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Boring... :orangesle

:lol

no more "nice kill" post, that were 75% of my post come from, LOL

no more "nice kill" post, that were 75% of my post come from, LOL

Exactly... they will be deleted, and repeat offenders could find themselves in Time Out... sorry guys... too many complaints... it's either that or they will turn off the post counter here in Kills...

Exactly... they will be deleted, and repeat offenders could find themselves in Time Out... sorry guys... too many complaints... it's either that or they will turn off the post counter here in Kills...


Off the record... just say «Nice kill ______ <-- [insert name here]». See? It's already longer.

Ask a question. Something like that. :D

Or just do like I do and write publishable soliloquies extolling the virtues of all vehicles involved. Goodness knows if long posts could get you multiple post counts for a single post, Id be up there with Dave. :cool

two or three martini's at lunch today tom????

Exactly... they will be deleted, and repeat offenders could find themselves in Time Out... sorry guys... too many complaints... it's either that or they will turn off the post counter here in Kills...
Is that why there's no post counter in OT?

Is that why there's no post counter in OT?

yes, people were abusing it, post whoring like crazy just to bump up their post count, etc....

Just don't blatanly post whore, and nothing will happen...

two or three martini's at lunch today tom????

:lol Ahh you funny man. It was 3. :D

Edit: Beers that is, im only 25, that would look a bit gay for some 6-2 250 lb dude to be sippin' a martini at lunch.

I dunno, I'm only 26 and I have Gin at lunch all the time!

I was mixing Tequila and Guiness last Thursday at lunch.... and will likely do more of the same tomorrow when I meet my bud for lunch again.... :D

dave.... you need to get a real job again....

dave.... you need to get a real job again....

Yeah, this whole owning your own business, working from home crap is for the birds... ;)

I don't fit in, in Corporate America anymore... I'd have to go back to music... but I'm sick of nights and weekends.... :D

punk... we've got a nazi "manager" on board that thinks its fun to "require" us to wear "business attire" whenever we're in the office.... FU! I pay your salary bitch!

My daily work attire differs depending on whether I slept in (boxers), it's a gym day (sweats), or I have to run errands (jeans).... :D

I was mixing Tequila and Guiness last Thursday at lunch.... and will likely do more of the same tomorrow when I meet my bud for lunch again.... :D

Damn Dave that's hardcore. I'm with Das, if this is what owning your own business gets you, maybe you do need to go back to the corprate thing.

Das no offense meant there, but you have to understand who your talking about here. Big football player looking dude wearing flannel, jeans and boots struts into the local cafe and orders a martini in a deep South-Georgia drawl? Nahh. Just not seeing it. Id fit in a lot better with Dave in this case (kinda scary actually). :D

Edit: Dave, love that new avatar. Fitting. :evil2

A friend made that for me recently.... :devillook

No, das and Hugo know I generally work like a dog, 80+ hrs a week most weeks, and I'm reaching a point currently where I've had more time than is normal for myself to relax a bit lately....

i don't know if we've covered this before, but did you play ball anywhere?

i don't know if we've covered this before, but did you play ball anywhere?

No i didnt, much to my father's chagrin. One of those coulda/shoulda/woulda deals. I played my first 3 years in high school, was the only freshman to ever letter on the varsity team, but elected to work full time senior year to help pay for cars and women. I had a decent shot at playing at one of the smaller schools, but it just wasnt in the stars. Sometimes I regret it, but ive had 2 good friends injured badly (permanantly in one case) playing college ball, so maybe it was all for the best. :cool

It's funny, cuz last week when I was out drinking, I was wearing one of those flannel shirt jacket things (they keep you warm) and jeans, and Timberlines.... :lol

I played Division 1-AA on astro-turf... Free Safety... you didn't miss much... took my knees a decade to recover, racked up my shoulder pretty good, and added to my concussion total...

:offtopic

:offtopic


Yep. But it keeps at the top of the forum for a while for all to see, and all you really need to see is the first post to link to the updated thread parked at the top of the forum...

We'll be bumping this thread for a week or so... I venture to guess we'll go off topic with it, as it's about etiquette here, and how to treat one another, and so on....

;)

We left this one open, in case people had questions....

mmmmm, astroturf.

I had more injuries on grass than turf by far....turf is SO fast.... I love it!

mmmmm, astroturf.

