SupaBimma
11-02-2004, 04:05 AM
hey guys, i was wondering if there would be enough guys interested in a Edge motorworks gauge kit group buy? i am very interested in the kit but would like to buy it at a lower price than $409. thanks
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View Full Version : Edge Motorworks Gauge kit group buy? SupaBimma 11-02-2004, 04:05 AM hey guys, i was wondering if there would be enough guys interested in a Edge motorworks gauge kit group buy? i am very interested in the kit but would like to buy it at a lower price than $409. thanks Balthazarr 11-02-2004, 06:12 AM what about the Umnitza kit for $299? With a GB, can probably be had for less. SupaBimma 11-03-2004, 03:56 AM where is the umnitza kit? black_box 11-03-2004, 12:54 PM I think I PM'd umnitza or asked in a thread, but they aren't selling the gauge kit. If you notice, they've had the pre-order page up for over a year. SupaBimma 11-04-2004, 06:01 AM just my luck Erik@EDGE 11-04-2004, 09:31 PM Guys, get 10 people signed up and we'll sell them at $389 for the full kit (Oil Temp/Pressure/Water Temp) with Tstat housing, odb, etc. OR $369 for Oil Temp/Pressure/VoltMeter Customer may choose from AutoMeter or VDO Gauges. We can take care of the payment and everything directly. Let's say 10 people signed up by Friday the 12th of November? orlandoD 11-04-2004, 10:19 PM bump for a good kit. snk328is 11-04-2004, 10:38 PM I may be interested in this... 97 MPWR 11-05-2004, 09:36 AM me too...been meaning to add this kit for quite some time. m3 cabrio 11-05-2004, 03:13 PM I'm in! StealthBimmer 11-05-2004, 05:25 PM can we get cf autometer gauges? 95RogueM3 11-05-2004, 05:40 PM How hard is it to have an A/f Gauge hooked up? I might be interested in the oil temp, oil press, and A/F gauge kit in Carbon Fiber. Depending upon the cost of installing whatever sender is needed for the A/F sensor. -Richard M34sale 11-06-2004, 01:01 AM I'm interested in the Oil Temp/Pressure/VoltMeter kit Guys, get 10 people signed up and we'll sell them at $389 for the full kit (Oil Temp/Pressure/Water Temp) with Tstat housing, odb, etc. OR $369 for Oil Temp/Pressure/VoltMeter Customer may choose from AutoMeter or VDO Gauges. We can take care of the payment and everything directly. Let's say 10 people signed up by Friday the 12th of November? Bill 11-06-2004, 03:35 AM how many would be in for $300? cause I would! ???????? Erik@EDGE 11-06-2004, 12:05 PM I think we could do them at $300 if we had about 2500 orders....These kits aren't cheap parts-wise, and they take time to put together. Hornswoggler 11-06-2004, 12:52 PM Can I see a picture of the AutoMeter vs VDO Gauges? I can't tell which is which from the EDGE website. I would want whatever ones blend best into the dash. I don't want the white gauges. And let me get this straight: The group buy would only save $10 per set, right? I'm not complaining, just trying to get an idea of what this opportunity means. Thanks! SupaBimma 11-06-2004, 04:45 PM actually its roughly $20 savings, its not much but still its savings, if it was $379 shipped we'd probably get more buyers. I am definately in for the autometer white/alu ring kits for Oil temp, pressure, water temp. count me in. Balthazarr 11-06-2004, 05:24 PM I'll make up my own instead...bound to be a lot cheaper. jmargo 11-06-2004, 05:55 PM I'll make up my own instead...bound to be a lot cheaper. If you dont want to get in on the group buy thats cool. Just don't crap on its price. :nono By the time you gather all the parts, modify your sunglass holder(without the angle) and wire it you might save a couple bucks. But waste time. This kit if for the person who wants a complete package with a pre built wire harness. Ready to instal with the correct senders and a oil block. Heck I've seen the kit and the instal book that comes with it. Its so easy my kid could instal it. Hornswoggler 11-06-2004, 07:11 PM Count me in for the GB if it happens. Thanks! Soup Nazi 11-06-2004, 07:26 PM INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.. Has to be Air Fuel, Boost, Oil Temp... Let me know when it goes down! 1995red318i 11-06-2004, 11:11 PM is the price shipped? mcclaskz 11-07-2004, 04:16 PM I am very interested in temp/press/temp. Erik@EDGE 11-09-2004, 11:50 AM Thanks guys, you are almost there. Price is not shipped, unfortunately, shipping isn't cheap either as we go to great lengths to make sure they arrive in one piece. You