
98 A4 1.8T chipped, wife mobile
03 330 ZHP


Yep, I only use AW when I need tech help or product help but their lay is just horrible for the forum. My friend who is a moderator on there says they refuse to change it! He doesnt want it to change its such a weird lay out. They love that lay out they dont want a zero forum style lay out or anything.

That is an awesome kill man! Welcome to the board and good job. You have a nice ride there! :)

Heh, exactly how much ego can you stuff in a younger person nowadays??? Them is pretty strong fighting words for someone with an admittedly slow B6 car...

I've posted on AW since 98 and got a lot of good info on Audis over there. I say it's a very good resource for Audi owners, especially if they weren't born yesterday :).

This 30+ yo stiff would be happy to meet you (I'm local) and give you a few runs in either my 98 A4 or the 330... :D

As you will undoubtedly find out fairly soon, life does not end at 30 :stickoutt . Old age is contagious...

adc
98 A4 1.8T chipped, wife mobile
03 330 ZHP

It's ok. I know 20 y/o stiffs as well :D Besides, it's true that AW, at least compared to bf.c, has a "stiffer" community. It's a stretch to say that everybody there is a stiff, though. I go to AW for serious car talk. I come here for fun.

i wish you went to school and learned how to write a short story... or atleast a "paragraph"

I'm definately educated. What more do you want to know?

Nice car and great kill... I'll speak for my self i love to her stories of all cars.And in your defense you didnt come off like a troll or an @66 at all.. keep on posting.. :alright

Nice kill! Nice Mod list.
BTW have you had any problems with the forum on Leistung Motorwerkes? I Never got a confirmation notice in my e-mail from the forum :(

AW sucks

I have a Long 1.8t Passat and go there for information from time to time. All I get is useless information, and hijacked posts with people fighting each other.

MW

Yeah, yeah....well, he would take you in the twi..smog test. :)

Having had a few rides in modded turbo cars, including a gonzo early S4 and 700hp Supra, I really, really prefer the linear powerband of a BMW I6, even if it is slower.

My location is posted. I'll be happy to do it again to any volunteers?

Dayamn... Gainesville represent! I went to school there...

I'll keep ya in mind next time I head over to G-Ville, where the 'ol Gators reign... :)

Excellent KILL!

Never lined up W/ a E46 M3. C5's are no problem tho. Wish I could say the same about my B6.

lot of dillholes here. i really respect those A4's and yours is very clean.

lot of dillholes here. i really respect those A4's and yours is very clean.

Thank you all for your encouraging words. I love my vehicle, but I'd probably love an E46 m3 more.

Anyone who is local and wants to meet up, great. Loser buys booze afterwards! :D

Thank you all for your encouraging words. I love my vehicle, but I'd probably love an E46 m3 more.

Anyone who is local and wants to meet up, great. Loser buys booze afterwards! :D


First, nice kill.

Second, we BMW guys better beware...whenever you race a turbo anything, be wary. Hell, I'd be embarassed if I lost to a seemingly sedate looking 4 door!

Third, sorry to say, our M3's really aren't all that fast, don't you think? Ok granted, I just came from a 996TT and my other ride is an 800hp Supra, but still, my CLK500 feels just as fast (the Road and Track numbers bear this out)

Don't get me wrong...I love my M3...but by no means should we be looking for races against turbo cars or V8's.

First, nice kill.

Second, we BMW guys better beware...whenever you race a turbo anything, be wary. Hell, I'd be embarassed if I lost to a seemingly sedate looking 4 door!

Third, sorry to say, our M3's really aren't all that fast, don't you think? Ok granted, I just came from a 996TT and my other ride is an 800hp Supra, but still, my CLK500 feels just as fast (the Road and Track numbers bear this out)

Don't get me wrong...I love my M3...but by no means should we be looking for races against turbo cars or V8's.