I had more injuries on grass than turf by far....turf is SO fast.... I love it!
You learn to hate it when you practice on it everyday... but yes, it's fast... :D

Back in the day when I was 218 lbs, and ran a 4.5/40...

I dunno, I'm only 26 and I have Gin at lunch all the time!

I searched for dasMafia and «manly» - didn't find anything. Coincidence? ;)

it didn't really bother me... we were on it ~4 times a week. not EVERY day, but close. and even the tournament weekends where you'd do 6-7 matches, it never bugged me.... hm.

I searched for dasMafia and «manly» - didn't find anything. Coincidence? ;)


cough :devillook cough

I searched for dasMafia and «manly» - didn't find anything. Coincidence? ;)

Try a search on dasMafia and "pink shirts" and see what comes back, Hugo... :devillook

and I ran a 4.5/4.6 (consistent 4.6, on occasion got the dig right at hit 4.5) but I was ~150 and 5-8!

it didn't really bother me... we were on it ~4 times a week. not EVERY day, but close. and even the tournament weekends where you'd do 6-7 matches, it never bugged me.... hm.

Yeah, but weren't you playing soccer? Football is a little different, as far as joint-wear, etc... plus I was on special teams, too, in addition to defense (as a starter) which I loved, but the drills were crazy-killer....

Try a search on dasMafia and "pink shirts" and see what comes back, Hugo... :devillook


this is not good........

:rofl

Try a search on dasMafia and "pink shirts" and see what comes back, Hugo... :devillook


Ouch!

Yeah, but weren't you playing soccer? Football is a little different, as far as joint-wear, etc... plus I was on special teams, too, in addition to defense (as a starter) which I loved, but the drills were crazy-killer....

yeah, different sport, but indoor soccer is played quite different from the average variety grass-field matches. (we head inside at the end of october and emerge ~march 15, similar to a football season in length).

instead of 90 minues of constant 50-60% effort with about 15% of the time spent at 90% and maybe 5% at 100%, its 60 minutes, and with the unlimited substitution rules, you typically play no more than 4-5 minutes at a stint and are at full tilt (typical rotation is 4-5 on, 2-3 off), you get smacked around a lot and the boards are..... fair play.... :D:D:D

I'm not comparing it to f-ball from a pain standpoint, but it is much more like it in that its SPRINT, rest, SPRINT, rest, SPRINT.... its like running 10 800m dashes in a night at race-pace+ its nuts.

and there is no practice time, its all competition, timeis too expensive to waste practicing for the most part, 3-4 games a week, usually at 8-10pm. great times.... I miss them.

Yeah, me either, they are just different...

Special Teams was fun, though, in a game... sprinting 80 yards to leave your feet and throw all your weight into someone already on their heels... :D

Hmmmm... the time-out-inator, now what could that be referring to?

Yeah, me either, they are just different...

Special Teams was fun, though, in a game... sprinting 80 yards to leave your feet and throw all your weight into someone already on their heels... :D



ahh yes, websters definition of "human train-wreck"

Hmmmm... the time-out-inator, now what could that be referring to?

:devillook

ahh yes, websters definition of "human train-wreck"


:buttrock

I'm heading out... talk to you later.

Have a good night, dude! :buttrock

I see you saw the RR pics... muchas gracias!

You learn to hate it when you practice on it everyday... but yes, it's fast... :D

Back in the day when I was 218 lbs, and ran a 4.5/40...

These days - that's slow for a free safety (in 1A that is)

Thats Linebacker/QB/tight end speed. (these days)

I never ran a 4.5 anything (wait - maybe to the fridge to get a beer)

so what do i know.. :lol:

Not that i even post in here, but...........

If this is a kill forum for people to get props on kills then "nice kill" is props from one member to another. IF it is that big of a problem then i say turn off the post count. Part of the kill is the reward.

We have plenty of other forums on the site to whore :D but don't take the man's props away. :)

we don't make the rules man....

Why would people post here to increase their post count anyway? Seems like a rather useless thing to do? I wish I could DECREASE my count... so it looks like I do other things than bf! :stickoutt

Boris

have you SEEN me and dave's post counts?????

have you SEEN me and dave's post counts?????

No, but now I do.... sad sad sad!! :help :help

:D

Boris

Nice kill! By the way, nice avatar, Dave! :devillook

Pics or ban!

-Eff

Off the record... just say «Nice kill ______ <-- [insert name here]». See? It's already longer.