can see the gauges at www.summitracing.com or egauges, just pick a style. The one that is closest to the factory look is the VDO Vision series. FWIW we make no money on the gauges, there simply isn't any margin in them. Keep in mind that NOBODY on the market has an angled face bezel to point the gauges at the driver. Without this feature, you can't see the Autometer Gauges. VDOs are OK because they have such a shallow bezel, but the deep bezel on the autometers means you have to have the angle or they are useless. I am travelling this week and will pull together all the confirmed folks next weekend. If we have hit the number, I will email you each individually to confirm which gauges you want, which order you want them in, shipping and payment info. Thanks snk328is 11-09-2004, 12:38 PM Will you guys be able to make a bezel that will fit in the slot where the factory radio goes in? Also, which brand gauge is the best? slcook54 11-09-2004, 01:16 PM I'm tentative. Mistermotorist 11-09-2004, 03:18 PM I have the Edge gauge set up with VDO oil temp, oil pressure and volts. I am very happy with the look, performance and peace of mind that I get by knowing what's up as far as my engoine is concerned. I paid retail and would have quite willingly participated in a GB! Erik@EDGE 11-10-2004, 02:10 AM The AutoMeters are less damped, i.e. they react more quickly. I also like their variety. VDOs are the closest match to factory, although the AutoMeter Z series are sweet also. I have a radio plate in my car, but its press fit, so they are not quite ready for prime time. SupaBimma 11-10-2004, 02:25 AM i like the autometer white/alu ring setup, looks very nice. any word up GB update? snk328is 11-10-2004, 09:23 PM The AutoMeters are less damped, i.e. they react more quickly. I also like their variety. VDOs are the closest match to factory, although the AutoMeter Z series are sweet also. I have a radio plate in my car, but its press fit, so they are not quite ready for prime time. I would prefer to have the gauges in the radio slot, because I will be using it for my race car (SCCA ITS/JP). So if I can be a beta tester for that bezel/plate when this group buy goes green, that would be great! As for the gauge choices, can we choose any VDO/Autometer gauges that we can see at http://www.egauges.com/vdo_main.asp or do we only have a choice between a specific VDO model and a specific Autometer model? mcclaskz 11-10-2004, 10:52 PM I second this kit for the radio slot. I would prefer VDO guages. Erik@EDGE 11-10-2004, 10:57 PM Any gauges are fine. Please keep in mind that we are optimized for either oil temp/oil press/water temp or oil temp/oil press/volt from a wiring harness, ODB perspective. We'll put any kit together for you (try that somewhere else). We will contact each of you individually to make sure we are meeting your needs. Any price variance we can discuss at that time. As for the Radio slot, That's what I have in my car, so it looks/works pretty well. I am not satisfied with the current quality for general availability, but I think we can rectify that pretty quickly. I will get on that next week. PacketPuppy 11-11-2004, 07:05 AM Erik, Count me in for the VDO Vision w/ oil temp/oil pressure/water temp. Thanks. nordique14 11-12-2004, 02:28 AM Here are some pics of my new gauges installed by Edge on Wed night. They are VDO water temp/oil temp/oil pressure. Very nice. Gordon at Edge is a great guy. This was my first experience with Edge and I can't say enough good things about them. Highly recommend them and the work they do. You won't be disappointed. PacketPuppy 11-12-2004, 02:31 AM Looks great... So can we call and get the GB rate now or do we have to wait? nordique14 11-12-2004, 02:42 AM I had an appointment setup before the group buy, so I'm not part of the GB. Wouldn't want to wait anyway. :) SupaBimma 11-12-2004, 03:56 AM im still up for it, any news? Hornswoggler 11-12-2004, 09:38 AM $10 ain't worth waiting around and the trouble of organizing. Just buy the stupid gauge kit at your own convenience. Seriously, what's $10? Erik@EDGE 11-12-2004, 11:57 AM Its $30. And I will be contacting each of you next week (prob monday) as I am travelling right now. We'll square on what you want and get it shipped or built if its more custom. The Radio Slot units will take 1-2 weeks to get right (this is a swag) and we'll work something special out for you guys as the cost is a little different (no sunglass holder, less assembly, etc) m3nomad 11-12-2004, 03:28 PM nordique14 mentioned getting the gauges installed at your shop. I'm in the Bay area and would be interested in this deal if I can get it installed. How much would that be? 97 MPWR 11-13-2004, 01:18 AM I think it's time for me to finally take the plunge...I've only wanted this setup for the last 3 years. Erik@EDGE 11-13-2004, 12:08 PM Well, it takes us 2-2.5 hours for install at $85 an hour (imagine what it will take you :) ). Not too enticing, so how about 1.5 hours or a rounded $125? 