I will try to keep this post as polite and mature as possible....but please understand the rage coming from a person who was jipped

You know, I, along with many of you others out there, went ape-shit when I heard for a small price (of 200) I can have the 5 series 'angel eyes' in my wannabe 3 series. Excited and ecstatic I jumped on the deal, specially after reading over and over of how this "Jim Powell" is the next best thing in bmw tuning, and how trusted he is, and how Angelic he is. Two months later, I get this small plastic bag, with these four measley rings, bunch of wire, and some LED's. I ignored all the comments made by the people around me when I opened it, and told them its worth every penny when I was told how much of and idiot i am to pay over $350CAn for this shit...
After spending a couple hours installing and wiring, turned out the wiring instructions were given wrong, and it had to be redone...did it over and over again, untill it finally worked. squinting my eyes I could barely see these fuqin things!
after complaining a little, I was told if I FILE the rings, I might get a little more light output. So being the idiot that I am, I spent several more hours, taking everything apart again, and filing. file file file, and then re-install. and still no improvement.
Several months later, I hear for $150..3/4 of the original price, i can UPGRADE my lights to have what I was PROMISED for the DE's.
You know why I'm angry?
Because I was lied to . I was promised 5 series angel eyes, and I got a kit that looks as if it was constructed by a 5 year old.
Because I feel I shouldn't have to pay another 150, to 'upgrade'. I feel JIM POWEL..the mastermind behind this whole deal, should of thought of this before. I feel Jim Powell should recognize his DE's were a failure; I am angry because he sold them knowing that. as a "Buisiness man" he should take this responsibility and either give a refund , or at least exchange the old DE's for the DDE's: The promised product.
The reason I am making this public is because I am personally very upset at this whole ordeal, and I want the opinions of the rest of you. maybe I am wrong, please let me know.
I knew INPro's were coming out at around 350 at the time of purchasing the DE's, but I bought the DE's thinking it was a real product.

well, I do know that it was very clear that they would not be as bright as the 540's during the day. So, Im not sure if maybe you didnt read the reviews of it, or something, but in his defence, it was always known that they wouldnt be as bright as OE 540 halos.

maybe your rite. but In my defence I never saw anywhere saying *warning, you can not see these during the day, or night..for that matter. :rolleyes: :mad:

I kinda second that, I never know the rings are Totally invisible
in the day time, we never saw a picture how bad it was from
jim...I also spent hours and hours to do the filing hoped they can
be visible a bit in the day time...but ended up even worse after
lower ohm resistors are installed (the lights don't go down to the
bottom of the rings)

regarding to the dde, honestly, I really doubt what will it look like
again. Some people say it will be bright enough to visible in the
day time, some say it won't be similar to OE 5 sers ones. Jim has
never installed a kit on an E36 and take pics to show me, I have
no idea how bright they will be...If the upgrade kit is well under
$100, it is worth a try and buy it from jim. However, now they
are handed to Omnitec, a store which I never dealt with before...I
am kinda thinking should I buy it or not.

some people probably think I am acting like a jackass and will tell
me "go away, and don't buy it then"....but hey, I am a customer
too, I should have the right to know what I am buying
here...even though we trust jim a lot....

you know I have alot of respect for JP. He puts in alot of time as a moderator, helps people all teh time, and brings some humor on the board.
But as far as buisiness, I treat buisiness transactions ..JUST LIKE buisiness transaction. its freinships aside, and all concerns go toward making sure its 'fair'. I pesonally think we gave him our trust, and the overall deal turned out un-JUST.

..and what makes me furious is pople thanking him. 'thanks jim, you didnt have to, but you did,thank you thank you thank you...EDITED"
again, excuse my language.

but come on people, get real, wake up and smell the cofee.
Jim, feel free to say something in your defense. I am, but a confused consumer who feels jipped. Please enlighten me.

You did buy them when it was still in the testing phase knowing completly they were not done yet and were still a work in progress

If you cant risk it you have to be like the cautious people and buy it after its 100% done and see how people like them - THEN decide if you want them


and well I dont know how your daytime is but unless its overcast or an eclipse I dont expect people to be able to see them unless it has some very high wattage light hooked up to it.. I cant see 5 series halos during the day.. only dusk or night

Did you ask for the yellow LEDs or the more white? If you have bright white lights.. how would you expect to be able to see them at night? Unless you have only your parking lights on they should get sort of drowned out..

anyway.. this is just what I personally think..

I havent seen or touched one of his kits.. there are hardly anybody with ellipsoids here in houston

I think the real problem is the dim LEDs that were used in the kit. I've got OEM 5er rings in mine with Photon LEDs from http://www.action-electronics.com/leds.htm They're very bright, much brighter than BMLRacer's Demon Eyes. You could pick up 2 or 4 of their LEDs to test with instead of investing $50 in a set of 8.

I hope Jim doesn't mind me throwing this picture up..

http://www.apexcone.com/Lighting/DemonEyes/DDE/DDEParts/DSC00043.JPG

You can see the thread he posted it at on BimmerMods.com, just go here (http://www.bimmermods.com/forums/uploads/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1235)

Looks good to me :) If you are still wary as a buyer, then let some other people buy theirs and post up pictures of how it looks.

I agree with SS318 - you bought at a time when the product was still experimental. Maybe you should go with bimmer95's suggestion of stronger LEDs? All in all, I think the DDEs will be a great product. Hopefully some people will have some 'product reviews' up for us in a couple of weeks.

well, sometimes pictures lies...
here is a picture taken around 3 o'clock, and it is not gloomy...
my DE is pretty bright in the picture, but I surely cannot see them
at all in person ...

I know some people will defend jim...but back when december,
he limited the amount of DE and set a deadline...for sure people
may have a bit rush to pay jim...
also, I browsed DTM day and night, but I never saw jim raised the
issue or warning us that the rings are in very beta version that
cannot be visible in day time...

On DTM?

You can thank the DTM mods.. He is banned on DTM so you more then likely didnt get as much info as here...

jim disappeared in DTM and we had no idea what was going on.
it was a mystery until someone finally asked where the hell are
the updates for the DE...

that's not the main point...but somehow, when some people from
other forums come and ask jim da questions, you guys likely to
say "go use the search, jim cannot answer that many questions"
I bet no one has that much time to look every single thread and
remember, you cannot search 3 words (DDE) in the search engine
I sure jim would like us to post it here instead of flooding his email
...umm...that's the impression BF.C gave me...

You can search DDE by adding a wildcard to the end of it.. DDE*



http://bimmerforums.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=43871&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending


or
http://bimmerforums.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=43873&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending



Thread: Please vote if you will be buying Daylight Demon Eyes
Post: DE's are Demon Eyes. They use very bright LED's t
Preview: DE's are Demon Eyes. They use very bright LED's to light up the rings. But even with the brightest LED's, they aren't visible in bright sunlight. The sun just overpowers them.

All I can say is that the purpse of DE's was to duplicate what everyone else was getting when they copied Jon Sibal's car. There were lots of other cars out with the same LED setup. I even used the same LEDs. I had the thing on my car and people liked it just fine. I guess since you never saw the things in person you had no idea. But hen again, I never much thought about having my parking lights on in broad daylight in the first place.

You aren't happy, probably never will be and there's not much I can do about it. The kit has the same brightness as all the cars advertised when it came out.

I certainly hope you don't buy the new kit until you've seen it in person somewhere.

It really doesn't matter much to me. The kit does EXACTLY what it was meant to do. Give everyone the same look kit as Jon Sibal's car for shitloads less than buying BMW headlamps. Plus you didn't have to look around for parts all over town and figure out how to install them the way I did.

The new kit has a different purpose. To match the 5 Series. As soon as I get more parts I'll instll a complete set into Chase265's car and park it next to a 5 series for photos.

Please do not buy a kit until you've seen it.

Again, I never promised anything but a duplicate of my own setup. If you thought the price was outrageous, you can try and recoup all of the mold costs and material costs on a couple of hundred kits. Good freaking luck.

No good deed goes unpunished I guess. Thanks for your understanding. Or not.

