Well it was Friday night and i was headed to my friends house to go out....when from Hollywood....there was a white integra in which i saw and followed to the freeway ( i needed that freeway also -101N- ) Anyway he has exhaust and it sounded pretty ok. We are going and i am following him, he's going about 85 faster than anyone else on the freeway, so i wait till we hit the 170 becuase its more wider and not as much traffic....so as soon as we hit the 170 i pass him to let him know i wanna see what he has, and as i suspected he follwos me and goes in front of me in hte far left lane next to the carpool...I am 2 cars behind him when i see his exhausr back-fire and hear his engine go WOT, so I do too....from 80 to 100 i pull on him a car, and all the way to 135-140 i was next to his window, but i had to break because of a car in front....
We both slow down and i go next to him and look at him...he looks back as we give eachother the thumbs up....I keep driving and see he exits the one i need....so we end up side by side again and he said to pull over becuase he was interested in purchasing a bmw also....so i pull over at my friends house and he says that he has full type r pistons, headers,canms, intake, and some otehr stuff i forget....he said he ususally stop around 110 becuase the other cars he races are like 5-10 cars behind....so we talk some more and he leaves....kool guy...

2nd race; Comming back home from that same night i see a gray 330ci with a guy in a hat driving....he was fooling around with a benz i forget what it was i think E, im not sure....So i go next to him and rev a little a let go....then he goes in front of me. I am again about 2 cars behind when he goes WOT, and i follow...we had to stop becuase of traffic but there was a clear way coming up....he is still ahead and goes WOT and goes right lane to avoid a car and i follow him.....at around 100-120 i am pulling on him, and am almost next to his window....i am smiling because he probably thinks i am stock, and is wondering why i pulled on him.....but he didnt look over for any aknowledgement.....so i just exited.....good night

mods?

Hm i posted the mods but its not up....but here it is,....

Raced: DINAN Chip
Now: Chip, Custom Intake
Future: Shark Injector, Exhaust, Supercharger, Etc.

330 must have been auto, because a chip would not give you the advantage over an e46 330 manual any day. Nice kills though. I'm not trying to bash you or say you didnt win, I believe you of course, i'm just voicing my opinion.

hey when u took ure RES off, how does it sound....like deep and did it make a performance change (even if it was very little )

hey when u took ure RES off, how does it sound....like deep and did it make a performance change (even if it was very little )

Umm I noticed a slight gain in power. Despite what anyone says there was something. It was small but there. By the way I got both my resonators taken off, not just the one closest to the muffler, but the one right behind it also. They then replaced both by welding pipes in there place. Based on sound I love it. I have a much throatier sound now than before. And definitely louder to. I do hear a wierd noise I didnt hear before like a fan when I turn my car on and off. I dont mind it though, and when I go WOT my car sounds like a beast compared to before. Especially with my intake and exhuast. Cost me 75 dollars to get both taken off, and I have enjoyed it.

Good race with the integra, but i must say those mods would not give you the advantage over either an auto or manual 330.

Hm i posted the mods but its not up....but here it is,....

Raced: DINAN Chip
Now: Chip, Custom Intake
Future: Shark Injector, Exhaust, Supercharger, Etc.


You got it chipped now? Better check with JC Conforti Shark before you add that.

Good race with the integra, but i must say those mods would not give you the advantage over either an auto or manual 330.

Wow you couldnt be more way off man. An e46 330 that's an automatic is 0-60 in 7.0. That's the rating I found on the bmw website. A manual stock e46 325 does the same rating. So his car stock forget about even having mods is right up there with a stock 330i or ci with auto. It's only the stock e46 manual 330's that start getting into the 5 second range.

By the way I didnt know this until now, but an e46 330 with the performance package is not rated at the 225 hp, 214 tq. It actually has 235 hp and 222tq.

So thats probably why silverstreak is able to run low 5's as he's put it, and a 14 flat. You are an exceptional driver from the way you put it and you have more hp and tq. I think that means I've been right when I listed the magazine rating that an e46 330 manual is at 5.8 0-60 and high 14's. Because thats without the upgraded performance package, and not everyone is an amazing driver lol. Any thoughts on this would be understandable, but this makes alot more sense to me. Heres the link which shows the 330's with the performance package have more hp and tq.

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/330iSedan/techdata.htm

nice kills man, your car seems pretty fast

Wow you couldnt be more way off man. An e46 330 that's an automatic is 0-60 in 7.0. That's the rating I found on the bmw website. A manual stock e46 325 does the same rating. So his car stock forget about even having mods is right up there with a stock 330i or ci with auto. It's only the stock e46 manual 330's that start getting into the 5 second range.
Yes from 0-60 they might be even but then start looking at 0-80,0-100,0-120 and the 330 will start pulling away.

Especially on the highway the 330 is only going to change gears maybe twice, but most likely once. And with roughly 5% more drivetrain loss(compared to manual) is not gonna be enuff to put the 325 ahead.

Yes from 0-60 they might be even but then start looking at 0-80,0-100,0-120 and the 330 will start pulling away.

