Hey guys, havent been on here in awhile. Just started reading the forums again. Been kinda busy with the car.

Anyway, guy at my school has a Black E46. You know how young kids are with cars like that. REAL COCKY. Well he noticed my car and asked me how fast it was. I said that it was pretty quick. He told me there was no way that a Cobra was faster than his M3. I said you wanna see one hand you your ass? So we headed out to the freeway for a quick demonstration.

50 roll, 2nd gear, 3 honk and I'm gone. Started to pull hard and shut down at around 110 after I had put a good 6+ cars on him at least.

Don't want to start nothing, the guy was cool afterward. He was just surprised at how fast the Cobra was. Not bashing on the M3 at all, so lets not start a fight. That's what happened last time I posted about the M5.

I know how fast my car is, just wanted to post this and see if any of ya'll have run other 03 Cobras and the outcome. Not sure if it was a manual or SMG. I didn't ask.

Jeeze, small space for sigs. I guess I need to shrink it a little more.

yeah... that was a foregone conclusion... similar weights, you've got +60hp and +130lb-ft

as long as youo kept it spinning..... ouch.

I wonder if ur 475rwhp helped you at all...?

Sweet car, love the color/wheels. :buttrock

I wonder if ur 475rwhp helped you at all...?

LOL, yeah it did. Cut it out in my sig or else it would have been there.

But yes, my numbers are 475RWHP, and 482RWTQ.

After my lower pulley and headers with the Apten, I'm hoping for 510RWHP, 535RWTQ. Just need a quick trip to Strictly in Houston.

I'm not suprised you killed him. You stock 395hp and what is it 365tq or rwtq. A stock e46 M3 333hp and 275tq. Weight difference yeah you probably weigh more but I dont think too much. Not enough where it would make a difference atleast. Either way I wish I had a Cobra, and especially an 03. DAMN FAST CAR!!!!!!!! The e46 M3 guy obviously hadnt a clue in this world what he was up against. Are you stock? Also real nice kill, way to shut up an in experienced person.

errr, not stock????

errr, not stock????
Whose not stock???

I tried to mess with an old man in a 03-04 cobra on the highway a couple nights ago, but he would only ghetto race. Wait for him to have a break in traffic then gun it ahead while i'm stuck behind..then when it was wide open just sit there like a pussy and do nothing. I would love to race one from a dig....i think it would be good til 70 or 80, then i think the mustang would pull ahead.

Oh damn I didnt see the other parts of the thread lol. Wow your not even stock much much faster.

hah guys he's fast

The car is running hard right now. Just ran a guy in a Viper GTS, stock, and got him by about 3 cars to around 130 or so. Great race.

Best 1/4 mile so far is a 12.2@118 on street tires. Wheel hop is terrible and I've already broken my halfshaft. Car now has DSS LVL 4's. Its good for a mid 11 with some drag radials as it is now.

After the mods, I hope to go 11.2-11.3 and 10's on the bottle.

Good kill. I have to get me a Cobra by next summer.

Geez that's some serious power, maybe you should wait for the C6 z06 to come out for some competition.

what up everyone haven't posted in a while. Only a couple times anyways. I had a question about a problem on my car. I believe it's a gear that needs to be replaced in the rear end but I'm not sure. I can be crusin in first and if I put it in second and floor it there is a loud bang noise from the rear. it's only when I step on it in low gears. I think the guy before me put in a smaller gear. It has good acceleration. Can anyone help me?

Nice car...

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what up everyone haven't posted in a while. Only a couple times anyways. I had a question about a problem on my car. I believe it's a gear that needs to be replaced in the rear end but I'm not sure. I can be crusin in first and if I put it in second and floor it there is a loud bang noise from the rear. it's only when I step on it in low gears. I think the guy before me put in a smaller gear. It has good acceleration. Can anyone help me?

Can't get more off-topic then that....

Awesome Cobra misterslowa$$ (I kid, I kid :D)

Like I always say, I would DEFINATELY go for an 03' Cobra, but I love the bimmer:redspotway too damn much... besides, "2 different cars with 2 different missions"

Nice Kill :buttrock

Nice car and nice kill :buttrock

nice kill
Cobras are sick. I love the sound of them, supercharger w/ big V8. sounds so good.

