INTRO OFFER: $60 OFF ALL Bavarian Soundwerks Subwoofer Enclosures
Valid until November 14, 2004.

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Why Bavarian Soundwerks Enclosures Are So Great:

Every Bavarian Soundwerks Subwoofer Enclosure is built using the following techniques:

They're designed for your BMW by BMW enthusiasts and audiophiles. We've thought of every detail.
Built using very high grade MDF wood (several times the cost of that available at Home Depot, etc.)
Enclosures are cut and assembled using a CNC machine accurate to 1/1000th of an inch
Once assembled, the inside of each enclosure is coated with fiberglass resin. This dramatically increases the strength of the box, reducing flex, thereby enhancing sound quality. Additionally, the resin eliminates hard 90 degree angles at the enclosure edges, completely eliminating standing waves which reduce sound quality. And, because of the resin coating, each enclosure is completely sealed for the most accurate possible bass reproduction.
The top and bottom of the enclosure are covered in an industrial strength 1/16th inch black laminate for enhanced looks and long-lasting gorgeous appearance
Enclosures are meticulously hand-covered in luxurious black, high density carpet
On the front right of every enclosure’s carpeting you’ll find a subtly embossed “M” logo

Why the D210.E36 Enclosure is So Great:

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Its unique Quick Release installation system allows you to install or remove the subwoofer enclosure in literally 2 minutes flat. By yourself. This system requires NO permanent modifications, drilling, etc. Just bolt it up – everything you need is included.

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The unique, low profile deck-mounted design maintains significantly more usable trunk space than any other enclosure available.
The down-firing design provides some of the best possible acoustics in a subwoofer system for an E36 chassis vehicle
Because the enclosure is mounted to the rear decklid, it engages not only your ears, but also your entire body; vibrations and sound reverberate throughout the entire vehicle’s chassis, making the bass experience completely immersive
It looks, well, incredible!

Go here for more information about this enclosure:
http://www.bavariansoundwerks.com/products/description.php/II=344

Why the F110.E Enclosure is So Great:

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Its compact design and ¾ inch construction make this enclosure incredibly sturdy and durable, meaning you can throw anything at, on, or near it and never worry about how it will hold up.
It’s even more quickly and easily removable from your vehicle than the unique D210.E36 enclosure
It’s fairly large depth affords the ability to use a wide variety of subwoofers, including MB Quart’s flagship Premium woofer. As such, output is SURPRISINGLY high for such a compact solution, especially in a vehicle such as an X5, 318ti, etc.
It’s nearly universal – this enclosure can be used in almost any BMW
Because this down-firing enclosure uses small “feet” to raise the woofer a couple of inches from the floor, output is effectively enhanced by using this unique “channeled” design.
We line the F110.E Enclosure’s “feet” with high grade Velcro, meaning it absolutely, positively does not slide around – even when being subjected to an overzealous BMW owner’s driving habits!

Ready to Order? Here's how:

1. Give Bavarian Soundwerks a call at 678.388.9538 and we'll be happy to take your order over the telephone. VISA/MC/Amex accepted. Just be sure to mention the $60 off Bimmerforums.com special.

2. Order online using our secure website using the links associated with the products above -- again, VISA/MC/Amex are accepted. Enter coupon code BFCIS at checkout to receive your discount!

4. Money Order, Cashier's Check, or Personal Check. Please place the order online and select “Check / Money Order” on our website. All necessary payment instructions are included. Enter coupon code BFCIS at checkout to receive your discount!

Questions?

Post in the thread, shoot the great guys at BSW an e-mail (info@bavariansoundwerks.com), or give BSW a call at 678.388.9538.

By the way, just wanted to note that we are running low on both of these enclosures currently; next production run isn't scheduled to be completed for two weeks, so if you want one, now is definitely the time to buy.

Micah:


So if I'm using 2 speakers in the rear for mid-bass were the factory speakers were, I can't use your product? My current setup has six speakers and the sub in the trunk, which I would love to get out of the way.


Your product looks very well made. :buttrock

First, thanks for the kind words.