Especially on the highway the 330 is only going to change gears maybe twice, but most likely once. And with roughly 5% more drivetrain loss(compared to manual) is not gonna be enuff to put the 325 ahead.

ditto, i think mr dinan325 have been smoking it lately with his posts of how the 325 is damn near a ferarri ;)

By the way I didnt know this until now, but an e46 330 with the performance package is not rated at the 225 hp, 214 tq. It actually has 235 hp and 222tq.

So thats probably why silverstreak is able to run low 5's as he's put it, and a 14 flat.
i'm not calling BS, but i'm not sure i buy it either...

the 240 bhp, 232 ft-lb S52 engine is only enough to get a stock M Coupe (which weighs a good 300-400 lbs less than an e46) through the 1/4 mile in 14 flat...high 13's if you're an excellent driver.

now the ZHP (a much heavier and less powerful car than the M Coupe) supposedly runs a 14 flat? if that's the case, that's news to me...

i'm not calling BS, but i'm not sure i buy it either...

the 240 bhp, 232 ft-lb S52 engine is only enough to get a stock M Coupe (which weighs a good 300-400 lbs less than an e46) through the 1/4 mile in 14 flat...high 13's if you're an excellent driver.

now the ZHP (a much heavier and less powerful car than the M Coupe) supposedly runs a 14 flat? if that's the case, that's news to me...
When he ran that 14 flat he had taken out his seats and some other stuff, so i wouldnt consider that stock. IMO, I really dont think theres that much of a speed diff between the ZHP 330 and reg 330.

Stock Integra Type R's are quicker than manual 330Ci's.

I'm not calling BS, just saying that you didn't race a real Integra Type R if your 325 stood any chance in hell of keeping up.

When he ran that 14 flat he had taken out his seats and some other stuff, so i wouldnt consider that stock. IMO, I really dont think theres that much of a speed diff between the ZHP 330 and reg 330.
my mistake, didn't know he wasn't stock...still, a 14.0 1/4 mile sounds very optimistic for a ZHP. he must have shed alot of weight if he didn't have engine mods. and i agree that the ZHP isn't significantly faster than the standard version. of course you're not just paying for power increases (as minimal as they may be) when you get a ZHP. you get different body kit, etc.

What do integra type r's run?

EDIT- ok i did some searching and it seems that Integra type r's run hi 14s/low 15s, making them slower than 330 manuals.

What do integra type r's run?

EDIT- ok i did some searching and it seems that Integra type r's run hi 14s/low 15s, making them slower than 330 manuals.

Well I guess that proves Reid wrong then when he said STOCK integra typem R's are faster than 330ci manuals. That's if your research is correct, and I'm sure it is.

ditto, i think mr dinan325 have been smoking it lately with his posts of how the 325 is damn near a ferarri ;)

I'm sorry man, but how could you even dare compare the 325 to a ferrari. I'm thinking more like a lambo :D

EDIT- ok i did some searching and it seems that Integra type r's run hi 14s/low 15s, making them slower than 330 manuals.
Wrong. Mid to low 14's at high 90's. A chip is not going to be enough for any 325 to run with an ITR at speed ... ever.

There are so many fake R's out there though...

Wrong. Mid to low 14's at high 90's. A chip is not going to be enough for any 325 to run with an ITR at speed ... ever.

There are so many fake R's out there though...
I wasnt able to find a ton of results(using yahoo), can u post some links?

Im doing even more searching and Im still getting high 14s, but at low-mid 90s.

No offense, I don't know what the situation was, but I've ran a 325ci manual, with my 330ci manual, and although it was fun, it wasn't even a race. On the highway, the car pulls, but then again so does the 325, but at speed, there is still know way you were gaining on him (unless he let off the throttle)

No offense, I don't know what the situation was, but I've ran a 325ci manual, with my 330ci manual, and although it was fun, it wasn't even a race. On the highway, the car pulls, but then again so does the 325, but at speed, there is still know way you were gaining on him (unless he let off the throttle)

Unless he was auto????

Unless he was auto????
Like I said before, the 330 being an auto wont make that big of a difference(compared to manual) in this case.

my mistake, didn't know he wasn't stock...still, a 14.0 1/4 mile sounds very optimistic for a ZHP. he must have shed alot of weight if he didn't have engine mods. and i agree that the ZHP isn't significantly faster than the standard version. of course you're not just paying for power increases (as minimal as they may be) when you get a ZHP. you get different body kit, etc.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206858

Im doing even more searching and Im still getting high 14s, but at low-mid 90s.
Ask the question over on Honda-Tech. There is even a guy that broke into the 13's with just weight removal.

Now I am not saying the ITR is a great drag car, but I did own one for a while back in 01-02. As a track car it was fantastic, the only FWD car I have owned in the past 10 years and really the only one I would consider.

He never said it was a Type-R....he said it had type-R pieces. Thats a whole different story because unless he did the work himself he doesn't even have any idea what is "really" inside the engine. Real type-Rs are extremely fast four cylinder cars but it is very possible he beat him.