Very nice ride, and a great kill. Yeah, my instructor at the track had a modded Cobra and he would whip everyone! He was trying to convince me to get a Cobra instead of a BMW, as much as I have always loved Mustangs though, BMW's have always been/always will be a dream come true for me :)

Very nice ride BTW

LOL, yeah it did. Cut it out in my sig or else it would have been there.

But yes, my numbers are 475RWHP, and 482RWTQ.

After my lower pulley and headers with the Apten, I'm hoping for 510RWHP, 535RWTQ. Just need a quick trip to Strictly in Houston.

Yeah thats just about the limit for a stock blower (where you are now that is). We did meth injection on one and added some timing got about 10 more hp than you have but thats it. And that was on a 50 deg night-time dyno. That Apten has trade offs, usally in the location of the tq curve. Which, having your torque come on a bit later in the power curve isnt necessarily a bad thing with an 03. Regarless, you should break the 500 mark with those upgrades. If your gonna bother, you should look into a Whipple or KB unit, for the time involved in the swap and trouble, they would give you significantly more power. The aforementioned Cobra will likely be getting an ATI F1 after the first of the year. Shooting for anything over 700 at the wheel. Should be fun. :evil2 :cool

PS. Have fun with those headers. Lucifer himself layed the blueprints for doing headers on a 4v car. :devillook (Damn I'm such an ass)

Edit: Oh yeah, very sweet ride. Sonic Blue is the shite. And the wheels complement the color very nicely.

If I go twin screw it will be the KB. Its proven and has the numbers to back it up. Whipple's are good, but we really havent seen much more than dyno numbers from them.

I would never put a Procharger on my car. Every person I know or have seen that had one has taken it off. They have crazy belt slip and a couple of peoples just fell apart (not literally). But the bearings went bad and so on. They need to get there 10 rib system together. A KB car would smoke a Procharged car on the street. Look at the tourque curves on a KB dyno graph. It's massive.

There are alot of Apten cars running deep 11's with no nitrous. And a couple of guys running 10.7-10.9 on the bottle. I've seen dyno numbers from wet shots and on only a 75 jet guys were making up to 590rwhp, 650rwtq on the Eaton. The TQ is just insane.

The cost of going KB isn't bad, but I have bigger plans for the car. Eventually it will get a VT 324 aluminum stroker strapped with twin T-61 turbos. Then we can make the big power.

If I go twin screw it will be the KB. Its proven and has the numbers to back it up. Whipple's are good, but we really havent seen much more than dyno numbers from them.

I would never put a Procharger on my car. Every person I know or have seen that had one has taken it off. They have crazy belt slip and a couple of peoples just fell apart (not literally). But the bearings went bad and so on. They need to get there 10 rib system together. A KB car would smoke a Procharged car on the street. Look at the tourque curves on a KB dyno graph. It's massive.

There are alot of Apten cars running deep 11's with no nitrous. And a couple of guys running 10.7-10.9 on the bottle. I've seen dyno numbers from wet shots and on only a 75 jet guys were making up to 590rwhp, 650rwtq on the Eaton. The TQ is just insane.

The cost of going KB isn't bad, but I have bigger plans for the car. Eventually it will get a VT 324 aluminum stroker strapped with twin T-61 turbos. Then we can make the big power.

I havent heard of any of the issues with the ATI setups. I saw 1 at Mustang Week this summer in Myrtle Beach, it was pretty sick. I know the tq. curves on the twin screw setups are untouchable with centrifugals, but thats what i like abou them. I would sacrifice the huge low end tq for a heavy hit on the top end. (Its all personal preferance here). Make street driving much easier. But sounds like you have a nice plan there. Good luck with the turbos, those should make some insane power for you.

Yeah, it is all personal preference. I wouldn't sacrifice the low end tourque for a street car. That's why when I do the turbo set up it will be strictly a race car and fun car, not a daily driver.

You should check out www.modularfords.com. You probably already know about it, but they have lots of good threads about ATI/Prochrarged cars if you are interested. I just wouldn't do it. Maybe when they get their new set up all will be fixed, just too many people taking them off for my comfort.

Yeah, it is all personal preference. I wouldn't sacrifice the low end tourque for a street car. That's why when I do the turbo set up it will be strictly a race car and fun car, not a daily driver.