The D210.E36 Enclsoure DOES NOT impact the ability to keep your rear speakers. In fact, they are affected in no way whatsoever! The enclosure provides enough room for 6x9" speakers seen in the HK system as well. So, in short, you can keep your rear speakers. :)

You got my attention. Just to be clear, the enclosure comes without the subs right? How much does it weight? The MB quart in the pictures, is that a sample kit that you offer? Thanks

Is this enclosure stable when I am to take a corner hard. My current sub box flies around in my trunk.

Yes, the D210.E36 enclosure comes without subwoofers. It's pictured with MB Quart Reference woofers in all photos. Weight is 26 lbs for the unloaded enclosure.

The D210.E36 (Dual 10" deck mounted enclosure) absolutely DOES NOT MOVE under cornering of any kind. In fact, it shouldn't move under any circumstance, including even a severe accident. It's actually attached to the rear deck of the vehicle using a unique quick release system that allows it to be installed and uninstalled in a matter of 2 minutes without permanent modification. When it's in there, it isn't going anywhere at all. And it's so well connected, that one of its unique benefits is that it transmits not only the sound through the chassis of the vehicle, but also the actual subsonic frequencies of the music, so you can hear and FEEL your music.

The F110.E (Single 10" floor mounted enclosure) is not attached to the chassis. However, it uses high grade velcro on its "feet" so that it does not slide or move around. I've tested this in my car, and I'm by no means a calm driver; it doesn't budge at all. In fact, the velcro sticks so well that I usually end up pulling out my trunk carpeting with it!

wow, nice i have been looking at these for a few days. I think this is really what i am going to do. Do bad i wont be doing my sytem till next summer

Built using very high grade MDF wood (several times the cost of that available at Home Depot, etc.)

I am not trying to ruin your thread, but I have a genuine question.

I have been building subwoofer and speaker boxes for years, have won many local and regional competitions with them in mine and other's cars, and know a lot of people that have been in the business longer than I have; so I consider myself somewhat knowledgable in the making of boxes.

What is so special about your MDF that you use? MDF is MDF. It means medium density fiberboard which is not wood. You are either not using MDF or you are. And why is it many times the cost of what I can buy at a chain or independant shop?

Please explain.

BTW nice looking and creative box.

make an enclosure than can fit 2 10" diamond audio M6s and i'll buy an enclosure in a sec

This is for the E36 body. Anything for the E46?

JB

ss109: Saying "MDF is MDF" is like saying a BMW is a BMW. Sure, most BMW's are pretty similar, but there's a wide range of features and level of performance within the single BMW mark. Just like an orange is an orange, but there are oranges that taste great and some that are awful. To say that there isn't variation in the quality of a given TYPE of material is, frankly, just plain wrong.

So, the answer is that we use the highest quality MDF we can get our hands on. Not only that, but we resin-coat the MDF, which penetrates and strengthens it, increasing the effective density of the walls of the box as well as the effective thickness of the MDF.

In terms of MDF cost, it's more expensive than what you'll find at a Home Depot because of the process used to create it, the wood used, etc. Frankly, I'm not the engineer of this product, and I certainly am not an expert on wood-based materials, so I can't give you the technical specifics. What I can tell you is that there is a visible and HEARABLE difference from the prototypes we made using lower quality MDF. I'm going to let our head stereo engineer, Jason, answer your question a little more in detail on Monday when he gets in as he's been doing this 10+ years and knows more than I do, but that's the short answer.

nismo skyline: The enclosure can fit a wide variety of subwoofers. I'm honestly not familiar with the woofer you're using, so I can't comment on whether this will be a fit based on a knowledge of the woofer. What I can tell you is that as long as your woofers use roughly .4-.7 cubic feet of airspace, are 5.6" deep or less, and are of a circular 10" design, you should have no problems fitting them. If this doesn't match your woofers, the only thing I can say is to hang in there; we are developing several other enclosures that provide a wider variety of choices to our customers.

jb02r1: We are completing the final prototyping on one of two dual 10" enclosures specifically for the E46 on Monday. We may be able to knock out the second as well, but it's a slightly more complex design. In any case, we will make a similar initial offering once one or both of the enclosures for E46 vehicles becomes available. Keep an eye out for it and bookmark the site: www.bavariansoundwerks.com.

are you ever going to be making anything for a 12" woofer? particularly a single 12" floor mount E36 enclosure? the only trick is that mine has 8.25" mounting depth.

