Well folks, the time may have come to part with this beast, as we are close to finishing off print magazine features and we have undertaken another project. Please view the below specs and write up on this car. Pics will be added in coming hours/days.

Here’s your chance to own 1 of the most prestigious BMW M3's ever built. Known as the “UBER M3” and built by award winning project vehicle designer Craig Lieberman, this car is a compilation of custom and exotic performance and styling parts from around the globe.
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Many may remember Lieberman for his world-famous orange Toyota Supra of “The Fast and The Furious” or for his Nissan Maxima or silver Skyline, also used in the movies. His Supra fetched bids of over $120,000 on E-Bay. Keep in mint that was after the car already earned its’ owner appearance fees totaling more than $100,000. His Skyline sold for nearly $200K.

Magazines such as MaxPower, ADDX, OpGezet, Banzai, Redline, HCI, TuningWerks, Performance BMW LS Speed and Style are preparing to run features. A deal was signed with the toy company Real Wheelz who is making a 1/18th scale model of the car.

This M3 has already appeared in a movie “Cheaper by the Dozen” and has been written into the script of “Fast and Furious 3” (the scriptwriter, Chris Morgan, is a friend.)

Although a handful of people are attempting to replicate this car, few have equaled this car's level of perfection. If you think all widebody cars are built the same way, crawl underneath them. The paint, body kit and body work cost $25,000 alone.

The front grilles, side gills and rear underbody diffuser are 100% carbon fiber, NOT overlays. Factory bi-xenon lights have been upgraded;Angel Eyes were installed directly by the manufacturer. Even the foglights were upgraded to HID’s. Over $2500 in lighting alone in this car.

Exterior
2002 BMW M3 (SMG II)
Flossman GTR-style wide body kit
PPG Monterey candy blue paint
Umnitza Angel Eyes conversion kit for Bi-Xenon lights
Umnitza 6000K Xenon bulb upgrade
Umnitza 6000K HID Foglights
Stealth Auto euro bulbs
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber Roundel replacements, front/rear
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber front grilles (not overlays)
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber side kidney gills (not overlays)
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber rear bumper under-body diffuser
CF Prototype carbon fiber engine accessory covers, HID ballast box cover, fuse box cover

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Suspension/Brakes
KW Ver 3 coil overs, 28 way adjustable
Stop Tech 14” front with 4 piston calipers cross-drilled rotors
Stop Tech 14” rear with 4 piston calipers cross-drilled rotors
Braided Stainless lines
Benfer Performance Carbon Fiber strut tower bar
Hotchkis Tuning Sway Bars
SPC Caster/Camber plates (front)
SPC rear lower control arms

Tires/Wheels
HRE 540R 20 x 11 with 5 inch rear lip, gunmetal centers (rear)
HRE 540R 20 x 9.5 with 3 inch front lip, gunmetal centers, (front)
Continental 305/25/20
Continental 255/30/20

If you’re wondering why this car has a more aggressive look than other widebody cars, it’s because 20 inch wheels were built to spec with secret offsets. Wheels alone retail for $9200, another $2000 for tires.

Car has KW Suspension’s Version 3 variant coilover (28 way adjustable), 14 inch brakes, sway bars are from Hotchkis, caster camber plates and rear control arms from SPC. Why a front and rear brake swap? Because no detail was overlooked and no expense was spared in building this car. Tires, wheels, brakes and suspension would take $25,000 to replicate.

Performance
Gruppe M carbon fiber intake with K&N Filter
Powerchip ECU Upgrade
MagnaFlow full 2.5” dual cat-back exhaust system
Nitrous Express nitrous system (75hp) with dual purge kit
Sun Auto Voltage Stabilizer kit
Sun Auto HyperGround kit
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Interior
Sparco Milano racing seats
M3 embroidered floor mats
Blue carbon fiber trim on armrests, dash trim by AutoDynamicsWest.com
AC Schnitzer Carbon Fiber brake, gas, dead pedal kit
Kenwood KVT-915DVD AM/FM/CD/TV/DVD/MP3 7”inch motorized touch screen
Kenwood KNA-4100 DVD-based Navigation
Kenwood KTC-H2A1 Sirius Tuner
Kenwood KTC-V500N TV Tuner
Kenwood KHD-CX910 Music Keg
Kenwood KFC-Xr61p Separates (2 sets)
Kenwood KAC-X621 Amplifiers (3 units)
Kenwood KAC-X811D Amplifiers (2 units)
Kenwood KFC-XW1300DVC 12 inch woofers (3)
Kenwood KSC-700CCS Center Channel Speaker
Two Xenarc 7 inch TV screens in quarter windows
One Xenarc 7 inch touch screen w/laptop interface in pod on top of dash
One 10 inch Xenarc TV screen hung from rear roll bar
TeleMaDX PC-based control software for touch screen interfaces
Passport SR7 Radar/Laser detector/shifter, built in and hidden
BelTronics Performance meter with PC-based interface
Dell Latitude Laptop/PC 1.8 GHz with CD-R/DVD and 14 inch screen
Optima Gell Cell Battery
Sparco Harnesses
Sparco Milano Seats
Roll Cage: (PSR) Temecula, Calif.
Custom installation; by Audio Toyz
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Like every other component on this car, the interior is an exercise in extreme engineering and creativity. A blue carbon fiber process was developed especially for the interior of this car; much of the black factory plastic has been bathed in it. Carbon fiber AC Schnitzer pedals lay at the driver’s feet.

Sparco red suede racing seats and harnesses wrap the driver and passenger in comfort. A custom pod on top of the dash houses a touch screen TV that interfaces with the laptop, which is mounted atop an owner-designed fully show-chromed roll cage. The bar that supports the laptop is easily removed with 2 polished allen head crews in seconds.

The roll bar also holds 2 additional TV's facing out each of the side 1/4 windows and also holds a swing down monitor near the rear window of the car. Additional viewing screens are in the trunk. There’s also a camcorder mount on the roll cage.

There’s $20,000 in audio/video equipment alone, before installation.

The car features 2 full navigation systems, 1 in the Kenwood head unit, 1 in the laptop. The laptop contains performance-measuring software which gathers data from a windshield mounted sensor. Another great feature is the Kenwood Music Keg. Basically a hard drive for the car, this device holds some 2500 songs and makes CD changers obsolete.

Red LED’s are placed throughout the sound system, including in the door speakers and in the trunk. At night, the car is aglow with tastefully executed lighting. LED’s were chosen over cheesy cheap neon tubes, another testament to the car’s overall build quality.

PRICE
Used examples of a 2002 M3 are selling for about $45,000 in stock or near stock condition. New M3’s sell for around $62,000 if you opt for HID’s, moonroof, Navigation and premium wheels.

With $80,000 in parts alone to build this car; factor in the labor, you can see that more than $120K was invested to build this car, not including the price of the car.

Simply put, the stature, the level of modification and the attention to detail is what makes this vehicle unique. Its’ potential placement in Fast and Furious 3, while not confirmed, could provide a huge windfall for the new owner.
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You may be thinking, ‘I’ll just go buy a cheaper BMW and build something similar for less money.’ You need to know going in that when you factor in the cost of a complete color change, then try to replicate my audio and custom parts, the total cost of your 323 project car will still come out over $65,000 and it’ll take you a year or more to build such a car, not to mention that you’ll still be 100+hp short of this M3. If you can’t see a difference between this car and a cheaper 323 as a project starting point, this car isn’t for you.

With these factors in mind, the car is offered at a very reasonable $95,000, which includes covered Motor Coach door to door shipping anywhere in the contiguous USA. You will not find a better constructed show/street car anywhere. You could drive this car everyday if so desired.

While willing to consider all reasonable cash offers, we are not in a position to take trades (ex. Porsche 996TT/Ferrari), nor can we accept payments.

There is something else you should consider. When driving a car like this, you cannot be prepared for the attention you’ll receive. Having owned a Diablo, I can tell you that this car gets a great deal more attention, especially by women, who seem to love M3’s. If you like this kind of attention, this car is for you. If not, buy something else.

TERMS:
Upon acceptance of your offer, buyer is to PayPal a $1000 non-refundable deposit. which buys you time, 10 days, in which to complete the transaction. If the balance of the monies are not received by then, we keep your deposit and move on to the next buyer in line.

The car can be made available for inspection at my place of business. You or your proxy would be welcome to inspect the car during normal business hours. Test drive offered only once deposit is received and only with me in the vehicle. If full price is not achieved, offer to ship the car at my cost is rescinded.

We are in no hurry to sell this vehicle and will spend as much time as needed to find the right buyer for this vehicle.

Car will not be parted out, nor will pieces be sold individually. Such inquiries will not receive replies. Tire kickers who want to know “where we got XYZ part” will likewise not receive replies.

Car is sold “AS IS” with no warranties, express or implied. You are welcome to have the car checked by a mechanic at your expense, but again, the ultimate responsibility for checking out the car falls upon the buyer.

Email me at liebermc1@cox.net for more info/pictures or go to this thread

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=219119
or this one http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=1278

street's closed pizza boy. find another way home.


ok i'll bet he's heard that a million times.


free bump for a sweet showcar.

too rich for my blood -- i'd like to see some pictures though.

too rich for my blood -- i'd like to see some pictures though.



they did a feature on it over at fanatics.

Damn, how many times can you glorify Craig Lieberman in one thread...give me a break, hes a normal dude with an unlimited budget to build cars...it isn't hard with enough money.

Very very nice car, but please limit the nutswinging and self glorification. ;)

Very very nice car, but please limit the nutswinging and self glorification. ;)

:lol

That's classic.

Outrageous car..no doubt... A "street" car, however, I beg to differ.... :dunno

With that, i think you'll have much more luck selling that in the Dupont Registry!

Do you always refer to yourself in the 3rd person?

i never saw it in cheaper by the dozen??? Where was it...

street's closed pizza boy. find another way home..

:rofl

It's not too overdone if you pulled out the audio and cf stuff and didn't mind the bodywork.

all that money into the car, and you throw on Continentals? :confused:

Damn, how many times can you glorify Craig Lieberman in one thread...give me a break, hes a normal dude with an unlimited budget to build cars...it isn't hard with enough money.

Very very nice car, but please limit the nutswinging and self glorification. ;)


true, this man ruined the "Blackbird"...one of the sickest R34 Skylines around..........wtf, do you need three bottles of Nitrous for???

but bump for a nice car...i'm sure it's worth $95k to someone......
didn't the kid from malcom in the middle overpay for the Jetta in the first movie??.....give him a call...

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That interior is absolutely hideous. The electronic dashboard blocking the real gauges? Ugly. The in-dash video screen is acceptable, but what in the name of all that is bmw is that blue thing on top? I thought it was photoshopped in at first, it looks that out of place. And the laptop stand looks like something bought at Offce Depot for 20 dollars.

The rest of the car looks nice, although I'd lose the windshield sticker on top, or at least make it span the whole glass.

