aanyone?

-jon

I would be down for the True Match SA coilovers. I don't know if we could get a vendor though

Would this setup be better than the Ground Control track coilover setup?

i think so... but then again... ive only done about 1000000000000000000 hours of online and in-car research...

-jon

i think so... but then again... ive only done about 1000000000000000000 hours of online and in-car research...

-jon
Aprox how much more would it cost? The other GB for the H&R coilover is at $1100 I believe. Also, is this coilover setup ride height/rebound adjustable? That would be a good reason for me to consider this.

TC kline > GC and H&R in my opinion

Yeah it's definitely the only coilover setup I would go with. It improves both handling and ride quality making it great on the street, but also trackable. If you want much better handling without sacrificing the ride comfort, I've heard there is no better kit.

i think so... but then again... ive only done about 1000000000000000000 hours of online and in-car research...

-jon

:lol Depends on what you want. Stop talking to JV, he only see's TCK.

I dunno, 1 quintillion hours of online research is a LOT though

edit: So on the S/As (TCKE36TM) the rear ride height is adjustable, is the front also adjustable?

how much?

:lol Depends on what you want. Stop talking to JV, he only see's TCK.

yeah, hes a TC kline whore.....

I dunno, 1 quintillion hours of online research is a LOT though

edit: So on the S/As (TCKE36TM) the rear ride height is adjustable, is the front also adjustable?


yeah, im probably a few hours short of 1 quintillion hours, but you get the point ... ;)

yes, both front and rear are height and the stiffness of the shocks are adjustable as well.

I would be down with this over the FK's on the other thread if a vendor bites and the price is right.

i would be interested in making this group buy happen, and am a TCKline Vendor.
Club Price is $1505 plus shipping (about $50)
If 5 people buy, I'll cover the freight.
If 10 people buy I'll do $1455 shipped.
how long do you guys need to make this happen?
-Dan

Hey thanks, sounds great! Let's do this. Is this the full True Match kit w/ the buna rubber rsm's?

i need the e46 m3 kit which is substantially cheaper than the e36 m3 kit... got pricing on that for me?

i need the e46 m3 kit which is substantially cheaper than the e36 m3 kit... got pricing on that for me?

Yeah I wish the e36 kit were cheaper. We need more people who are interested

Hey thanks, sounds great! Let's do this. Is this the full True Match kit w/ the buna rubber rsm's?
yes it is, it is the e36 true match single adjustable coilover kit with their RSM.

i need the e46 m3 kit which is substantially cheaper than the e36 m3 kit... got pricing on that for me?
the e46m3 true match single adjustable coilover kit is $1435.12
I'll count these in the deal
5 kits total..I cover shipping
10 Kits total the E46 Kit will be $1380

The e36 and e46 kits Fit all including M

If we get a ton of people i'll figure something out

Ok how long do you people need?

I can go through with it whenever.

Im new to this stuff... Could someone show pictures? Does this kit slam the car pretty low? I just wanna see some info on this set up

You guys are all very smart to want this kit ;) I got mine from diffsonline/bpg and highly recm'd both the kit and their service. It truly does not get ANY better!

post some pix of these bad boys.

http://tcklineracing.com/TCKe36TM-small.jpg
TCKR True Match S/A Coilover System - With this kit, you can adjust rebound externally front and rear (front only on 318ti, Z3, and MZ3/coupe) plus have the added benefits of ride height adjustability (up to two inches). The True Match System includes our super trick VVS alloy springs. Unlike other coilover systems, our rebound adjusters and wide range of spring rates enable a true match to your driving needs and preferences. Encompassing both street comfort and track performance, this kit is unsurpassed in its class. The TCKR True Match Kit includes TCKR Rear Height Adjustors and specially formulated Buna rubber rear mounts. Rear mounts may be upgraded to TCKR monoball rear mounts. (Monoball mounts offer better shock control at the expense of some street comfort.)

I have purchased a set of e36 C/Os from dan in the past. Transaction was smooth as can be. I happy he took over this GB. Count me in!

Count me in too. Let's get some more people!

I'm in for E46 M3 kit...

Spring rates I want are 550 front 500 rear... tahts not too rough for the street right?

When can we get our kits :D

fc411@stern.nyu.edu when yall are ready.

I may be interested also... count me in as tentative - if you need one more person than I will be definitely in...

m3jon - which spring rates are you going with and where are you having yours installed?

Does anyone have this kit on the car? Id like to see the drop

Drop is adjustable since it is a coilover setup. The kit is designed with function over form, so you *cannot* slam the car. It can go low enough though, mine can go about 1inch lower than it is now.

http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/watermark.php?file=500/258DSCN2243.JPG

why is that the hottest pic ever!!!!! nice shot vitolo. TC kline rules.