97MPWR, its about time! Look for PMs from me over the weekend and into next week. Thanks everyone for you interest! Thrasherlife 11-14-2004, 06:33 PM Well, it takes us 2-2.5 hours for install at $85 an hour (imagine what it will take you :) ). Not too enticing, so how about 1.5 hours or a rounded $125? 97MPWR, its about time! Look for PMs from me over the weekend and into next week. Thanks everyone for you interest! Is there any instructions I can take a look at for installation before purchasing? Since i'm in the bay area, if it is more than I want to get into I would just have them installed by you guys. Erik@EDGE 11-14-2004, 09:23 PM Still working on contacting you guys. Should be tomorrow. As for instructions, they are kinda proprietary also. Feel free to come by and I can let you look at them. Maybe Saturday for the dyno day? Thrasherlife 11-14-2004, 09:28 PM Still working on contacting you guys. Should be tomorrow. As for instructions, they are kinda proprietary also. Feel free to come by and I can let you look at them. Maybe Saturday for the dyno day? I might be able to do that. How long is this gb going to be open for? Erik@EDGE 11-14-2004, 09:32 PM I will honor the price for you and the other folks through the end of November. snk328is 11-15-2004, 10:58 AM Still working on contacting you guys. Should be tomorrow. As for instructions, they are kinda proprietary also. Feel free to come by and I can let you look at them. Maybe Saturday for the dyno day? I'm assuming that the kit will come with instructions, right? Erik@EDGE 11-15-2004, 11:21 AM You bet, 15 pages or so with pictures. Mad Dog 20/20 11-15-2004, 12:42 PM I want in. water/oil temps and oil pressure. White faces w/ alu bezels. :D Erik@EDGE 11-15-2004, 01:07 PM A couple of you have specified the AutoMeters with the Aluminum ring, but have stated "white faced" I just want to clarify that these are UltraLites and have a silver face, not white. They have a white faced series called "Phantom" but they have a black ring. Erik@EDGE 11-15-2004, 01:34 PM OK gents, I sent PMs to all those who expressed specific interest. M3Nomad and Thrasherforlife, you guys are locals who expressed interest and can call us/stop by directly. We'll honor the price. The folks who should have received a PM are: SNK328is 97MPWR M3Cabrio 95RogueM3 StealthBimmer M34Sale SupaBimma Hornswoggler SoupNazi McClaskz Slcook54 PacketPuppy M3Nomad Thrasherforlife MadDog20/20 If I missed anyone who is seriously interested, please send me an email at erik@edgemotorworks.com. As all of you contact me, get me your shipping address and phone number so we can call you to arrange payment. Thanks! Thrasherlife 11-15-2004, 08:19 PM Erik, I didn't recieve the PM, I think its because my sn is Thrasherlife not thrasherFORlife. Thanks Erik@EDGE 11-15-2004, 08:22 PM Erik, I didn't recieve the PM, I think its because my sn is Thrasherlife not thrasherFORlife. Thanks Sorry man, I didn't send you one, I figured you would at least want to see it in person, though I am happy to ship it if necessary. If you have time saturday, stop by our dyno day. We can talk more then! Thrasherlife 11-15-2004, 09:23 PM Its cool, I'll plan on stopping by on saturday. I gotta talk to the folks too, they may want to get me these as an x-mas present, if not I'll buy them myslef :) Erik@EDGE 11-17-2004, 05:19 PM BTT< most of you have responded and should be receiving ship dates soon if you haven't already. Thrasherlife 11-17-2004, 10:29 PM Hey Erik, Do you happen to have any picture of the Autometer Ultralite guages lit up? Or will I be able to see them on saturday? I can't seem to find pictures anywhere. Thanks Erik@EDGE 11-18-2004, 11:16 AM No problem, we can fire some up for you on Saturday, see you there! BMWManiac 11-18-2004, 04:22 PM Erik, how long are we keeping this opened...I want get be able to ship you my new aluminum T-stat