Thanks
Tom

We've got quite a few enclosure designs in the works, and will be rolling out more and more offerings as we grow, etc. Basically, the chain of priorities is as follows:

- Model specific floor mounted and deck mounted dual 10" enclosures for E46, E39, and E38
- Model specific single 10" deck mounted enclosures for E36, E46, and E39
- Universal single 12" floor-mounted enclosure
- Model specific dual 12" floor & deck mounted enclosures for E36, E46, and E39

It's coming, and probably sooner than you think. Contact our lead engineer, Jason Seaver, at jws@bavariansoundwerks.com. Tell him I sent you based on the possibility of us doing a run of floor mounted single 12" enclosures.

thanks for the response back.

I will bookmark it now.

thanks again

JB

ss109: So, the answer is that we use the highest quality MDF we can get our hands on. Not only that, but we resin-coat the MDF, which penetrates and strengthens it, increasing the effective density of the walls of the box as well as the effective thickness of the MDF.

I think its better only because you resin coat it. Resin is more glue...whic means more density more mass and more ridgitiy.

I am pretty familiar with wood and as MDF goes there isn't really one that is ebtter than another. Just thinking and thinner. Its just really thick cardboard basically.

there is a visible and HEARABLE difference from the prototypes
Hearable? not a word. Try audible.

-Tyler

Is this offer applicable for the "Stage 2 Subwoofer Solution"?

Thanks,
Robert

do you make a box that would actually keep the trunk semi usable.. like one sitting in the left corner?.... having a box like this basically renders the trunk useless.. unless all you do is take your e36 skiing.

If this sub box is mounted directly to the rear deck, wouldn't is be more prone to make everything rattle like crazy? Do you have to dynamat the whole rear of the car? Has anyone bought one of these for their E36? How about a real life report on how these things work! Any volunteers?

Are you planning on letting us know when you get your dual 12's ready to go... I need to find a better box to get my speakers out of the way.

Well, looks like BimmerForums hasn't been e-mail me with updates to the thread! Sorry for not getting back to you folks more quickly. Let me answer your questions one at a time.

Tyler: In our experience, based on REAL WORLD testing and development, there clearly are different grades of MDF. Some splintered very easily, others weighed more or less, some sounded hollow and boomy, others more like real wood. I simply don't know on what you're basing your information, but I couldn't disagree more.

Regardless, I can assure you that the enclosure is made with EXTREMELY high quality materials (including the MDF we've chosen) and build quality is flawless, as I'm sure you'd agree if you saw the enclosure in person.

And you're right, hearable isn't a word. Guess we all have brain farts sometimes. :) Hope you can find the kindness to forgive mine.

Robert: Yes, this offer is valid for our Stage 2 solution. If you'd like to order this package, please call us at 678.388.9538 or e-mail at info@bavariansoundwerks.com and mention this offer.

oraph: Actually, the enclosure doesn't take up as much room as it appears to in the photos. Height is just slightly over 6" and depth around 12" - so your trunk is still as usuable as ever. It really looks much bigger in the photos than it really is.

Additionally, because of the unique quick release design, the enclosure can be removed and reinstalled in LITERALLY 2 minutes. That's the whole point: it allows you to maintain usable trunk space when you need it, but have truly impressive sound quality and low-end performance when you want that as well.

It looks like you're a track junkie (me too), and that's one of the things that really inspired our design; we wanted something that was easily removed and reinstalled, didn't take up too much space, but had the audio reproduction qualities an audiophile insists upon.

