Well last night was a slow night so i went out looking for some trouble. I found a S2000 that had rims,was lowered, exhaust, and an intake. We decided we would go on the high way. So we hoped on and took off from about 60. We were pretty much even untill about 75 and then i just started to walk away from him slowly but surely. I shut down at about 115 and let him catch up. We gave the thumbs up and went on our seperate ways. Tonight i was even looking for a race when out of know where a porsche 993 carrera 4s with some rims and i am not sure what else rolls up. We started from a roll at about 30 and it was almost dead even but i started to pull on him around 60 and then he just shut down. We did it twice with the same results. The carrera 4s seems to be much faster the the 993 carrera 4 because i raced one of those on the high-way and pretty much slowly walked away from him.

what mods do you have?

Well last night was a slow night so i went out looking for some trouble. I found a S2000 that had rims,was lowered, exhaust, and an intake. We decided we would go on the high way. So we hoped on and took off from about 60. We were pretty much even untill about 75 and then i just started to walk away from him slowly but surely. I shut down at about 115 and let him catch up. We gave the thumbs up and went on our seperate ways. Tonight i was even looking for a race when out of know where a porsche 993 carrera 4s with some rims and i am not sure what else rolls up. We started from a roll at about 30 and it was almost dead even but i started to pull on him around 60 and then he just shut down. We did it twice with the same results. The carrera 4s seems to be much faster the the 993 carrera 4 because i raced one of those on the high-way and pretty much slowly walked away from him.
Over 120mph they really do accelerate like mad!
I had one leave me at 130mph and to carry on to 185mph!
A beautiful site!

Anyways, nice runs!

The 993 is the nicest Model Porsche ever made! Their just pure euro exotic beauty> I'll speak for my self but it doesnt get any better then 993!!! :alright

I have a short shifter, m50 manifold, exhaust, shark injector, then i got the 19 ssr gt3 with the uuc 14in. bbk in the front and the 12.9in in the back.

You pulled on a Carrera 4 S without a blower or turbo? :confused

Somebody wasn't racing...

it wasnt the new one and even the new 996 carrera 4s are only 0-60 in 5.1 or something so it probablly puts it in the mid 13's and i have raced a turbo eclipse that ran 13.6 and i beat him. I didnt say i raped him i just said that i was starting to pull ahead but what would have happened at higher speeds i dont no.

Even the 993 C4S cars will pull on an E46 M3 6spd...the 996 bodies will leave them even harder.

Don't worry about 0-60, you said from a roll. Those cars trap 107-108mph with proper shifting. He probably just mashed the throttle in a high gear.

I have raced both the 993(296HP version) and the 996(320HP version) and both have walked away from me hard from a 60mph punch...and I'm WAY more modded than you are.

In any event, nice job.

the 996 C4S is only slightly faster than a Stock E36 M3...and because of the 4 wheel drive system...it is not as fast as you think...

the 996 C4S is only slightly faster than a Stock E36 M3...and because of the 4 wheel drive system...it is not as fast as you think...

No, man. Trust me, I've driven a couple and seen it happen; not in our league.

Come on, now, how many E36 M3's trap 107mph without a blower or turbo? None.

I hope "c steve" sees this and chimes in as he has one.

the 996 C4S is only slightly faster than a Stock E36 M3...and because of the 4 wheel drive system...it is not as fast as you think...

Just my opinion but I think you and anyone who believes this are on smack or something. No affense, but honestly. My dad has a 2003 carrera 4s. That thing does 0-60 in 4.8. I dont know where you came up with the idea that it is slightly faster than an e36 M3 when it is actually rated right up there with an e46 M3. I've been in both a modded e36 M3 and of course my dad's and hands down my dad's is faster. Dont get me wrong though definitely nothing slow about an e36 M3.

I didnt race the 996 i raced the 993 but heres a link to some info on the 996 c4s http://fast-autos.net/porsche/porsche9114s.html

I didnt race the 996 i raced the 993 but heres a link to some info on the 996 c4s http://fast-autos.net/porsche/porsche9114s.html

Yeah I still think that's wrong but even then. A e36 M3 is not at low 5's from 0-60. So I still dont see how that comment could be made. Just my two cents.

the 996 C4S is only slightly faster than a Stock E36 M3...and because of the 4 wheel drive system...it is not as fast as you think...

They are low-mid 13 second cars with traps a good 5mph faster than E36M3's. Slightly is of course an opinion.

I see quite a few C4S's around and frankly can't figure out why when you can spend another 20 grand and get the turbo ... which is a hell of a lot more car.

I was thinking the same thing you guys were. I havent gotten a good heads up race with a C4S yet, but have done the cat and mouse thing a few times and they are not slow. Certainly a good bit faster than a bolt on E36 M3. Regardless, good race. :D

Edit: I wish people would quit thinking of 0-60 times as the end all be all of how fast a car is. If you go to some of the more racer oriented/tech sites, quoting 0-60 times will get you laughed at. They mean almost nothing, but i suppose they look good and take up copy space nicely in the mags.