Maybe not you with all that stereo equipment, but Jerry certainly would......................... :evil2

I aslo hate AW format..used to have a 300zx TT and Twinturbo.net is the same orientation. Well i just picked up a 01.5 s4 6spd and have done the stage 2 mods and my buddy in his 99.5 stage 3 w/ front mount pulls me by a few cars on race mode. They are very fast and can easily walk a smg e46 and give a 6spd good run.

Hey nice A4. If you get to Jax any we should run............my neighbor has an S4 with some APR mods, very quick.

Several runs, spoke with the guy afterwards. Stock E46 M3 SMG versus A4 1.8t APR stage 3. We went from a dig and from a roll. Consistent results :)
Are you going to APRs BBQ in March

Are you going to APRs BBQ in March

Not sure.

Nice kill. I love black Euro sedans...!

I'll have to watch out now, I thought 1.8Ts were all slow. I test drove an Audi 1.8T with the Quattro and a manual, and I felt it wasn't quick at all.

Then I ran into a few on the road in my car and smoked them, one in a Golf, one in a Jetta, and one in an A4.

I guess none of them were running the mods you have! :eek: I definitely have respect for that 1.8T now. Is there a website for this APR stuff? I'd be interested in reading up on what tuning they can do for it...

Turbo'd black sedans :buttrock Your car is beautiful.

www.goapr.com

Not sure.
There will be some good stuff released for the 1.8t :)

APR Stage 3 = Crap
im sorry to say but i have seen it first hand....Jetta with APR 3 vs GTI with upgraded turbo beat the Jetta....
What were your power gains

In Cali apr stg 3 makes only 235-240 whp on a fwd due to the crappy 91 gas
on 93 it makes 265-270 whp

stg 3+ on 93 / 300-310 whp
and on 100 / I got 356 whp and 366 wtq
spinning 3rd gear rolling @ 40-50 mph ;)

I'm a long time lurker here becuase I love BMWs (especially m3s). The reason I posted is because I consider this a huge kill for a 1.8.

Any true automotive enthusiast appreciates all makes and models.

Nicely said, good kill, welcome to bf.c and don't let the few #$@%#$ get you down. There are a few on every board.

Greg

Audi's are yummy. Must have been a bone stock driver with out a clue. :evil2

Thank you all for your encouraging words. I love my vehicle, but I'd probably love an E46 m3 more.

Anyone who is local and wants to meet up, great. Loser buys booze afterwards! :D
The stock auto E30 will take you. (<----e-sarcasm) Nice car. (Not e-sarcasm)

I raced the audi I was talkin about... No way is he putting out those #'s He got me on the launch but then I started to creep up on him. Took it to the HWY I let him go first then I started to catch up then eventually walked away. I love audi's my dad was thinking of getting an Rs6 but now is looking into something with a bit more horses for less. My uncle has the new S4's and that thing can handle like a mo fo...

I beg to differ. And, no, a turbo mirage with $200 in junkyard parts will not beat an e46 M3. It would require a lot of tuning and the boost controller needed would cost about $70 for a manual one.

Will and have beat e46m3s. Good running cars have allready gone deep into the 12s @ 110 mph+ with the same setup. My manual boost controller is made by Pet Depot and runs about $5 :) .

Wow, that is a nice car indeed.

LWRNCE- That dark blue Audi at school has 400hp he said?...yea right...that thing looks stock. I always wanted to race that guy becasue of his front plate. Good Job! There is no way he could be at 400hp. First of all I think it is a 2.8 but even if it is a 1.8t he would have to have an aftermarket intercooler up front to put out those numbers and I don't see one. :nono

I definitely have respect for that 1.8T now. Is there a website for this APR stuff? I'd be interested in reading up on what tuning they can do for it...

Turbo'd black sedans :buttrock Your car is beautiful.

I think it's European Car that devotes an entire cover article to the 1.8T engine in various cars and 1.8T tuner cars. It's pretty potent, with more to come :D

And yeah, black is the fastest color.

damn nice kill! This post has got me interested in a 1.8T as a future car i might just want for fun :redspot

And yeah, black is the fastest color.

It sure is.

And yeah, black is the fastest color.