Ask a question. Something like that. :D


Yeah, but I wouldn't wanna know WHO the hell would EVER do that :devillook

yes, people were abusing it, post whoring like crazy just to bump up their post count, etc....Hmm, interesting.

Not that i even post in here, but...........

If this is a kill forum for people to get props on kills then "nice kill" is props from one member to another. IF it is that big of a problem then i say turn off the post count. Part of the kill is the reward.

We have plenty of other forums on the site to whore :D but don't take the man's props away. :)
Giving props is great, but at least try to form a full sentence or 2 about it...

The occasional "nice kill" from someone is no big deal. But from the same person who does it 5 times day in this particular forum... and rarely makes any other comments... that's different... that's post-whoring... that's what we're talking about...

Nice

kill

!

:rolleyes... so tempted to edit your posts.... :evil2

:lol

I wish I would have played ball. During my summers I was *always* hunting, fishing, or working at a hunting/fishing camp. I remember the first time I worked as a packer. here I am, a skinny 16yr old and they throw a 200lb hindquarter from a moose on my back and I get to pack that 7 miles back to camp through brush, swamp, and whatever else. Wheee! I was never so happy to see a horse as the next week when we got them in :buttrock

:conf

What?? I know it's 9:30am, is my grammar really bad or something?

Oh... you must've been addressing some posts in the other page right? That hijack is pretty serious, I forgot about it.

Yeah they were talkin' bout the good old days of ball :cool

Alright, get back off topic immediately or else.... :devillook

:D

:lol post whoring in a thread about post whoring :D

If anyone ever asks you to define irony, tell them to see thread 3190514 at bimmerforums.com

:lol post whoring in a thread about post whoring :D

:devillook :D

Nice kill! By the way, nice avatar, Dave! :devillook


Some dude hooked me up with it... :devillook

This is too good.... Trepan, that job sounds like a lot of fun actually, I never have enough time to do all the hunting that I want....

Why would people post here to increase their post count anyway? Seems like a rather useless thing to do? I wish I could DECREASE my count... so it looks like I do other things than bf! :stickoutt

Boris
Some people do it to bump their post count to 100 so they can have an Avatar :devillook

Yeah some do that, and it's unfortunate when they get snagged for it... ;)

what you mean people actually post-whore on bf.c???? oh noes!!!!!11111

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

:eek:

:bs

Imagine that.... ;)

This is too good.... Trepan, that job sounds like a lot of fun actually, I never have enough time to do all the hunting that I want....

Me either. My only other true passion in life other than making any given car faster than God ever intended is, well, killing things. I know that sounds off, but I love hunting and firearms in general. I used to gunsmith a lot when i was younger, always worked in a gun shop of some sort, handloaded ammo and built rigs for guys to use on some serious big game hunts. I never got to go on big, cool hunts like that myself (some of those hunts costed more than my Z-28), but that a rifle and ammo i built was used, was good enough for me. Better yet, that a guy would trust me to build a rifle and ammo that he was staking a $20k hunt on, now THAT is serious trust. Great memories there, if there was any money in the gun business, Id still be there. Cars are much more lucrative. :cool

yeah, there is almost NO money in the gun business anymore... Buch Searcy is making it OK, but not because he's got a great margin.

and most of the gunsmiths SUCK! I had simmons in KC totally FUBAR my 1918 Mauser 98...... PISSED me off!!!!!! and they still wanted $250..... bastards!

yeah, there is almost NO money in the gun business anymore... Buch Searcy is making it OK, but not because he's got a great margin.

and most of the gunsmiths SUCK! I had simmons in KC totally FUBAR my 1918 Mauser 98...... PISSED me off!!!!!! and they still wanted $250..... bastards!


I didnt do so much on the restoration side of things, or work with old guns. I was more the "hand me a blank check and I'll hand you back a rifle that groups sub-MOA, drops less than a foot at 400 yards, and packs more energy there than a 243 Win. does at the muzzle" type gunsmith. I would put together the rig, handload the ammo, and sight the rifle in at a customer determined yardage. I had a 400 yd range at my disposal, and all the equipment I would ever need. Hand the customer back the rifle, 100 rnds of ammo, and the sight-in target. Good times indeed. To think i got paid to do that too. :cool

Bump for the Friday crowd

Tom.... that mauser wasn't a restoration, it was a recent (-20years?) conversion toa 35 Whelen sporter, and they totally hosed it up when they but a beulier-style safety on it and bent the bolt wrong to clear the new leupold.

in addition, I finally got it sorted out ($300 later) and it shoots sub-.25MOA..... :D:D:D and the 35 Whelen drops a bit more than a foot at 400, its a good large-game corridor out to about 300, but its sketchy after that, and for smaller game, (at least with the 250gr spitzers) it is a 200-250yd gun.... at the same time, with a .25MOA accuracy, if you do your job, the target is DOWN at about any distance.