PS: The picture shown above is with original rings. These are not what will be in new or upgrade kits. Totally new rings are included that are about 50% brighter.

Plus instead of 2.5 watts of LED light, the rings are illuminated by a 35 watt halogen bulb.

But don't draw any conclusions. Wait for a real life sighting, please. I really don't need abuse for spending weeks working on this and spending hours a day at the keyboard to make minimum wage at it.

Somebody make me an offer for the business. I can play golf instead.

if the trade-in program can do it anytime, I definitely will wait until
someone post some pictures...:D

Originally posted by jsp98m3


Somebody make me an offer for the business. I can play golf instead.

You could always sell them to golf courses for night golf.. Rig up the DEs to go around the golf hole... You could even put a color wheel in between the light and the fiber optic to have the golf hole changing color for the disco nights

Originally posted by jsp98m3
Somebody make me an offer for the business. I can play golf instead.
Don't worry about it Jim. Salar's never happy, he always wants things brighter....... or bigger :awink:

Yeah but why not gripe when it's first installed and get a refund? I feel like a retroactive abortion :(



PPS: The purpse of getting a cutoff date was so I could get all the material bought. I had to cut it off so I knew how much to buy and get he factory to make them before Christmas.

Just like with every other thread, people come in after the thread has grown by 5 pages that dsay, don't want to read through it all to catch up and find out what is going on.

I get the same questions over and over, proving that most people either don't read the threads or don't understand what was communicated.

You know Stockman, I dont blame you for your un-educated opinion. Many people alike were all lied to, and were somehow convinced that they should be lucky to have such a thing, myself included. But you, dont even have a set, and havent even seen one.. soooo....
You raised a debatable point tho: Experimental stage. You know, in my theory, there is no such thing as an EXPERIMENTAL STAGE. When something like this is being MASS PRODUCED TO PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD (that DONT HAVE access to SEEING BEFORE BUYING...I'll discuss this later), there is no such thing. you either have a finished product that is worthy, or its a failure (guess which it was). If anything, it should have been EXPERIMENTED in his garage.EDITED

How can I see before I buy. I am one of the three people on the Northern west coast who got this. Furthermore, I was forced to rush rush rush, and give him payment immediately..or else..

I'm sorry, but thats just plain fucking ridiculous. you know, Mr. Powel, no one ASKED you to do this, you wilingly took the job, and promised a duplicate of the 5 series look. EDITED. Summary: no one bent your arm to make this, if you take the role of producing, you should have done it right.

Jim is a successful buisiness man. a buisiness man is one who can think of all kinds of differnt ideas, produce them, convince people to buy them, and persuade them the product is worth every penny. I envy Jim for his talent; EDITED. but upset that IMO he used this talent against his own community


and Chris, dude I had alot of respect for you; You dont know anything about me (..especially about something like that ...you know what I'm saying) and you try and judge me. That cant be respected. :embarrasm

I apologise if my posts are getting personal. I dont mean to take personal shots; all i am asking is the people that were rushed to get the first (experimental as you like to call it) kit, should get a relief. or at least an exchange. If I understand correctly the DDE is a complete new kit (?) . why not put up a core charge, we'll buy the new one, but let us send this back. so the upgrade would only be like..50. I think thats fair.
opinions?

this is being moved to the dealer section.

Salar, as stated in response to your PM. Please send your kit back. I'll send you a refund the day it comes in by whatever method suits you.

The same remedy you could have gotten from day 1. I'm sorry it has been an unpleasant experience for you.

Dude, just sell them!! I've seen most original kits go for $250 at DTM and on E-bay. It'll be a little harder to sell now but it's worth a try. If they don't sell, Jim will still give you your money back.
I also thought the DDE would cost more than than $350 (to the general public) since it's a considerable upgrade from the DE's. It would also make selling the DE's alot easier if the DDE's were say $450. I'm sure there are people out there who are willing to save $100 to get the look only at night.

I've read EVERY post about these things here and at DTM and he never promised they would be as bright at the 5-series lights, which wasn't a big deal to me since I don't plan on driving with them on during the day.

Jim has offered to give you your money back more than one time in this thread. I expect you to go back and edit out the personal insults in all of your posts or I WILL DO IT FOR YOU. I will not allow this forum to be reduced to a place for hurling insults. Jim has gone above and beyond what any other tuner would do if you installed a part on the car and you didn't like it. Read the fine print next time you buy something, 99% of people will tell you that installed parts can not and will not be returnable. Jim sold the part exactly as advertised. Stylin and Bimmer95 both posted reports on how to make them brighter. Maybe you should have done more research before rushing to buy.

Go back and fix your posts. Anyone else who feels that they too have brought this to a personal level, go fix your posts. I'll reread this tonight and if stuff isn't fixxed, I'll start fixxing it.

Brian

Originally posted by BMLRacer
Jim has offered to give you your money back more than one time in this thread. I expect you to go back and edit out the personal insults in all of your posts or I WILL DO IT FOR YOU. I will not allow this forum to be reduced to a place for hurling insults. Jim has gone above and beyond what any other tuner would do if you installed a part on the car and you didn't like it. Read the fine print next time you buy something, 99% of people will tell you that installed parts can not and will not be returnable. Jim sold the part exactly as advertised. Stylin and Bimmer95 both posted reports on how to make them brighter. Maybe you should have done more research before rushing to buy.

Go back and fix your posts. Anyone else who feels that they too have brought this to a personal level, go fix your posts. I'll reread this tonight and if stuff isn't fixxed, I'll start fixxing it.

Brian

Yeah, what he said.... except that I am not a moderator so I can't edit posts.

Jim, I think it is safe to say that the majority of us appreciate the work that you have put into this project. Hang in there.

I personally think this thread is inappropriate and degrading towards Jim. The Demon eyes started out on this message board and we have had an inside look on what Jim does and how he does it. Everyone on this board who had interest in this product had a choice to get in on it or not. The other side was to make your own angel eyes either via purchasing 5-series light and gutting them or doing what Jim did. All of this started way before there were any production angel eyes available(those fugly ones in germany, in-pro or whatever the company's name was.) There is no excuse whatsoever in saying, they are not bright enough, or you don't like them. Make your own and be happy if that's what it will take, or buy the ones from a "proven" manufacturer. It took a lot of innovation and time on Jim's part to build something like this, and I think everyone is more then thankful for Jim's time. In addition to the "cool" factor, you get an insight into the works of it. I think Jim has gone way beyond being kind and fair to everyone. The point of this post is that some people are never satisfied. This is not an attack on anyone and please do not take it that way.

There aren't a lot of people who have talent and energy necessary for the type of work Jim does. So now that I am finished with this post, everyone lets give Jim a hand !!! :clap:

Thanks Jim

Originally posted by Alibabajun
I will try to keep this post as polite and mature as possible....but please understand the rage coming from a person who was jipped

You know, I, along with many of you others out there, went ape-shit when I heard for a small price (of 200) I can have the 5 series 'angel eyes' in my wannabe 3 series. Excited and ecstatic I jumped on the deal, specially after reading over and over of how this "Jim Powell" is the next best thing in bmw tuning, and how trusted he is, and how Angelic he is. Two months later, I get this small plastic bag, with these four measley rings, bunch of wire, and some LED's. I ignored all the comments made by the people around me when I opened it, and told them its worth every penny when I was told how much of and idiot i am to pay over $350CAn for this shit...
After spending a couple hours installing and wiring, turned out the wiring instructions were given wrong, and it had to be redone...did it over and over again, untill it finally worked. squinting my eyes I could barely see these fuqin things!
after complaining a little, I was told if I FILE the rings, I might get a little more light output. So being the idiot that I am, I spent several more hours, taking everything apart again, and filing. file file file, and then re-install. and still no improvement.
Several months later, I hear for $150..3/4 of the original price, i can UPGRADE my lights to have what I was PROMISED for the DE's.
You know why I'm angry?
Because I was lied to . I was promised 5 series angel eyes, and I got a kit that looks as if it was constructed by a 5 year old.
Because I feel I shouldn't have to pay another 150, to 'upgrade'. I feel JIM POWEL..the mastermind behind this whole deal, should of thought of this before. I feel Jim Powell should recognize his DE's were a failure; I am angry because he sold them knowing that. as a "Buisiness man" he should take this responsibility and either give a refund , or at least exchange the old DE's for the DDE's: The promised product.
The reason I am making this public is because I am personally very upset at this whole ordeal, and I want the opinions of the rest of you. maybe I am wrong, please let me know.
I knew INPro's were coming out at around 350 at the time of purchasing the DE's, but I bought the DE's thinking it was a real product.