Take a look at some more photos here to get a (marginally) better feel for the size:
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The other thing to keep in mind is that if you buy it, and you're not happy with the size, you can return it for a 100% refund, including ground shipping to you and back to us. No out of pocket for you if you're not happy.

Also, anything that doesn't take up some trunk space is probably not going to sound all that great. There are exceptions to that rule, typically involving altogether too much money, but on the whole, if you want sound quality from an enclosure, there needs to be a bit of size to it. And relative to most dual 10" enclosures we know of, the D210.E36 has a much smaller size and impact on usable trunk space.

dasminkar: No, surprisingly not. This is because, unlike an enclosure that sits on the floor of your vehicle which moves the air around it, but not the chassis, causing everything EXCEPT the chassis to vibrate and therefore rattle agains the chassis, the D210.E36 actually moves EVERYTHING together, meaning nothing rattles. When I switched from testing the D210.E36 in my car to the floor-mounted F110.E, that's when the rattles started.

I've since switched back to the D210, and I have zero rattles (except my license plate which I can't seem to get screwed down tight enough), and I don't have any dynamat or other sound deading material at all in my car.

Mdrvnbiker: We certainly will let our customers know when we launch a dual 12" woofer offering. I'm not sure that we'll ever be able to offer a dual 12" deck-mounted enclosure for a few reasons:

1. Height would increase by 3-4" at least, more or less eliminating most benefit of the D210.E36.

2. Weight would become a concern; you're looking at 100+ pounds hanging from the rear deck, which is pushing the limits.

3. There simply might not be enough depth to the rear deck. It's likely that it would be impossible to maintain the quick release system given the fact that the box depth would need to increase to 13.5" at minimum, forcing the front brackets too far forward.

We WILL be offering a dual 12" floor-mounted solution in the near future, but to be honest, there's not much you can do to reduce the footprint of such a setup. Dual 12's require plenty of airspace, and that means a sizeable box. If you want more space, we'd recommend switching to the D210 setup with the MB Quart woofers. You'll sacrifice a bit of the VERY low end response, but gain a bunch of trunk space.

We've got quite a few enclosure designs in the works, and will be rolling out more and more offerings as we grow, etc. Basically, the chain of priorities is as follows:

- Model specific floor mounted and deck mounted dual 10" enclosures for E46, E39, and E38
- Model specific single 10" deck mounted enclosures for E36, E46, and E39
- Universal single 12" floor-mounted enclosure
- Model specific dual 12" floor & deck mounted enclosures for E36, E46, and E39

It's coming, and probably sooner than you think. Contact our lead engineer, Jason Seaver, at jws@bavariansoundwerks.com. Tell him I sent you based on the possibility of us doing a run of floor mounted single 12" enclosures.

I contacted Jason and he said you weren't in the development of any 12" enclosures. maybe just not one that would accomidate my 8.25" mounting depth?

Tom

I do not doubt your enclosures are very high quality. What I still would like an answer to is WHAT MAKES YOUR MDF BETTER THAN MINE?

And MDF does not splinter... perhaps you are referring to plywood, which there IS many many grades and types.

MDF is made to an industry spec that allows it to be called MDF. Anything else that does not conform to this spec is not MDF. So MDF is MDF.

Are you guys going to make one like this, but fitting two 12s?

i think you guys need to stop trying to beat each other over the whole MDF thing and try to focus on the topic of the thread. This MDF arguement is pretty useless just say everyone is right and call it a day... he is selling an obviously great product and he would probably fix anything that you are unhappy about. Just let him sell the product and let the members buy it!


Looks good i would definately be interested in one of these inclosures in a few weeks!

JEFF

Box looks real nice. Good concept too with the quiuck release. I would just love to see somebody hit hte quick release, and not undo their speaker wires, and jerk shit out. But oh well, that is on them.

But me personally, I woudln't get it. For one I like 12"s. And I'm friends with people that own a custom audio shop. So I will have them do a custom enclosure in the back, with vinyl and plexiglass or what not. But none the less, your design is innovative and nice looking. Good job.

I am not trying to ruin your thread, but I have a genuine question.