Torch Red is, my friend :devillook

I know its not too appropriate here but what year A4 is that? Any years to watch out for, years to look at? I WAS looking into A4's because the platform (AWD turbo) is awesome to modify and it would see snow (better than an M). I couldn't part from my love of the M3 and was quickly back on the prowl for an M3, but something always draws me back to the A4 and S4. If you could PM me with any info or good places to learn more about A4's that would be AWESOME as every audi forum I've visisted has been a headache to say the least. Between the poor (at best) organization, and my lack of performance parts threads and more general maintenance stuff. Thanks a lot and a BEAUTIFUL A4 you have there my friend

I know its not too appropriate here but what year A4 is that? Any years to watch out for, years to look at? I WAS looking into A4's because the platform (AWD turbo) is awesome to modify and it would see snow (better than an M). I couldn't part from my love of the M3 and was quickly back on the prowl for an M3, but something always draws me back to the A4 and S4. If you could PM me with any info or good places to learn more about A4's that would be AWESOME as every audi forum I've visisted has been a headache to say the least. Between the poor (at best) organization, and my lack of performance parts threads and more general maintenance stuff. Thanks a lot and a BEAUTIFUL A4 you have there my friend
niCE KiLl :redspot

Several runs, spoke with the guy afterwards. Stock E46 M3 SMG versus A4 1.8t APR stage 3. We went from a dig and from a roll. Consistent results :)

Have you run your 1.8T at a track yet? What were the results? TIA :)

Red Scare...

Yeah bro no frontmount and iono man yeah 4oo was not foreal... If he had all that he would have atleast done something look wise. No BBK work or anything stopping wize. Suspension or wheels... Or exhaust or Front mount... He is the Mother Goose of DVC... If I remember his name was jason or something like that.

That S4 is badass though that thing looks stock but I know its not.

Torch Red is, my friend :devillook

Gimme a few months :devillook

Gimme a few months :devillookAnd you'll have an RS8 :D

How about a 2004 SMG E46 M3 Vs. 2003 A4 1.8TQ w/ T-28


http://66.77.57.189/m3killa/dlsj5.wmv

Did someone ask for prrof of the kill??? How about this?



Nobody asked for proof. Nobody called BS here.

People just wanted to see a vid of his car and what it's capable of on the streets, THAT'S IT!

Did you REALLY feel the need to join BF.com JUST to show us "proof" we never asked for? :rolleyes

Dyno doesn't mean crap... actual video or ban


I thought I had read this earlier. I just thought people would like to see it.

Maybe I read it wrong. Someone seems to be requesting some sort of video. This is the kill section right? No way just a chipped 1.8T is running an E46 M3. I do not care who is driving..

My location is posted. I'll be happy to do it again to any volunteers?


Let's see then he responded. So I think I read the conversation correctly. I see he is runningAPR stage3 which runs a modified Garrett GT25R turbo and custom exhauhst manifold.

Someone seemed to want to see vids of a 1.8T running with an M3

Well if you have not seen it yet enjoy anyway..

:redspot

lol i think everybody just wants a vid of your car...they aren't calling BS. I wouldn't mind a vid of a 1.8 beating an E46 M3 :devillook. Nice car....i wanted an A4 for the longest time. But I am def. happy with my M3 :)


What does that say??

Let's see then he responded. So I think I read the conversation correctly. I see he is runningAPR stage3 which runs a modified Garrett GT25R turbo and custom exhauhst manifold.

Someone seemed to want to see vids of a 1.8T running with an M3

Well if you have not seen it yet enjoy anyway..

:redspot

To be honest guys, I want a video of my car beating an m3. I dont have any friends with an M3...so herein lies the problem.

Also AWM9, I dont not have just a chip. The video you posted is awesome. I havnt seen that one yet. The t28 cars are quick also.

To be honest guys, I want a video of my car beating an m3. I dont have any friends with an M3...so herein lies the problem.

Also AWM9, I dont not have just a chip. The video you posted is awesome. I havnt seen that one yet. The t28 cars are quick also.


Yes, I see you are running APR Stage 3. I have a few friends running it also.