Tom.... that mauser wasn't a restoration, it was a recent (-20years?) conversion toa 35 Whelen sporter, and they totally hosed it up when they but a beulier-style safety on it and bent the bolt wrong to clear the new leupold.

in addition, I finally got it sorted out ($300 later) and it shoots sub-.25MOA..... :D:D:D and the 35 Whelen drops a bit more than a foot at 400, its a good large-game corridor out to about 300, but its sketchy after that, and for smaller game, (at least with the 250gr spitzers) it is a 200-250yd gun.... at the same time, with a .25MOA accuracy, if you do your job, the target is DOWN at about any distance.

:conf

you're french, you wouldn't understand... to them, a rifle is only good for dropping....


FOR SALE: used french military rifle... only dropped once! :D:D:D:D:D

Holy Moly Over 12,000!!!!!

Holy Moly Over 12,000!!!!!


Closing in on 9 000. And I'm Canadian. Contrary to the french, we fought hard in WWII. Don't confuse us.

I know... its just too much fun and I hadn't tossed out anything anti-french in a long time... :D:D

I know... its just too much fun and I hadn't tossed out anything anti-french in a long time... :D:D

I know, it's ok. :stickoutt

J, the joke is, "Vintage French Military Rifle, mint condition, never fired, only dropped twice"... :D

WW1 and WW2... ;)

Tom.... that mauser wasn't a restoration, it was a recent (-20years?) conversion toa 35 Whelen sporter, and they totally hosed it up when they but a beulier-style safety on it and bent the bolt wrong to clear the new leupold.

in addition, I finally got it sorted out ($300 later) and it shoots sub-.25MOA..... :D:D:D and the 35 Whelen drops a bit more than a foot at 400, its a good large-game corridor out to about 300, but its sketchy after that, and for smaller game, (at least with the 250gr spitzers) it is a 200-250yd gun.... at the same time, with a .25MOA accuracy, if you do your job, the target is DOWN at about any distance.

You got a 35 Whelen grouping a 1/4"? :eek: Thats flat incredible. What brand of barrel might I ask, and also what who's loading your ammo and whats the load specs? Im curious. Great choice of scopes i might add, those are the best bang for the buck in the optics world. I have loaded for the 35 Whelen on occasion, one a custom-barrel Rem 700 that grouped in the 3/4" range with some Nosler Partitions, the other a slide action Remington 7600 (sickest brush rifle EVAH), it was not quite so tight. And yes, that is an excellent large-game cartridge. I popped a rather large wild hog in GA with one a few years back, fell dick-in-the-dirt dead like he got struck by lightning of the twin forked variety. Hell, almost anything based off the 30-06 case is gonna be a decent round. You should be able to do 300 yds with that thing going 3" high at 100. But if your gonna see 200+ yards (very rare despite what some might say) just get something with the word Magnum attached to the end. Im partial to the 300 WSM myself. I shot a custom wildcat 6.5mm Ultra Mag (7mm necked down) spitting 120 gr coated Barnes X bullets out at somewhat better than 4000 fps, the drop at 400 yds. was only 7-8" with a 3" high at 100 sight in. At 100 yards you could watch the bullet cut the paper before the recoil. :eek: :evil2

remington = poop. :D:D

I load the ammo, full-length re-size, 54gr 4064, 3.32 COAL and a 250gr speer spitzer (not a Grand Slam, just the low-rent spitzer).... I don't remember what the case is trimmed to, but its the same as the max COAL of a 264win IIRC (don't ask).... 2400fps out of this gun, should do an even 2600 with a 24" barrel, which is the fastest I see published in most manuals anyway. Rem. Brass (what it came with, and I'm not looking for more work, so I'm leaving it alone!)

I haven't the slightest clue whose barrel it is, but IIRC its a 1:14 twist and only 22" it is a pretty heavy contour though, which no-doubt helps. leupold VX-II 2-7x33, leupold bases and rings.