-jon

I'm interested... Its for a non-M E46, but I have no idea about spring rates. Its a daily driver that sees autocross and 4 or 5 weekends at the track per year.

Are the springs progressive or linear?

This is the TCK/SA and not the TCK/DA kit, correct?

How much for the TCK/DA kit?

What about camber plates?

M3Jon -- if you have time, can you pm me why you would choose TCK over the GC street kit?

They use linear springs. If you can afford them, definitely get the camber plates too.

Camber plates can be added into a group buy for $500(550 is club price)
The Double Adjustable Setup is $2100 club price. Same deals apply...

for daily driver's and autocross cars I usually let TCKline themselves recommend the spring rates.
Please give me an email with the purposes of your cars, and I will contact TCKline and get the best setup possible for your car.
dan@diffsonline.com

M3Jon -- if you have time, can you pm me why you would choose TCK over the GC street kit?

yeah.. good suggestion about PMing you.. if i say anything bad about GC on this board, all the GC whores will bitch at me...:)

for what its worth, TC kline rules!

yeah.. good suggestion about PMing you.. if i say anything bad about GC on this board, all the GC whores will bitch at me...:)

for what its worth, TC kline rules!

Care to send me that PM too? :)

yeah.. good suggestion about PMing you.. if i say anything bad about GC on this board, all the GC whores will bitch at me...:)

for what its worth, TC kline rules!
Send me that one too, and inclue why the H&R coilover sucks as well. Thanks ;)

so when can we order?

I am interested in the DA non M e46 kit. please advise on pricing and how to order

Monday (tomorrow) I will get prices on the kits in question and let's put an order in Friday.
Do we have 5 for Friday?
-Dan

I'm interested but have a few questions:

1. Does a coilover system have to be corner balanced w/ alignment due to ride hieght adjustability?

2. Do the struts/springs come preassembled?

Thanks!

I'm interested but have a few questions:

1. Does a coilover system have to be corner balanced w/ alignment due to ride hieght adjustability?

2. Do the struts/springs come preassembled?

Thanks!
1. Corner Balancing is a choice, not a requirement. A good shop should be able to get it close when doing the install.
2. it comes exactly like the picture...
http://tcklineracing.com/TCKe36TM-small.jpg

I am interested in the DA non M e46 kit. please advise on pricing and how to order
E46 DA Coilovers are $2106.34 shipped for the first 5 sets and $2000 Shipped for 10 sets


ALL PEOPLE READY TO PURCHASE PLEASE EMAIL
dan@diffsonline.com
and we can start getting this together.

i heard from tckline that if you have an M3, you must get the camber plates, or non M E46 style front strut mounts....

i heard from tckline that if you have an M3, you must get the camber plates, or non M E46 style front strut mounts....


is this true?... i wasnt aware of that.... dan, can you find out for us?

Sounds like a sweet set-up and deal. I'm on the fence, though. I was ready to go GC.
M3 Jon please shoot me that PM. Thanks. ;)

i heard from tckline that if you have an M3, you must get the camber plates, or non M E46 style front strut mounts....
I will investigate this today, and have a response shortly.

Hmm when are we supposed to order by? I need more time... Hmm how many people do you have? Can I order a little later and get the discount?

were you guys seriosu about me making a PM to send around?... i mean, its just gonna be my opinion and itll probably just cause problems. I will send you guys one if you really want my impressions on the kits.

-jon

were you guys seriosu about me making a PM to send around?... i mean, its just gonna be my opinion and itll probably just cause problems. I will send you guys one if you really want my impressions on the kits.

-jon
YES

were you guys seriosu about me making a PM to send around?... i mean, its just gonna be my opinion and itll probably just cause problems. I will send you guys one if you really want my impressions on the kits.

-jon

LOL,well my mind is pretty much made up, but it can't hurt getting someone else's opinion...

Ok, ill type up that PM and send it to those who requested it. Dan, did you find out about the camber plate issue on the e46 m3s?

Thanks for the answers. Should I contact TCK directly for spring rates? I essentially want aggressive street performance w/out significantly sacraficing ride quality (which is what I hear TCK suspensions are good for). The car will see 1-2 track days per year.

I'm also interested in the Camber Plates for fun.

Which sway bars are recommended as a complementary system??

Hi Vitolo,... me again :)

Could you post your spring rates one more time? I've lost your PM from a while back(many thanks for that BTW)

300F/400R

It's an excellent balance between handling and comfort(for those of you wondering). Sometimes I think I should have gone stiffer since the kit is so smooth though being in Boston i'm thankful I didn't. I might go up a notch(400/500)when I move back to FL for good in Jan since the roads are much better but for now it's perfect.