STFU...Next time drop 1800 to do an angel eye conversion...

"I got a kit that looks as if it was constructed by a 5 year old. "

If you can do better...by all means...enlighten us...oh you can't...

And seriously.. how do u even expect to see WHITE LEDs being lit up in pure white day light?? Arent we all the college grads.. :rolleyes:

I cant see mine during the day either.. u know why.. COZ THEY'RE WHITE LIGHTS!!! U could of very well ordered the yellow LEDs which Im sure u can see during the DAY...

Im pretty happy with my angels now with these LEDs... not to say I wouldnt mind Jim's DDE conversion one of these days in the future.

I really cant believe the intelligence these days.

why don't we just stop this ridiclous debate here...
DE was new stuffs to us, we don't know much about the quality of
them when Jim released them to us, that's a disadvantage of
internet purchase, I was somehow kinda disappointed too...

but hey, jim said will do the refunding (is it)? and he spent his
lesure time to develop the kit, we should give him a clap instead
of flaming.

I used to sell Bosch Ellipsoid for low $300 a set, which other
places were selling at $400+ still, people flamed me becoz I didn't
included the wires and H1 bulbs which costed less than $20. I
was at Jim's situation too, sometime, I would rather satisfy the
customers other than argue with them.

If anyone doesn't like the DE, just sell it...
If anyone wanna buy DDE without a risk, just wait for awhile until
someone posts some pictures of it

Hi guys. I wish we could all be friends in this stuff. If you don't like somethng I've ever sold you, you can always send it back. I hope this blows over.

Hell, some people out there even have full refunds from me and I sent them product too. How dumb of me is that? :)

It's not about money. If you don't like something, just write or ask nicely. I'm about as reasonable as people get. So Salar, whatever it takes to make you happy, let me know. If you'd said something to me 3 months ago, I'd have given you your money back then too. Or today. Whatever.

...

How can I see before I buy. I am one of the three people on the Northern west coast who got this. Furthermore, I was forced to rush rush rush, and give him payment immediately..or else..

You were forced to do nothing. Who twisted your arm to buy these? Nobody.. You could have and still have the opportunity to buy some 5 series headlights.. cut them to pieces and hope you didnt break the necessary pieces to do them



You know Stockman, I dont blame you for your un-educated opinion.
I'm sorry.. I am some how uneducated in my opinion simply for stating facts?


I'm sorry, but thats just plain fucking ridiculous. you know, Mr. Powel, no one ASKED you to do this

I remember MANY people asking him to do this..


1. if your gona take 'such a painful role in MAKING MONEY', then quit your whining and get it done, properly.

Okay.. to meet your expectations he will need an additional $5000. No whining... Just supplying you with something which still wont meet your expectations..



But I'm furious that he used this against his own community.

I'm at a loss here.. how has he done something against the community?






Have you actually gone and looked at a REAL 5 series during the day? Do they light up the ground and blind you during the day?


I bet you wouldnt even be complaining if he never came out with an improvement. How many companies even allow you to upgrade your existing parts to newer without buying ALL new?



this thread is just wrong.. Did you ever call up one of the suppliers and ask about getting your money back? did you ever email him or PM him to ask him?
Instead you just get on here insulting people?

Originally posted by jsp98m3
Hi guys. I wish we could all be friends in this stuff. If you don't like somethng I've ever sold you, you can always send it back. I hope this blows over.

Hell, some people out there even have full refunds from me and I sent them product too. How dumb of me is that? :)

It's not about money. If you don't like something, just write or ask nicely. I'm about as reasonable as people get. So Salar, whatever it takes to make you happy, let me know. If you'd said something to me 3 months ago, I'd have given you your money back then too. Or today. Whatever.

i wish there were more people like you around the world. it would be a much better place. :)

Alibabajun,

I expect that you'll be taking care of what I asked of you VERY soon. Otherwise I am going to delete ALL of your posts in this thread. Get the personal garbage out.

Brian

I myself am not mad especially at Jim,my problem is
1 I bought a kit in Dec. did not receive it till Feb.
2 It was installed the next day I received it and from that point was very unhappy, look at it like this step outside of the bickering and look at the pictures used to advertise DE and feel free to meet up with me and we will compare and see if there is any comparison, I emailed Jim immediatly and he was already aware of the problem (i must not have been the only dissapointed customer)told me he was working on something new etc...etc...
3 I was also told since I was in the original purchase I was going to get special consideration on pricing, yet it cost me the same to buy the eyes now than it does to some one who is buying for the first time....THAT IS MY MAJOR PROBLEM. I do not feel that this is jim's fault but more of OMNI fault.
4 I dealt with Jim, paid Jim, received my eyes from Jim, why do I need to deal with Omni? and if so why not extend the same courtesy that Jim had offered to us?
and
5 last but not least the insult on both sides of the table, not to many people here know me and the ones who do not please do not judge me or any one else for expressing there feelings.

Jim I am sorry if I have aggrevaited you in any way but If you look at my posts regarding this issue you will see that I never placed blame on you. I was just expressing my opinion to all the members whether they agreed with me or not.

One last thing for all of you who told me to sell my car and buy a Honda because I could not afford the dde's I am still going to pay the upgrade just not as happy as I wanted to do so.


Juan

Originally posted by butterm3
3 I was also told since I was in the original purchase I was going to get special consideration on pricing, yet it cost me the same to buy the eyes now than it does to some one who is buying for the first time....THAT IS MY MAJOR PROBLEM. I do not feel that this is jim's fault but more of OMNI fault.

Then perhaps you should be directing more frustrated energy towards Omnitec directly. We're all very aware that Jim has a very strong presence on this board, Omnitec on the other hand does not. Is it not obvious by now that pricing is out of Jim's hands?


4 I dealt with Jim, paid Jim, received my eyes from Jim, why do I need to deal with Omni? and if so why not extend the same courtesy that Jim had offered to us?

As stated in a previous post it boils down to a few key items, including bookeeping and manpower.

I thought all along that I was directing my unsatisfaction at the distributors and not at Jim.....



Juan

I'm not saying who you are and who you are not satisfied with, I'm just saying you're voicing your opinion in a forum that would be more considered Jim's "domain" if you will than Omnitec's.

If you have issues that need to be addressed, your interests would best be served by contacting the distributor directly whether it be Omnitec or some other company.

I understand what you are trying to tell me but if you and everyone else read my post correctly you would see that I have explained numerous times that I am not directing anything towards Jim more towards the whole community to receive feedback. I am voicing my opinion in a forum.
I think everybody should really take the time and read peoples post throughly since I think the message of the poster is somehow changed in the person reading the post. the most direct example of this is all the repetative questions asked from dde I to dde M.

One question that I hope someone can answer for me and it would maybe change my mind about this whole thing, for the people that bought de from omni at $349 what is the deal with there upgrade?

Juan

First: I am new at this forum...

Second: I am running an automobile tuning shop in Germany.

I would like to thank Jim for his great work! Here in Germany we have only the ones from In.pro., which are not the same quality than Jims. Or you have to do it by yourself.

I can understand, that some of you are not happy, because of the new rings, which are offered by Jim.
But is it not the same procedure as everything? You bought something and now there is a better version or someone can sell it to you at a better price. In Germany we have a word, "you have to die one death", which means, that you cannot have all at once!

I think its good, that you can sell in the rings against the new ones. I don't know, what Jim & the retailers will do with them (new sellers will have the new rings, the old ones can only be sold by a very low price, i think).

I don't know, if Jim has some other work than inventing DDEs and answering questions in this (and other forums). I can't believe it, that he has so much time, to stay in this forum!!!!
In Germany, there would be no response from a producer. They would tear this product down, if they get so much response....
They wouldn't do all that, because time is money.