Good luck with the sale.

Yeah, the electronic junk inside ruins it for me.

true, this man ruined the "Blackbird"...one of the sickest R34 Skylines around..........wtf, do you need three bottles of Nitrous for???

Ruined it? Forgive me for this reply....I mean no disrespect. Motorex had that car for 2 years and got zero press with the car. In the 18 months I had it, it was in 26 magazines on 5 continents, made $140,000 in rentals and appearance fees and went on to sell for 2 1/2 times what I paid for it. If that's ruining it, color me guilty.

Try to appreciate that my cars are purpose built to garner exposure and to make money. Each of the last several show cars I've built has done exactly that. Perhaps this is why I retain 90% of my sponsors why my sponsor list is long and distinguished.

I can appreciate that this car is not to everyone's taste, just as stock M3's or those with the same old lip spoiler, lowering and tints bore me to death. I instead choose to create something unique rather than to drive something similar to many others' M's.

Dwayne: That item "blocking" the real gauges is a replacement for the real gauges. It is a MOtec ADL and it monitors many functions. It is Formula 1 technology and the LCD display is a $5000 item alone. Perhaps you need to take a look at some real race cars to appreciate its' capabilities, I can assure you that it is far superior to any car's stock dash. Its' not included with the sale anyway, so it would not be an issue. The laptop and the bar supporting it are removable in seconds with 2 screws.

As for the gentlemen who said "you threw on Continentals," perhaps you haven't done your research either. They are the ONLY manufacturer making a 305 25 20. That tire size was critical to achieving the proper look and wheel gap in the rear. I didn't "throw them on," I hunted them down.

ALI: This M3 was in Cheaper By the Dozen when it was black. It was parked, several kids were leaning on it and Ashton Kutcher kicks it and sets off the alarm. 10 seconds of glory...hehehe

What's disturbing to me is that some people in the M3 camp are no different than the Impala SS camp. Those guys were listing embroidered floor mats and synthetic oil as "mods" on their mod lists. Some M3 guys seem to think that a lip spoiler, an ACS wing, HRE's and some tints make their car "extremely modified" then choose to attack those who have truly built more extreme examples.

Guys: I built this car to make it different from 99.9999% of all the M3's you see at the meets. On most M3's, you can count the number of mods on one hand and they're nearly indistinguishable from the M3 parked next to them. If that's your cup of tea, great, don't buy this car. Any guido with a credit card can build one of those cars in 10 minutes and it's not to my tastes...yet you don't see me bashing them in their FS threads.

Forgive me, but if some people choose to throw ridiculous judgements without knowing what goes into building a car this extreme, it is incumbent upon me to challenge these "experts." While this car may be overdone to some, as history suggests, there are people who can appreciate the work and creativity that goes into cars like these widebody M3's.

ALI: This M3 was in Cheaper By the Dozen when it was black. It was parked, several kids were leaning on it and Ashton Kutcher kicks it and sets off the alarm. 10 seconds of glory...hehehe

I remember that scene :rofl

Good luck on the sale Craig, it's a beautiful car.

Dwayne: That item "blocking" the real gauges is a replacement for the real gauges. It is a MOtec ADL and it monitors many functions. It is Formula 1 technology and the LCD display is a $5000 item alone. Perhaps you need to take a look at some real race cars to appreciate its' capabilities, I can assure you that it is far superior to any car's stock dash. Its' not included with the sale anyway, so it would not be an issue. The laptop and the bar supporting it are removable in seconds with 2 screws.


I didn't realize your car was a real race car. I've never seen it participate in any track events. I only see it look pretty and get sponsorships. Maybe your ecu chip and magnaflow exhaust make it a race car, or your millions of lcd screens inside.


What's disturbing to me is that some people in the M3 camp are no different than the Impala SS camp. Those guys were listing embroidered floor mats and synthetic oil as "mods" on their mod lists. Some M3 guys seem to think that a lip spoiler, an ACS wing, HRE's and some tints make their car "extremely modified" then choose to attack those who have truly built more extreme examples.

If I'm not mistaken, that flossman kit is prefabricated, meaning its practically bolt on with the exception of minor modification such as molding it into the body. Take a look at hotrods Craig, those are "extremely modified", not your bolt on show car bmw.


Any guido with a credit card can build one of those cars in 10 minutes and it's not to my tastes...yet you don't see me bashing them in their FS threads.
This comment really makes me laugh because in the end, you're the guy that just has an unlimited credit card and thats why you get all your sponsorships Craig. You honestly think you have a talent in putting cars together? HA HA Give me a break, all you have is decent taste and a fat wallet.



I don't like bashing anyone, but when someone puts down other m3's as being normal and acting like their m3 is superior to all... its necessary. You then act like you're a God for all these cars you've built, when in reality you just know the right people and most importantly have the right amount of money. You would have been better off just listing the mods and putting it for sale instead of over glorifying it like God's own hand touched it.

I'm done in this thread.

I saw this car at SEMA. It looks are extreme and I'm sure someone will pay $95k for it. There's a lot more than that in just mods alone and you're guaranteed to get attention in this car. A lot of people will pay that kind of money for attention. I think you'll have no problem selling the car, it probably won't be sold over here at bimmerforums though. Good luck with the sale.

Dwayne: That item "blocking" the real gauges is a replacement for the real gauges. It is a MOtec ADL and it monitors many functions. It is Formula 1 technology and the LCD display is a $5000 item alone. Perhaps you need to take a look at some real race cars to appreciate its' capabilities, I can assure you that it is far superior to any car's stock dash. Its' not included with the sale anyway, so it would not be an issue. The laptop and the bar supporting it are removable in seconds with 2 screws.I said "ugly", not "useless", read my post again. I know exactly what product it is, and I don't really see a point for it in this type of car. It's a great tool to use for a track car, but seeing as to how you really can't decide whether this car is just a rolling movie theater, I don't see a point in having it. When's the last time you saw a race car with LCDs bolted to the roll cage? I have looked at "real race cars", that's why I brought this up. I think you need to decide whether you want a race car or a bling mobile. You didn't address the ugly screen in the blue enclosure on top of everything, either.

Sorry if I'm coming across as harsh, I'm just telling you what I see when I look at your ad and were a potential buyer. The car is beautiful, don't get me wrong, I just really don't like the interior work. To loosely borrow a phrase from Jeremy Clarkson, "If I stuffed a bunch of controls and knobs in my mouth and sneezed inside the car, it would look better than this."

Again, good luck with the sale, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to own this car.

Wow....this dude needs to get over himself...BADLY! Even if i chose to waste $95K (which I wouldn't) on a car like that...the seller would kill the deal for me!

I didn't realize your car was a real race car. I've never seen it participate in any track events. I only see it look pretty and get sponsorships. Maybe your ecu chip and magnaflow exhaust make it a race car, or your millions of lcd screens inside.

Never said it was. I said the screen was used in real race cars and given its' capabilities, was far superior to standard dash sets. Nice try at twisting my words to suit your distorted sense of reality.


If I'm not mistaken, that flossman kit is prefabricated, meaning its practically bolt on with the exception of minor modification such as molding it into the body. Take a look at hotrods Craig, those are "extremely modified", not your bolt on show car bmw.

Ha! That's a laugh! If you think these kits bolt on, you're more off base than I thought. There's 160 hours in paint and blending to get this kit on the car. There are a total of 3 kits on cars in the world, as opposed to how many ACS front lips? If you think its' so easy, Go try it for yourself.

This comment really makes me laugh because in the end, you're the guy that just has an unlimited credit card and thats why you get all your sponsorships Craig. You honestly think you have a talent in putting cars together? HA HA Give me a break, all you have is decent taste and a fat wallet.

Most retarded statement you made. My credit card gets me sponsorships? Wrong again, stud. My history of getting cars exposure gets me sponsorships.

I don't like bashing anyone, but when someone puts down other m3's as being normal and acting like their m3 is superior to all... its necessary. You then act like you're a God for all these cars you've built, when in reality you just know the right people and most importantly have the right amount of money. You would have been better off just listing the mods and putting it for sale instead of over glorifying it like God's own hand touched it.

I never bashed M3's for being normal. I bashed some M3's for being boring. You're allowed to express your opinion, so am I. I "just know" people because I get exposure. People know I deliver and I attribute all of my successes to the support of a great network of people and companies. I don't think God's hand touched this car...in reality, the "hands" of many touched this car...my sponsors', my shops and my tuners. To me, they're all Gods...and I'm proud of their work. So, with all due respect, until you show me something you've built that's better, STFU and stop hijacking my thread.

I'm done in this thread. Good. Now go away.

Wow....this dude needs to get over himself...BADLY! Even if i chose to waste $95K (which I wouldn't) on a car like that...the seller would kill the deal for me!

Dude...you threw down with a ridiculous statement about Continentals and I corrected you. Again, if people are going to speak about topics of which they have limited knowledge, I reserve the right to respond. I've afforded more respect than I've received in return, and I'm done being nice.

One the best looking flossmans to come out of the bodyshop...atleast it's not chrome :D

I'm not all into the interior, but i'm sure there are people that would be.

As far as the instrument panel goes...only thing I might have tried, is to lose the factory setup and intergrate the Stack, or whatever they are, guages into the dash...instead of having both, would just look cleaner I guess.

It's still an overweight e46...but one of the nicest out there, bump.

guys, if you don't like the car, move on. He is trying to sell something that he has put a lot of time/money into, if its not your taste, no one is forcing you to respond let alone buy it. you are no better than a troll to sit here and rag on him from your computer. Would any of you say this to his face? I doubt it, what a bunch of e-thugs.

this car looks very nice in person, if someone wants a really done up car, they would like it, but I have a feeling that all the low ballers here can't appreciate a car with 120,000 invested. That's probably more than most of the haters in this thread make in a year, no wonder they don't like it.

One the best looking flossmans to come out of the bodyshop...atleast it's not chrome :D

I'm not all into the interior, but i'm sure there are people that would be.

As far as the instrument panel goes...only thing I might have tried, is to lose the factory setup and intergrate the Stack, or whatever they are, guages into the dash...instead of having both, would just look cleaner I guess.

It's still an overweight e46...but one of the nicest out there, bump.


Very good points.

I did indeed consider glassing the Motec into the factory instrument panel. But I realized that there may be a potential buyer at some point who would not like it that way, and once I did it, it'd be hard to go back.

Yes, indeed, it is overweight. Show cars rarely make good track cars. I guess I'm lucky in that this car can be daily driven, though.

Very good points.

I did indeed consider glassing the Motec into the factory instrument panel. But I realized that there may be a potential buyer at some point who would not like it that way, and once I did it, it'd be hard to go back.

Yes, indeed, it is overweight. Show cars rarely make good track cars. I guess I'm lucky in that this car can be daily driven, though.

completely ot, but brett coca. name is familiar to you correct?

completely ot, but brett coca. name is familiar to you correct?
Yes. Brett is a fellow member of ArtNMotion. He has a beautiful 350Z widebody, a car he built with a little help from another mutual friend, RJ De Vera.

