Whats up all
This is my first kill story
I was crusing along 580 looking for a little fun when i came up a what looks to be a mid 90's corvette. I don't know to much about corvettes but this one sounded pretty mean and had some badge that said ZR1 so i figure i would try to have some fun with him. His plates said "habye"(something like that) so i guess he would be up for it. I get next to this guy and goose it a few times and he looks over at me and smiles but does not do anything. all of a sudden a sportbike come along side of him and then it was on. Holly s&%t he smoked that bike. like the bike was standing still. I tried to keep up but it was over for me in about 5 seconds they where 100 yards ahead of me. Well after a couple min later I finally catch up to him (he was crusing about 70 at that point) And I try again trying to race this guy but he just smiled and just kept it at 70. So i just got on it and went on my way.

ZR-1 Vettes are no joke. Not many people know how fast those cars are. You can get 500rwhp just by opening the hood and talking nicely to the engine. :D I think that guy you are talking about is a member of this board.

I think that guy you are talking about is a member of this board.

He is. He should be joining this thread shortly. Dont feel bad, the ZR-1 is still to this day one of the sickest roll-on cars this side of a single turbo Supra. My car is quick on the highway, Id have nothing for a well-driven ZR-1.

:)

My friend has a ZR-1 and they are fast cars. I have driven it as well, fast car.

wow there that fast? What kind of bike was it?

Whats up all
This is my first kill story
I was crusing along 580 looking for a little fun when i came up a what looks to be a mid 90's corvette. I don't know to much about corvettes but this one sounded pretty mean and had some badge that said ZR1 so i figure i would try to have some fun with him. His plates said "habye"(something like that) so i guess he would be up for it. I get next to this guy and goose it a few times and he looks over at me and smiles but does not do anything. all of a sudden a sportbike come along side of him and then it was on. Holly s&%t he smoked that bike. like the bike was standing still. I tried to keep up but it was over for me in about 5 seconds they where 100 yards ahead of me. Well after a couple min later I finally catch up to him (he was crusing about 70 at that point) And I try again trying to race this guy but he just smiled and just kept it at 70. So i just got on it and went on my way.

Was it black w/Quad exhaust in the back, and body kit?

yea, he's on the board, i knew i recognized the plate

Corvettes are baddass! :buttrock

Whats up all
This is my first kill story
I was crusing along 580 looking for a little fun when i came up a what looks to be a mid 90's corvette. I don't know to much about corvettes but this one sounded pretty mean and had some badge that said ZR1 so i figure i would try to have some fun with him. His plates said "habye"(something like that) so i guess he would be up for it. I get next to this guy and goose it a few times and he looks over at me and smiles but does not do anything. all of a sudden a sportbike come along side of him and then it was on. Holly s&%t he smoked that bike. like the bike was standing still. I tried to keep up but it was over for me in about 5 seconds they where 100 yards ahead of me. Well after a couple min later I finally catch up to him (he was crusing about 70 at that point) And I try again trying to race this guy but he just smiled and just kept it at 70. So i just got on it and went on my way.

Hey hows it going. Yes that was me. Sorry for not racing you I had my eye on the bike and was waiting for him. I normally don't get to many cars that want to race so I tend to pick on bikes instead :D . I promise if I see you again i will go for it. :)

I thought the bike was a R1 buit was wrong. maybe a 600 or 750. It was over by the time we hit 100.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v312/jhong321/DSC00159.jpg

I thought the bike was a R1 buit was wrong. maybe a 600 or 750. It was over by the time we hit 100.




You know you have a fast car when you start leaving bikes like that...sick...absolutely sick.

You know you have a fast car when you start leaving bikes like that...sick...absolutely sick.
I normally don't beat bike that fast but i don't think the person on the bike really knew how to wind it out. I think alot of people that own bikes really don't know how to really push it. I must admit it would be pretty scary doing over 100mph on a bike knowing that the littlest mess up and you are done for good.

You know you have a fast car when you start leaving bikes like that...sick...absolutely sick.I agree!! My Vette is wicked fast & I raced a modded gsxr 1100....He did a wheelie by me when he hit 3rd gear! :eek:

So that was you Jhong cool car. whats the diff between a ZR1 and corvette? What mods do you have ? Maybe we will meet again.

I think you could take him man. Just strap a turbine engine into your trunk and you're good. :D

Jhong,
Great kill on that bike!! Very impressive.

I'm far too lazy to search around, what are the stats on the ZR-1??

That's cool that you guys were both on here... :buttrock

Those ZR-1 are very sweet.

So that was you Jhong cool car. whats the diff between a ZR1 and corvette? What mods do you have ? Maybe we will meet again.
The regular C4 corvettes of the day had 5.7 litre pushrod V8s, 2 valves/cylinder, making between 245bhp (L88) and then 300 bhp (LT-1).