You should check out www.modularfords.com. You probably already know about it, but they have lots of good threads about ATI/Prochrarged cars if you are interested. I just wouldn't do it. Maybe when they get their new set up all will be fixed, just too many people taking them off for my comfort.

We have a good relatiohship with ATI, we are a large distributor for them. On the one hand, i wouldnt want any of the issues you mentioned, but on the other, were they to occur, i know i could get them ironed out. Anyhow, the final decision is up to the customer, and to be honest I think he's leaning towards the Whipple, but we'll see.

Yes, i have been on modularfords.com a few times for information purposes. Good site.

Good to see you, MisterSLOW. Your car looks great.

Impressive numbers. Nice car.

Hey Mister Slow...do you kick kittens too. LOL. He never had a chance. Way to silence an arrogant newb though.

Good to see you, MisterSLOW. Your car looks great.

Good to be back Silver. Just been really busy lately with school and all. Now I need to go and convince my dad to go and get the new M5. :buttrock

Where'd you get the wheels? They look great...

Got them from Mustang Tuning. They really set the car off, especially in person. 17x9 and 17x10.5, 315's in back and 275's up front.

BFG used to make DR's in those sizes... :evil2

Very nice, they look great. Is Mustang Tuning sorta like AFS?

Edited by Moderator. Warning still stands.

I raced a new 03 Cobra at the beach just for fun. Mostly because I wanted to see how bad the outcome would be. We went numerous times and about the top of 2nd into 3rd gear, he was G-O-N-E! Off the line through 1st and most of 2nd I had him, most likely due to his traction problems. But after that, he pulled me hard, easily. :eek: It was a lot of fun though because I know how fast my car is, and to see something pull me that hard just amazes me. Those are very quick cars! :buttrock They guys license plate said YOUDLOSE. Your story is just another example of the M3 guy not knowing the competition very well. Nice car btw, I love that blue! A buddy of mine has a Sonic Blue Q400. Awesome color & car!

Sweet car... Nice numbers also, 03 Cobra's are definitely no joke.

I dont care how fast it is, still a white trash ferrari :rolleyes I'd like to see it outhandle an ///m :embarrasm

Yeah this guy in a red Cobra with aftermarket exhaust was messing with me and he would clutch it and rev (@ 60mph) and it sounded awsome. I wasnt going to even try. He blasted away cutting cars off and such. Awsome looking and sounding car.

Cobra's are nice, can't say much for the other Mustangs. Still too heavy but I think they can handle decently. Though I'm willing to bet a M3 will out perform it on the track. So how about a track kill section???

Cobra's are nice, can't say much for the other Mustangs. Still too heavy but I think they can handle decently. Though I'm willing to bet a M3 will out perform it on the track. So how about a track kill section???
:buttrock There should be, and willing to bet? :eek: You're forgetting C&D rated the m3 the best handling car over 30k in 1997 (Yes outhandling porsches, ferraris, vettes, stangs and vipers!)

All this talk of 03' Cobra's killing E46 M3's both being stock. But why do Mustang guys get all moist beating E46 M3's? Completely different cars and the biggest difference is a 6cyl N/A and the other is a freakin 8cyl with a damn blower!!!! So why are all you BMW guys giving the Cobra's props??? :confused
How about we get a E36 M3 Turbo Charged against a stock 03 Cobra? And let's see what would happen then. :stickoutt

Don't get me wrong Cobras are powerful out of the box and for the cheap price. But we need to give the E46 M3 major props for just being a straight six 333HP. I will NEVER own a Ford let alone a Mustang. Never liked the brand and never liked the style. I grew up a major Chevy purist thanks to my pop. Better brand and best styling since the 50's-60's. Anyway.....

So can you guys tell me what other car in the same price range can compete with these 03 Cobras? The Chevy Z06? Why not make comparisons with those cars or with other V8 SuperCharged cars/trucks. INSTEAD :redspot

You read my mind homie. :D
I dont care how fast it is, still a white trash ferrari :rolleyes I'd like to see it outhandle an ///m :embarrasm
:lol

All this talk of 03' Cobra's killing E46 M3's both being stock. But why do Mustang guys get all moist beating E46 M3's? Completely different cars and the biggest difference is a 6cyl N/A and the other is a freakin 8cyl with a damn blower!!!! So why are all you BMW guys giving the Cobra's props??? :confused
How about we get a E36 M3 Turbo Charged against a stock 03 Cobra? And let's see what would happen then. :stickoutt

Don't get me wrong Cobras are powerful out of the box and for the cheap price. But we need to give the E46 M3 major props for just being a straight six 333HP. I will NEVER own a Ford let alone a Mustang. Never liked the brand and never liked the style. I grew up a major Chevy purist thanks to my pop. Better brand and best styling since the 50's-60's. Anyway.....