I consider Brett and RJ's works to be truly inspirational, trend setting and of the highest quality. Not to mention the fact that they're both fantastic people.

Dude...you threw down with a ridiculous statement about Continentals and I corrected you. Again, if people are going to speak about topics of which they have limited knowledge, I reserve the right to respond. I've afforded more respect than I've received in return, and I'm done being nice.

Was it all that ridiculous though? Just because continental happens to be the only maker that produces the size you were looking for, DOES NOT make them a good tire. My comment was speaking to the quality of the tire....not the size availability....they still suck IMHO! ;)

I consider Brett and RJ's works to be truly inspirational, trend setting and of the highest quality. Not to mention the fact that they're both fantastic people.

100% agreed.

i thought your name & car were familiar.

best of luck on the sale, the car looks otherworldly.

i dont think ive seen so many children jealous and angry at the same time.

the car took time and money, now he is parting with it, he didnt bash your for sale threads, so dont bash his.


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more pics or ban please.

Sorry Craig, I didn't realize you put all the time and effort into molding the prefabricated body kit into the car and painted the car yourself, oh wait no you didn't.... your pocket book paid for all that. Your pocket book doesn't get you sponsorships, you say your past cars do. Oh wait, your pocket book paid for everything to be done on those past cars.

I have no problem at all with paying someone else to do things on your car, but don't act like it was you put the man hours into it, and don't brag or be arrogant about your cars either... being humble is a great character trait.

Nice show car though Craig, I've always liked it. :)

And yes if someone talked in third person about themselves in real life, you can be damn sure I'd call them out. :redspot

i dont think ive seen so many children jealous and angry at the same time.

the car took time and money, now he is parting with it, he didnt bash your for sale threads, so dont bash his.


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I am not jealous or angry in the slightest bit...i can only speak for myself, of course. If i wanted an e46 m3...I could buy one tomorrow...with cash...and it would stay close to stock with mostly "Go" mods...

That's not the point, however...i think most people here are put off by his arrogance and pompous attitude....

///M3ryder is a smart guy :D

Guys, who gives a shit if you think it's useless? This guy does this kind of work for a business. If he's made over $140K in renting the car out, he obviously knows what he's doing, and our opinions don't mean shit.

Guys, who gives a shit if you think it's useless? This guy does this kind of work for a business. If he's made over $140K in renting the car out, he obviously knows what he's doing, and our opinions don't mean shit.

this is a public forum...by posting you are opening yourself to Public opinion...u dope!

Craig I've seen it asked a few times but haven't seen an answer -- what is that giant blue thing on top of the dash above the radio?

And why would one need "two full navigation systems" ??

I think that Craig's cars are built to please a certain demographic...heck, we all don't like the Model T do we? I think what he does with his cars is to show people what is possible...not to necessarily do it yourself.

The thing about cars is that they express our own individual tastes. I love the exterior of the car, the interior less so...as I am more performance oriented.

Craig, on a personal note has become a target for criticism due to the FF franchise...I wouldn't try to defend what you've done...either you like his cars or you don't....simple as that. BTW...the third person stuff IS a little tacky.

D.

this is a public forum...by posting you are opening yourself to Public opinion...u dope!

within reason. for instance: you have freedom of speech in this country, but if you tell someone you are going to kill them, you WILL get in trouble for a threat.

what some people are doing here is simply in bad taste. Also, it is against the rules to say an item is overpriced here, fyi. so anyone not happy with his price should just shut their big mouths, again, no one is forcing you to buy the car.

Lets see pics of the 826hp widebody Poopra and the 996! :eek:

Beautiful M by the way, but there is no sense selling it on this forum. Nobody has 95k...

within reason. for instance: you have freedom of speech in this country, but if you tell someone you are going to kill them, you WILL get in trouble for a threat.

what some people are doing here is simply in bad taste. Also, it is against the rules to say an item is overpriced here, fyi. so anyone not happy with his price should just shut their big mouths, again, no one is forcing you to buy the car.

can you show me the post where someone said it was overpriced? :dunno

Wow you guys are a bunch of rude assholes. If you don't like the car, fine, but don't piss on his sale thread for Christ's sake.

Would you like it if someone did the same shit to you?

true, this man ruined the "Blackbird"...one of the sickest R34 Skylines around..........wtf, do you need three bottles of Nitrous for???

Thank you.....Why its a R34 its twin turbo charged. Thats all you need. Bump for a sick car. but for that much i will go buy a used Ferrari

I love the outside looks of the car, very professionally done.

Don't think I would ever buy it, attempting to figure out someone else's electrical gremlins later is not much fun.

Secondly, I would hate trying to find a buyer for this car without taking a bath.

Good Luck

Sorry Craig, I didn't realize you put all the time and effort into molding the prefabricated body kit into the car and painted the car yourself, oh wait no you didn't.... your pocket book paid for all that. Your pocket book doesn't get you sponsorships, you say your past cars do. Oh wait, your pocket book paid for everything to be done on those past cars.

I have no problem at all with paying someone else to do things on your car, but don't act like it was you put the man hours into it, and don't brag or be arrogant about your cars either... being humble is a great character trait.

Nice show car though Craig, I've always liked it. :)

And yes if someone talked in third person about themselves in real life, you can be damn sure I'd call them out. :redspot


You have some valid points, but may I respond thusly:
Who among us paints our own cars?
Who among us does much of the more advanced installation tasks on high end cars?

If its' so easy to build a show winning car, why doesn't everyone do it?

The answer is this; building a show winning car takes commitment; financial commitment, commitment to search out and obtain the unique parts, commitment to be extreme and a commitment to part with the mindset that you can build such a car at home in your own garage. Having worked on many movies and having been inside TV shows such as OverHaulin, American Hot Rod, etc., I can tell you that even the very best sometimes farm out work. I'm not comparing myself to Boyd or CHip, except in a design concept sense, but yes, I do in fact farm out a great deal of the work. But again, if its' so easy, why doesn't everyone do it? Because not everyone is as committed.

JM01DC: Still trying to understand your analysis of tires. You don't like COntinentals? Well, I heard Firestone is having a blow out sale. Go pick yourself up a set. My Continentals suit me just fine. I've killed Bridgestones, Yokohamas, Falkens, BFG's and Toyos' during the course of owning some 42 cars and tracking about 20 of them. They're all about the same until you get into competition tires. If you'd like to debate tires, post your racing resume first, otherwise, use the Off Topic forum. With respect to the work done on my cars, as I said, I'm proud of the work my shops have done...its top notch and the car competes here in So Calif, against the best of the best, and usually walks out on top, so I'm bragging on their behalf.

As for my Fast & Furious works, go towww.moviecarz.com and read the TRUE story, then judge.

JTERP: Its a touch screen TV pod. It interfaces with the laptop and some of the other TV's in the car. It controls everything that the laptop does from a touch screen. The laptop provides the gaming portal and other PC based functions, most notably, the performance computer and at shows, the laptop swivels to face the passengers' window, so I can reach in and control it from there, if I'm not in the drivers' seat.

To the fellow who posted about electrical gremlins: thankfully, there are none. This is the great thing about "paying for it out of my pocketbook." (sorry, had to poke fun at myself). It was done at a reputable shop and everything works as designed. The cables/wiring is loomed nicely and organized properly. This car is properly built...I got what I paid for.

As for pics, here's the Supra. ALthough it looks complete, I'm really getting started. Color/interior will change.

http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_76_8.jpg
http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_76_2.jpg

This was my Skyline...BEFORE I rented it to Universal for 2F2F
http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_31_5.jpg
http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_31_6.jpg
http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_31_0.jpg

This was my first Supra...BEFORE I rented it to UNiversal for TF & TF. This car was built up during the 1997-1998 show seasons, so if it looks bland by today's standards, remember that it was built several years ago.
http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_73_1.jpg


Gentlemen:I can appreciate your opinions, good or bad. But hijacking this thread for unsolicited criticism is a bit rude, a bit e thuggish, don't you agree?

I would surely welcome excahanges like this:

"Gee, Craig, good luck on the sale. I was wondering why you chose to be so extreme in the interior? The pod on top of the dash seems to be over kill? Does it serve a purpose or is it more for shock value? The car seems to be purpose built as a show car, can it be driven normally?"

"Why yes, Mr. Discriminating and Polite enthusiast, it IS overkill, but my cars are built as showpieces, and they tend to be a bit extreme for some, but the pod can be removed. The car CAN be driven daily and in fact I do drive it often."

Instead of "dude, Continentals suck. I have no racing experience and have never built a show car, but my high post count qualifies me as an expert. After all, here in the tri state area, there's a show Toyota 4 Runner here that goes to Englishtown that features linoleum flooring, so we're considered experts in trendsetting among automotive experts." Sound ridiculous? So do critiques coming from people who have never built anything or post opinions without any evidence, ESPECIALLY IN A FOR SALE THREAD.

Legitimate questions/polite comments welcome, all others will receive responses in similar tones to their initial post.

wow...the supras are nothing short of incredible... Just wow! Wanna sell the silver one? :D That thing is perfection on wheels.

wow...the supras are nothing short of incredible... Just wow! Wanna sell the silver one? :D That thing is perfection on wheels.

I couldn't sell that thing right this second....the paint on the front fenders and bumper needs to be redone at the very least, at the head is off getting some work done (which is good, as it turns out, because the head gasket is going south)

That car is finicky, too. Clutch is hard to use, its' a triple plate.

The car needs and AEM EMS. It runs good, but the idle wanders. I would not feel comfortable selling it that way.

To restore this car to perfect shape, it'd take $2500 to paint the front end, $2500 to to put in the new computer, $3000 for the good, driveable carbon carbon clutch.

I was planning to paint the whole car a different color, re do the interior, change the gauges and head unit and do some carbon and chrome stuff under the hood.

I guess anything's for sale....but I'd need to be clear about what's not perfect with the car in my mind before I considered "putting it out there" for sale.

Thankfully, the M3 has no such issues. I will indeed miss that car.

The color of the Supra is perfect...no need for another vibrant color, it's perfect looking

<------jealous

Craig, will you pimp my ride too?

<------jealous

Craig, will you pimp my ride too?

Hahaha...

Dude...your 328 in your sig looks pretty pimp to me :pimpflash

Bump for a good sale

Nice car craig I saw this car along time ago in a magazine and I fell in love with it. Props to you

Haha I didn't bash the continentals Craig, that was some other guy. In fact, I rolled continentals on my m3 wheels because I wanted ride comfort. The silver supra is so tasteful and mmmmm nice. :clap

Don't take things I said the wrong way Craig, I still respect you for the time you put into making sure the cars look good and get exposure.