The ZR-1 was a limited edition version of the C4 which had twin-cam 4valve/cylinder 5.7 litre engine designed by Lotus. It was designated the LT-5.

They were introduced with a power rating of 385bhp and then later bumped up to 405bhp (kinda like what they did with the early and the current Z06's, respectively).

It's kinda hard to tell the ZR-1 from the regular C4's of the day, I only know of one visual cue apart from the badges. My trained "spotter's-eye" picks 'em out by looking for a CHMSL on the roof just above the hatch-glass. The run-of-the-mill C4 had it between the taillamps. Any other hints, Corvette-heads?

. Any other hints, Corvette-heads?The rear bumper is wider on the zr-1 than other c-4's!

The rear bumper is wider on the zr-1 than other c-4's!

What he said. Dont forget, those were $60k cars in 1990!!! You can buy a new Z06 right now today for less that what those cars were new. It was a true supercar of its day, and like i said earlier, obviously is still totally competitive. That motor was WAY ahead of its time. The tuner companies (Doug Levin comes to mind) had some super-sick mods for those cars. Some still do work on them. Last i checked, you could still buy that motor as a crate motor, for the bargain price of $26,000. If you cant tell, ZR-1 is one of my all time favorite cars. Theres two around where i live, both are in a very sad state of repair, I doubt either of the owners really knows what they have. :(

That's funny, both of you on this board. Vette's are fast. I rented a C5 convertable auto one time and boy that thing could move...this young kid in a S500 tried to mess with me and he got smoked so fast it wasn't even funny. Nice ride man, I love Vette's! But BMW's are my all time favorite cars :) Maybe you guys will meet again...

By the way, a friend of mine was going about 110 in his friends 540iA sport a couple of years back on his was to NYC when he said about 6 bikes passed him going at least 150-160, he said it felt like he was NOT moving...He didn't even try that. You have to be pretty crazy to go that fast on a bike...

Hey All
Now I don't feel so bad being left behind the Zr1 Maybe I better stick to picking on ricers :stickoutt Hey jhong this is pretty cool that we both are on the same site.

:) Yeah, what did you expect?
You were driving your ETa, right?

The regular C4 corvettes of the day had 5.7 litre pushrod V8s, 2 valves/cylinder, making between 245bhp (L88) and then 300 bhp (LT-1).

The ZR-1 was a limited edition version of the C4 which had twin-cam 4valve/cylinder 5.7 litre engine designed by Lotus. It was designated the LT-5.

They were introduced with a power rating of 385bhp and then later bumped up to 405bhp (kinda like what they did with the early and the current Z06's, respectively).

It's kinda hard to tell the ZR-1 from the regular C4's of the day, I only know of one visual cue apart from the badges. My trained "spotter's-eye" picks 'em out by looking for a CHMSL on the roof just above the hatch-glass. The run-of-the-mill C4 had it between the taillamps. Any other hints, Corvette-heads?


Good info! The only hang up is that I thought ZR1's had Four Cams. I could be a crack smoker though.

The only other visual clue that one is a ZR1 is the massive 11 inch rear tires. I really like C4 corvettes. They feel more like sports cars than C5's.

Very cool that both guys are on the board.

Later,

S.

Good info! The only hang up is that I thought ZR1's had Four Cams. I could be a crack smoker though.

The only other visual clue that one is a ZR1 is the massive 11 inch rear tires. S. I think It is a 4 cam engine...the ass is also way wider than a regular c-4!

I normally don't beat bike that fast but i don't think the person on the bike really knew how to wind it out. I think alot of people that own bikes really don't know how to really push it. I must admit it would be pretty scary doing over 100mph on a bike knowing that the littlest mess up and you are done for good.


yup, bikes are scary to push them to their limits. it's hard to drag race bikes if you don't have a steering damper. I only have a cbr 929rr and if you over twist the throttle the front end goes light and starts to wheelie and forbid it will wobble and if you can't close it it's over.

i did a fun run on a 911 turbo. an old guy driving right behind me and when he got next to me i was not expecting him to floor that. damn that thing was wicked i just saw the rear end squatted and took off and i down shifted and tagged along as soon as i was next to him the bike started doing a wheelie and passed him. that's because there was a light coming up and he gave me the thumbs up. cool guy.

The LT-5 does have four cams. Its an overhead cam design, which is what makes it so awesome for a corvette. Two cams per bank, two valves per cam, you get the idea.
Crazy motor and way ahead of its time. We'll see if Chevy ever tries that one again. Great idea poor execution.

The LT-5 does have four cams. Its an overhead cam design, which is what makes it so awesome for a corvette. Two cams per bank, two valves per cam, you get the idea.
Crazy motor and way ahead of its time. We'll see if Chevy ever tries that one again. Great idea poor execution.