Yes, I did find out about the e46m3 setup...
The suspension does not fit in the e46m3 plates. You need either the e36m3 plates or the TCKline plates.

Let's put this group buy to rest by Wednesday.
Who is in? quote this and add your name

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Yes, I did find out about the e46m3 setup...
The suspension does not fit in the e46m3 plates. You need either the e36m3 plates or the TCKline plates.

Let's put this group buy to rest by Wednesday.
Who is in? quote this and add your name

1. m3j0n (depending on the full price including the camber plates)
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DAN, so how much is it including the camber plates?

Here are the prices for everything, I lowered the 6 + Kit pricing and the camber plates.

E36 or E46 DA Smart Design Coilover kit (note: for the e46m3 this kit fits w/o camber plates)
$2106.34 shipped - 5 kits
$2025 shipped 6+ total kits

E36 SA True Match Coilover kit
$1504.94 shipped - 5 kits
$1400 shipped 6+ kits

E46 SA True Match Coilover kit
$1435.12 shipped - 5 kits
$1335 shipped 6+ kits

Camber plates
$550 shipped
$475 with suspension purchase

Yes, I did find out about the e46m3 setup...
The suspension does not fit in the e46m3 plates. You need either the e36m3 plates or the TCKline plates.

Let's put this group buy to rest by Wednesday.
Who is in? quote this and add your name

1. m3j0n (depending on the full price including the camber plates)
2.
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I am looking at this too, but I don't get how it can be a "matched set" yet NOT fit the car without modifications. afaik, the e36 mounts and the e46 mounts are totally different from my M3?

please send me that note too please

I am looking at this too, but I don't get how it can be a "matched set" yet NOT fit the car without modifications. afaik, the e36 mounts and the e46 mounts are totally different from my M3?

please send me that note too please
The suspension is matched within itself. Most manufacturers expect you to run camber plates with a coilover suspension.

Dan on the off the shelf kit for my 1996 E36 M3....what is the front and rear spring rate? I already have aftermarket RSM's on my car...would you sell the kit w/out the RSM's? and how much would it take off of the price of the kit....Thanks

FYI if you have the JTD RSM's you cannot use them. They are not large enough to accomodate the Koni(at least the externally adjustable ones).

I have the GC's.......do you happen to know if that works? I would like to keep them since i paid 80 for them :(...wouldn't want them to go to waste.

Not sure. The threaded end of the shaft on the Koni's was almost twice as thick as the PSS9's I removed. Since GC uses Koni's, yours might be ok.

Yes, I did find out about the e46m3 setup...
The suspension does not fit in the e46m3 plates. You need either the e36m3 plates or the TCKline plates.


okay. just to make things clear for me before I get in on this group buy.

I have an e46m3. I'm looking at the E46 SA True Match Coilover kit. Will i need to add in the camber plates?

thanks

Vitolo...I have to ask.....I love the drop on your car....I ride on stock M 17inch wheels too...is your height setup on your ride...Front....Set all the way up Rear all the way down?

It has about 1/2in left to go before it is all the way down in the front and rear. If you get the camber plates(I plan to, wish I did first time around) you could get more travel at the same height or go another inch lower. In the rear I am running 7.5mm spring pads on top and 5mm on bottom so it could also go lower if I took them out. My goal was to lower the COG and make the car's stance nicer but I did not want the car slammed. Still has enough ground clearance not to be a nuisance for daily driving.

Sorry man, one more question:

Why would someone want the 'Smart' design vs. the 'True' match system? More adjustability?

spring pads? are they a requirement? what's their benefit?

Thanks bro for taking the time...

The smartdesign are the double adjustable shocks where you can change bump AND rebound separately. Tuning them is a little more tricky so the truematch would be better if you prefer simplicity. The truematch are the single adjustables which are more user-friendly. The smartdesign is a better shock but you are paying for adjustability that you may not feel much on a street car.

Spring pads arent necessary but they ensure the coil stays seated and does not clunk around.

Dan, do you know if spacers will be required for E36 M3s?

Thanks,
Dennis

okay. just to make things clear for me before I get in on this group buy.

I have an e46m3. I'm looking at the E46 SA True Match Coilover kit. Will i need to add in the camber plates?

thanks


unfortunately, yes you need the camber plates...... so jsut go with the D/As ;)

unfortunately, yes you need the camber plates...... so jsut go with the D/As ;)
What setup is better for pure handling, the DA or the SA with camber plate?

What about for the best mix of street/track comfort?

do you know if spacers will be required for E36 M3s?

Thanks,
Dennis

No spacers needed.

Dan, do you know if spacers will be required for E36 M3s?

Thanks,
Dennis
I haven't sold a kit yet, where spacers were needed for stock wheels.
-D

What setup is better for pure handling, the DA or the SA with camber plate?