This thread started off with a lot of bad posts, hijacking, and aggression. Its really taken a turn for the better here at the end - attributed in no small part to Craiglieberman's constant respect and professionalism and the moderating effect of our very own SilverBeam! :buttrock

Dude...your 328 in your sig looks pretty pimp to me :pimpflash

This is a great response! A guy that builds $100,000 show cars for the cream of the crop shows and movie studios has enough humility to complement another car owner with a nice looking BMW - even if that car isn't how Craig would've built it or even if its not a car "expensive" enough to interest him! :alright

Good luck with the sale, Craig, but as many have said you'll probably have much more luck on the Dupont Registry than Bimmerforums!

ps - you should stick around here even after you've posted your car for sale! This is really a good community and I'm sure you have some valuable knowledge that you could contribute in our Style or other forums. Our OT forum is quite a hoot... don't expect to build show cars like this anymore though - you'll spend all your time clicking "Refresh" on the OT forum!

http://www.moviecarz.com/galleries/images/1_76_2.jpg

WOW!! I love this engine shot and the supra is pure sex!!!!! Good luck with the sale. I am having a hard time moving mine right now as well.

This thread started off with a lot of bad posts, hijacking, and aggression. Its really taken a turn for the better here at the end - attributed in no small part to Craiglieberman's constant respect and professionalism and the moderating effect of our very own SilverBeam! :buttrock



This is a great response! A guy that builds $100,000 show cars for the cream of the crop shows and movie studios has enough humility to complement another car owner with a nice looking BMW - even if that car isn't how Craig would've built it or even if its not a car "expensive" enough to interest him! :alright

Good luck with the sale, Craig, but as many have said you'll probably have much more luck on the Dupont Registry than Bimmerforums!

ps - you should stick around here even after you've posted your car for sale! This is really a good community and I'm sure you have some valuable knowledge that you could contribute in our Style or other forums. Our OT forum is quite a hoot... don't expect to build show cars like this anymore though - you'll spend all your time clicking "Refresh" on the OT forum!

You're probably right on the Dupont thing. Candidly, I was hoping a fellow Bimmer brother or sister would buy the car...and give me visitation rights.

But I also posted on the BMW forums hoping to attract a buyer from another country or another brand who was looking to jump into the BMW world.

I know that when I was looking for mine, my first stop was the various BMW chat boards.

<------jealous

Craig, will you pimp my ride too?

Yes, mine too! BTW, gorgeous M3, Craig! :cool

I can pimp anything!

Check this car out: I "pimped" this one for a guy working on a really limited budget. This guy is 65 years old, retired from the police force.

Caution: Built as a show car....but is also a daily driver...may not be to everyone's tastes.

http://www.magnaflow.com/06vehicles/showcars/gifs/350z/louis01_lg.jpg

http://www.magnaflow.com/06vehicles/showcars/gifs/350z/louis03_lg.jpg

http://www.magnaflow.com/06vehicles/showcars/gifs/350z/louis04_lg.jpg

Wow...I guess i appreciate the jap cars you've done more than the BMWs craig...not that the Z is my thang...but the over the top look fits it more than an e46 M3...IMHO... Nice looking Z...love the wheels.

Wow...I guess i appreciate the jap cars you've done more than the BMWs craig...not that the Z is my thang...but the over the top look fits it more than an e46 M3...IMHO... Nice looking Z...love the wheels.
Why is that, Chris? Is it the style I use on the Japanese cars, or is that they're more subtle than I did with the M, just out of curiosity?

Props to you Craig! You've taken a passion that most of us have, modding cars and turned it into what appears to be a lucrative business.

Your over the top creations may not be for a lot of us, but then again, how many of us have Universal Studios calling us to rent our cars?

Love your sig and keep up the good work!

I can pimp anything!

Caution: Built as a show car....but is also a daily driver...may not be to everyone's tastes.



See know this should be in the beginning of all your posts... I for one feel the M3 is sweet looking... Not my taste therefore I wouldn't drive it but, it is nice none the less. As far as the silver TRD3000GT all I would do is clean it up and just go full force on speed and suspension...

Why is that, Chris? Is it the style I use on the Japanese cars, or is that they're more subtle than I did with the M, just out of curiosity?

I dunno craig...I guess maybe it's due to the fact that I love the e46 M3 as it is...and I'm more for the subtle upgrades. To me, an e46 M3 with 19" BBS LMs is perfect... :D But hey, thats just me and my taste. With the Z and supras in general, we've come to expect more over-the-top modifications, especially where body work is concerned...

I think the M3 is gorgeous...for sure...and i commend you on the work put into it... But man, i'd be scared to drive it...it's more suited for a museum.. ;)

Two words...RACE TRACK...

For 95k I could build a car that would kill it on a track...then again I am more of a track whore :cool The bling, bling, thing makes me want to puke....Going to car shows is like a nighmare..Looking at all the wasted metal polished up to look pretty...sad, very sad for an M car....

But if talking trash about how much carbon and "mods" that never get used is your thing, more power to you! Different strokes for differnet folks! You don't see many "show" cars out on the track..might scratch the paint!!! God forbid!
:D

Wow! That M3 is Gorgeous. Craig if you could email me the details on the supra I might be interested. I currently own a 1998 Quicksilver Bone Stock Six Speed with 23k miles and looking at adding a single turbo to the stable. The color on Craig's Supra appears to be Quicksilver by the way. Craig please email me at cor2nir@aol.com details on the supra.

Thanks
Corey

I like the way you defend yourself craig, you do it in a polite and fashionable way. Good luck with the sale on the M3- I can't wait to see what your next project has to offer...

Guys give Craig some credit, I dont know why so many people are against bmw's that are show cars. Its something different and if Craig can afford to do it, he should!

Tab-

Two words...RACE TRACK...

For 95k I could build a car that would kill it on a track...

This post isn't necessary, man! Come on, the guy is trying to sell his car, and you come in talking about how track > show. I gaurantee that if anyone was trying to sell a track car on this forum, the moderators wouldn't allow people to come in and talk smack about how show cars are uber-l33t and pwn track cars.

love the m3 craig.. but thing i really want to know is...

where you get that "I <3 Drifting" sticker thats on the supra :rofl

i want one

love the m3 craig.. but thing i really want to know is...

where you get that "I <3 Drifting" sticker thats on the supra :rofl

i want one

I got it from the D1GP webite.

w00t I'm gonna get that sticker :pimpflash

w00t I'm gonna get that sticker :pimpflashWhat are you going to do, slap it on the Evo before you ship it? :rofl

that 350z is BADASS

that 350z is BADASS

yeah...too bad its so slow. Damn...260hp and can't get out of its' own way. That car would be fun...with another 250hp.

yeah...too bad its so slow. Damn...260hp and can't get out of its' own way. That car would be fun...with another 250hp.

lol...nothing a greddy twin turbo can't fix somewhat...or a Procharger SC! :dunno


In stock form, they're WEAK!! I drove one a year ago...and couldn't wait to get back into my NA M3.

I can pimp anything!

Check this car out: I "pimped" this one for a guy working on a really limited budget. This guy is 65 years old, retired from the police force.


So, what's a 'really limited budget'?


Caution: Built as a show car....but is also a daily driver...may not be to everyone's tastes.


http://www.magnaflow.com/06vehicles/showcars/gifs/350z/louis03_lg.jpg

The chrome terminator skull should be on a bondo'd El Camino. *ZING* But that sort of detail will grab attention. As you said, show car, and not built to everyone's tastes.

Sorry you don't like the lowly 323s.

If its' so easy to build a show winning car, why doesn't everyone do it?

The answer is this; building a show winning car takes commitment; financial commitment, commitment to search out and obtain the unique parts, commitment to be extreme and a commitment to part with the mindset that you can build such a car at home in your own garage. Having worked on many movies and having been inside TV shows such as OverHaulin, American Hot Rod, etc., I can tell you that even the very best sometimes farm out work. I'm not comparing myself to Boyd or CHip, except in a design concept sense, but yes, I do in fact farm out a great deal of the work. But again, if its' so easy, why doesn't everyone do it? Because not everyone is as committed.

Craig,

It is not too difficult to build a show car with an unlimited budget. What you do is buy allot of parts and stick them on a car. How hard is that? Give me enough money and I will build you a car that will blow your aunt Connie's socks off.

Please do not think you have 1/10 of the design concept that Boyd Coddington has. Boyd Coddington builds truly awesome cars. Cars that appeal to most everyone, not a selected few who think F&F was the best movie ever.

JTERP: Its a touch screen TV pod. It interfaces with the laptop and some of the other TV's in the car. It controls everything that the laptop does from a touch screen. The laptop provides the gaming portal and other PC based functions, most notably, the performance computer and at shows, the laptop swivels to face the passengers' window, so I can reach in and control it from there, if I'm not in the drivers' seat.



Why not just integrate a computer into the car? Place it in the trunk or wherever in the car and make it a showcase? Reconstruct the dash and put a 15.4" widescreen touch sensitive LCD. You could them add a micro pad or mouse on the center console. Better yet, use the I-Drive from the 5 or 7 series and integrate it to work the computer? I guess that is to much work and you cannot buy the parts and duct tape them together. Plus judging from that Blue thing on the dash I would not recommend you try and reconstruct the dash.

Ohh and of the car pics you posted.

The Silver Supra is nice.

The Nissan is OK. The wing front and rear needs to go. The body graphics need to go. The inside is nasty. Why not place the Nitrous bottles in the truck as they should be. Also why 2 nitrous bottles. Is the car that slow that it needs nitrous all the time?

The Yellow Supra is nice minus the body graphics.

The 350Z is the UGLIEST car I have ever seen inside and out. Pure nasty.

these are my personal opinions on the cars, some may think otherwise.

BP

PS The M3 you are selling is UGLY also. And if some moron gives you $95,000 for it, I will turn gay for a moment, get on my knees and take a load in the mouth, from you.

Ruined it? Forgive me for this reply....I mean no disrespect. Motorex had that car for 2 years and got zero press with the car. In the 18 months I had it, it was in 26 magazines on 5 continents, made $140,000 in rentals and appearance fees and went on to sell for 2 1/2 times what I paid for it. If that's ruining it, color me guilty.

Try to appreciate that my cars are purpose built to garner exposure and to make money. Each of the last several show cars I've built has done exactly that. Perhaps this is why I retain 90% of my sponsors why my sponsor list is long and distinguished.

I can appreciate that this car is not to everyone's taste, just as stock M3's or those with the same old lip spoiler, lowering and tints bore me to death. I instead choose to create something unique rather than to drive something similar to many others' M's.

Dwayne: That item "blocking" the real gauges is a replacement for the real gauges. It is a MOtec ADL and it monitors many functions. It is Formula 1 technology and the LCD display is a $5000 item alone. Perhaps you need to take a look at some real race cars to appreciate its' capabilities, I can assure you that it is far superior to any car's stock dash. Its' not included with the sale anyway, so it would not be an issue. The laptop and the bar supporting it are removable in seconds with 2 screws.