housing when I purchase this because I still want the autometer guages and a 2 guage pod w/ autometer AFR/Boost. Erik@EDGE 11-18-2004, 04:38 PM We can work something out. When are you getting back? BMWManiac 11-19-2004, 04:05 AM December 20th for 2 weeks! :redspot :buttrock :alright StealthBimmer 11-19-2004, 10:18 AM just wondering, what would be the price of a vbo volt meter? Erik@EDGE 11-19-2004, 11:34 AM just wondering, what would be the price of a vbo volt meter? Just the voltmeter or the set with voltmeter instead of water temp? StealthBimmer 11-19-2004, 06:42 PM oil press/temp/volt autometer gauges and everything needed is 369?If so im down. how long would it be till i would get the gauges? Also, can i get the cobalt series? Mistermotorist 11-19-2004, 08:09 PM I stopped by Edge yesterday to pick something up I had purchased last month and noticed that the gauge panel production line was geared up and lookin' like they are cranking out the GB kits! Erik@EDGE 11-23-2004, 01:36 PM Stealthbimmer, The Cobalts are significantly more expensive (the gauges are) but we can put them together for you, email me for a quote. We have several kits shipping this week, if you haven't placed your order yet, you have until the end of November, please email me with your requests! StealthBimmer 11-23-2004, 05:37 PM well right now i might actually be getting a kit from a friend.i need an oil distribution block tho, how much do those run? Erik@EDGE 11-23-2004, 05:40 PM ODB, with banjo bolt and crush washers is $90. The bolt is freakin $8 so we aren't even marking that up. Steve@Edge 11-28-2004, 01:38 PM If you dont want to get in on the group buy thats cool. Just don't crap on its price. :nono By the time you gather all the parts, modify your sunglass holder(without the angle) and wire it you might save a couple bucks. But waste time. This kit if for the person who wants a complete package with a pre built wire harness. Ready to instal with the correct senders and a oil block. Heck I've seen the kit and the instal book that comes with it. Its so easy my kid could instal it. That's saying alot... because you got a DUMB KID. ... :D Steve Erik@EDGE 11-28-2004, 04:27 PM Nice talk... snk328is 11-29-2004, 01:36 PM How's the radio slot thing going? Erik@EDGE 11-29-2004, 02:03 PM Unfortunately a little slower than expected. We needed to make a new mold for the other style and that coupled with the other volume of orders has added some time. Should be something we are working on this week though. We will keep you up to date! snk328is 11-29-2004, 04:00 PM Thanks for the update. mcclaskz 12-01-2004, 11:46 PM I am still interested in the radio slot too.... Erik@EDGE 12-02-2004, 11:37 AM OK gents, last chance for this pricing, if you haven't confirmed your order, please email me TODAY as this GB is closing. SNK and Mclask, you guys are cool, the radio slot thing is in the works, may be a week or two, but we are working on a slick solution. Your pricing will hold. Erik@EDGE 12-06-2004, 09:14 PM Radio slot is still in the works, tried out one design this weekend in Gordon's car, seems to be working, though its a bit ugly at the moment. There are still a couple of guys who wanted the gauges that haven't yet paid, please contact us at the shop, they kits are boxed and ready to go. Thanks! Thrasherlife 12-06-2004, 10:36 PM Hey Erik, Do you know when shipments are going out? I recieved a tracking number from DHL but they are saying they haven't recieved the package yet. Thanks Jason Thrasher Hornswoggler 12-11-2004, 01:07 AM Just finished the install on mine tonight and it looks great!!! Can't wait to see it in action! Install wasn't too bad. Toughest part for me was the grommet at the firewall... just had to give it some good tugs! It's just hard to really work with. I'll try to take some pics this week! Thanks again! Erik@EDGE 12-11-2004, 01:24 AM Great stuff, glad it went well for you!! toopercentmlk 12-11-2004, 04:13 AM so if we seriously get 2500 people together its good to go for $300 right? Erik@EDGE 12-11-2004, 11:45 AM so if we seriously get 2500 people together its good to go for $300 right? You bet! Thrasherlife 12-12-2004, 04:31 AM Ahh...after 9 hours of work its finally done (note I am extremely novice). Had a few trials and tribulations. Gordon wasn't kidding about that grommet...what a B**ch...spent 2 hours on that alone :eek:. After that I realized I didn't have the 24mm nor the 32mm