Garrett GT25R re-worked and APR manifold as well as other goodies. I saw that later.

Yea that is only a T-28. They are estimating teh GT28Rs to be around 320. They had a 1.8T with a GT30 on an engine dyno the other day for a GTI, 375 hp.

How about the Cheesefrog kill. Please tell me you saw this.

http://www.cheesefrog.com/frog/cheezevsal.mpg

P.S. love the car brother..

AW does suck and their forum lay out is just horrible. I wish there was an Audi forum besides VWVortex with a good lay out. Audi World is almost impossible to read. Most members are 30 year old stiffs....AW has a horrible setup. :rolleyes

How about audizine?

It has the same setup as bfc but I just came across that forum yesterday so I don't know its quality. I'm getting into the whole Audi scene now cuz there's really not much else I want to accomplish with my M3s.

My buddy and I are now looking for a B5 S4...Casablanca White with Black Leather. Ooooh....HOT!!!

BTW - Where can I find dyno info on the APR Stage 2?

AW has a horrible setup. :rolleyes

How about audizine?

It has the same setup as bfc but I just came across that forum yesterday so I don't know its quality. I'm getting into the whole Audi scene now cuz there's really not much else I want to accomplish with my M3s.

My buddy and I are now looking for a B5 S4...Casablanca White with Black Leather. Ooooh....HOT!!!

BTW - Where can I find dyno info on the APR Stage 2?

B5 S4 upgrade suggestion.

www.awe-tuning.com

RSK04 t-upgrade

B5 S4 upgrade suggestion.

www.awe-tuning.com

RSK04 t-upgradeThanks for the info. :)

I'm a big-time newbie when it comes to the tuning options with the B5 S4. I'd appreciate any links, etc. you can provide so we know exactly what we have for options.

I love this engine shot...it looks almost as cool as a euro S50. :devillook

Thanks for the info. :)

I'm a big-time newbie when it comes to the tuning options with the B5 S4. I'd appreciate any links, etc. you can provide so we know exactly what we have for options.

I love this engine shot...it looks almost as cool as a euro S50. :devillook

The 2.7T has a lot of potential. Audzine and Audiworld both have good information. Audizine has a better format.

Also stick with the twin turbo set-up if you want to keep it as a daily driver. Not that a single turbo set-up is bad but it looses the around town driveability.


Audi S4 vid with Gt78 turbo.

http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/s4_dyno_04.wmv

I'm confused. I've been looking through audizine and audiworld and what not and these cars are DIRT slow. People throwing thousands of dollars into them and running like 15.5 1320s and shit. I'm confused. Cars are pushing 280hp and 300tq and running like 14.3 @ 93. Now I know its not a 1/4mi car and it doesn't mean anything but an AWD turbo platform pushing that kind of power running slow as shit times. I must be missing something. 2G eclipses running that kind of power are doing 1000000x better (granted its an eclipse not a audi) for half the money and everything. Obviously not the luxury of an audi (and not too comparable), but I was figuring with its engine it would be pretty nice. Someone has to explain this to me.

What about 0-60? They should RIP apart most anything to 60 with AWD and turbo...am I correct? People putting in APR stage 3 kits and still aren't into the 13s and still in the mid 14s? I've lost a lot of respect for these cars, someone steer me in the right direction and hope I am wrong.

I ran a 13.3 @ 104 mph with my old quattro stage 3 A4 very first time (and launch) to the track. Not bad for an A4, but I could have done a bit better on the 60" (1.95).


For those interested in APR, their website is www.goapr.com

The stage 3 manifold is a work of art and they have some pretty amazing technology they utilize in developing these kits.....definitely not a backyard organization for sure.

I'm confused. I've been looking through audizine and audiworld and what not and these cars are DIRT slow. People throwing thousands of dollars into them and running like 15.5 1320s and shit. I'm confused. Cars are pushing 280hp and 300tq and running like 14.3 @ 93. Now I know its not a 1/4mi car and it doesn't mean anything but an AWD turbo platform pushing that kind of power running slow as shit times. I must be missing something. 2G eclipses running that kind of power are doing 1000000x better (granted its an eclipse not a audi) for half the money and everything. Obviously not the luxury of an audi (and not too comparable), but I was figuring with its engine it would be pretty nice. Someone has to explain this to me.