As for the gentlemen who said "you threw on Continentals," perhaps you haven't done your research either. They are the ONLY manufacturer making a 305 25 20. That tire size was critical to achieving the proper look and wheel gap in the rear. I didn't "throw them on," I hunted them down.

ALI: This M3 was in Cheaper By the Dozen when it was black. It was parked, several kids were leaning on it and Ashton Kutcher kicks it and sets off the alarm. 10 seconds of glory...hehehe

What's disturbing to me is that some people in the M3 camp are no different than the Impala SS camp. Those guys were listing embroidered floor mats and synthetic oil as "mods" on their mod lists. Some M3 guys seem to think that a lip spoiler, an ACS wing, HRE's and some tints make their car "extremely modified" then choose to attack those who have truly built more extreme examples.

Guys: I built this car to make it different from 99.9999% of all the M3's you see at the meets. On most M3's, you can count the number of mods on one hand and they're nearly indistinguishable from the M3 parked next to them. If that's your cup of tea, great, don't buy this car. Any guido with a credit card can build one of those cars in 10 minutes and it's not to my tastes...yet you don't see me bashing them in their FS threads.

Forgive me, but if some people choose to throw ridiculous judgements without knowing what goes into building a car this extreme, it is incumbent upon me to challenge these "experts." While this car may be overdone to some, as history suggests, there are people who can appreciate the work and creativity that goes into cars like these widebody M3's.

although i haven't obtained as many features as you, i know what it takes to build show cars.. I've had my m3 featured in 2 mags thus far but really cause it was a hobby i wanted to do (got out of show car building cause everybody got into it..) But on this car i really didn't go nuts with it since its a car getting ready to be supercharged for 550HP.. i jsut wanted it to be really usebale and not a delicate car for the street... just want it to be a really fast car with a sound system that is clean, loud and hidden.. some has seen it some haven't.. i'd be interested in talking with you cause i am sure we know the same poeple who are our sponsors.. Probably even some celebs.. know any of the boys from West Coast Customs ? We probably have mutual friends..

I do consider myself an expert in building cars, since every car or truck i've touched gets shot for mags, even when doing it for something to play with.. But you do have me beat for sure.. i do this more on the side as a hobby than a career now.. i bet if i could dedicate my entire time and resources, there could be some good competition on the street for you, but..... i just don't have the time to go all out like you have.. Very impressive in respect to your effort levels and i am sure you realize that its realyl about knowing the right poeple in this world.. Unfortantly it really is and unless you knwo some of the right people, then comes no chance to try your services out, no chance to build a reputation etc etc etc..

I do have to agree the indash is a little corney.. I put a 7" screen in a expedition in 1999 and poeple thought it was the coolest thing.. to see a top mounted monitor seems a little uncreative..

In regards to the digital display. i would have molded it into place over the stock display or modify it to have a more custom F1 look.. Since you do have SMG it would have been ideal. The future buyer probably woudl have preferred it this way if you ask me..

Not to be harsh man, but your car seems to be more bolt on then customly built..(i wrote this before i read all the replies) I mean other than the body kit (bolt on) and the cage, nothing really seems really custom.. I didn't see pics of the trunk so i could be wrong.. Have you seen the Fox Marketing M3 ? That car is probably the best custom show m3 around with the exception of the chrome m3 that just came to life..

Either way, if you're interested, i'd like to talk to you off line so that we can discuss my ideas with the 2007 m3.. Yes i have 2 on order so it should be a fun project.. Heck we might even help each other out..

Shoot me a pm if you're interested..

Joe AKA jajja.. The guy that pretty much calls it as he sees it. Most know who i am in the old Mpilot vs. Jajja days.. Too bad in the end i was right in some ways about the comet that came and went..

You know what bugs me? That everyone is harrassing this guy about his car and he is still being polite to every single one of you. Sure there are parts of the car some of you do not like, but like he said he has his own opinions on other people's cars but chooses to keep his opinions to himself and respect all of you. I stand on the opposite spectrum as Craig as I love to race cars and set my cars up for the track and simply for that reason. Craig has gotten a lot of exposure and has got the chances to enjoy the car scene more than most people can through his tuning and setting up of show cars. That in it self is respectable. I am sure that every one of you on this thread went and saw The Fast and the Furious and I am sure that every one of you saw the second one. Craig added to your entertainment with his cars. If you do not like his car then do not buy it. I can't afford it and if I had the money I would be buying a GT3 Cup Car but again that is the difference between two people. His car is an awesome example of a show car and not many people can deny that. As for the thing in front of the guages that is a Data Acquistion System(i believe he said from Motec) which you can find in tons of race cars so it is purposeful. Anyways good luck with the sale Craig and I am sure someone will come along and purchase it. Do not let the E-thugs get to you.

Eurobeast thinks the "uber M3" is rice, just expensive rice. The blue cardboard box on the dash really shows the amount of style in this vechile.

On the outside, Eurobeast thinks good things are: Color, Wheels, original bmw shapes where they are present. Bodykit is :confused and decals and bumpers :(

Dont despair tho Craig, this community absolutely hates bling and is heavily leaning towards performance, autoX, track and oem stuff. Decals are not hawt here.

And it is really sad when someone speaks of himself in 3rd person. :rolleyes

all that $ and not even a turbo or anything?

So, what's a 'really limited budget'?



The chrome terminator skull should be on a bondo'd El Camino. *ZING* But that sort of detail will grab attention. As you said, show car, and not built to everyone's tastes.

Sorry you don't like the lowly 323s.

That car was built for about $11K total. Wheels alone were $6K.

although i haven't obtained as many features as you, i know what it takes to build show cars.. I've had my m3 featured in 2 mags thus far but really cause it was a hobby i wanted to do (got out of show car building cause everybody got into it..) But on this car i really didn't go nuts with it since its a car getting ready to be supercharged for 550HP.. i jsut wanted it to be really usebale and not a delicate car for the street... just want it to be a really fast car with a sound system that is clean, loud and hidden.. some has seen it some haven't.. i'd be interested in talking with you cause i am sure we know the same poeple who are our sponsors.. Probably even some celebs.. know any of the boys from West Coast Customs ? We probably have mutual friends.. I do know several people at WCC. I certainly hope you're not comparing me to them, because candidly, everything they touch is just not my taste. Do you see similarities between my M3 and their work? If so, I'd be disappointed. I watch Pimp my Ride and the cars, to me, are not my taste. However, it sounds like you too are a serious show car builder, but when you say "I don't want it to be too delicate for street use', doesn't that seem like a huge compromise to build a car that will now skimp on mods simply because you don't have another car to drive? This is a tough one, right? I see a lot of cars at shows that are daily drivers. They tend to be less modded (and clean) but they rarely stand out among the car parked right next to them. For many, that's ok though...just not me.

I do consider myself an expert in building cars, since every car or truck i've touched gets shot for mags, even when doing it for something to play with.. But you do have me beat for sure.. i do this more on the side as a hobby than a career now.. i bet if i could dedicate my entire time and resources, there could be some good competition on the street for you, but..... i just don't have the time to go all out like you have.. Very impressive in respect to your effort levels and i am sure you realize that its realyl about knowing the right poeple in this world.. Unfortantly it really is and unless you knwo some of the right people, then comes no chance to try your services out, no chance to build a reputation etc etc etc.
Good points, but if I may, I hear this all the time...'I COULD build a car like yours, but I don't have the time, the money, or the contacts,' well then, why aren't there are more cars like this on the street? I know full well that anyone can build anything with the right amount of money and time. The difference here is that people like us actually DO build the cars. With all due respect, it is the extreme nature of the cars and the commitment it takes to build them that sets these cars apart. We're not any better than anyone else, just more committed to the project.

I do have to agree the indash is a little corney.. I put a 7" screen in a expedition in 1999 and poeple thought it was the coolest thing.. to see a top mounted monitor seems a little uncreative.. Totally justified remark. The final goal was to have the entire dash molded/blended, but we haven't got that far. It can be removed or the new owner can finish what we started.

In regards to the digital display. i would have molded it into place over the stock display or modify it to have a more custom F1 look.. Since you do have SMG it would have been ideal. The future buyer probably woudl have preferred it this way if you ask me.. As I said in an earlier thread, I wanted this to be removable, as it is NOT going with the car. This piece alone is $5k. Yoo have a good eye and that indeed would be the right way to complete such an install....totally agree.

Not to be harsh man, but your car seems to be more bolt on then customly built..(i wrote this before i read all the replies) I mean other than the body kit (bolt on) and the cage, nothing really seems really custom.. I didn't see pics of the trunk so i could be wrong
Yes, new interior and trunk pictures are needed to show off the car's best attributes and BTW: if you saw how the kit was attached to the car and how the cage was built, you'd see that very little of the car is bolt on. Most of my carbon fiber stuff was custom made.The car has been in the stereo shop getting more mods for 3 weeks. The pictures will be worth the wait.

Have you seen the Fox Marketing M3 ? That car is probably the best custom show m3 around with the exception of the chrome m3 that just came to life.. Fox's M3....hmmm...have you seen it in person? Thomas is nice, nice guy, so I say this as softly as I can. His kit was literally tacked onto the car, then only the kit pieces were painted. If you see the car in person, you can see sheet metal screws in the front wheel well. The paint on all of the pieces doesn't match the stock paint. it probably cost $3K to paint the kit (actually, he bought the car like that, so its' not his fault) and in contrast, my complete repaint and kit mounting was closer to $15K. The chrome M3 required an investment easily double even mine. But the red car's paint is way, way off...trust me. That guy has much smaller wheels with improper offsets (IForged wheels are less than half of the cost of HRE's, as you know) and the red car has half the engine customization, but to his credit, has a great stereo install. Pictures of the car don't tell the whole story. Not to be too critical, but you need to see both cars in person to see the differences. The level of investment on that car is a fraction of what it is on mine, the chrome one or the new blue one from EuroProjetktz.

Either way, if you're interested, i'd like to talk to you off line so that we can discuss my ideas with the 2007 m3.. Yes i have 2 on order so it should be a fun project.. Heck we might even help each other out.. Feel free in PM ing me. However, I should tell you that I have little interest in building an M3 with a bolt on front lip, a tiny little German wing and slapping on some 19's and calling it a "show car." To me, show cars are purpose built and are not daily drivers, therefore, "extreme" is the name of the game.IMHO. If extreme interests you, it'd be fun to work with you...I'm sure we could learn a lot from each other. You sound very grounded and very committed to quality. I admire that.

Shoot me a pm if you're interested..

Joe AKA jajja.. The guy that pretty much calls it as he sees it. Most know who i am in the old Mpilot vs. Jajja days.. Too bad in the end i was right in some ways about the comet that came and went..

To the fellow who suggested that the M3 should be relegated for track duty, I can appreciate that thought....but again, if you read my threads, you'll see that I got plenty of track time with my 996TT and will again with my Supra TT. This M3 is my show car.