combi wrench (doh! should have checked that before i started...like i said...novice). That 32mm combi wernch was a pain to find, went to three stores and finally found it at sears. After that everything went fine. I also changed the thermostat per Gordon's reccomendation and also did a coolant flush. Last problem I ran into was I had pulled off one of the radiator hoses to get the fan on/off and forgot to hook it back up :eek:...Now for those that don't know...this is very very bad. I ended up sparying 2 gallons of coolant an water all over my engine bay, luckily i noticed before i had driven too far and was able to get a family member to bring me more coolant and water (Definitely could have been worse). Ahh...what a long day. Now that the guages are in and working, I realized that i don't know what the "normal" operating ranges should be. Anyone have any ideas? I'll try to post pics later. Jason Thrasher BMWManiac 12-12-2004, 04:39 AM so is there a place on line that sells this combination wrench...bavauto maybe? Thrasherlife 12-12-2004, 06:09 AM you can find them from craftsman...i'm sure there are plenty of places you could get it from online...the 32mm just isn't a common size for stores to carry i guess. Most of the places I went to had 30mm max. Steve@Edge 12-12-2004, 09:25 AM Ahh...after 9 hours of work its finally done (note I am extremely novice). Had a few trials and tribulations. Gordon wasn't kidding about that grommet...what a B**ch...spent 2 hours on that alone :eek:. After that I realized I didn't have the 24mm nor the 32mm combi wrench (doh! should have checked that before i started...like i said...novice). That 32mm combi wernch was a pain to find, went to three stores and finally found it at sears. After that everything went fine. I also changed the thermostat per Gordon's reccomendation and also did a coolant flush. Last problem I ran into was I had pulled off one of the radiator hoses to get the fan on/off and forgot to hook it back up :eek:...Now for those that don't know...this is very very bad. I ended up sparying 2 gallons of coolant an water all over my engine bay, luckily i noticed before i had driven too far and was able to get a family member to bring me more coolant and water (Definitely could have been worse). Ahh...what a long day. Now that the guages are in and working, I realized that i don't know what the "normal" operating ranges should be. Anyone have any ideas? I'll try to post pics later. Jason Thrasher Oil pressure should be from 15-25 (idle, warm) to 55-60psi (hot, WOT). Oil temp should be from 120 (10 or so minutes of driving) to 180-210degrees F (car fully warm, 210 would be after hard driving (ala track, a few autocross runs). Water temp should be about the same as oil, will heat up to around 210degrees and sit there. Hope this helps. Steve Edit: And is your last name really Thrasher? Because if so, that's a pretty awesome last name. Thrasherlife 12-12-2004, 10:33 PM Oil pressure should be from 15-25 (idle, warm) to 55-60psi (hot, WOT). Oil temp should be from 120 (10 or so minutes of driving) to 180-210degrees F (car fully warm, 210 would be after hard driving (ala track, a few autocross runs). Water temp should be about the same as oil, will heat up to around 210degrees and sit there. Hope this helps. Steve Edit: And is your last name really Thrasher? Because if so, that's a pretty awesome last name. Thanks Steve, I found that after having all the cooling lines hooked up right and having the right amount of coolant my water temp leveled off at about 190 so that sounds good. Oh and yes, my last name really is Thrasher :buttrock Steve@Edge 12-13-2004, 11:58 AM Thanks Steve, I found that after having all the cooling lines hooked up right and having the right amount of coolant my water temp leveled off at about 190 so that sounds good. Oh and yes, my last name really is Thrasher :buttrock Rock on man, Rock on... :buttrock 97 MPWR 12-14-2004, 02:18 PM Any pics of this installed guys? I won't get to mine until the week after X-mas. snk328is 12-14-2004, 02:27 PM Just wondering what the progress on the radio slot is looking like... No rush, just wondering... Jim O. 12-19-2004, 05:06 PM That 32mm combi wernch was a pain to find, went to three stores and finally found it at sears. If you can't find a 32mm wrench, you can also use a 1.25" (inch-and-a-quarter, 1 1/4") SAE wrench. Might be easier to find, if your local tool places are