1918 oberndorf mfgr Mauser 98K.... I got the rifle with irons on it, and the original safety, and a timney, I added the beulier safety and the scope.... its was that accurate when I got it. the barrel and trigger and chamber are untouched. paid $500 for it! with about 50 rounds and 20 cases!

for longer distances I have a 700ADl in 25-06 that's my next accurizing project, the old crappy weaver 3-9x50AO is trashed, and it needs some love to really return to its proper place among small-game and varmint rifles.

back to accuracy. the Partitions I have at 2450fps, are SHITE. group at like 3MOA.... WORTHLESS! the speer is likely as good in end-state performance, and we're talking 250gr here, retention isn't a huge issue, there's a lot of mass we can afford to shed, even on a moose! and the BC's are both .446!

I also have a sub .25MOA load witha 250gr Hornady RN... I think its 51gr of 4320 at the same 2400. don't recall the COAL for the seating though....

great gun, a little heavy (barrel contour, not a trim stock), and I need to work on the ramp and the magazine floor/follower (whatever its called, its chewed up pretty bad), becaue it doesn't like to feed the last round. and it only feeds the first one well (after the one in the chamber)... my dad's 30-06 mauser (not german, ca. 1935?) feeds 4+1 like butter... so I know its just time and tweaking.

remington = poop. :D:D

I load the ammo, full-length re-size, 54gr 4064, 3.32 COAL and a 250gr speer spitzer (not a Grand Slam, just the low-rent spitzer).... I don't remember what the case is trimmed to, but its the same as the max COAL of a 264win IIRC (don't ask).... 2400fps out of this gun, should do an even 2600 with a 24" barrel, which is the fastest I see published in most manuals anyway. Rem. Brass (what it came with, and I'm not looking for more work, so I'm leaving it alone!)

I haven't the slightest clue whose barrel it is, but IIRC its a 1:14 twist and only 22" it is a pretty heavy contour though, which no-doubt helps. leupold VX-II 2-7x33, leupold bases and rings.

1918 oberndorf mfgr Mauser 98K.... I got the rifle with irons on it, and the original safety, and a timney, I added the beulier safety and the scope.... its was that accurate when I got it. the barrel and trigger and chamber are untouched. paid $500 for it! with about 50 rounds and 20 cases!

for longer distances I have a 700ADl in 25-06 that's my next accurizing project, the old crappy weaver 3-9x50AO is trashed, and it needs some love to really return to its proper place among small-game and varmint rifles.

back to accuracy. the Partitions I have at 2450fps, are SHITE. group at like 3MOA.... WORTHLESS! the speer is likely as good in end-state performance, and we're talking 250gr here, retention isn't a huge issue, there's a lot of mass we can afford to shed, even on a moose! and the BC's are both .446!

I also have a sub .25MOA load witha 250gr Hornady RN... I think its 51gr of 4320 at the same 2400. don't recall the COAL for the seating though....

great gun, a little heavy (barrel contour, not a trip stock), and I need to work on the ramp and the magazine floor/follower (whatever its called, its chewed up pretty bad), becaue it doesn't like to feed the last round. and it only feeds the first one well... my dad's 30-06 mauser (not german, ca. 1935?) feeds 4+12 like butter... so I know its just time.

Wow sounds like you just got flat lucky with that barrel. Had that happen a few times. Had a box-stock Browning A-Bolt II (ok ok i adjusted the trigger to a nice crisp 42 oz) 270 Win. with off the shelf Federal 140 gr Ballistic Tip loads (sure didnt hurt nothing with those B-tips) would group sub-.5 moa till the barrel got to hot to touch.

Just goes to show, what the magazines and "experts" say dont always hold true. That rifle "should" group in the 1.5-2.0" range if you were lucky. Good for you.

A little 600 grit wet/dry paper and a 1/2" wooden dowel, combined with a little elbow grease and some patience, will set that feed ramp and follower strait. Dont forget to hit the feed rails while your in there, no more scratched cases.