Snarcher: Not sure where you've been my friend, but no one makes a turbo kit for an M3. All of the supercharger kits are as of this writing, unproven. I refuse to be the guinea pig. Perhaps you'd like to buy this one and finish it off? Hehehe. Actually, no blower is on the car because with the rod bearing recall, I could not put one on until the TSB was addressed. Now that its' handled, it would be a good time to do this.

Bad Bimr: I honestly appreciate your critiquing. I can appreciate that the car is not to everyone's taste. If I may make one comment as politely as possible: you, like others, state that you can build anything with an unlimited budget. But as most people realize, they don't have an unlimited budget, therefore, they can't build such a car, which is probably why there's only 3 or 4 cars like this in North America, yet there are 10,000 M3's with a carbon front lip with those little metal straps and 19 inch IForged/BBS wheels.

Isn't that kind of like saying "I could nail Angelina Jolie if I were 50 lbs lighter, more buff and a billionaire?"

(BTW: There's nothing wrong with those cars, they're just too subtle for me, just like my car is to extreme for some. If your one of those who likes a "clean, simple, subtle" M3, this car is not for you. If you like yours more extreme, rife with audio and magazine cover material, perhaps this car is more your taste.)


[b]Guys/Gals: I can appreciate all your comments and I think I've been more than polite to some very e-thuggish posts. This is a For Sale thread. If you'd like to critique the car, perhaps PM ing is more appropriate. I find it hard to respond in a manner that states my case without coming off as arrogant or egotistical, so if any of my retorts seem harsh, please understand that this is not my intention.

As for my post in the 3rd party, it was written that way as a release from my company, MovieCarZ, and was done so for legal reasons (sets up MovieCarZ as the seller, not Craig Lieberman, therefore, a buying contract is between a company and another party). I agree that it reads weird...like an old Seinfeld episode.

You know what bugs me? That everyone is harassing this guy.......

I believe (at least for me) the only reason that people are harassing the seller is because he thinks we are all a bunch of brainless F&F fans. Did you read his post?

Let me break it down for you:



Well folks, the time may have come to part with this beast, as we are close to finishing off print magazine features and we have undertaken another project. Please view the below specs and write up on this car. Pics will be added in coming hours/days.

Here’s your chance to own 1 of the most prestigious BMW M3's ever built.

What makes it prestigious? Is it more prestigious then the factory built CSL M3's? NO


Known as the “UBER M3” and built by award winning project vehicle designer Craig Lieberman, this car is a compilation of custom and exotic performance and styling parts from around the globe.

So what? My M3 is known as the "Bad Bimr" even the cops refer to it as that. It was built by myself and my body man. I also got parts from around the world. I have the foreign receipts too. Big Fan Deal.


Many may remember Lieberman for his world-famous orange Toyota Supra of “The Fast and The Furious” or for his Nissan Maxima or silver Skyline, also used in the movies. His Supra fetched bids of over $120,000 on E-Bay. Keep in mint that was after the car already earned its’ owner appearance fees totaling more than $100,000. His Skyline sold for nearly $200K.

Can't say I remember Craig. Wait the writer is Craig? Why are you writing like this? Why not write "Many may remember ME"? I guess that is a selling gimmick or you had someone write this for you, maybe the same guy that built the car. $$$ is power you know.


Magazines such as MaxPower, ADDX, OpGezet, Banzai, Redline, HCI, TuningWerks, Performance BMW LS Speed and Style are preparing to run features. A deal was signed with the toy company Real Wheelz who is making a 1/18th scale model of the car.

This M3 has already appeared in a movie “Cheaper by the Dozen” and has been written into the script of “Fast and Furious 3” (the scriptwriter, Chris Morgan, is a friend.)

Yea, I have been a feature (cover) of a mag too. The only one I tried also. Most of the mags you posted will be history in a few years. Big deal. Get on the cover of Hot Rod, Car Craft, GrassRoots Motorsports, etc..


Although a handful of people are attempting to replicate this car, few have equaled this car's level of perfection. If you think all widebody cars are built the same way, crawl underneath them. The paint, body kit and body work cost $25,000 alone.

It is a run of the mills Flossman wide body kit. $25K, sure yea whatever you say.


If you wanted to be unique, make you OWN design wide body and hell while at it make it out of CF.

Who are these people trying to replicate this monstrosity?


The front grilles, side gills and rear underbody diffuser are 100% carbon fiber, NOT overlays. Factory bi-xenon lights have been upgraded;Angel Eyes were installed directly by the manufacturer. Even the foglights were upgraded to HID’s. Over $2500 in lighting alone in this car.

Man, that is impressive. Bi-xenons with angle eyes. I never heard of that before. Get over it. I know people that have the same thing you have. Come to think about it I have it but not from the factory.


Exterior
2002 BMW M3 (SMG II)
Flossman GTR-style wide body kit
PPG Monterey candy blue paint
Umnitza Angel Eyes conversion kit for Bi-Xenon lights
Umnitza 6000K Xenon bulb upgrade
Umnitza 6000K HID Foglights
Stealth Auto euro bulbs
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber Roundel replacements, front/rear
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber front grilles (not overlays)
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber side kidney gills (not overlays)
CA AutoTech UK Carbon Fiber rear bumper under-body diffuser
CF Prototype carbon fiber engine accessory covers, HID ballast box cover, fuse box cover

Suspension/Brakes
KW Ver 3 coil overs, 28 way adjustable
Stop Tech 14” front with 4 piston calipers cross-drilled rotors
Stop Tech 14” rear with 4 piston calipers cross-drilled rotors
Braided Stainless lines
Benfer Performance Carbon Fiber strut tower bar
Hotchkis Tuning Sway Bars
SPC Caster/Camber plates (front)
SPC rear lower control arms

Tires/Wheels
HRE 540R 20 x 11 with 5 inch rear lip, gunmetal centers (rear)
HRE 540R 20 x 9.5 with 3 inch front lip, gunmetal centers, (front)
Continental 305/25/20
Continental 255/30/20


Just REGULAR parts ANYONE can buy and put on their car.


If you’re wondering why this car has a more aggressive look than other widebody cars, it’s because 20 inch wheels were built to spec with secret offsets. Wheels alone retail for $9200, another $2000 for tires.

This is either the funniest or most stupid thing I have ever read, "secret offsets"? What is so "secret" about them? Any person that passed 4th grade math could calculate the offset.


Car has KW Suspension’s Version 3 variant coilover (28 way adjustable), 14 inch brakes, sway bars are from Hotchkis, caster camber plates and rear control arms from SPC. Why a front and rear brake swap? Because no detail was overlooked and no expense was spared in building this car. Tires, wheels, brakes and suspension would take $25,000 to replicate.

Again off the shelf performance parts that many other M3 owners have. Am I missing something yet?


Performance
Gruppe M carbon fiber intake with K&N Filter
Powerchip ECU Upgrade
MagnaFlow full 2.5” dual cat-back exhaust system
Nitrous Express nitrous system (75hp) with dual purge kit
Sun Auto Voltage Stabilizer kit
Sun Auto HyperGround kit

Interior
Sparco Milano racing seats
M3 embroidered floor mats
Blue carbon fiber trim on armrests, dash trim by AutoDynamicsWest.com
AC Schnitzer Carbon Fiber brake, gas, dead pedal kit
Kenwood KVT-915DVD AM/FM/CD/TV/DVD/MP3 7”inch motorized touch screen
Kenwood KNA-4100 DVD-based Navigation
Kenwood KTC-H2A1 Sirius Tuner
Kenwood KTC-V500N TV Tuner
Kenwood KHD-CX910 Music Keg
Kenwood KFC-Xr61p Separates (2 sets)
Kenwood KAC-X621 Amplifiers (3 units)
Kenwood KAC-X811D Amplifiers (2 units)
Kenwood KFC-XW1300DVC 12 inch woofers (3)
Kenwood KSC-700CCS Center Channel Speaker
Two Xenarc 7 inch TV screens in quarter windows
One Xenarc 7 inch touch screen w/laptop interface in pod on top of dash
One 10 inch Xenarc TV screen hung from rear roll bar
TeleMaDX PC-based control software for touch screen interfaces
Passport SR7 Radar/Laser detector/shifter, built in and hidden
BelTronics Performance meter with PC-based interface
Dell Latitude Laptop/PC 1.8 GHz with CD-R/DVD and 14 inch screen
Optima Gell Cell Battery
Sparco Harnesses
Sparco Milano Seats
Roll Cage: (PSR) Temecula, Calif.
Custom installation; by Audio Toyz


More parts ANYONE can buy and install. Why is this car "prestigious" again?


Like every other component on this car, the interior is an exercise in extreme engineering and creativity. A blue carbon fiber process was developed especially for the interior of this car; much of the black factory plastic has been bathed in it. Carbon fiber AC Schnitzer pedals lay at the driver’s feet.

Sparco red suede racing seats and harnesses wrap the driver and passenger in comfort. A custom pod on top of the dash houses a touch screen TV that interfaces with the laptop, which is mounted atop an owner-designed fully show-chromed roll cage. The bar that supports the laptop is easily removed with 2 polished allen head crews in seconds.

The roll bar also holds 2 additional TV's facing out each of the side 1/4 windows and also holds a swing down monitor near the rear window of the car. Additional viewing screens are in the trunk. There’s also a camcorder mount on the roll cage.

There’s $20,000 in audio/video equipment alone, before installation.

The car features 2 full navigation systems, 1 in the Kenwood head unit, 1 in the laptop. The laptop contains performance-measuring software which gathers data from a windshield mounted sensor. Another great feature is the Kenwood Music Keg. Basically a hard drive for the car, this device holds some 2500 songs and makes CD changers obsolete.

Red LED’s are placed throughout the sound system, including in the door speakers and in the trunk. At night, the car is aglow with tastefully executed lighting. LED’s were chosen over cheesy cheap neon tubes, another testament to the car’s overall build quality.

The interior is so UGLY that I can only say you got royally screw and without the Vaseline.


PRICE
Used examples of a 2002 M3 are selling for about $45,000 in stock or near stock condition. New M3’s sell for around $62,000 if you opt for HID’s, moonroof, Navigation and premium wheels.

With $80,000 in parts alone to build this car; factor in the labor, you can see that more than $120K was invested to build this car, not including the price of the car.

Simply put, the stature, the level of modification and the attention to detail is what makes this vehicle unique. Its’ potential placement in Fast and Furious 3, while not confirmed, could provide a huge windfall for the new owner.

You may be thinking, ‘I’ll just go buy a cheaper BMW and build something similar for less money.’ You need to know going in that when you factor in the cost of a complete color change, then try to replicate my audio and custom parts, the total cost of your 323 project car will still come out over $65,000 and it’ll take you a year or more to build such a car, not to mention that you’ll still be 100+hp short of this M3. If you can’t see a difference between this car and a cheaper 323 as a project starting point, this car isn’t for you.

:nono :nono :nono

Who is to say we would start with a 323. What you said makes you such a _____ (fill in the blank).