So I would recommend, to be patient. I trust in Jim, to do all he can, to satisfy all customers.

Sorry for my english, but I don't work with it everyday!

Best regards,

Christian Fraenkel Motorsports
www.fraenkel-motorsport.de

Your trade-in rings are most likely going to be put in storage and never used unless Omnitec can come up with an unrelated use. Or there may be some sort of firesale. Don't know.

All I can say is that the reason they are being requested to be turned in is to ensure that you are a valid owner, not just someone trying to get the at-cost upgrade pkg. Since many kits have been resold neither I nor Omnitec knows for certain who all of the original owners are.

If kits are reconstituted and sold at firesale prices they will not be eligible for an upgrade program that does not have a trade-in price at or above everyone else's.

There is only one group of people that will pay less than others. Test Mules. People who let me experiment on their cars can trade their kits in also. Since they paid nothing for the original kit, I guess they will get the best deals.

For those of you that enjoy irony, consider that since my car has been in the shop almost continually since last fall, I have never had the time to switch out my original BMW derived kit. I never had DE's and won't have DDE's for a couple of months yet either as the car undergoes continuing motor work and then get's stuck away for weeks at a time getting the video and audio systems completely redone.

*I'm* going to be sitting here in late summer being the only dope that never has had either kit. Plus it cost me over $1,000 to do my original system that kicked the thing off.

If it wasn't so sad, I'd laugh myself silly at it.

go ahead Jim and laugh a little....it might help :D :D

say, isn't jim also responsible for the violence in the middle east, too? just kidding. but seriously, if you guys think you were sold something less than what you were promised, pull up the old posts and submit some evidence. if jim promised you could shave off 3 seconds from your lap times with the DE, and you didn't, you have a valid point. but if jim promised something less, then maybe your expectations were unrealistic. if you can't gather up some proof, then you are just spinning your wheels. i've dealt with a lot of vendors over the past 10 years- jim is HANDS DOWN the best guy out there.

I can be bribed with Asian hotties. I have my price :)

There, I feel better already...

:lol: Jim must like hot asian chicks because he's from the east, too.

Notice the red below:
Source http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/

"DEMON EYES" for your '92-'02 3-series
THIS ITEM WILL BE AVAILABLE LATE DECEMBER 2001. ORDERS TAKEN NOW ENSURE FIRST SHIPPING.

Add the headlight "halo rings" (like the 2000+ 5-series has) to your 1992-2002 3-series.
On the 5-series, some people call them "angel eyes". We think they make the 3-series look so mean they should be called demon eyes!

Designed by "J'A'P" and manufactured in the USA.

PLEASE NOTE: This is a "deluxe" kit which includes features and finishing not found in the original J'A'P kit. It is "ready to install" instead of the "build it yourself" early version.

The "deluxe" kit comes pre-finished and assembled. All you have to do is put them into your headlights and splice in to your existing wiring. This upgraded kit's construction is being personally overseen by J'A'P.

Kit includes all parts needed for the conversion*.

* E36 ('92-'99) requires the ZKW "Euro" ellipsoid headlights, available seperately.
E46 ('99-'02) uses stock headlights.

Click here to read more

The 'A' in J'A'P is an affectinate (yeah right) initial for Asshole.

I've calmed down considerably as I've aged.

Originally posted by Alibabajun
You know Stockman, I dont blame you for your un-educated opinion. Many people alike were all lied to, and were somehow convinced that they should be lucky to have such a thing, myself included. But you, dont even have a set, and havent even seen one.. soooo....
You raised a debatable point tho: Experimental stage. You know, in my theory, there is no such thing as an EXPERIMENTAL STAGE. When something like this is being MASS PRODUCED TO PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD (that DONT HAVE access to SEEING BEFORE BUYING...I'll discuss this later), there is no such thing. you either have a finished product that is worthy, or its a failure (guess which it was). If anything, it should have been EXPERIMENTED in his garage. Its not as if this kit was built by a teen-ager in his garage, this was the work of a 'great business man' through a manufacturer.

How can I see before I buy. I am one of the three people on the Northern west coast who got this. Furthermore, I was forced to rush rush rush, and give him payment immediately..or else..

I'm sorry, but thats just plain fucking ridiculous. you know, Mr. Powel, no one ASKED you to do this, you wilingly took the job, and promised a duplicate of the 5 series look. 2 things: 1. if your gona take 'such a painful role in MAKING MONEY', then quit your whining and get it done, properly. 2. as you stated yourself, you promised a duplicate of the 5 series eyes, this kit my friend, is a joke. this cant even be considered a product

Jim is a successful buisiness man. a buisiness man is one who can think of all kinds of differnt ideas, produce them, convince people to buy them, and persuade them the product is worth every penny. I envy Jim for his talent; But I'm furious that he used this against his own community.


and Chris, dude I had alot of respect for you; You dont know anything about me (..especially about something like that ...you know what I'm saying) and you try and judge me. That cant be respected. :embarrasm

I can't believe I'm hearing this. It sounds like you are the "un-educated" one here. People DID ask Jim to build these, I was one of them. I never remember seeing a post with guarantees or promises. Nobody forced you to buy these, YOU had to be the first person in your area. YOU were the only person rushing you. If you weren't happy, you should have returned them. I believe you to be a hypocrite. You talk about how crappy they are, but yet I do believe I have a video of your car where all you are doing is showing off your demon eyes, appearantly you liked them enough to film them and post a movie of it online for everyone else to see. That doesn't sound like something someone who hated those pieces of crap would do. Also, this is the "Vendor & Dealer Comments" section, Jim is neither the Vendor or Dealer, Jim was orgianlly taking orders but that was turned over to Omnitec. I believe this whole thread was started for you to bash Jim. So get your facts straight before you head out to hurt someone's reputation. Jim did this as a FAVOR because people ASKED him to, that's why he took DEPOSITS. He developed the v1 mirror because people ASKED him to but after he did nobody bought it. All that was required was a DEPOSIT but if YOU wanted to you could pay in full upfront. I think this thread should be closed, all it is doing is pissing people off, Jim is not the vendor or Dealer, it's in the wrong forum.

so Jim, should i wait a few more weeks before i order my E46 DEs from Omnitec?

You said you were doing some new things with Chase's car..

Whatever you want to do. I'm only putting them on Chase's car so I can drive it over and park it next to a 5 Series to take pictures of them side by side.

I'm done with the kit. I have an improvement I'm going to add for no extra charge but that's about it.

Originally posted by jsp98m3


I'm done with the kit. I have an improvement I'm going to add for no extra charge but that's about it.

I wouldnt do that if I were you, people might get mad and want their "free" back.
:rolleyes:

sorry ladies, I would have replied sooner, but since it was moved to a different forum, I couldnt find it, and thought that it was deleted.
in any case, first and foremost, jim:
eventhough the tone in your posts are completely different than your pm (popularity gains i guess) I highly appreciate the gesture. It is a fact that not many manufacturers restock a used part for the same amount. This is def a sign of a respectable buisiness man.
the reason I posted this thread is not to bash Jim. but to ask if I was wrong if I'm upset at this manufactured product..and then have to pay so much more to make it like the promised product. Some of you agreed, some of you did not. EDITED others took personal attacks on me, and some of you stated your opinions. My question is, if you dont have experience in this field, then why post. stockman, i didnt even read your post..your opinion means nothing to me. BMLRacer re-read MY posts and edit YOUR post. simmer down. widebodym3 grow up. butterm3 couldnt have said it better myself. IBNIT i'm shaking my head. never thought a video of my car would be turned around and used against me as a DE natzi. EDITED.

This thread was never meant to become personal, but, as always, BF has this tendency to turn things into a lyrical war. I respect Jim for seeing to his customers, and no respect to the rest of you haters.

"stockman, i didnt even read your post..your opinion means nothing to me. "

speaking of dtm-like attitute/action.

Ok, ok, this has once again degenerated into name calling on one side or another.

Opposition to pricing noted. UUC has reacted, the other vendors can do whatever they please. Thread closed.

stockman and all others, please feel free to pm me if you have something else to say.