That COAL, did you set that to a certain distance from the rifling or just pick a spot and go. Ive seen certain picky guns make a 180 simply by adjusting the bullet in and back a few 1000ths. Not that you should change that load, you got a generic bullet with a fairly standard loading procedure (no neck turning or primer pocket reaming any crazy bencrest crap like that been there done that) in an unknown rifle grouping 1/4" Id take that to the woods and NEVER look back. That Hornady round nose load would make for an absolute hammer out to 150 yds or so. Some guns like Partitions, others not. Barnes X bullets are another hit or miss option. Ballistic Tips are my fall back bullet, if the gun dont group with those, its time to start troubleshooting the rifle or scope. Get a chrnograph and you wont have to guess, seriously its the best $200 you'll ever spend. Just a nice cheap Ohler will do it.

it gets better... the gun came with 5-10 of 5 different loads.... heh.... and all the specs, including the COAL! I just shot till I found those two and quit.... I didn't even have to work for it, its great! :D:D:D

I do tend to at least clean-up the primer pocket just because it can't hurt, but even then its a pretty minor task, and I spend a few seconds on each.

I use my grandfather's old Lyman press and Redding scale... its GOOD old-school stuff, at least twice as old as I am!

it seems that in my experience, most brownings either group at about 2" or at .5" reall y good or barely OK.... its just funny.

I was talking to a friend (posted this before elsewhere) about these loads...

him: so, 35, that's a lot of bullet for whitetail
me: yeah, should work though, reaaly accurate
him: really?
me: less than .25MOA.
him: nice!
him: so, what 200, 225gr?
me: nah, 250s
him: wow, big boys....... what speed
me: 2400
him: nice.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........... dude, that's donna hit bambi like a bloody freight train!!!!!!
me: what's your point? :D:D:D

and I don't even have a proper bench rig... one piece 4x4 lumber, two bags #8 shot, cabela's deerskin gloves, Boyt gun case over my shoulder.

I can shoot that group ALL DAY.

and I don't even have a proper bench rig... one piece 4x4 lumber, two bags #8 shot, cabela's deerskin gloves, Boyt gun case over my shoulder.

I can shoot that group ALL DAY.

Thats impressive. Theres nothing that says you have to have $500 worth of benchrest equipment to shoot nice groups. Obvioulsy you can shoot, 1/4" groups dont just happen. To be honest, i dont think ive ever shot an honest, strait up caliper measured sub .250" with a big game gun. Really close, but not quite. Now ive built some varmint rigs i would have thrown away if they grouped over .250. Had a Shillen barreled Rem 40-X solid bottom single shot 222 Rem. that would consistantly group sub-.175 for 5 shots @ 100 meters. Granted, the gun weighted in about 17 lbs with a Lep. BR-36x, but man was it fun to shoot.

To some, the 35 Whelen is a bit big for whitetail, but your talking to a guy who has shot a coyote with a 338-378 Weatherby pushing a 200 gr B-Tip @ 3325 fps. No i wasnt hunting for him with that gun, but the opportunity presented itself so... Yeah, it worked. :evil2

Great kill.

Great kill.

Literally.

To some, the 35 Whelen is a bit big for whitetail, but your talking to a guy who has shot a coyote with a 338-378 Weatherby pushing a 200 gr B-Tip @ 3325 fps. No i wasnt hunting for him with that gun, but the opportunity presented itself so... Yeah, it worked. :evil2


holy crap... the only thing worse would have been a 150gr BT in a 30-378!!!! still, I'm guessing there was some pelt damage, yes?

holy crap... the only thing worse would have been a 150gr BT in a 30-378!!!! still, I'm guessing there was some pelt damage, yes?

Actually it was a dead-nuts broadside shot and it didnt hit bone. Was suprisingly little damage. The damn thing was so nasty though (summertime) I didnt even touch it, much less skin it out.

Speaking of the 30-378, I had this really excentric doctor friend who was a big game hunter in the truest sence of the word. He had me to build him a $3500 Weatherby 30-378 Accumark to take out to Wyoming. Elk is the first thing that comes to mind with that given information, oh no, not this guy. That hunt was for tropy Pronghorn and varmint. He had me make him up a load with a 110 gr Barnes X, moly coated, with an absurd quantity of powder (the powder we used escapes me now) but i recall something like 130 grains. :confused :eek: You know your in the gray area when the powder charge outweights the bullet!!! At dark you could watch the bluish-green (that would be copper vaporizing into thin air) vapor trail the bullet left for the first 50 yds or so. The muzzle blast was simply incredible, like a 5 ft wide by 25 ft long fireball, with unburt powder all over the bench and ground. The blast shattered my chrono screen the first shot through, that was from my standard distance of 12 feet. It would kick up dust on the ground from a kneeling shot, with the muzzle ~3.5 ft off the ground. Muzzle velocity? How 'bout a tick better than 4200 fps. Sighted 2" high at 100, it was only down about 6" at 400yds. He got 2 pronghorn on the hunt, one of which was shot stem to stern (Texas heart shot) from a laser verified 522 yds. Which its a good thing he shot the 'lopes first, as he promptly burnt out the barrel in 2 hours of praried dog shooting. That was a quick $800 (what Weatherby charged to rebarrel the Accumark) in 2 hours. Must be nice. :cool