What about for the best mix of street/track comfort?
400f/500r springs are the best, and the DA is the BEST handling when combined with camber plates for the exact setup options you desire.
Day to day use, get the SA, and they will cover you for track weekends and auto X

unfortunately, yes you need the camber plates...... so jsut go with the D/As ;)

blah..thats what i didn't wnat to hear :stickoutt

hmm..decisions....decisions....

I also have the GC RSMs, and I'm wondering about the true match price for the E36 without the RSM.

Also wondering if there is any interest in a TCKR Sporting Suspension with externally adjustable rears. Not quite as nice as coilovers, but cheaper for those of us who will never get around to corner weighting their car.

I also have the GC RSMs, and I'm wondering about the true match price for the E36 without the RSM.

Also wondering if there is any interest in a TCKR Sporting Suspension with externally adjustable rears. Not quite as nice as coilovers, but cheaper for those of us who will never get around to corner weighting their car.
Sorry I totally spaced on this one.
I have a call in now to ask that question about the RSM

Thanks Vitolo and Dan for the spacers reply... Much appreciated.
Cheers,
Dennis

Dan,

If you can get to the 6+ threshold, I would be in for an E36 SA kit (1997 M3/4) with 400/500 springs. Assuming I am not too late of course!!

Need to get this puppy ready for some Twin Screw powa!!

Steve

GC rear RSMs won't work with the externally adjustable rear koni's. the koni's are 12mm, a little bigger than the "normal" koni's.

Best handling is either 450f, 500r, or 500/500...

I have the TCK suspension, 450f, 500r, externally adjustable rear koni's with the TCK rear monoball RSMs and GC camber/caster plates and it's a rocking setup!

No spacers needed for stock wheels, my old IFG 17x8/17x9 setup, or 17x8.5 Evo's. When I go to a 245 or 255 front tire, then I'll need a small spacer.

Dan is a great guy to deal with, you can buy with confidence!

As a little holiday cheer, i already have enough commited buyers between everything and will do the discount and the free shipping. So the lowest prices for the 6+ kits are in effect. let me know by Wednesday who wants what and give me your credit card/shipping info. Shipping starts Monday...
-Dan

GC rear RSMs won't work with the externally adjustable rear koni's. the koni's are 12mm, a little bigger than the "normal" koni's.

Best handling is either 450f, 500r, or 500/500...

I have the TCK suspension, 450f, 500r, externally adjustable rear koni's with the TCK rear monoball RSMs and GC camber/caster plates and it's a rocking setup!

No spacers needed for stock wheels, my old IFG 17x8/17x9 setup, or 17x8.5 Evo's. When I go to a 245 or 255 front tire, then I'll need a small spacer.

Dan is a great guy to deal with, you can buy with confidence!
Thanks for the kind words ;)

hmmmmm that is odd....a lot of ppl like Mpact sell the GC Track Coilover kit and they use koni rear adjustables in their kits and they off the GC RSM's too....anyone else can verify that this kit will work w/ the GC RSMs?

Yeah, but they may not be the externally adjustable ones. I know GC sells them now, so they might have RSM's that work, but if you have an older set, you're going to want to check first...

^bump

This is the absolute last week for the group buy,
LAST CALL

Wow, those are GREAT prices for arguably the best suspension system for an M3! Free bump. :thanks:

Here are the prices for everything, I lowered the 6 + Kit pricing and the camber plates.

E36 or E46 DA Smart Design Coilover kit (note: for the e46m3 this kit fits w/o camber plates)
$2106.34 shipped - 5 kits
$2025 shipped 6+ total kits

E36 SA True Match Coilover kit
$1504.94 shipped - 5 kits
$1400 shipped 6+ kits

E46 SA True Match Coilover kit
$1435.12 shipped - 5 kits
$1335 shipped 6+ kits

Camber plates
$550 shipped
$475 with suspension purchase

I wish I had another BMW so I could take advantage of your awesome TCKline prices! :D

Seriously that's a friggin steal. There is NO reason for you cheap pranksters out there not to buy this shit.

Ground control makes RSMs that can fit rear external top adjustble koni's and standard ones. When ordering it is best to specify what rear shock setup you have or just say you need GC RSM 10mm or 12mm version.

Ground control makes RSMs that can fit rear external top adjustble koni's and standard ones. When ordering it is best to specify what rear shock setup you have or just say you need GC RSM 10mm or 12mm version.
Thank you for your help, I was unsure of this
-Dan

I'm interested... however, can you please shed some light on this one issue...

According to TCK site the SA model for the MZ roadster/coupe the rear dampers are not adjustable. Is this true?

On either the SA and DA... what spring rates would you recommend for a street/daily driver?