So can you guys tell me what other car in the same price range can compete with these 03 Cobras? The Chevy Z06? Why not make comparisons with those cars or with other V8 SuperCharged cars/trucks. INSTEAD :redspot

It's a street race, it happened, it's fun to discuss. Also, the 03-04 Cobras ran about $32-35K when new. Z06 is about $10-15K more. The only thing close to it in price and class was the 04 GTO, and it weighed more (if you can imagine that) and was down on power in comparison.

The 03-04 Cobra is a fast car. Stock for stock in an acceleration contest, it will best the E46 M3. So what? Seems to me it's the M3 owners who get defensive when posts like this pop up... not vice versa...

All this talk of 03' Cobra's killing E46 M3's both being stock. But why do Mustang guys get all moist beating E46 M3's? Completely different cars and the biggest difference is a 6cyl N/A and the other is a freakin 8cyl with a damn blower!!!! So why are all you BMW guys giving the Cobra's props??? :confused
How about we get a E36 M3 Turbo Charged against a stock 03 Cobra? And let's see what would happen then. :stickoutt

Don't get me wrong Cobras are powerful out of the box and for the cheap price. But we need to give the E46 M3 major props for just being a straight six 333HP. I will NEVER own a Ford let alone a Mustang. Never liked the brand and never liked the style. I grew up a major Chevy purist thanks to my pop. Better brand and best styling since the 50's-60's. Anyway.....

So can you guys tell me what other car in the same price range can compete with these 03 Cobras? The Chevy Z06? Why not make comparisons with those cars or with other V8 SuperCharged cars/trucks. INSTEAD :redspot

Very well said (My dad also made me a gm man also =P), the f-bodies and most gm cars are way better crafted and made better in every single way possible. See the thing about gm is they don't need to stoop to forced induction and 4 v per cylinder to make horsepower. The new c6 is going to be I believe 550 horsepower from a naturally aspirated 6.0 v8 now lets see ford do that... I've driven a stang before their narrow, sit high and their interior and the whole build of the car just feels "sloppy" and the car just screams body roll taking the turns! Now my dads 97 z28 isn't the best handling car in the world but it handles verry well much better then a mustang and the car feels much more put together and solid it's wide, roomy, pretty low and has little to no body roll. And if you want to race a Forced Induction GM car/truck try hitting up a modded syclone/typhoon or a grand national and see how you're big bad V8 does then. :embarrasm

All this talk of 03' Cobra's killing E46 M3's both being stock. But why do Mustang guys get all moist beating E46 M3's? Completely different cars and the biggest difference is a 6cyl N/A and the other is a freakin 8cyl with a damn blower!!!! So why are all you BMW guys giving the Cobra's props??? :confused
How about we get a E36 M3 Turbo Charged against a stock 03 Cobra? And let's see what would happen then. :stickoutt

Don't get me wrong Cobras are powerful out of the box and for the cheap price. But we need to give the E46 M3 major props for just being a straight six 333HP. I will NEVER own a Ford let alone a Mustang. Never liked the brand and never liked the style. I grew up a major Chevy purist thanks to my pop. Better brand and best styling since the 50's-60's. Anyway.....

So can you guys tell me what other car in the same price range can compete with these 03 Cobras? The Chevy Z06? Why not make comparisons with those cars or with other V8 SuperCharged cars/trucks. INSTEAD :redspot

Sigh. Fast is fast. Your car will be no less appealing if you praise a faster car. There's always something faster. No excuses please. His car is fast. It beat an E46 M3. It doesn't make the BMW any less of an "ultimate driving machine". It just means that the Cobra was faster. End of story.