:eek2 I can imagine the barrel buring out... I'd also be willing to guess that if you ran the trails, a 150bt would actually be flatter out past 400, simpy based on better BC... gimme a minute (point blank rules)

couldn't find a quick 110, but the 150 and the 125 nosler BTs are dead-even on trajectory (pulled the velocity off a bit, based on the nosler reloading manual #5).

those little ballistic anomalies always amaze me! (in my Whelen, the 250s are flatter-shooting than the 225s, despite the difference in velocity, simply based on superior ballistic efficiency.... gotta love it.

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...for the most massive thread hijacking in recent history. :D

haha... thanks matt!

haha... thanks matt!

Its the numbers that keep me interested in this stuff. Ballistics or horsepower either one, they fasinate me. Your absolutly right, bullets will do some weird things based on the ballistic coefficient. You start talking about those super-mags, the heavier bullets really do make more sense for long range shooting. Its all in the physics. You are correct though that a 150 or 165 gr boattail bullet would have made a lot more sense, but he wanted to see that 4200 flash up on the chrono screen is all. And when you gonna drop $3500, I'll make that screen flash whatever the f*** you want buddy. :D

Yes indeed, very successful thread hijacking. And talk about off topic. :buttrock

IIRC most 600+ shooters using a 300mag use a ~185gr Match King, and the smallest you see out of a measly 308 (blah) is 165.... so yeah, the big bullets are fun!

4200 is insane, but its just not responsible IMO... even with an X, you will have hainous fragmentation if you hit bone at distances under 50yds, which can happen in ANY kind of shooting. with the 30-378 you can run 3500 with a 165 IIRC, which should be MORE than enough pop for just about anything! and the X is generally NOT that ballistically efficient, a partition would have been a much better choice IMO.... or even a GS or A-Frame.

whatever though, you give me $3500, I'll give you what you want too!

I just sold my "varmint" rifle.... a No. 1 Tropical 375H&H :D:D:D makes bunnies go BOOM!

The only reason I've allowed it is cuz I put an edit in the first post, and it's staying near the top for all to see for a while.... it will get locked and go away early next week.... :D

IIRC most 600+ shooters using a 300mag use a ~185gr Match King, and the smallest you see out of a measly 308 (blah) is 165.... so yeah, the big bullets are fun!

4200 is insane, but its just not responsible IMO... even with an X, you will have hainous fragmentation if you hit bone at distances under 50yds, which can happen in ANY kind of shooting. with the 30-378 you can run 3500 with a 165 IIRC, which should be MORE than enough pop for just about anything! and the X is generally NOT that ballistically efficient, a partition would have been a much better choice IMO.... or even a GS or A-Frame.

whatever though, you give me $3500, I'll give you what you want too!

I just sold my "varmint" rifle.... a No. 1 Tropical 375H&H :D:D:D makes bunnies go BOOM!

The first "big" gun i ever shot was a No. 1 Tropical. 458 Win Mag. to be exact, I was 14 yrs old. Havent forgotten to this day. Neither has my shoulder.

I agree on the choice of bullets, i usally tend to go heavier weight/heavier construction. Ive seen too many animals jump and run after being hit with some sub-standard caliber/bullet combo. Those guys down in GA always wanting to use thier 22-250's for deer are prime examples. I had a handload (this was before Federal came out with Trophy Bonded Bear Claws in that loading) that i sold with a 52 gr X bullet at a sane velocity for the guys wanting to use that caliber. Speaking of TBBC, if you've never tried that bullet, it is my all time favorite big game bullet. Dead reliable expansion down to 1500 fps, will hold together at 3600 fps+, and ive never had a gun I couldnt get to group at least as well if not better than any other load in said gun with the TBBCs.