I have been building subwoofer and speaker boxes for years, have won many local and regional competitions with them in mine and other's cars, and know a lot of people that have been in the business longer than I have; so I consider myself somewhat knowledgable in the making of boxes.

What is so special about your MDF that you use? MDF is MDF. It means medium density fiberboard which is not wood. You are either not using MDF or you are. And why is it many times the cost of what I can buy at a chain or independant shop?

Please explain.

BTW nice looking and creative box.


Glad we have another wood expert on here. Anyway you are partially correct in that MDF is MDF. It is created to certain standards which are similar to tolerances in cars. When created it has to be created to these minimum standards. That means it can exceed these standards if the manf. wants it to. And they can help it do so by adding additives to the resin that is used in the manufacturing process. That is why there are different costs involved with MDF. Take a look at these websites of manf. Notice each one has similar manufacuring processes but each one has different specs.

http://www.langboard.com/mdfhome.htm
http://www.plumcreek.com/products/mdf/specs.cfm
http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pname=MDF&pid=1068&hierarchy=pc
http://www.temple.com/mdf/index.html

The last example itself is one that shows one manufacturer that produces different specs of MDF. So you thinking MDF is MDF is a flawed thought. There are differences and it all has to do with the manufacturing process and what is put in during the process. Saying MDF is MDF is just like saying Cedar is Cedar or Wood is Wood. Both very flawed statements.

Oh and to stay on topic I really like these boxes. Since you guys are in the area I would love to check them out sometime. Any of the Atlanta crowd have them installed in their car that I could check out?

Sorry I haven't been able to reply. Between BSW taking off like a rocket and M3 motorwerks continuing to grow, I've been very pressed for time, so my replies are a little slow.

First, Seth, thanks for outlining more clearly what I was trying to say. Since you're in the wood business if I remember correctly, it would seem you've got a firmer grasp on the concept than the rest of us.
As for checking an enclosure out, we'd be happy to show you the enclosure that's in our own E36 vehicles (yes, we use the products we sell). Shoot me an e-mail directly at mdc@m3motorwerks.com.

I'm not sure when we'll be able to get together as not only have we launched a second business, but we're also in the process of moving to a bigger location with more office / warehouse space, but I'll see what we can arrange!

943184dr: Tom, we're working on a NUMBER of different enclosures at this time. However, you are right; even though it's in our plans, we are not currently engineering or designing an 12" enclosures at this time for several reasons. Primarily, we feel that 10" woofers provide more accurate reproduction due to a bigger frequency response range. And, we want to develop and finalize dual 10" solutions for our other primary market, the E46 sedan and coupe arena as well as the E39 sedan.

StealthBimmer: See above your post for a complete answer to that question.

giterdone: We are going to be making a video of installation and release shortly. so our customers can see how easy it really is. Thanks for the positive feedback. And yes, it certainly is oriented for those without access to a buddy's stereo shop. :)

Again, the specifications that the manufacturers have on their sites are so similar I do not really understand how you would be able to tell a difference in the real world. I did not say that all MDF was manufactured using the same materials or processes.

I would love to meet somebody that could listen to an audio system and say "well this box is constructed from Georgia-Pacific MDF while the last one was made using Temple".

Please.

Going by your logic, if indeed all MDF is the same, the only impact of BSW spending more on what we feel is a high quality MDF is that we take home less profit per enclosure. I'm a little unclear as to why this would bother you so much.

In any case, you may be right in that untrained listeners, like yourself ;) , wouldn't be able to hear a difference, especially with the resin-coating process we use. Those with discriminating ears, however, will be able to hear the difference in the quality of the MDF.

I'm sure you know a little bit about car audio. But I'd really appreciate it if you would stop making assumptions about a product that you've never seen, heard, or compared in any way shape or form. Without LISTENING to two versions of our enclosure, one built with higher grade MDF and one built with lower grade MDF in a controlled environment, you CANNOT legitimately claim there's no audible difference. It's being intellectually dishonest, and quite frankly, defamatory of our product and the care and time that's gone into its development and material selection.

Go troll somewhere else.