This question is for JP. I wanted to know if you could modify the light source. You stated that the bulb that will be used would draw 35 watts, could you replace this bulb with a true xenon kit, since it draws 35watts? could the bulb fit inside

Thanks,

Neal

I'm sure a new lightbox could be facricated by hand.

Do you think light output would be vastly improved?

No. There is no room for a large reflector.

Ali-

I have read and re-read your posts. I want them edited and I want them edited NOW. You have attacked Jim, Stockman, and several other members on this board. I want them edited properly or I will do it myself. Do I make myself clear? You could have made a much more productive argument for your cause by not hurling insults across the internet. If you have questions you can PM me. I'm giving you 24 hours to fix or delete your posts. Otherwise, you may not like how I decide that they should be edited.

Brian

Brian,
I apologise if my posts offended you. but its a kick in the crotch when your pointing your finger at me and not noticing all these other remarks made by others. feel free to 'fix' my posts accordingly(and then close this thread cause I think we've all had enough) but be sure express my anger in the original few posts, and my satisfaction towards the end...along with fury towards the 'un-educated' members. they know who they are. :evil2

Salar

Ali,

I'm not singling you out. I have asked Bimmer95 and others to edit their posts. If things are not changed, I will go through the entire thread and edit things out that I feel to be personal insults made towards you, JSP, and other members. I'm not on anyones side here, I just want things to remain on a professional manner.

Brian

and I respect that, but I think its best if you do it. I'll be happy with whatever you think is profesional. :)

He said you would not like the way he was going to do it, and you accept that... If I was Brian, I would just delete this entire thread, it has accomplished absolutly nothing, and only caused more problems.

I say kill it... Kill it...:evil2

notice the last word in my last post? I think its self explanatory. :clap:
wrong my friend. Jim proved himself to be studious and offered his refund policy. and he spoke to the distributors about the price. UUC 'reacted'.
did you read this thread at all? :)

Salar,

I don't and won't moderate a thread basically criticizing me or the dealer network. But as part of the community you purport to be standing up for, don't you feel that it is the right thing to do to edit your posts yourself? Coming in and stepping out of bounds (you aren't the only one, but you were the instigator) and then demanding others fix your mess isn't right.

Besides, I think you know quite well that Brian is likely to over-edit in your mind.

Whatever you may think of me or my products, this is about your respect for the board.

You are quite free to say you think the product didn't and doesn't meet your expectations. You can say the price for an upgrade is unfair to you, or anyone else. You can even continue to say that you think I jipped you. Although I think that would be j'A'pped in this case :)

Whatever, but please go edit the posts to remove personal attacks yourself and put things in YOUR words. Otherwise, it's quite likely that Brian, who travels extensively and has little time may edit more extensively than suits your opinon. And there will be no recourse at that point. Fair enough?

I read it. All I saw was people wining and crying about a refund Jim offered day one, and that no one took up.:rolleyes:

Everyone knows Jim is a great bussiness man, and that he always honors his word, so that makes me question even the reason for this thread in the first place.

Ok Mr. Powell. Respect is due. I will do that, later tonight. Can this thread be closed in the meantime? ..so I dont have to hear hypermoro...'s opinion :help

Gee... Just what I always wanted....

I don't know if you can edit it when it is closed.

But as a moderator with dubious motives, can I request that everyone please stop taking pot-shots at each other and let it go?

Some members of the retail chain are doing what they can, others may when they aren't swamped and I'll do what little I can to help if anything. Just keep in mind that it's illegal for me to set a price. I can't do it.

Please open your hosts file in your windows directory and add this entry


209.197.231.252 www.bimmerforums.com
209.197.231.252 bimmerforums.com

What?

that was directed to Alibabajun

my only concern is that, I don't think its FAIR for the ORIGINAL BUYERS who waited since Dec'01 for the DE kits and then to be CHARGE the price of $150 to upgrade to DDE kits, bringing the total to the SAME as if I never waited 5 months and just brought the kit from the Omnitech. Jim did say in his emails to me that the upgrade will be cheap, and quoted $99 which is fine with me, but to pay the SAME PRICE as the NEW buyers is unfair to those who placed their faith in you from the beginning.

And I will email Omni about this as well. Just wanted to share my $0.02 with the community.

I understand your frustraton. As I said, it costs me more than $99 to make the kit. I thought originally that increasing the light into the original rings would be enough. It wasn't. So I had to make new rings. The cost of each ring is actually not that much. But it did cost me over $5,000 for the new mold to make them.

If on the other hand, every original buyer goes out and recruits 2 new buyers, then the cost per piece drops dramatically for integrating the cost of the mold into each person's kit.

Would all of you prefer that I not release the kit now and wait to see if there are double, maybe three times as many pre-orders as last time? If you guys can go to your retailers and get 500 pre-orders for upgrade kits within the next two weeks while the product is shipping, there can be a drop in the individual's price.

Get busy, vote with your credit card. If you can't or won't preorder and drive up the number of kits sold, I'm not sure what can be done.

I'm a nice guy but I'm not able to pay you to take them.

Edited. :)

Mod inspection please.


edited.

almost 20


but i gots my ejumacatin fer everysing i need in kindiegartin

Originally posted by SS318
but i gots my ejumacatin fer everysing i need in kindiegartin

This is what happens when you accumulate more than 4000 posts on bimmerforums.

Good thing that will never happen to me. :D











(or has it?)

Now about those quoted messages....

I think EVERYONE needs to go look at the threadand see what they can do to make things beter.

Jim,

I was wondering if you've had a chance to do a writeup for the "cleaner" install for the E46. Not rushing you at all, just curious if I should go ahead and install the lights when I get them, or wait to make it as clean as possible under the hood.

Thanks.

I'm going to try and get it done with the next install. But the difference will all be with the mounting of the lightbox and the wiring harness, things that are easily changed after the fact. I wouldn't be too concerned with rework, if there is any, it won't be much.

What I really need is for someone with an E46 to go on vacation this weekend that would like to park their car in my garage while they're gone and have free DDE's installed when they get home :)

Free, safe parking while you're gone, any takers?

Originally posted by jsp98m3
What I really need is for someone with an E46 to go on vacation this weekend that would like to park their car in my garage while they're gone and have free DDE's installed when they get home :)

Free, safe parking while you're gone, any takers?

you sure you didnt mean E36???:D Im gonna be in oceanside this weekend anyway visiting the in laws. I could leave the car there with ya!!!!:b_blue:

I have a verbal agreement to sell the Demon Eyes 'franchise' in it's entirety pending financing. If that falls through, I will entertain offers frm any other vendor or person who would like to own Demon Eyes and take it forward.

I won't need any samples or test mules in the future.

I've read through all of these posts and most of the updates that have been posted by Jim. I've never bought anything from Jim, but after reading all of this I pre-ordered the new DDE's from Omnitec.

I have my own business and I struggle with the fact that I can't make all my customers happy, no matter what I do, I just can't. The options Jim has given and his overall willingness to help, answer questions, and invest his time in this and other projects impresses me to no end.

I sincerely hope that this can roll off his back as it should. Too often people that intend to help are taken advantage of by those around them and at the same time not given the recognition they deserve.

Jim, I'm impressed with your patience, your dedication, and your willingness to take care of the issues (real or not) that people have. Your input on this forum is the reason I'm here. Thank You!

Once my DDE's come in I will post numerous pictures on my site as well as install notes. For those of you in Houston, I'll be more than happy to show them in person so you can decide for yourself.

Question for you Jim,

BTW first post comming from DTMPower.net :)

Anyways I bought 2 sets from you when they were in production mode and paid $200 for them. 1 for me and the second 1 for a friend after instaling the first set on my car and the troubles I had installing them he decided not to take them and I just ended up keeping them..

Ok so the question is that can I trade in two sets towards 1 DDE upgrade?

Daniel Choe

I don't know. I don't own the company anymore.

Ok.. well who does? Omnisport? UUC? Could you please let me know who to talk to about this thanks man.. (you sound burnt out :) ) Give jim a asian girl allready jk

Originally posted by deeznuts
Ok.. well who does? Omnisport? UUC? Could you please let me know who to talk to about this thanks man.. (you sound burnt out :) ) Give jim a asian girl allready jk


I bet you need to contact omnitec.