996 c4s ain't no joike :nono It will out handle and out launch a turbo (save the GT2 - best of both worlds there) ;)

GT2 is rear drive with no Traction Control or other driver aids. It takes a ton of driver skill to launch that with an AWD Carrera. Maybe you're reversed? The 996 Turbo is AWD, GT2 is not.

Having a no-traction control/no driver aid car myself, I have a serious soft spot for those sort of cars in general, the GT-2 in specific. Short of the Carerra GT (one of which Hendrick Porsche here in Charlotte has one in the showroom.....incredible, beyond words, pure :smiliesex in all its $445k glory), its my favorite car of that marque.

ya my neighbor just got a carrera gt a couple weeks ago and he said the clutch completely different than a regular clutch on a manual transmission. But the car is awesome at wop it sounds like nothing i have ever heard.

996 c4s ain't no joike It will out handle and out launch a turbo

? The turbo has a more agressive suspension setup which equates into better handling ... and a hell of a lot more power with means better acceleration.

I've driven a C4S; nice car but no power in comparison to my turbo.

The C4S is 70 percent of the car for 80 percent of the price of the turbo, a rather bizarre and in my view pointless niche.

? The turbo has a more agressive suspension setup which equates into better handling ... and a hell of a lot more power with means better acceleration.

I've driven a C4S; nice car but no power in comparison to my turbo.

The C4S is 70 percent of the car for 80 percent of the price of the turbo, a rather bizarre and in my view pointless niche.



Agreed, agreed, agreed. However is will not "out launch" the c4s... It'll catch up and pass, inevitably :stickoutt

Agreed, agreed, agreed. However is will not "out launch" the c4s... It'll catch up and pass, inevitably :stickoutt

No. The C4S and the turbo have the same drivetrain system. They are both AWD (RWD biased). The turbo has the ability to do 3.9-4.0s in the 0-60 sprints. It has more torque down low than does the C4S. That is out of the C4S's league.

-ruiner
2001 Porsche 911 turbo 996

I would always get the lightest Carrera available, either rear drive base model or GT3. 200-300lbs more with the same engine is not worth the weight penalty just for awd.

No. The C4S and the turbo have the same drivetrain system. They are both AWD (RWD biased). The turbo has the ability to do 3.9-4.0s in the 0-60 sprints. It has more torque down low than does the C4S. That is out of the C4S's league.

-ruiner
2001 Porsche 911 turbo 996

No. Out launch - as in 60 foot times... Not 0-60 mph.

I would always get the lightest Carrera available, either rear drive base model or GT3. 200-300lbs more with the same engine is not worth the weight penalty just for awd.

There is a give and take, honestly. You can take the heated sports seats out of the turbo and replace them with the GT3 seats. That will save you close to ~70lbs if I remember correctly. You can remove the spare tire, get rid of the rear seat deck lids, remove the rear wiper/motor, and do a few other weight-saving "mods" that will shave another 60-100lbs if not more. Not bad. True, the AWD does add weight. However, when you have a tail-happy, rear-engined car with that much torque and power, you want the added safety of knowing that it won't get loose if you aren't perfect at all times. The GT2 is a prime example of this. It has no traction control and is RWD only. You have to drive at 100% all the time. ANY mistake will land you in a ditch, into a tree, etc.

No. Out launch - as in 60 foot times... Not 0-60 mph.

That still doesn't matter. They both have the same exact same drivetrain. I get more torque down low than the C4S. When I drop the clutch @ 3000rpm for example, I get more torque and power than the C4S. That transfers (assuming the tires stick) into better 60ft times.

I was able to cut 1.8x 60 ft times when I went to the track with an easy launch.

Turbo:
Torque 415 lb-ft @ 2,700-4,600 rpm

C4S
Torque 273 lb-ft @ 4,250 rpm

That still doesn't matter. They both have the same exact same drivetrain. I get more torque down low than the C4S. When I drop the clutch @ 3000rpm for example, I get more torque and power than the C4S. That transfers (assuming the tires stick) into better 60ft times.

I was able to cut 1.8x 60 ft times when I went to the track with an easy launch.

Turbo:
Torque 415 lb-ft @ 2,700-4,600 rpm

C4S
Torque 273 lb-ft @ 4,250 rpm
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c4s torque begins at lower rpm

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c4s torque begins at lower rpm

I have no stake in this, but it seems your in a loosing argument here. Ive driven a 996 TT, and it comes off the line like a stalled V8 auto w/ big 'n littles. Which is to say really really hard. :evil2

Hey, I just had a run yesterday with a 996 C4(not an S). He had his fine bizatch with him, & I was alone. We were on the freeway, & he was chasing me for a few miles as we both weaved our way through traffic. Finally the traffic eased up & allowed us both some free room.