Also, if someone did try to a car, at least they could do it and say they did it. They could choose the color, body and components they wanted.


With these factors in mind, the car is offered at a very reasonable $95,000, which includes covered Motor Coach door to door shipping anywhere in the contiguous USA. You will not find a better constructed show/street car anywhere. You could drive this car everyday if so desired.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Like I said before, I will take a load in the mouth if you get that price.


While willing to consider all reasonable cash offers, we are not in a position to take trades (ex. Porsche 996TT/Ferrari), nor can we accept payments.

I offer you $5000. Wait, $4999.87 cause that's how WalMart products are priced.


There is something else you should consider. When driving a car like this, you cannot be prepared for the attention you’ll receive. Having owned a Diablo, I can tell you that this car gets a great deal more attention, especially by women, who seem to love M3’s. If you like this kind of attention, this car is for you. If not, buy something else.

You want attention, hell just go to Macco and paint your car Hot Pink you will get a boat load of attention.


TERMS:
Upon acceptance of your offer, buyer is to PayPal a $1000 non-refundable deposit. which buys you time, 10 days, in which to complete the transaction. If the balance of the monies are not received by then, we keep your deposit and move on to the next buyer in line.

The car can be made available for inspection at my place of business. You or your proxy would be welcome to inspect the car during normal business hours. Test drive offered only once deposit is received and only with me in the vehicle. If full price is not achieved, offer to ship the car at my cost is rescinded.

We are in no hurry to sell this vehicle and will spend as much time as needed to find the right buyer for this vehicle.

I am glad you are in no hurry. As you will wait for a long long time for a moron to surface that will buy that monstrosity.


Car will not be parted out, nor will pieces be sold individually. Such inquiries will not receive replies. Tire kickers who want to know “where we got XYZ part” will likewise not receive replies.

In other word you are a complete ________ (fill in the blank) and you will not help someone locate a part they liked on the car but don't have $95,000 to buy the car.


Car is sold “AS IS” with no warranties, express or implied. You are welcome to have the car checked by a mechanic at your expense, but again, the ultimate responsibility for checking out the car falls upon the buyer.

Email me at liebermc1@cox.net for more info/pictures or go to this thread

When you make a better M3 maybe I will email you.

Bad Bimr: I honestly appreciate your critiquing. I can appreciate that the car is not to everyone's taste. If I may make one comment as politely as possible: you, like others, state that you can build anything with an unlimited budget. But as most people realize, they don't have an unlimited budget, therefore, they can't build such a car, which is probably why there's only 3 or 4 cars like this in North America, yet there are 10,000 M3's with a carbon front lip with those little metal straps and 19 inch IForged/BBS wheels.

Craig, give me budget you had for that car and I will prove you wrong or I will double the budget.


Isn't that kind of like saying "I could nail Angelina Jolie if I were 50 lbs lighter, more buff and a billionaire?"

I am not a "billionaire" but I am a little "buff".

Who is to say I have not nailed Angie (as she like to be called)?


(BTW: There's nothing wrong with those cars, they're just too subtle for me, just like my car is to extreme for some. If your one of those who likes a "clean, simple, subtle" M3, this car is not for you. If you like yours more extreme, rife with audio and magazine cover material, perhaps this car is more your taste.)

No there is nothing wrong with them because that is all the owners could offord or were willing to do to the car.

Well, Bill, since you show little respect in your post, this is my response, let me respond thusly.


What makes it prestigious? Is it more prestigious then the factory built CSL M3's? NO
Perhaps the fact that there a total of 4 cars like this in the world. How many CSL's are there running around? Tons more, but none in the US. Or maybe its' the fact that this car has been shot for 7 magazines with another half dozen lined up. Or perhaps the fact that GMP/aka Real Wheelz ( a company that makes high quality 1/8th scale replicas) selected only 4 cars to replicate in 2004...this was one of them.

So what? My M3 is known as the "Bad Bimr" even the cops refer to it as that. It was built by myself and my body man. I also got parts from around the world. I have the foreign receipts too. Big Fan Deal.
How proud you must be to have the cops know you so intimately. You have me beat there. You've seen my car, why not post pics of your magazine cover car? If mine is tame, lacks unique attributes and prestige, I cannot wait to behold your masterpiece. I'm surprised I've never heard about it or seen it.

Can't say I remember Craig. Wait the writer is Craig? Why are you writing like this? Why not write "Many may remember ME"? I guess that is a selling gimmick or you had someone write this for you, maybe the same guy that built the car. $$$ is power you know. I explained this above. Its all about legal contracts. Ask one of the cops you know so well.

Yea, I have been a feature (cover) of a mag too. The only one I tried also. Most of the mags you posted will be history in a few years. Big deal. Get on the cover of Hot Rod, Car Craft, GrassRoots Motorsports, etc..

In Hot Rod with a BMW? Are you stoned? FYI: When I DID own muscle cars, they were in fact on many covers and in mags. My first Supra and Skyline collectively scored more than 20 magazine covers and 50 features worldwide. Yeah, MaxPower will be gone in a few years. Circulation is 900,000, GM's circ is 50,000. Good comparison. Thanks for sharing your analysis of media value but candidly, if you don't understand media value, CPM and the concept of the value of global exposure, you really shouldn't comment. The cars I build get exposure. Controversial as they may be, sponsors know that they are aspirational vehicles and hence deliver impressions.

It is a run of the mills Flossman wide body kit. $25K, sure yea whatever you say.

Do you mean "run of the mill?" Yup. Got me there. Its one of 5 in North America. Very run of the mill. Sort of like spinners on a Hummer. Hardly ever see that, right?

If you wanted to be unique, make you OWN design wide body and hell while at it make it out of CF. Why don't you do that to your H2? Oh wait, Gucci doesn't make body kits.

Who are these people trying to replicate this monstrosity?

Man, that is impressive. Bi-xenons with angle eyes. I never heard of that before. Get over it. I know people that have the same thing you have. Come to think about it I have it but not from the factory.

Just REGULAR parts ANYONE can buy and put on their car.
The thing is...they don't. Refer to the Angelina Jolie remark earlier. I dismiss your "anyone could" remarks without the qualifier

This is either the funniest or most stupid thing I have ever read, "secret offsets"? What is so "secret" about them? Any person that passed 4th grade math could calculate the offset. Well, apparently they're pretty hard to get...every widebody guy in the country has emailed me to get them. Those who guessed guessed wrong. There's a yellow one that comes to mind. Even an untrained eye can see that several widebody 3 series (not M's) running around are doing so with bad offsets. Apparently, quite a few people didn't pass the 4th grade.

Again off the shelf performance parts that many other M3 owners have. Am I missing something yet? That's all there is. You'd be happier if I grafted a Chinook helicopter engine into the engine bay? Perhaps hand layed Gucci fabric on the roof?

More parts ANYONE can buy and install. Why is this car "prestigious" again? Well, then, why are there only 4 cars like this in the world? Where's yours again?

The interior is so UGLY that I can only say you got royally screw and without the Vaseline. Granted, there's no Louis Vuitton or Gucci fabric. I cry myself to sleep knowing that some pimp in an H2 bought it all up from WCC.

:nono :nono :nono

Who is to say we would start with a 323. What you said makes you such a _____ (fill in the blank).
Never said anyone would. What I said was that you could not compare a modded M3 to a modded 323. HP difference aside, the base cars are not of the same value, hence the resale prices are differents. Morons who want to twist this into me somehow attacking a 323 need to pull their head out of their a$$.

Also, if someone did try to a car, at least they could do it and say they did it. They could choose the color, body and components they wanted.
People talk a good game...yet at car shows, I see 20 identical BMW's. Lip spoiler, wing, 19's and tints. At least its not as bad as the Dub shows. I mean, how many H2's can you look at with Alligator skinned 26's?

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Like I said before, I will take a load in the mouth if you get that price.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm a heterosexual. Not that there's anything wrong with that (Seinfeld quote).

I offer you $5000. Wait, $4999.87 cause that's how WalMart products are priced. Didn't know they sold H2's at WalMart. Bet you got a smokin' deal.

You want attention, hell just go to Macco and paint your car Hot Pink you will get a boat load of attention. Pink looks better on a Hummer. Try it.

I am glad you are in no hurry. As you will wait for a long long time for a moron to surface that will buy that monstrosity.

In other word you are a complete ________ (fill in the blank) and you will not help someone locate a part they liked on the car but don't have $95,000 to buy the car. Is this English?

When you make a better M3 maybe I will email you.

Thank you for your insightful critique and e-thug post. We are all spiritually enriched by your impressive resume of show cars, awards and magazine feature. These accomplishments certainly have demonstrated your expertise in the world of car show judging, car modifying and used car appraisals.

I can't believe how many a-holes there are on here! The dude is simply trying to sell his car, and he's been very civil about the not-so-nice responses.

And to those who have the "he posted in a public forum, so he should expect responses" mentality, responding is one thing, but being an a-hole is all on you!

So you like the car, or maybe you don't. Why be a dick to the seller?

You know what bugs me? That everyone is harrassing this guy about his car and he is still being polite to every single one of you. Sure there are parts of the car some of you do not like, but like he said he has his own opinions on other people's cars but chooses to keep his opinions to himself and respect all of you. I stand on the opposite spectrum as Craig as I love to race cars and set my cars up for the track and simply for that reason. Craig has gotten a lot of exposure and has got the chances to enjoy the car scene more than most people can through his tuning and setting up of show cars. That in it self is respectable. I am sure that every one of you on this thread went and saw The Fast and the Furious and I am sure that every one of you saw the second one. Craig added to your entertainment with his cars. If you do not like his car then do not buy it. I can't afford it and if I had the money I would be buying a GT3 Cup Car but again that is the difference between two people. His car is an awesome example of a show car and not many people can deny that. As for the thing in front of the guages that is a Data Acquistion System(i believe he said from Motec) which you can find in tons of race cars so it is purposeful. Anyways good luck with the sale Craig and I am sure someone will come along and purchase it. Do not let the E-thugs get to you.

Haven't seen ya here in a while, Mo... How ya been...

I agree with you 100% except you didn't mention that you once also did have a show car... ;) hah, c'mon admit it, she was also used for auto-x, but also a hell of a show car...

craig...you've done it now man...You've locked horns with "Bad Bimr" Bill... :rolleyes bad taste maybe...bout it!

Bill, ease up on the guy... Your reputation as a ballbreaker is well known...funny thing is...here you are bashing craig's creation...yet we've all seen your "Dakar Orange Pearl" M3....with the famous non-functional hood scoop.... :thumbdown

I admit, craig has been pretty gracious in the "line of fire" here... I still contend this car needs a different target group of perspective buyers... My apologies for earlier comments craig, I respect what you've created, in spite of it not being "my taste".