The only reason I've allowed it is cuz I put an edit in the first post, and it's staying near the top for all to see for a while.... it will get locked and go away early next week.... :D

Well Das and I will enjoy it while it lasts, and keep it up top for ya. Glad to be of assistance. :cool

:lol :buttrock

Well Das and I will enjoy it while it lasts, and keep it up top for ya. Glad to be of assistance. :cool

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I've never use the TBBCs but I have some Federal HE 165s for my dad's 30-06 I just need to get grouped and zero'd.... if they are under an Inch, I'm leaving it, my whelen needs my time more than the -06.

heavy bullets are so much more fun... the THWUNK! they make when they hit the animal is excellent!

I've never use the TBBCs but I have some Federal HE 165s for my dad's 30-06 I just need to get grouped and zero'd.... if they are under an Inch, I'm leaving it, my whelen needs my time more than the -06.

heavy bullets are so much more fun... the THWUNK! they make when they hit the animal is excellent!


Unless that '06 has something against that load imparticular, I feel certain it will work out for you. You definitly wont be dissapointed in the terminal performance of the bullet. Its pretty bad-ass.

Its such a distinctive sound too, a center-mass hit on a large whitetail, that sort of WHUUUPPPPPP. The bigger the bullet, the louder the whop too. Ive used a Marlin Guide Gun 45-70 on several occasions. I had a load with a 350 gr Hornady round-nose that worked wonders on hogs close in. I hit a big ole fat doe at about 130 yds one morning with that load (great for meat hunting, low velocity = very little damage), and the sound coming back was so loud it actually sorta suprised me a bit. Sorta like Sosa hitting a throw-rug slung over a cloths line with a 4 lb. bat. I don't belive she ever heard the shot. She dropped like someone yanked the rug out from underneath her. :cool

yeah.... that's about what it looks/sounds like. soooooo cool. I have a client with a 577nitro he wants me to shoot...... talk about big bullets!!!!!! (like 700gr???) :D:D:D I should just have the nerves in my shoulders removed first.

yeah.... that's about what it looks/sounds like. soooooo cool. I have a client with a 577nitro he wants me to shoot...... talk about big bullets!!!!!! (like 700gr???) :D:D:D I should just have the nerves in my shoulders removed first.

Yep, 577 Nitro Express, exactly what you want when you have a really pissed Cape Buff' at a distance better measured in feet rather than yards or miles. What kind of rifle does he have that in? Likely an A-Square bolt rifle. Have fun shooting that one. :evil2

That No.1 458 I mentioned earlier was a nasty kicker. Ive touched off quite a few rounds in a Weatherby Accu-Mark Ultralight 300 Wby. Mag, 7 lbs even with scope and sling, was shooting Federal HE 180gr TBBC, chrono'd at 3308 fps. If you do the math, thats a bit more muzzle energy than that 375 H&H bunny-slayer you mentioned earlier. The worst of all time, easily, was this dude brought me a custom home-brewed "mountain rifle" based on a Rem 700 action. It was in 338 Win Mag, little pencil thin barrel, fiberglass stock, he wanted a 250 gr load worked up for an elk hunt. That was a horrendous experiance, had to bust out the shoulder pad for that one. Leupold scoped, had like 4"+ eye relife, that bastard kissed me on the bridge of the nose every single time, no matter what i did. Hated that gun. Shoulder still hurts. :( :cool

ultra-light 338s are EVIL.... I'd rather shoot an 8lb 470NE....... something just WRONG about that man.....

ultra-light 338s are EVIL.... I'd rather shoot an 8lb 470NE....... something just WRONG about that man.....

Some calibers just shouldn't be made in guns less than 8 lbs. 338 Win Mag is one of them. I read a great article years ago about the recoil profile of various calibers. How some catridges, just because of their capacities, caliber and burn characteristics led them to kick a lot worse than they "should". 338 Win Mag topped that list, right behind the 308 Winchester, which if you've ever shot a really light 308, you will know is true. There were others that just didnt kick as hard as they should have, as in the 7x57 Mauser.

Gee, you take the words right out of my mouth...

:D

I've never shot a 7x57, although both our mausers were originally 8x57s.... I'd like to get a 7x57 for the wife to use at some point.

and I think that the 375H&H is one of the ones that "under kicks" as well, not near as bad as I expected, a hair over 8lbs, and manageable on the bench.

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And its not led by hugo? Im confused :confused