Very well said (My dad also made me a gm man also =P), the f-bodies and most gm cars are way better crafted and made better in every single way possible. See the thing about gm is they don't need to stoop to forced induction and 4 v per cylinder to make horsepower. The new c6 is going to be I believe 550 horsepower from a naturally aspirated 6.0 v8 now lets see ford do that... I've driven a stang before their narrow, sit high and their interior and the whole build of the car just feels "sloppy" and the car just screams body roll taking the turns! Now my dads 97 z28 isn't the best handling car in the world but it handles verry well much better then a mustang and the car feels much more put together and solid it's wide, roomy, pretty low and has little to no body roll. And if you want to race a Forced Induction GM car/truck try hitting up a modded syclone/typhoon or a grand national and see how you're big bad V8 does then. :embarrasm
It's a matter of personal preference, I owned an 88 GT, a 90 Z28, 95 Z28, and a 99 GT... but you can't deny that Ford did one thing right... they sold a lot of 'em, and as a result they are still around...

If that Cobra had a BMW emblem on the hood some of you guys would be nominating it for sainthood. As it is you try to discredit anyway you can. Isn't that called penis envy?

It's a matter of personal preference, I owned an 88 GT, a 90 Z28, 95 Z28, and a 99 GT... but you can't deny that Ford did one thing right... they sold a lot of 'em, and as a result they are still around...
A matter of personal preference? The statement I made wasn't biased clearly the truth, I really could care less between the competition between domestics as i'm not much involved with them. And selling more vehicles dosen't make you better look at korean cars just because they sell alot does it mean their great build quality = hell no! :mad

A matter of personal preference? The statement I made wasn't biased clearly the truth, I really could care less between the competition between domestics as i'm not much involved with them. And selling more vehicles dosen't make you better look at korean cars just because they sell alot does it mean their great build quality = hell no! :mad

What I meant was some people prefer the Ford, some the GM vehicles. The seating position, the trannies, the ride, the interior, etc.

The fbodies were faster (93 on up), but the Cobra evened the odds a bit in 99 (post fix), and so on. The Mustangs were more nimble, stock for stock, and post 99 had better brakes, etc...

Again, it's a preference thing...

It's a street race, it happened, it's fun to discuss. Also, the 03-04 Cobras ran about $32-35K when new. Z06 is about $10-15K more. The only thing close to it in price and class was the 04 GTO, and it weighed more (if you can imagine that) and was down on power in comparison.

The 03-04 Cobra is a fast car. Stock for stock in an acceleration contest, it will best the E46 M3. So what? Seems to me it's the M3 owners who get defensive when posts like this pop up... not vice versa...

I believe this entire thread just stated that the Cobra will best the E46 M3. My point is----->How is it fun to discuss the comparison of oranges and apples? I'm not on the defensive buddy, just want to make it a fair playing field. Why compare two entirely different cars all together.

Your assumption here is completely wrong. I'll race your BMW against my BMW my NON ///M3 it's a 93' 318is against your big 330.

NO penis Envy here Stainer. A race is not a race when your racing an entirely different car all together. Once again comparing oranges to apples. Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, just trying to make a point.
It's not an excuse man, I never made any excuses genious. My statement is completely legit and you can't compare those cars. I'm just telling how it really is. How about you race a twin turbo supra and of course your going to loose, so what would your rationaliziotion be for this comparison? Still think a race is just a race. You woudln't have a chance.

I'm not trying to put down Ford, just my personal opinion that it sucks ass that's all. To me that is. You seriously have some screws loose saying if a Cobra had a BMW emblem we would praise it. When hell freezes over buddy this will happen. Keep dreaming. LOL NEVER

"post fix"

*shudder*

Ford wishes they could put a BMW or a Porsche emblem on there cars but they can't because the cars are not the same. The Cobra is the only decent Mustang out, if your going to spend $30K+ why not spend a little more and get a better all around car? This whole kill thing is a joke since any car can be modified with tons of power and beat any stock car. It needs to be a track kill story, then we will see the cream rise to the top. Then again we all know what cars will be there.

I believe this entire thread just stated that the Cobra will best the E46 M3. My point is----->How is it fun to discuss the comparison of oranges and apples? I'm not on the defensive buddy, just want to make it a fair playing field. Why compare two entirely different cars all together.

Your assumption here is completely wrong. I'll race you BMW against BMW in my NON ///M3 it's a 93' 318is against your big 330.