I was reading jim's posts and only jims, and you were talking about the only people getting anything free, did you mean to leave out the people bruce sent an e-mail to about the upgrade???

What?

Please call Omnitec.

no I am talking about the people from dec who are waitning for ZKW's and DDE's. And we got the e-mail from Bruce about the free pgrade. U still want us to talk to bruce, I have yet to talk to him or even e-mail Him, i think I am a little confused

Originally posted by bench mark
no I am talking about the people from dec who are waitning for ZKW's and DDE's. And we got the e-mail from Bruce about the free pgrade. U still want us to talk to bruce, I have yet to talk to him or even e-mail Him, i think I am a little confused

I'll save Jim and Bruce the trouble. If you ordered a complete installed set (ZKW+Demon+Labor) the DDE upgrade is free. I am one of those people and recieved the email also...no worries...We get our set before DDEs are released to the public...:)



Mike...soon to be first WideBodyM3 with DDEs in Northern Cali

ok, thanks, sorry for the repetitive question

Throw the 'ol towel in Jim..........that's good.........leave people hanging......an answer is just a few key strokes.....your on here anyway. :nono

He sold the whole business from what I understand
He probably hasnt checked the thread again
Someone else answered the question

Thanks Jim.

:laugh :laugh

People just cant give anyone a break..

give me a break..giveee me a break, give me a peice o' dat kit kat bar! :laugh

:devillook

Let me explain it to you.

I am a horrible, cheating, lieing business person. I've been told so.

Therefore I sold the business. I guess I could compound my past sins by now telling you what I 'guess' the new policies will be with the new owners.

You didn't like my answers when I owned Demon Eyes, why would you want them now when I have zero control, input or decision making ability?

I have money, the new owner has a business. Good luck. Jim Powell has no warranty, policy, refund or other involvement in Demon Eyes. If you are a previous customer, you need to contact Omnitec.

I told you to watch what you wish for, you might get it. This sounds cruel and harsh. In reality, it is the way bought out businesses are required to act.

I used to work at Baxter Travenol. When I left in 1982 they didn't want me making policy for them anymore.

Same thing here. Call Omnitec.

Sorry if this is inappropriate and perhaps I'm not following this thread properly but IMHO, Alibabajun, you're an ass.

This is what I think of you :complain

Yeah...F-you Alibabajun...you cheap b-...Now your DTM cock sucking buddies can't close the thread

lol. :laugh



lets all prove how much of a man we are to bash someone on a BMW forum :clap: :laugh :mdrbig

Originally posted by Alibabajun
lol. :laugh



lets all prove how much of a man we are to bash someone on a BMW forum :clap: :laugh :mdrbig

Funny you say that...Isn't that what you did to Jim P.? Again...think before you type...

i'm sorry, are you part of his body-gaurd crew, or his ass-kissing squad :95 :clap: :12:

Originally posted by Alibabajun
i'm sorry, are you part of his body-gaurd crew, or his ass-kissing squad :95 :clap: :12:

Neither..I am part of the "BMW Owners against cheap ass M-Owners who bitch,complain and moan over $200.00"

Thats my cause....and I am sticking to it...

BTW are your knees hurting?...After sucking all that cock at DTM to get me banned I would at least speculate that you may have injured something.:laugh

no, the only thing your stuck to is the man's ass. get off and get some fresh air. you could definitely use some fresh air. :laugh :mdrbig

Ironic..for someone who hates this product so much, you display the photos of the product very proudly on your site.

you say that from 2 pics? :az:

love your ride, btw. do you have any more pics? :wave:

Originally posted by Alibabajun
no, the only thing your stuck to is the man's ass. get off and get some fresh air. you could definitely use some fresh air. :laugh :mdrbig

Actually I thought I was speaking for the board...Believe it or not a lot of people are tired of your shit...Including me...

Originally posted by Alibabajun
you say that from 2 pics? :az:

love your ride, btw. do you have any more pics? :wave:

Wow you are quick to jump into Dick Sucking mode...you must have learned that at DTM.

you mean you were sucking...sucking cock for the board :laugh keep up the good work. take one for the team :astromile

hmm. nooo, in actuality I'm in awe of the euro M.

you know what dude, I asked a question a long time ago and it was answered. and now it all comes down to one thing: there's a consumer and a producer. where do you fit in the picture? ..oh rite, the loser.


and I hope that you realize we'll both get banned off this lovely board if you keep this up. so lets just edit all this out and continue the bashing on PM. as you have curtiously been following.

Originally posted by Alibabajun
you mean you were sucking...sucking cock for the board :laugh keep up the good work. take one for the team :astromile

hmm. nooo, in actuality I'm in awe of the euro M.

you know what dude, I asked a question a long time ago and it was answered. and now it all comes down to one thing: there's a consumer and a producer. where do you fit in the picture? ..oh rite, the loser.


and I hope that you realize we'll both get banned off this lovely board if you keep this up. so lets just edit all this out and continue the bashing on PM. as you have curtiously been following.

Have you ever built anything...for production use? I can sympathize for Jim P. There are flaws and bugs in initial releases...it comes with the territory...You have taken your little fully refundable $200.00 fiasco into several forums bad mouthing a person who put lots of time and effort into a production product.

When you get out of school and come into the real world (god forbid you do anything engineering related) you will soon find out why there are second releases and enhancements to things...He offered you a 100% money back guarantee. That is a lot more than I have seen anyone else do...Stop whining...and end your complaining....

BTW I will only edit my posts if a Moderator asks me too.

my complaining stopped long ago.
the discusion was also ended long ago. but just to re-iterate for our illiterate members:
the upsetting part was not the time it took the product to get to me, and no, not even the ridiculously looking DE's once they arrived, it was the promise of a cheap and affordable way to improve upon this failing product, and the breaking of that promise is what turned hell lose in my view. but I understand that there were mis-calculations in pricing, and DDE's cost more to build (read: more profits to be taken in). All that was asked was for Jim to favor and deal with the early birds in purchasing the DE's, and get them a discount. this request to this day has not been fulfilled. but I dare not continue with this because I am alone in this battle against millions of you blood thirsty BF love-birds.

Originally posted by Alibabajun
my complaining stopped long ago.
the discusion was also ended long ago. but just to re-iterate for our illiterate members:
the upsetting part was not the time it took the product to get to me, and no, not even the ridiculously looking DE's once they arrived, it was the promise of a cheap and affordable way to improve upon this failing product, and the breaking of that promise is what turned hell lose in my view. but I understand that there were mis-calculations in pricing, and DDE's cost more to build (read: more profits to be taken in). All that was asked was for Jim to favor and deal with the early birds in purchasing the DE's, and get them a discount. this request to this day has not been fulfilled. but I dare not continue with this because I am alone in this battle against millions of you blood thirsty BF love-birds. :bawl

STOP NOW! Widebody, Alibabajun.
Neither I, nor any of the other moderators or admins, will tolerate your behaviour towards each other.
You've received a warning.

"Alibabajun" has received far more than a warning this time! He's been warned many times before.

"Widebody", I expect you to conform to our Rules... I suggest you read them so you will understand what is expected of our members so there are no questions.

Bob ///M3


Originally posted by umnitza
[b]STOP NOW! Widebody, Alibabajun.
Neither I, nor any of the other moderators or admins, will tolerate your behaviour towards each other.
You've received a warning.

Originally posted by Bob ///M3
"Alibabajun" has received far more than a warning this time! He's been warned many times before.

"Widebody", I expect you to conform to our Rules... I suggest you read them so you will understand what is expected of our members so there are no questions.

Bob ///M3




Yeah..I have been here for a while now...I know the rules...I'll chill out.

Please do!

Bob ///M3


Originally posted by widebodym3


Yeah..I have been here for a while now...I know the rules...I'll chill out.

If anyone is reading this and knows what is going on with the DDEs and ellipsoids, PLEASE post. I have no idea as to who to contact for info... I tried emailing Omnitech and they havent responded yet.