Dwayne: That item "blocking" the real gauges is a replacement for the real gauges. It is a MOtec ADL and it monitors many functions. It is Formula 1 technology and the LCD display is a $5000 item alone. Perhaps you need to take a look at some real race cars to appreciate its' capabilities, I can assure you that it is far superior to any car's stock dash. Its' not included with the sale anyway, so it would not be an issue. The laptop and the bar supporting it are removable in seconds with 2 screws.

What's disturbing to me is that some people in the M3 camp are no different than the Impala SS camp. Those guys were listing embroidered floor mats and synthetic oil as "mods" on their mod lists. Some M3 guys seem to think that a lip spoiler, an ACS wing, HRE's and some tints make their car "extremely modified" then choose to attack those who have truly built more extreme examples.

Guys: I built this car to make it different from 99.9999% of all the M3's you see at the meets. On most M3's, you can count the number of mods on one hand and they're nearly indistinguishable from the M3 parked next to them. If that's your cup of tea, great, don't buy this car. Any guido with a credit card can build one of those cars in 10 minutes and it's not to my tastes...yet you don't see me bashing them in their FS threads.




if it's not included, then why is the price so high? what ISSSS included?

as for the mod comment, just because you started out as a guido with a credit card doesnt mean youre the car modding god. best believe, if i were to bother putting my all into designing cars, i'd blow your designs away.... thats not my priorty though. you fail to realize that not everybody modding bmw's are guidos with credit cards, so when you post arrogant 3rd person sounding posts, expect people to flame.... especially me. i've been able to be distinguishable from the M3 parked next to me at meets before, it doesnt take much. everybody has their own flavor of car mods and nobody likes to do other peoples flavors... i dont know how they do it in the japanese car world, but BMW tuning is VERY individualized.

i agree, your car is definatly 99.999999% different, but what you see isnt bashing,... its criticism. why arent you taking it as constructive criticism? it could help you with whatever your next car is... because as you said, you are building cars for the show scene... so thus you're going to have to cater to the what the public eye wants to see.

i'm curious, is moviecarz.com yours? if so, good move. that's an excellent way to market your designs... but is there any way to purchase the car through them? that would be a better business move also.

to clear up any confusion, the car is very nice, i never thought it was puke, in reality, the only things i find interesting are the widebody and wheels because those two things seem to be what makes it have its main form of individualism. the paint is nice, but i wouldve left it on the lambo. suggestion: LeMans blue wouldve been more suiting for the M3. everything else is just blah i guess.... all typical stuff. my opinions on it are very different but then again, that's why they're my opinion.. i would have done many things different.

another suggestion, if you expect to get $95,000 for this car,... get more extreme. lambo doors, clean up the interior a bit,.. give it a more radical soundsystem.... shit why not s/c it? something to really be able to say that this car is worth something.

yeah that is one thing i always wondered .. if you put all this money into this car .. why not supercharge it .. at least u didnt leave out any part of the car being modded .. only would have costed u another like 9k from aa ..or however much the rms one is

Haven't seen ya here in a while, Mo... How ya been...

I agree with you 100% except you didn't mention that you once also did have a show car... ;) hah, c'mon admit it, she was also used for auto-x, but also a hell of a show car...

Tab, how are ya buddy. I got banned from Eurotek cause some of the mods(*jesel ahem jesel*) are dicheads and will ban someone because of personal reasons but I will not get into that. Yea i did have a show car, but the show car happened to be geared more for track use and I had to sell it(which i regret) to buy the race car. Actually what was funny was the day after Hot Import Nights in Chicago I took that exact show car to Road America and gave it a good bit of exercise. But all in all, I used to do the show scene and I can appreciate that Craig's car makes an amazing show car. There is NO arguement to that!!!! Anyways Craig good luck again with the sale, and to all of you who think it is cool or nice to attack someone's For Sale thread, go get a life and leave the guy alone. You have all stated you do not want to buy the car so just leave the thread to those who have interest in the car.

if it's not included, then why is the price so high? what ISSSS included?

as for the mod comment, just because you started out as a guido with a credit card doesnt mean youre the car modding god. best believe, if i were to bother putting my all into designing cars, i'd blow your designs away.... thats not my priorty though. you fail to realize that not everybody modding bmw's are guidos with credit cards, so when you post arrogant 3rd person sounding posts, expect people to flame.... especially me. i've been able to be distinguishable from the M3 parked next to me at meets before, it doesnt take much. everybody has their own flavor of car mods and nobody likes to do other peoples flavors... i dont know how they do it in the japanese car world, but BMW tuning is VERY individualized.

i agree, your car is definatly 99.999999% different, but what you see isnt bashing,... its criticism. why arent you taking it as constructive criticism? it could help you with whatever your next car is... because as you said, you are building cars for the show scene... so thus you're going to have to cater to the what the public eye wants to see.

i'm curious, is moviecarz.com yours? if so, good move. that's an excellent way to market your designs... but is there any way to purchase the car through them? that would be a better business move also.

to clear up any confusion, the car is very nice, i never thought it was puke, in reality, the only things i find interesting are the widebody and wheels because those two things seem to be what makes it have its main form of individualism. the paint is nice, but i wouldve left it on the lambo. suggestion: LeMans blue wouldve been more suiting for the M3. everything else is just blah i guess.... all typical stuff. my opinions on it are very different but then again, that's why they're my opinion.. i would have done many things different.

another suggestion, if you expect to get $95,000 for this car,... get more extreme. lambo doors, clean up the interior a bit,.. give it a more radical soundsystem.... shit why not s/c it? something to really be able to say that this car is worth something.

So wait let me get this straight buddy...calling him a "guido with a credit card" is in your opinion "constructive criticism?" Somehow I fail to see you being constructive and instead attacking a man personally. Aren't personal attacks supposed to warrant a warning or a ban? Why do you get off offending a guy who has been nothing but polite to every one of you guys.

So wait let me get this straight buddy...calling him a "guido with a credit card" is in your opinion "constructive criticism?" Somehow I fail to see you being constructive and instead attacking a man personally. Aren't personal attacks supposed to warrant a warning or a ban? Why do you get off offending a guy who has been nothing but polite to every one of you guys.


whoa ok now dont go instigating the unnecessary. i used the same termonology he did... so dont over read into it. the constructive criticism is directed to the rest of the so called "hate" and "bashing" he's claiming to get. nobody here is hating, we're all bmw owners and all modding what we can. i already did my over-modding on my last car and im semi-over it so definatly no hate here. ive been polite myself considering how mean i CAN get. :devillook

Manny;
The last part of your post was more polite, so I'll respond. The car is not S/C because I did not want to be a guinea pig for an unproven mod. No one on any of the BMW forums has been able to solidly demonstrate that the S/C kits don't compromise reliability and with rod bearing recalls, a S/C would void the engine warranty. No thanks.

Yes, MovieCarZ is mine. My job includes designing/overseeing build ups for TV shows, motion pictures and cars like the NFSU Underground Skyline were all derived from my concepts or built with me serving as design leader. Most of my cars are built to customer specs, such as my movie cars, but my private cars are another matter.

Respectfully, I totally disagree with your comments on constructive criticism. There's been only small amounts of that. Most people (you included) make claims like "if I had the money, I could blow you away"....and this isn't arrogant?

The simple truth is that I make my living designing/building cars..Over the past several years, people have paid me to build/design cars....I'm very lucky.

Let me elaborate. Sponsors stay with me year after year. Magazine editors have paid me the honor of featuring my works year after year. I've judged more than 100 cars shows in 12 states and been paid to do it. I ran Meguiar's Youth Culture car show program for awhile. I've owned/built 42 cars since 1980. 12 of them have received magazine ink. I've built another half dozen for companies or individuals that have paid me to do it. That's a huge honor and I thank God everyday for it.

I think these items on my resume qualify me as a fair judge of building high exposure vehicles, yet most posts and retorts I've received come from people with no more qualifications than their post count. Am I supposed to view that lack of expertise, coupled with insufficient data as to a person's credentials in posts rife with personal attacks as constructive criticism? Then toss in ridiculous posts by people who've never built a magazine car, a show winning car, or their idea of quality engineering is Pimp My Ride, you have to excuse me as I cringe. I mean, c'mon.

9 times out of 10, the person critiquing own sa $10,000 jalopy, has never had sponsors, has never built a show winning car and are simply casting aspersions behind the relative anonymity of their keyboard. Just exactly what are the credentials of these critics?

Just to make a point: Sponsors require decals....you think I wouldn't like my car devoid of decals? These same sponsors require exposure. Magazines only want extreme vehicles. See the correlation? If you want magazine exposure, you better build an extreme vehicle. If you want sponsors, you better build an extreme vehicle...then get it exposure.

Ever wonder why BMW owners find it so hard to get sponsored?

A) No history of previous magazine worthy vehicles;
B) Most are built using the same 5 mods....these same 5 mods are not sufficient to procure magazine placement as these cars can be replicated in minutes with a credit card. According to some here, building a car on a credit card is no remarkable achievment.

(To learn more about sponsorships I've posted my "How To Get Sponsored" book for FREE on my site, www.moviecarz.com)

For the people who dismiss my cars as being easily replicated or surpassed since they're all bolt on parts with a credit card, great...surely my credit limit isn't the highest on this forum. Lets' see your BMW project vehicle. Don't come back to me with your Porsche, or your Lambo (I've had those too,) let's see your show-stopping, no-holds-barred, no-credit-limit BMW....Not your buddies, not Hamman's, YOUR BMW.

Just for once I'd like to read a post that says:
"Gee Craig, sorry to see you're selling such a wild car. I have to say that is truly unique but I'm curious as to why you chose to do XX to your ZZ? IMHO, I would have liked it better if you did it differently, perhaps if you mounted it here, or painted it pink, anyway, good luck with the sale and let us know what you're working on next."

Evo's post, for example, was pretty good. M3Ryder's posts have also been in this fashion.

I think some of the other BimmerForums guys/gals need to chime in and advise these experts as to a more appropriate approach to responding to FOR SALE threads.

To those of you have offered constructive criticisms, thank you...believe it or not, your critiques mirror almost identically the few things I would like to change about this car.

Nice response Craig

To often I think people forget modifying a vehicle is a highly subjective hobby. What works for one may not work for another.

As someone who’s cars have also had lots of ink we tend to go more to the performance end of our clients needs. But that doesn’t mean there’s not times when I look at a client with that “ok you’re the boss”

Good luck with selling it and I look forward to your next project.

Meanwhile we’ll be over here Supercharging

Manny;
The last part of your post was more polite, so I'll respond. The car is not S/C because I did not want to be a guinea pig for an unproven mod. No one on any of the BMW forums has been able to solidly demonstrate that the S/C kits don't compromise reliability and with rod bearing recalls, a S/C would void the engine warranty. No thanks.

Yes, MovieCarZ is mine. My job includes designing/overseeing build ups for TV shows, motion pictures and cars like the NFSU Underground Skyline were all derived from my concepts or built with me serving as design leader. Most of my cars are built to customer specs, such as my movie cars, but my private cars are another matter.