What about 0-60? They should RIP apart most anything to 60 with AWD and turbo...am I correct? People putting in APR stage 3 kits and still aren't into the 13s and still in the mid 14s? I've lost a lot of respect for these cars, someone steer me in the right direction and hope I am wrong.

I ran 13.3@101 my first time at the track. 100 octane 18 psi. Now I've tuned it and suspect it will be in the high 12s.

I ran 13.3@101 my first time at the track. 100 octane 18 psi. Now I've tuned it and suspect it will be in the high 12s.

You never responded to my PM or question in this thread. What year is it? I was talking about B5's (96-02?). You have a B6 or something?

You never responded to my PM or question in this thread. What year is it? I was talking about B5's (96-02?). You have a B6 or something?

Based on his signature pic, he has a B5 car. Taillights would put it at a 99.5 or later, wheels even later. Of course, tails and wheels can be upgraded, but he still has a B5 car.

adc
03 330 ZHP
98 A4 1.8T

really? Now I am REAAAALLLLLLLy confused as I have been looking at the B5s and they appear VERY slow from audizine. I was looking into the B6s and by his comments it makes more sense for him to have the B6 (his comment about stage 3+ coming soon as shown on B6 of APR's site). Also when you look at the performance and dynos it seems to match up to the B6 more. I'm kinda nervous because I DO like the A4 (B5s), but after visiting audizine it's kinda making me second guess slash turning me off with some peoples numbers. PLEASE SOMEONE SHOW ME I AM WRONG.

You are wrong, but I'm not going to do the work for you. Go to audiworld, which actually has a good deal of information, and search. Off-the-shelf B5 A4s are in to the 12s.

Not from what I have seen...sorry bud. I've been around audiworld and audizine (much better forum IMO). Do the work for me? I have searched google, both those websites and talked to multiple people on mIRC. So no one is doing any work for me. I see the 1/4 mi board and the best time being 11.XX and others, but when I go to the forums and see guys ACTUAL posts they are no where near that. And from talking to other people (car techs) they seem to all say a4 is SLOW. BUT then there is a thread like this (1 in the last 100 I've read) and I want further proof. I RARELY ask for any help finding anything on the internet but here I am at a loss and can't find more proof. So don't be a jackass.

Good kill for the Audi, didn't know they were that quick.

Not from what I have seen...sorry bud. I've been around audiworld and audizine (much better forum IMO). Do the work for me? I have searched google, both those websites and talked to multiple people on mIRC. So no one is doing any work for me. I see the 1/4 mi board and the best time being 11.XX and others, but when I go to the forums and see guys ACTUAL posts they are no where near that. And from talking to other people (car techs) they seem to all say a4 is SLOW. BUT then there is a thread like this (1 in the last 100 I've read) and I want further proof. I RARELY ask for any help finding anything on the internet but here I am at a loss and can't find more proof. So don't be a jackass.

Not sure about 11 second A4's, but for cars in the 12's and 13's VW Audi fan or not, I agree with VandyS4 on this. You are being closed minded and not actually searching. There are many more then 1 site that have 1/4 mile times posted on A4s on the internet. While most are Audi fan sites, there are a few tests posted in regards to cross brand tuner shootouts.

You remind me of a friend who was shocked and in disbelief that his GTP was violated by a slightly modded Omni GLH Turbo. In the words of Guano apes "open your eyes, open your mind".

really? Now I am REAAAALLLLLLLy confused as I have been looking at the B5s and they appear VERY slow from audizine. I was looking into the B6s and by his comments it makes more sense for him to have the B6 (his comment about stage 3+ coming soon as shown on B6 of APR's site). Also when you look at the performance and dynos it seems to match up to the B6 more. I'm kinda nervous because I DO like the A4 (B5s), but after visiting audizine it's kinda making me second guess slash turning me off with some peoples numbers. PLEASE SOMEONE SHOW ME I AM WRONG.
1st off pal , the A4's and S4's are not light cars. most of them are 3500lbs plus. also take in to mind the large drivetrain loss due to the quatro system and lets not forget turbo size here. Stock K03 is one of the smallest factory turbos i think i have ever seen , it has an equivalent to a T3 .36a/r i belive , that has alot to do with it.