We were doing about 80 to start, I saw a fairly open road to the right of me & he had room straight ahead of him. I had to get off at the next offramp anyways, so this was perfect. I hit the gas & he was slightly behind me at this point. I watched the mirrors & saw that he was basically holding the same position for about 3 seconds, then he started falling back, I checked my speedo & was doing 120 & considered shifting into 5th, but I was still pulling & it seemed like a done deal, & my offramp was coming quick, so after about a 1/2 mile from the first punch I let off.

I was feeling pretty good, I didn't expect to spank him so badly, & no his chick was not a fat pig. So how much of a fight did he actually put up?? I guess we'll never really know :D .

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c4s torque begins at lower rpm

How do you figure? I get FULL torque @ 2700 (415) whereas the C4S gets full torque at 4,250 (273).

However, let me post the dyno charts for both so as to give you visual proof:

Turbo:
http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/911/911_common.nsf/gbrenglish/C1256EBC0051552AC1256EE4004B1EB1/$file/leistung2_gross_eng.gif

C4S:
http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/911/carrera4s.nsf/gbrenglish/C1256EBC0051601EC1256EC10032128F/$file/c4s_engine_performance_2_zoom_xl.jpg

i dont mean to raise the bs flag but if it was to 60 most porsche drivers normally driving accelerate to 60 fast.

How do you figure? I get FULL torque @ 2700 (415) whereas the C4S gets full torque at 4,250 (273).

However, let me post the dyno charts for both so as to give you visual proof:

Turbo:
http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/911/911_common.nsf/gbrenglish/C1256EBC0051552AC1256EE4004B1EB1/$file/leistung2_gross_eng.gif

C4S:
http://content3.eu.porsche.com/prod/911/carrera4s.nsf/gbrenglish/C1256EBC0051601EC1256EC10032128F/$file/c4s_engine_performance_2_zoom_xl.jpg

2500 rpm
http://www.europeancarweb.com/longtermers/0312ec_carrera4s/
"The VarioCam Plus valve timing and lift system enables 84% of peak torque to be available from 2500 to 7000 rpm, giving the C4S serious pushing (as opposed to pulling in a front-engined car) power. "

I also speak from experience... My buddy has one :devillook And a couple of days ago, I lined up with a suit at a stop light. He stomped it and we were pretty even (he did cheat a little by lagging behind me at the stop light and utilized a rolling start. But whatever) :violinist

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2500 rpm
http://www.europeancarweb.com/longtermers/0312ec_carrera4s/
"The VarioCam Plus valve timing and lift system enables 84% of peak torque to be available from 2500 to 7000 rpm, giving the C4S serious pushing (as opposed to pulling in a front-engined car) power. "

I also speak from experience... My buddy has one :devillook And a couple of days ago, I lined up with a suit at a stop light. He stomped it and we were pretty even (he did cheat a little by lagging behind me at the stop light and utilized a rolling start. But whatever) :violinist

4-BNGR

I just showed you a dyno from the Porsche website for BOTH vehicles. Take a close look. Look at where the torque curve starts and where it peaks. Take a look at how much torque the turbo produces vs the C4S. You can't argue with figures. I own a 911 turbo. I have driven the C4S many times. The C4S cannot keep up, I assure you. I'm not trying to be an ass, but you are fighting a losing battle on this subject.

2500 rpm
http://www.europeancarweb.com/longt...12ec_carrera4s/
"The VarioCam Plus valve timing and lift system enables 84% of peak torque to be available from 2500 to 7000 rpm, giving the C4S serious pushing (as opposed to pulling in a front-engined car) power. "

Yes, but that is 84 percent of less total torque.

I also speak from experience... My buddy has one
Seriously, stop. I would say stop while you are ahead, but that was a page back. You have two 911 turbo owners here saying you are wrong -- one of whom has even provided documented VISUAL proof and you are still spewing incorrect information.

Turbo-

280ft/lb @ 1000rpm

C4s-

290? ft/lb @ 1000rpm

Out launch-a-rama ;)


Let's put it to bed and grab a beer somewhere...

4-BNGR

Turbo-

280ft/lb @ 1000rpm

C4s-

290? ft/lb @ 1000rpm

Out launch-a-rama ;)

Let's put it to bed and grab a beer somewhere...

4-BNGR

Out launch-a-rama? Earlier you said "60ft" time. I assure you that once both cars get to 2500rpm it is over (that is included in the 60ft time).

A. That is not ft/lbs on the right, that is Nm.

B. Who launches at 1000rpm? With that said, you are just "guessing" what the C4S puts down at "just above idle" speed; which is around 780rpm if I remember correctly. They are both around 28-290Nm, actually.

Do you see the difference in torque curves @ 2500rpm? There is an exponential increase in the torque curve on the turbo vs the C4S.

Please, stop this. You are wrong, okay? Trust me on this. I own one of the cars in question and have driven the other rather extensively. The C4S DOES NOT outlaunch the Twin Turbo. It doesn't out 60ft it and it doesn't out 0-60 it.