NO penis Envy here Stainer. A race is not a race when your racing an entirely different car all together. Once again comparing oranges to apples. Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, just trying to make a point.
It's not an excuse man, I never made any excuses genious. My statement is completely legit and you can't compare those cars. I'm just telling how it really is. How about you race a twin turbo supra and of course your going to loose, so what would your rationaliziotion be for this comparison? Still think a race is just a race. You woudln't have a chance.

I'm not trying to put down Ford, just my personal opion that is sucks ass that's all. To me that is. You seriously have some screws loose saying if a Cobra had a BMW emblem we would praise it. When hell freezes over buddy this will happen. Keep dreaming. LOL

Exactly you're comparing 2 cars that we're made for 2 totally different purposes: m3 being a born track car that does okay and can beat some cars in drag and the cobra which handles like shit and is mildly fast, it's not ment to be a dragster so why the hell is it even worth bragging for?

I believe this entire thread just stated that the Cobra will best the E46 M3. My point is----->How is it fun to discuss the comparison of oranges and apples? I'm not on the defensive buddy, just want to make it a fair playing field. Why compare two entirely different cars all together.

Your assumption here is completely wrong. I'll race your BMW against my BMW my NON ///M3 it's a 93' 318is against your big 330.

NO penis Envy here Stainer. A race is not a race when your racing an entirely different car all together. Once again comparing oranges to apples. Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, just trying to make a point.
It's not an excuse man, I never made any excuses genious. My statement is completely legit and you can't compare those cars. I'm just telling how it really is. How about you race a twin turbo supra and of course your going to loose, so what would your rationaliziotion be for this comparison? Still think a race is just a race. You woudln't have a chance.

I'm not trying to put down Ford, just my personal opinion that it sucks ass that's all. To me that is. You seriously have some screws loose saying if a Cobra had a BMW emblem we would praise it. When hell freezes over buddy this will happen. Keep dreaming. LOL NEVER
But you see, some would say OEM vs OEM = apples to apples. Some might even drag the price point into the argument...

But it was a street race. Which means it was a straight line acceleration test, which means the Cobra won. Who cares?

This thread was discussing acceleration, and bang for buck, the Cobra ain't a bad deal.




And neo- as far as the Cobra being meant for drag duty only, not entirely true (that would be the GT some might argue). It's not in the same class as the M3, no doubt, nor should it be for the price.

It has it's merits, it has it's place.

That being said, please watch the profanity here in the Main Forums. :cop

Brent 930 well put man. They wish.

Neoprelude you tell'em man.

Brent, this forum is for all kinds of kills, drag strip, track/road course or auto-x, and even street racing... We also have a Track Forum for the tech info here. But often times the race stories themselves get told here as well....

I'd like to see it outhandle an ///m :embarrasm

You'd be surprised how many newer American muscle cars would outhandle an M.

Put a decent driver behind an 03 Cobra and you'd be amazed what they can do. And if you mod the suspension, you better believe they'll beat an M. This is the new age, the stereotypes need to stop because 99% of them are wrong...most importantly the handling category.

Handling was a good argument years back ...not anymore, even for the Mustangs, believe it or not.

Even so... we're going off topic here (never thought I'd say that like it's a bad thing)...

A cocky M3 owner got owned, and he deserved it, end of story.

You'd be surprised how many newer American muscle cars would outhandle an M.

Put a decent driver behind an 03 Cobra and you'd be amazed what they can do. And if you mod the suspension, you better believe they'll beat an M. This is the new age, the stereotypes need to stop because 99% of them are wrong...most importantly the handling category.

Handling was a good argument years back ...not anymore, even for the Mustangs, believe it or not.

Good luck Armo. Ive been trying that line for years and people like some of these blowhards in this thread just have to get beat to see the light. Personally, having driven pretty much every car in this discussion, both modded ones and stock, I can tell you now the Z06 is the best handling car mentioned here, PERIOD. As for Fbody/Mustang handling, to each their own. The guys who havent ridden in one since the Johnson Administration are still bent on the whole strait line thing. Fine by me, i know what i have and dont have. You just go on thinking what you want to think, and keep thinking it while you watch my tail lights fade in the distance.