Ask the question over on Honda-Tech. There is even a guy that broke into the 13's with just weight removal.

Now I am not saying the ITR is a great drag car, but I did own one for a while back in 01-02. As a track car it was fantastic, the only FWD car I have owned in the past 10 years and really the only one I would consider.
I dont care what a car can run with weight removal.

Good for you; thanks for contributing that gem because you know ... we all care.

Again, they are low-mid 14 second cars.

Good for you; thanks for contributing that gem because you know ... we all care.

Again, they are low-mid 14 second cars.
Again, wheres that link?

There are so many fake R's out there though...
I definitly agree with that one! Infact there is an identical Type R at my school and I swore that was real until I saw the engine, non-VTEC! And type R's have VTEC right? B-16 VTEC don't they?

Like I said before, the 330 being an auto wont make that big of a difference(compared to manual) in this case.

Why??? the 330 auto weighs more and does the 0-60 in 7.0 seconds. Why doesnt that matter, when the manual is more than a second faster especially if it's the ZHP version. I would think that would matter :)

Again, wheres that link?
Again, go look around Honda-tech.com. I owned one, you searched via google. I wonder who is correct here ...

And type R's have VTEC right? B-16 VTEC don't they?The ITR has a B18C5.

ITR's are fast cars, if we were going heads up in a race he would rape me by like 4-5 cars....but we were on the freeway, and thats where my car really shines....13-14 seconds cars have trouble passing me on the freeway..anyway...i raced a GS-R like two days ago heads up and he beat me by like 3-4 cars....imagine wut a ITR would do....i told the guy lets go freeway he said "no way u`ll beat me".....i mean quater mile my car is wacker than shaq, but freeway its something else..... :)

Again, go look around Honda-tech.com. I owned one, you searched via google. I wonder who is correct here ...

Well it looks like im correct. Most people say 14.7 stock, making it slower than the 330i manual.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=943803

PS- the ones that say 14.0 and 14.3 etc are JDM

Well it looks like im correct.
Maybe you should read beyond the first 2 posts. :rolleyes Makes me question all of your other posts ....

Maybe you should read beyond the first 2 posts. :rolleyes Makes me question all of your other posts ....

:rolleyes , I did! Maybe you should read all of them, because the concensus was that 14.7 is the stock USDM Integra Type R time. Were not talking about JDM here.

Thank you Reid and c steve for offering a different light. I read this title b/c it said Type R not a GSR w/ ITR internals. ITR's shouldn't backfire either, lol. That guy needs to get his car tuned or something. This isn't completely relevant but here it goes.

I have raced a 328Ci Manual before and won.

I was going 60 in a 70 driving, minding my business in the slow lane. He drove up from behind. I was staring at his HID's the whole time curious to see what kind of car it was. He came up next to me and down shifted. I pressed on the brakes to see the badging.

I slowed down to 45mph (keep in mind it's about 1:30 AM on an empty three lane highway) downshift in to 2nd. Put me at about 7,800 rpm. I honked 3 times and we both go WOT. I pulled a car n' a half on him. We did another run to about 120 and I was still on top.

I know that isn't completely relevant but oh well.

Why are you guys waving around your 1/4 miles times? On the freeway it's totally different. There is no launching. No FWD vs. RWD vs. AWD advantedges.

Type R's may be just 4 cyl 1.8 liters but we have very agressive trannys and our redline is 8,300 rpm. We have jack shit for torque and are all top end. We don't have great 60 foots but we can still hold our own on the freeway. ITRs weight a considerable amount less as well.

Since we are talking about freeway racing i'll post some relevant videos.

Here is a video of me (Stock 97 ITR) racing a friends 3.2 OBD1 E36 M3. Of course I lose but it's not nearly as much as you would think. http://bimmers.baddreams.org/3.2%20vs.%20type%20R%20round%204.MOV

Here is the same M3 vs. my friend's modded 97 Type R. Puts up a pretty damn good fight if you ask me.

http://bimmers.baddreams.org/100_0985.MOV (roll from 60)
http://bimmers.baddreams.org/100_0986.MOV(roll from 40)
http://bimmers.baddreams.org/100_0988.MOV(roll from 40- ~140)
http://bimmers.baddreams.org/100_0989.MOV(roll from 50-90)

right click save as

Here is the same modded ITR

RvsEVO8 (http://www.itrspec.com/VIDS/ITR/RvsEVO8.wmv)
2DSMvsITR (http://www.itrspec.com/VIDS/ITR/2DSMvsITR.wmv)

Here's what happens when FWD ITR has to launch against a RWD S2K
Rvs04S2k (http://www.itrspec.com/VIDS/ITR/Rvs04S2k.wmv)

There is much more than just quarter mile times that factor in to a race.

Nice videos. I know that 1/4 mile times dont mean everything but MPH can tell you alot.

All the more proof that evos arent that fast on the freeway. Im tired of people thinking that since they do 0-60 in like 5.0 that there that fast on the freeway.