I apologize I found that those earlier times I posted were on the stock turbo (best times stock turbo). I do see that there is room for power, but the few posts I have found they say the m3 is still the faster car. Something is still attractive about 60hp on a $500 mod. :buttrock Wish the M3 had that option.

I apologize I found that those earlier times I posted were on the stock turbo (best times stock turbo). I do see that there is room for power, but the few posts I have found they say the m3 is still the faster car. Something is still attractive about 60hp on a $500 mod. :buttrock Wish the M3 had that option.

No worries, Things sometimes don't come off correctly when viewing posts online. I am a moderator for 2 forums, so I know how it goes.

Something can also be said about a car that can hit 14's out of the 1/4 mile and do it in stock form 10 years ago.. MMM, E36 M3 candy :D

now guys you are talking about an audi that has been modified w/ aftermarket parts vs m3 that left a dealer showroom,irrelevent the price of the car,I happen to own an rx2 mazda that runs 10's,anyone wanna race a 12k car w/a rotary.M3 overall is one of the best put together cars out there,so to all you people that are talking smack,you just mad cause you don't own one,stick to your audi's,vw or whatever you own.

now guys you are talking about an audi that has been modified w/ aftermarket parts vs m3 that left a dealer showroom,irrelevent the price of the car,I happen to own an rx2 mazda that runs 10's,anyone wanna race a 12k car w/a rotary.M3 overall is one of the best put together cars out there,so to all you people that are talking smack,you just mad cause you don't own one,stick to your audi's,vw or whatever you own.

This is the kill section though. so he posted his kill.

A Noble is half the cost of a ferrari yet still an unbelievable car..

Dalhback's 1.8t ran in the high 11's at New England dragway this summer. Heavily modded and had a tranny issue.

Audi's are slow in the 1/4 but I do not see any BMW's clicking off insane 1/4's w/o modding either.

To run in the 12's takes some nice upgrades and a good driver.

One must find a balance, a ying for my yang.

:redspot

those 1.8T upgraded turbo engines are like the turboed Hondas of the German world :D

You guys don't know where to look :)
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Just few from the list:
ET MPH Handle 60' Timeslip Link Year ECU: Additional Information

1 11.973 115.444 K04_2000QMS 1.720 1997 ATP Beta GT28RS kit with GT3071R 3395lbs

2 12.126 112.930 Lucas_Gchips 1.820 Click Here GIAC nDBW GT25

3 12.624 115.320 Audi R4R 2.027 Click Here nDBW T3/T4

4 12.741 112.130 Audi2ptzero 1.955 Click Here 2000 GIAC Custom 2.0L, Schrick cam, Custom exhaust manifold

5 12.773 105.630 RS 1.704 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

6 12.827 104.880 markbradford 1.729 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

7 12.941 106.160 180q 1.894 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

8 13.100 104.710 WYSIWYG 1.850 Click Here GIAC PES T28

9 13.236 104.160 x4rtic 1.856 Click Here 2.0L T3/T4

10 13.272 104.820 Gjamie 1.825 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

11 13.349 98.700 PhiltypeR 1.771 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

12 13.389 104.010 Toaster29 1.931 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

13 13.464 103.270 Silroan(Matt) 2.006 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

14 13.500 100.000 dingster 1.xxx Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

15 13.550 101.130 Afroquad 1.916 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

now guys you are talking about an audi that has been modified w/ aftermarket parts vs m3 that left a dealer showroom,irrelevent the price of the car,I happen to own an rx2 mazda that runs 10's,anyone wanna race a 12k car w/a rotary.M3 overall is one of the best put together cars out there,so to all you people that are talking smack,you just mad cause you don't own one,stick to your audi's,vw or whatever you own.