Originally posted by C///M3
If anyone is reading this and knows what is going on with the DDEs and ellipsoids, PLEASE post. I have no idea as to who to contact for info... I tried emailing Omnitech and they havent responded yet.

Call Bruce @ (954) 560-8795...between 9am - 7pm EST

I called him the other day and he said he should be expecting the ellipsoids shortly...and if you pre-ordered (DDE+Ellipsoids+labor) then you will recieve priority on the DDE kit...

Hope this helps...


Mike

Thanks Wideboby...:clap:

I am speechless.....

First, I bought into the DE's at the very beginning, but I also purchased the ZKW's with the install. Hmmmm, guess what.....I don't have anything to show for the money I spent in December. Does that bother me, NO!!!!! Jim Powell really has nothing to do with my situation at all. Is it worth me getting mad about, NO!!! What is it going to change.

Second, I knew from the very beginning that these were not going to be as bright as the 5-series angel eyes. Jim never said that they would be. Jim run LED's in his rings and like he said....people (like me) wanted a product that was more affordable than tearing down a set of OEM lights for the rings. We wanted the same thing that few people like Jim, Jon, and maybe a few others had.

Third, I finally saw a set of DE's in person in the daylight a few weeks ago. Yeah, they were hard to see in the daylight, but they were worth the money.

Fourth, I can understand why Jim has bailed on this whole project. A few complaint from a few people just pulled Jim through a pile of sh**. I wouldn't want to mess with the project anymore either. I just have to wonder if I will ever see a set of DDE's on my car or not. Who knows if ZKW's will ever get here, let alone the DDE's worked out and ready.

Jim, what is happening with this upgrade that you were going to throw into each DDE kit for free? Is that still going to happen and if not, can you share what that is by PM so that the modification can be made?

Lastly, I want to thank Jim for sticking his neck out to provide a product that many people wanted. I know that you didn't have to do that and spent too much of your time and probably money trying to make everyone happy. I hate the fact that you are sitting there in CA with a wealth of BMW knowledge and ideas that will now never be shared but with a few of your friends at most.

I'll be patiently waiting for my ZKW's with the DDE's. I have no idea if they are coming from Omnitec or JIm, but I figure they will probably arrive someday.

A thank you needs to go out to all you people/sour apples that were so hard to please. You ran off someone who was willing to do whatever he could do to make us happy. It's too bad you could not have just sent your DE's back and start a practice of making better buying decisions in the future. This is such a SAD deal.....whatelse can I even say:(

People who ordered ZKWs, install and DE's will get hteir DDEs installed by me. If the ZKWs aren't here by next week when all of the DDE parts are ready, I'll just buy new lights and get started installing the kits. DDE upgrades for ZKW buyers are free. I'll do something else nice for those people too. But I'm not going to get the world started up by saying what it is. But it will be a nice surprise for people.

I'm not going to be involved with it anymore. But people who bought will get their product if I have to drive to Canada and track the stupid lights down myself.

Cool Jim,

If you dont mind; could you keep us 25 updated?

Thanks!

I boubt he will keep you updated.

Incase you missed all the other posts, it is quite annoying for him to be constantly asked how it is comming, or when it is going to be done.

He will let you know when they are all done, and ready to be shipped out.

hey, jim, can I buy the lights from you? :biglaughb :biglaughb

just kidding, I know the procedure:)

Damn, Some people really like to bitch. I bought the angel eyes, and wasn't too happy with them, but I bit the bullet. I mean 150 isnt that bad to upgrade (much higher than I thought) , but I can't afford it now because of my financial situation. My question is, will be I able to upgrade in a couple of months??

I'm still curious as to where E46ers are going to mount the light box. Just wondering what the general consensus was.......

i feel everyone got jacked on those fake halos

Carbon, I do not know why you felt the need to bring back such an old thread, but if you had been paying attention Jim went to great pains to make sure every single person who purchased the kit was happy. In most cases this came out of his own pocket, time and enery. No one got jacked.

Originally posted by CarbonBlkE36
i feel everyone got jacked on those fake halos Well I feel you are full of crap and should stop bitching. Everyone already knows your opinion from DTM. Say hi to ala-wala-small-ding-dong too.

Many people feel they original DE's were shit, bc they were.

I got inpros now and I am MUCH happier. Screw paying another 150 plus the hassle of taking the old ones out and putting new ones in. Also why bother with the new product when I was very dissapointed with the last one. Don't say he did it for the BMW community, he did it for the money.

http://www.eurospeedperformance.com/Pictures/ellipsoids/Img_1010.jpg

http://www.eurospeedperformance.com/Pictures/ellipsoids/Img_1012.jpg

Notice, you can see the ring with the lights on.

Originally posted by Oxcart 1
Well I feel you are full of crap and should stop bitching. Everyone already knows your opinion from DTM. Say hi to ala-wala-small-ding-dong too.

Quick comment, haven't taken the time to sort though this entire post but just would like to say one think to the originator of this posts. I do not believe you are in the position to complain. You knew you were buying into something that wasn't proven. What you expected was totally different. You must have learned a lesson from this. Dont buy shit before you know it.

I should probably mention that the memper who started the thread, and also many verbal attacks on others within this thread was banned for there actions towards other members.

And I suggest if you really do want to post on this thread that you do go and read the entire thread, all 5 pages or so. I assure you it will save a lot of time down the road as opposed to just posting on this thread.

this is the most thrilling thread i've read in a while :redspot

Don't say he did it for the BMW community, he did it for the money.

Only Jim likely knows the realized margin (if applicable) on these. Are you comparing to the price of a competing product? The realized cost are likely very different. Note that I'm not debating which is the better value.

this is the most thrilling thread i've read in a while

I've read all of it. I can't say I've consumed it as entertainment.

Originally posted by Hyperion
Carbon, I do not know why you felt the need to bring back such an old thread, but if you had been paying attention Jim went to great pains to make sure every single person who purchased the kit was happy. In most cases this came out of his own pocket, time and enery. No one got jacked.




ur jus a follower and u dont realize it, jus so sadd

I don't even own the halo set ups, nor have I ever owned them.

So I don't know what you are trying to get at.:rolleyes:

sad............. u jus don't get it

Originally posted by CarbonBlkE36
sad............. u jus don't get it

I regret to inform you that you are the one who is missing the picture.

No, you people don’t get it. At the time the DEs came out did ANYONE else sell a different version? No. Do you know how much all those people that had to take 5 series head lights apart paid to do that? It was a lot more than 200 bucks. Probably 4-5 times that much. They also didn’t have nice little instructions on how to put them in. Jim gave you those rings for 200 dollars. Rings that no one else could give you for that price. Its pretty much common sense that you aren’t going to be able to see freakin LEDs in direct sunlight. I could tell even without buying them that the only time youd be able to see them is at dusk. You also had him right here to try and help make them better and listen to all you spoiled brats bitch at him. Granted the whole filing bit probably sucked a nut, you got them for 200 bucks. That’s 150 cheaper then anyone not on the forums. You were the experiment people, the gen 1 DES weren’t that bright in the daytime. Deal with it.

thats not a very nice tone of voice coming from a moderator :az:

Well you see, everyone here thinks Jim P. is a GOD, especially some of the moderators.

I never expected to see them in the daylight. I did expect them to be decent at night, they were dull as hell at night. Just because they were the first run doesnt mean it was ok for them to be shity. Also when the DE came out, the inpros were just around the corner.

Originally posted by CarbonBlkE36





ur jus a follower and u dont realize it, jus so sadd

you'll get used to it...that's Hyp's job here.

i have just registered here to voice my displeasure at the disrespect some of the members have voiced towards DTMPower and all the members of that forum community. i have never posted on this board only because i dont have time to post and read two forums in my limited schedual, but i had not realized there was some sort of petty feud between these two respected forums. the ignorance perpetuated by members of both boards sickens me and i hope it does not, even though it already has, lead to gross generalizations of either internet community. ive just spent the last 2 hours (day off of work, you see) reading all the posts on this thread and related ones on dtm can do nothing but shake my head at such blatant prejudice attitude perpetuated by some of the members of both forums. but mostly i am posting my complaint HERE because the vast majority of these comments are comming from members of THIS forum. i can do nothing but sigh... i shall start frequenting bimmerforums more now simply because there are a few people here with something intelligent and respectfull to say.