Some of you gentlemen have your head so far up your ass on this German superiority thing, its just makes me sick to read it. I mean we have a representative example of almost every single deragatory cliche and stereotype associated with German car owns in general, BMW owners in specific, all wrapped up in this one thread. Congrats, you've done a damn fine job living up to them too. The admin and membership at large try very hard (and do a damn fine job) of making a well rounded site here. One that not only bimmer owners but owners of all other marques can come to and enjoy. People like you who get on here and simply refuse to belive anything but your chosen make is worth the space it takes up, much less the fact that an E46 M3 could possibly loose to a Mustang of any sort, you just throw a big wrench in the works. Its a damn shame to, as most of the fella's on this site are very cool and down to earth. They know what they have, and are just as interested in learing about something else (and its capabilities in comparison to any given bimmer) as they are about hearing about bimmers. But you guys just keep on keeping on, I like to have the percentage of nose-in-the-air, holier than thou bimmer owners, as you guys are absolutly the most fun to kill on the street. That look of utter non-comprehension, as you watch my crappy ass, mullet mobile, non-handling, ratttling box, non-BMW smoke your ass. Priceless. :cool

It's true the field is closing the gap on the leaders in performance cars but when was the last time a mustang won anything on a road coarse in competition??? I agree a Z06 is very very good and almost bought one myself but it's not a Porsche 930 turbo. I must also say even though my car is faster after mods the Z06 is a little faster on the track than me. That one really hurts but a stock Mustang ain't going to beat me anywhere. Nobody cares about Mustangs but people with BMW's and Porsche, etc. get alot of looks. Oh, and what about after 20 plus years? How much will that junk car be worth? I said it once and I will say it again, who cares who can beat who in a straight line? Let's hear some real kill stories.

Why is it comparing Apples to oranges when comparing a CObra to a M3?

There both made to go fast, handle well. The M3 just has a better interior thats it. They have teh same purpose, to go fast. The M3 is just not in the same league with a Cobra in the speed department.

Have you people driven a Cobra? That car CAN HANDLE. It would wipe a M3s ass on a real road course, and not in the cones in a parking lot.


Ford wishes they could put a BMW or a Porsche emblem on there cars but they can't because the cars are not the same. The Cobra is the only decent Mustang out, if your going to spend $30K+ why not spend a little more and get a better all around car? This whole kill thing is a joke since any car can be modified with tons of power and beat any stock car. It needs to be a track kill story, then we will see the cream rise to the top. Then again we all know what cars will be there.

ANy car can be made to be fast, but not many can be made to be as fast as a cobra mod for mod. Its people like you that the German automakers love. You buy a car for nameplate, you would probably get a 318 over a vette because its a BMW. And the vette wishes it was a BMW -__-

It's true the field is closing the gap on the leaders in performance cars but when was the last time a mustang won anything on a road coarse in competition??? I agree a Z06 is very very good and almost bought one myself but it's not a Porsche 930 turbo. I must also say even though my car is faster after mods the Z06 is a little faster on the track than me. That one really hurts but a stock Mustang ain't going to beat me anywhere. Nobody cares about Mustangs but people with BMW's and Porsche, etc. get alot of looks. Oh, and what about after 20 plus years? How much will that junk car be worth? I said it once and I will say it again, who cares who can beat who in a straight line? Let's hear some real kill stories.


You have never seen a mustang win a road competition? Ofcourse its not a 930 Turbo, its a z06. Your car is not a z06. Do you get a car so you can have some 15yr old girls stare at you while you drive by? I get plenty of that too and I drive a crappy camaro.

If you want "real " kill stories, go to www.ConeRacingRus.com .

Oh, and what about after 20 plus years? How much will that junk car be worth?

Would you like for me to make a list of cars from the 60s & 70s that would prove you wrong? I could think of some cars that have increased in value quiet alot.

Good luck Armo. Ive been trying that line for years and people like some of these blowhards in this thread just have to get beat to see the light. Personally, having driven pretty much every car in this discussion, both modded ones and stock, I can tell you now the Z06 is the best handling car mentioned here, PERIOD. As for Fbody/Mustang handling, to each their own. The guys who havent ridden in one since the Johnson Administration are still bent on the whole strait line thing. Fine by me, i know what i have and dont have. You just go on thinking what you want to think, and keep thinking it while you watch my tail lights fade in the distance.