limited in their selection of metric stuff. Jim 318daily 12-20-2004, 09:45 PM If you can't find a 32mm wrench, you can also use a 1.25" (inch-and-a-quarter, 1 1/4") SAE wrench. Might be easier to find, if your local tool places are limited in their selection of metric stuff. Jim Most bicycle stores should have a slim 32mm wrench. I use the one from my bicycle tool kit :buttrock snk328is 12-20-2004, 09:49 PM .Just wondering what the progress on the radio slot is looking like... No rush, just wondering... Erik@EDGE 12-21-2004, 04:55 PM Still plugging away. We have the panel done, at least the prototype, but getting the darned thing to firmly stay in place and yet still be removable without breaking the panel is a serious PITA. snk328is 12-21-2004, 05:27 PM Still plugging away. We have the panel done, at least the prototype, but getting the darned thing to firmly stay in place and yet still be removable without breaking the panel is a serious PITA. Thanks for the update! Hornswoggler 12-30-2004, 01:22 PM Pics as promised: http://home.alltel.net/cmizeur/images/gauges3-net.jpg http://home.alltel.net/cmizeur/images/gauges1-net.jpg The gauges work and look great! Very happy with them! Thanks again! Erik@EDGE 01-03-2005, 10:10 PM GREAT PICS! Glad you are happy! Also, SNK and others...We have finally (after several different tries) designed a mounting method and re-cast a new gauge holder for the Radio Slot. We will be molding a pre-production version in the morning and should have some pics later this week. It is super trick! Should be ready to go to you guys by end of month at the latest. snk328is 01-04-2005, 12:44 AM GREAT PICS! Glad you are happy! Also, SNK and others...We have finally (after several different tries) designed a mounting method and re-cast a new gauge holder for the Radio Slot. We will be molding a pre-production version in the morning and should have some pics later this week. It is super trick! Should be ready to go to you guys by end of month at the latest. Thanks, looking forward to it! braindamage 01-04-2005, 01:52 AM Is the group buy still on? What is the final price and Erik, what will shipping be to Canada (Toronto, Ontario)? Thanks! I guess we are about 2000 people short for the $300.00 price... :D Erik@EDGE 01-05-2005, 06:27 PM The GB has been over for a while, standard pricing is on our website, check it out and give us a call or drop me an email if you have any questions! Thanks! Erik@EDGE 01-06-2005, 12:29 PM Pictures will be up later today, but the first batch of pre-production units are complete. We are waiting on some of the mounting screws that will be in on Friday, but otherwise, we have several ready to ship. Please contact Gordon at the shop to set up your order at the special pre-production pricing. 925.479.0797 Thanks! snk328is 01-06-2005, 02:10 PM Pictures will be up later today, but the first batch of pre-production units are complete. We are waiting on some of the mounting screws that will be in on Friday, but otherwise, we have several ready to ship. Please contact Gordon at the shop to set up your order at the special pre-production pricing. 925.479.0797 Thanks! Left a voicemail on the machine just now... tomas3314 06-23-2005, 08:31 PM ANY way to revive this group buy? Really want a VDO gauge kit. :( :help Or a one time special price..lol :) eXpLiCiT 02-11-2006, 07:41 AM Any chance of getting this group buy going again? Erik@EDGE 02-11-2006, 10:45 AM Sorry folks, the last "group" buy concluded with exactly ONE order. That was after a dozen or so people said they were in. Due to the expansion of our shop and because we are so busy (thankfully!!) we can no longer offering our gauge kits. If you absolutely, positively have to have one, call us...we can work something out. Erik@EDGE 02-11-2006, 10:45 AM Sorry folks, the last "group" buy concluded with exactly ONE order. That was after a dozen or so people said they were in. Due to the expansion of our shop and because we are so busy (thankfully!!) we can no longer offering our gauge kits. If you absolutely, positively have to have one, call us...we can work something out. mazur 02-11-2006, 11:40 AM But you guys made the best one...why stop? eXpLiCiT 02-12-2006, 01:57 AM Damn, after sourcing out the parts and adding everything up it comes out to about the same price you guys were selling the kit for. Looks like I'll be calling you guys on Monday. Its a shame you no longer offer them. |