Huh... n00b, tone it down with the attitude. :nono

BMWs are not the be-all, end-all of cars. We here at bimmerforums are car enthusiasts first and foremost, and aside from a few chauvinistic rotten apples, we enjoy and respect cars of all makes, as long as they're tastefully modded/built/maintained.

There's a certan amount of BMW-bias, that's normal, but this is one BMW site where BMW loyalists will openly congratulate Honda, SRT-4 and domestic car owners for a kill.

I'd expect a modded S4 to hang with an E46. So for a 1.8t to do the same, mad props to the owner.

I know its not too appropriate here but what year A4 is that? Any years to watch out for, years to look at? I WAS looking into A4's because the platform (AWD turbo) is awesome to modify and it would see snow (better than an M). I couldn't part from my love of the M3 and was quickly back on the prowl for an M3, but something always draws me back to the A4 and S4. If you could PM me with any info or good places to learn more about A4's that would be AWESOME as every audi forum I've visisted has been a headache to say the least. Between the poor (at best) organization, and my lack of performance parts threads and more general maintenance stuff. Thanks a lot and a BEAUTIFUL A4 you have there my friend

Sorry I have not gotten back to your question. Hopefully this help....

This is a 2000 A4, engine ATW. The better cars are newer IMHO, so get the newest you can afford. There really isnt anything to look out for except the TIP tranny...dont get it if you are planning on heavily modifying.

Quattro is excellent in the snow. I dont have any experience with this, just the online consensus.

The best resource is Audiworld. I happen to love the format becuase you can reply to peoples messages and, in essence, "chat" with people.

If I had to buy another B5 right now, Id get a stage 3 S4. Low-mid 20s will get you an extremely fast and capable car (to the tune of 450hp mid 12s@110+)

Not from what I have seen...sorry bud...So don't be a jackass.

I'm not being a jackass. It was late as hell and I was telling you to keep looking, which you did.

Tuner 1.8Ts are in the 11s, and off-the-shelf kits for 11s are probably in development. I'm not sure, since I don't follow the development of 1.8T tuning like I do for my engine. However, I know there're plenty of 1.8Ts A4's in the low 13 range, which is what I consider most E46 M3s to be in. Some A4s are hitting high 12s, which is the quicker side of the E46 M3 spectrum.

For 2.7T engines like mine, there're at least two projects that are being kept under wraps that utilize non-KKK turbos and are going to push the B5 S4's numbers beyond the 450whp/500ftlb range that tuned Stage 3ers are hitting these days. S4s are in the 11's (with weight stripped, more than off-the-shelf stuff, and great driving), and I'm guessing the new projects are going to be for single rather than twin turbos, which will make them less well suited for daily driving but probably a good deal faster.

and off-the-shelf kits for 11s are probably in development.

For 2.7T engines like mine, there're at least two projects that are being kept under wraps that utilize non-KKK turbos and are going to push the B5 S4's numbers beyond the 450whp/500ftlb range that tuned Stage 3ers are hitting these days.
;)

See? 18bora's setup could run 11's.

See? 18bora's setup could run 11's.

I wasn't referring to my setup, I was referring to your inside info.http://images.bimmerforums.com/vb3images/icons/icon12.gif

hey thats a nice a4 you got i was just wondering how much money in mods did you spend?