Some of you gentlemen have your head so far up your ass on this German superiority thing, its just makes me sick to read it. I mean we have a representative example of almost every single deragatory cliche and stereotype associated with German car owns in general, BMW owners in specific, all wrapped up in this one thread. Congrats, you've done a damn fine job living up to them too. The admin and membership at large try very hard (and do a damn fine job) of making a well rounded site here. One that not only bimmer owners but owners of all other marques can come to and enjoy. People like you who get on here and simply refuse to belive anything but your chosen make is worth the space it takes up, much less the fact that an E46 M3 could possibly loose to a Mustang of any sort, you just throw a big wrench in the works. Its a damn shame to, as most of the fella's on this site are very cool and down to earth. They know what they have, and are just as interested in learing about something else (and its capabilities in comparison to any given bimmer) as they are about hearing about bimmers. But you guys just keep on keeping on, I like to have the percentage of nose-in-the-air, holier than thou bimmer owners, as you guys are absolutly the most fun to kill on the street. That look of utter non-comprehension, as you watch my crappy ass, mullet mobile, non-handling, ratttling box, non-BMW smoke your ass. Priceless. :cool

Well said. Keep in mind that the same people who complain that Cobra vs. M3 is apples vs. oranges were no where to be found when the video of that Evo VIII getting beat by an M3 in the 1/4 mile was going around. It's OK to pound your chest and scream "M Power" when you beat a rally monster like an Evo in the 1320ft, but God forbid you should throw a Cobra a bone when he runs away from that same M3. Double standards suck. Run what you brung and to the winner go the spoils.

When you race a car and lose it's an unwritten rule that, if you have a conversation with the other driver afterwards, the first thing you ask him is what he's done to his car. A small minority of these BMW owners in here would probably talk about their own cars first.

A cocky M3 owner got owned, and he deserved it, end of story.

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IMO, if you consider yourself a car enthusiast, you have to look beyond just the manufacturers from which you have purchased, to appreciate all the varietys available. To think one brand is superior over another is simply naive! People buy what they buy for numerous reasons, otherwise we'd all probably be driving something better than we currently are. Get over the arrogance and the "my car is inferior" mentality. Nothing chaps my ass more than to give a guy props for his car and then him turn his nose up at me. I like cars, LOTS of cars, not just my E46 M3. Enthusiasts love cars, not just "a car".

It's true the field is closing the gap on the leaders in performance cars but when was the last time a mustang won anything on a road coarse in competition??? I agree a Z06 is very very good and almost bought one myself but it's not a Porsche 930 turbo. I must also say even though my car is faster after mods the Z06 is a little faster on the track than me. That one really hurts but a stock Mustang ain't going to beat me anywhere. Nobody cares about Mustangs but people with BMW's and Porsche, etc. get alot of looks. Oh, and what about after 20 plus years? How much will that junk car be worth? I said it once and I will say it again, who cares who can beat who in a straight line? Let's hear some real kill stories.

THIS IS A REAL KILL STORY!!! What the hell is wrong with you dude? You come on here with a 21 yr old car and all of 10 posts and start telling us, in our OWN FORUM, that what we are talking about arent "real kills" because they didnt happen on a closed course. And as Flawless stated, I could drum up 20 cars in a hurry, American cars all older than yours, that the WHEELS off of one of them are worth more than your POS Porsche. "A Z06 is a great car, but its not a 930 Porsche", that has to be the single dumbest statement i have ever heard. What do you think your driving there bro? Thats like me saying "yeah that Ford GT is a sweet whip, but its no Z-28". I swear your attitude and disposition on your car and cars in general plain SUCKS. This board was better off without you. In case you couldnt tell, thats a big happy fuk you. :fingerboi

wow im impressed big guy, i was gonna buy an e46 m3 but now im defintly buying a cobra.







Yea right!!!!

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Flawless,

You sound a little TPT to me, also you should go buy a Mustang like the other million people have already done.

Keep it civil, gents, or this one is done, and some folks may find action being taken against their account here... :cop

Boy you really need to chill out.

Flawless,

You sound a little TPT to me, also you should go buy a Mustang like the other million people have already done.

whats tpt?

Trailer Park Trash

Trailer Park Trash

And that will rap this one up.

Brent, you're new here. We don't tolerate name-calling here.