Ah, the plot thinnens...

By the way Aaron, your new signature pic looks killer. I don't remember if you had the halos or not at Dentfest.

Originally posted by scottycs
Damn, Some people really like to bitch. I bought the angel eyes, and wasn't too happy with them, but I bit the bullet. I mean 150 isnt that bad to upgrade (much higher than I thought) , but I can't afford it now because of my financial situation. My question is, will be I able to upgrade in a couple of months??

Whats been your problem lately? You go from here saying you bit the bullet to bad mouthing and posting stuff on the other board about how bad this board is. Why the change of heart all of a sudden?? I have talked to you in the past about your car and upgrades and thought you were helpful and pleasant, what gives now?

(not trying to jump in your shit or anything, just wondering what happened to make you so bitter)

Originally posted by quick318is


you'll get used to it...that's Hyp's job here.

Hmmm... And thats why I have been here longer than 90% of all the members on this forum, and I provide more help behind close doors than most will even know about.:rolleyes:

What ever preconceived notion you have of me drop it right now! I am a nice person, and I do not have anything against you.

what it really comes down to with these things (and Ive seen a myriad of installs in E30s, E36s, E46s, X5s; hell, i did the first e38) is that these are not 5 series halos. Even if you use 5 series halos, they wont look like the 5. Its not the same headlight, and the other BMW headlights beyond the 5 and new 7 arent going to look right, unless you spend a lot of time and effort to make it so (aka Stylins install is the best out there, and is the only install I would deem worthy of my own car) Of course, on my 2002 bixenons, the E46 kit didnt even fit, and if it did clear the larger lenses, I dont think the fitment and radius of the rings was up to my standards for looking correct on the vehicle.

Clarification just to keep things correct.

The new rings themselves, not the mounting method are direct 100% dimensionally duplicated 745 rings. They use the latest pattern for serrations and are made from chemically the same material.

As said, the E36, E46 and E38 lamps themselves were never meant to accomodate halos. Therefor everything is a compromise. Some people like the new mounting system, some don't. But the clip system now is shipped completely assembled and is much safer than the old system requiring gluing and inserting the halo arms above the reflector. Done right that system worked fine to a point. But it is really amazingly easy to booger up the light, especially with bixenons.

Its not the board I dislike, its only a few of the moderators (not you). A few things happened that pissed me off, and they were not at me in any way but at some of the other members. I didn't mean to offend you, btw your car looks great.

Originally posted by DeezBMW


Whats been your problem lately? You go from here saying you bit the bullet to bad mouthing and posting stuff on the other board about how bad this board is. Why the change of heart all of a sudden?? I have talked to you in the past about your car and upgrades and thought you were helpful and pleasant, what gives now?

(not trying to jump in your shit or anything, just wondering what happened to make you so bitter)

Originally posted by jsp98m3
Clarification just to keep things correct.

The new rings themselves, not the mounting method are direct 100% dimensionally duplicated 745 rings. They use the latest pattern for serrations and are made from chemically the same material.


are these the same material than the ones I recieved were, or are these a "gen III" just curious, because I personally thought the gen I rings duplicated the OEM 5 series rings closer than gen II, which seemed to be a 2 piece design (i guess something in the molding process??)

The Gen II are based on the latest 7 series design. The rings aren't two piece but the mold sort of is, it's actually 3 pieces.

Originally posted by Hyperion


Hmmm... And thats why I have been here longer than 90% of all the members on this forum, and I provide more help behind close doors than most will even know about.:rolleyes:

What ever preconceived notion you have of me drop it right now! I am a nice person, and I do not have anything against you.

You know Hyperion, I really do not have a problem with you 99% of the time. My problem is when you and others that have also been around here a while seem to unconsciously back certain members when they are in a discussion with other members.

You see, as another stated a while back in this thread.....many of the longtime members and moderators like to back their friends regardless of whether they are correct or not.

And I, for one, have gotten in the middle of this with a certain unnamed memer (you all know who) and EVERY time I get in trouble and repremanded....not the other, because he has been here longer than I.

I'm not dumb, I understand that is is like a little click where some are welcome and some are not. If members like me are going to be singled out time and again when in a discussion, then of course we will be bitter.

I do not enjoy flaming, and 99% of my posts have been fine....but you know sometimes you have to debate with another member and it justs sickens me how you guys pick sides.

Feel free to refute my statement, as I respect all other opinions.

I am very happy to hear you usually do not have a problem with me.

I must admit I have been known to debate and have at it with other members, and I will admit that that probably makes people wonder about me. Usually I only try to do it with members I really know, but sometimes it comes us with someone I do not know to well.

As for siding with other members I know well, I would have to say I do it ocassionally. Keep in mind that I side with them for good reason. They usually have years worth of experience and personal experience in the field being discussed, and also I can attest to personal character for many of them. With other people I cannot.

Originally posted by Hyperion
I am very happy to hear you usually do not have a problem with me.

I must admit I have been known to debate and have at it with other members, and I will admit that that probably makes people wonder about me. Usually I only try to do it with members I really know, but sometimes it comes us with someone I do not know to well.

As for siding with other members I know well, I would have to say I do it ocassionally. Keep in mind that I side with them for good reason. They usually have years worth of experience and personal experience in the field being discussed, and also I can attest to personal character for many of them. With other people I cannot.

I understand where you are coming from....buy you have to realize where I am coming from as well....the newby that ONCE in a while gets into it with another member and gets not only repremanded, but banned for a few days, when other parties involved do the SAME thing I did.

I'm not saying my actions are correct when I have gotten angry, because I know they were out of hand. Just trying to get my views out I guess.

let's stay on topic Hype and Quick:D

I have received and looked at the kit. As a product manager, the instructions, support, and kit quality are FIRST RATE. However, they require a steady hand, attention to detail, and TIME to install correctly. (not to mention mechanical, electrical, and common sense ability).

The kit is thought through, good quality, and warranty (break any part and it will be shipped out (if you paid X dollars) for free) is unbeatable.

Maybe the GenI kit was not up to the current standard, I never saw it, but the GenII kit is excellent.

That being said, is it OEM quality? Don't know, wanna buy me a pair of $1500 OEM lights and rip them apart and tell me?:evil2

send me a ring and I'll let u guys know if its OEM quality. :D

quick318is if u feel u've been mistreated.. you can send a PM to anyone of the admins or SMs.

Originally posted by scottycs
Its not the board I dislike, its only a few of the moderators (not you). A few things happened that pissed me off, and they were not at me in any way but at some of the other members. I didn't mean to offend you, btw your car looks great.




Thats good to hear!! Thanks for the compliments on the car, you finally got your paint work done as well huh. Your car looks great!! I also had another question for you but I will do it via PM.

I think that there is a lot being lost in all this name calling and harshness between members. What seems to be the displeasure of many members is that the original demon eyes were crap. Well I can't voice my opinion on anything toward that affect but what I've read and the innovation of the new rings suggests that. Further people have been unhappy about having to pay more for the upgraded version which I can understand. I would be very unhappy to dish out more money for something that should have been right the first time, however when making a new product and there is no protocal that already exists to follow, things like this will happen. However due to innovation and re-engineering to better an already existing product, Jim decided to make the DDE's. Now I think that people need to place aside their dislike toward the original DE's when looking at the new DDE's and not hold them to the same level as the original DE's because they aren't in any way the same. Many have been satisfied with the DDE's and people are still fighting old battles, about how the original DE's sucked. Who cares about the original DE's they are no longer being sold.

Thats just what I think.

Jeffrey

another happy customer
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=43177

Badass should take a better picture - but it's not bad:)
Those are DDEs that he happened to buy from me when I decided not to install them on the wife's 7.

Originally posted by umnitza
another happy customer


i think the topic of discussion are the original sets, not the new ones... drrrrrr


:devillook :dunno

I think this topic has been beaten well into death, and nothing good can come out of it...

Actually, I thought it was locked a long time ago...

I totally can't believe this is still being discussed. Please put this thread to rest.