You guys don't know where to look :)
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Just few from the list:
ET MPH Handle 60' Timeslip Link Year ECU: Additional Information

1 11.973 115.444 K04_2000QMS 1.720 1997 ATP Beta GT28RS kit with GT3071R 3395lbs

2 12.126 112.930 Lucas_Gchips 1.820 Click Here GIAC nDBW GT25

3 12.624 115.320 Audi R4R 2.027 Click Here nDBW T3/T4

4 12.741 112.130 Audi2ptzero 1.955 Click Here 2000 GIAC Custom 2.0L, Schrick cam, Custom exhaust manifold

5 12.773 105.630 RS 1.704 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

6 12.827 104.880 markbradford 1.729 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

7 12.941 106.160 180q 1.894 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

8 13.100 104.710 WYSIWYG 1.850 Click Here GIAC PES T28

9 13.236 104.160 x4rtic 1.856 Click Here 2.0L T3/T4

10 13.272 104.820 Gjamie 1.825 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

11 13.349 98.700 PhiltypeR 1.771 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

12 13.389 104.010 Toaster29 1.931 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

13 13.464 103.270 Silroan(Matt) 2.006 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

14 13.500 100.000 dingster 1.xxx Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3

15 13.550 101.130 Afroquad 1.916 Click Here APR S3 APR Stage 3



I am loving the times, but I will say that all those cars are running LARGE turbos. Hell I know they can go fast I have seen it. But from what I see all of these cars are running some serious sauce.

Notice the GT28RS with the 30 conversion on it #1 That vid I posted was a T-28 which I see at a 13.1. Disco Potatoe rocks.

But great info.

Nice work..

I like the T3/T4 set-up.

Nobody asked for proof. Nobody called BS here.

People just wanted to see a vid of his car and what it's capable of on the streets, THAT'S IT!

Did you REALLY feel the need to join BF.com JUST to show us "proof" we never asked for? :rolleyes

Oh Yea...


OWNED!!

Oh Yea...


OWNED!!

Are you finished? NOBODY CALLED BS AND DEMANDED PROOF THAT HIS CAR BEAT AN E46 M3! People wanted to see his car in action. Do you want me to spell it out for you?

We got 8 Audi guys that just joined a BMW forum to talk to each other in one thread about Audi 1/4 mile times.

What has happened to BF.com? It has gone down the drain.

those 1.8T upgraded turbo engines are like the turboed Hondas of the German world :D

Sure they are... that is why all of the big HP Bimmers you see hear are running Forced Induction set-ups. You may have the inline six down to an exact science, but we got boost..

We got 8 Audi guys that just joined a BMW forum to talk to each other in one thread about Audi 1/4 mile times.

What has happened to BF.com? It has gone down the drain.

So what does it mean when a Z06 owner joins this merry group? :lol

So what does it mean when a Z06 owner joins this merry group? :lol

I owned a 95 M3 5spd for 4 years that I sold about 3 months ago. People who know me, know me.

I know these cars better than 99% of the posters in this thread.

So what does it mean when a Z06 owner joins this merry group? :lol

Notice how I ignore the haters. :stickoutt

damn sounds like you have a crazy little car there... :buttrock

I saw a couple of vids about that GTI with two motors in it... holy SH!t that thing is crazy. I just installed an APT intercooler setup on one of my best friends GTI he is doing well over 200 rwhp his mods are: Garett chip,carbonium intake, boost controller, up pipe, down pipe, '3 full exhuast. They can be really quick with the right amount of money.

Are you finished? NOBODY CALLED BS AND DEMANDED PROOF THAT HIS CAR BEAT AN E46 M3! People wanted to see his car in action. Do you want me to spell it out for you?

We got 8 Audi guys that just joined a BMW forum to talk to each other in one thread about Audi 1/4 mile times.

What has happened to BF.com? It has gone down the drain.



Well I do own a BMW maybe it only has two wheels

2002 R1150GS

but it still is a BMW.. :nono

:alright

I guess I qualify...

Everybody be cool.

Armo95 is no hater.

And yeah, all the Audi people that just signed up to post here need to not agitate the locals. Respect the board members.

This one is done. But not without some warnings being issued.

Love4540- name-calling and profanity are not tolerated here. Next time I see it from you in this forum = Time Out.

AWM9- antagonism and general crap-stirring is not welcome here, if that's why you joined, your stay here will be an abbreviated one.

mmart6545- you're walking a fine line here, knock it off.

adc- For the record, Armo has been a member here a long time, and whether or not he currently owns a BMW or not, he is well respected here and has earned the right to be treated as such.