Just curious, exactly what was poor about the execution? Current Z06 Corvettes, which will beat the pants of any stock bimmer, have trouble holding the now-14 year old ZR-1s at bay. I would like to hear your logic on this. :confused :cool

Oh, and at $25k+ a pop, i doubt this motor will ever find its way into another Chevy. The Gen III (and now with the LS2, Gen IV) motors are just too good and too cheap compared to the Lotus product.

Oh, and at $25k+ a pop, i doubt this motor ...

My point exactly. Well, just about. It was already said earlier in the thread that this was a 60k dollar car and this was back in the early 90's. Yes it was phenomenal for its time. But the price and the overhead cam design were two factors that contributed to it's "downfall." I say this because (I don't think) it was ever a huge seller. The people who wanted corvette's couldn't afford it and people that wanted to modify it didn't know how. :dunno You have to remember that this is the first overhead cam engine ever put into a production Corvette. Corvette was always known for its performance per dollar ratio. The ZR-1 had a price that was in a completely different category. The Z06 is tremendously more popular because its the same idea as the ZR-1 but with a much better execution.

My point exactly. Well, just about. It was already said earlier in the thread that this was a 60k dollar car and this was back in the early 90's. Yes it was phenomenal for its time. But the price and the overhead cam design were two factors that contributed to it's "downfall." I say this because (I don't think) it was ever a huge seller. The people who wanted corvette's couldn't afford it and people that wanted to modify it didn't know how. :dunno You have to remember that this is the first overhead cam engine ever put into a production Corvette. Corvette was always known for its performance per dollar ratio. The ZR-1 had a price that was in a completely different category. The Z06 is tremendously more popular because its the same idea as the ZR-1 but with a much better execution.
well said

darkside's M3 is sikkk :eek:

haha, sorry for bein off subject...lol

ZR-1's are badass...Lingenfelter can rub a mean one out of them LT-5's...haha

My point exactly. Well, just about. It was already said earlier in the thread that this was a 60k dollar car and this was back in the early 90's. Yes it was phenomenal for its time. But the price and the overhead cam design were two factors that contributed to it's "downfall." I say this because (I don't think) it was ever a huge seller. The people who wanted corvette's couldn't afford it and people that wanted to modify it didn't know how. :dunno You have to remember that this is the first overhead cam engine ever put into a production Corvette. Corvette was always known for its performance per dollar ratio. The ZR-1 had a price that was in a completely different category. The Z06 is tremendously more popular because its the same idea as the ZR-1 but with a much better execution.

Ok i understand what you mean. From that perspective, your are right. I mistook your original post to mean something mechanically wrong with the vehicle or motor itself. It was an odd choice for GM considering the demographics of Corvette sales, yes. Your right, it was never a very popular choice, again just simply too expensive. I think it was a worthwhile mistake however. A) we got a world-class nasty Corvette back in the early 90's, and B) GM learned their lesson and marketed the Z06 in a much different manner, making one of the most popular Corvettes of all time. In fact, since something like first quater of 2003, 80% of FRC (fixed roof coupe) Vettes have been Z06 option cars. Looking to the future, I am very curious to see what price range, compared to standard C6 Vettes, the C6 Z06 (due in '06 i belive) will be in. :cool

The ZR1 engine is badass :buttrock I am sure you could easily get 1000hp out of it.

Whats up all
This is my first kill story
I was crusing along 580 looking for a little fun when i came up a what looks to be a mid 90's corvette. I don't know to much about corvettes but this one sounded pretty mean and had some badge that said ZR1 so i figure i would try to have some fun with him. His plates said "habye"(something like that) so i guess he would be up for it. I get next to this guy and goose it a few times and he looks over at me and smiles but does not do anything. all of a sudden a sportbike come along side of him and then it was on. Holly s&%t he smoked that bike. like the bike was standing still. I tried to keep up but it was over for me in about 5 seconds they where 100 yards ahead of me. Well after a couple min later I finally catch up to him (he was crusing about 70 at that point) And I try again trying to race this guy but he just smiled and just kept it at 70. So i just got on it and went on my way.



the zr1 engine is not an original chevrolet engine. it was actually made/built by lotus. :buttrock

http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-clas12.html

the zr1 engine is not an original chevrolet engine. it was actually made/built by lotus. :buttrock

http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-clas12.html

First, welcome to the board :D . Second, read the entire thread before you post. Its been mentioned at least 3 times so far that Lotus built the LT-5 motor. But hey, once more dont hurt a thing i suppose. :cool

the zr1 engine is not an original chevrolet engine. it was actually made/built by lotus. :buttrock

http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-clas12.html

More specifically Lotus was in charge of the head design. The block is straight, good ol' american Chevy. :stickoutt

First, welcome to the board :D . Second, read the entire thread before you post. Its been mentioned at least 3 times so far that Lotus built the LT-5 motor. But hey, once more dont hurt a thing i suppose. :cool

that's what i meant. it's built by lotus. :cool

like you said, "once more dont hurt a thing i suppose. "

i ran across the website and just had to post it. :cool

Good info! The only hang up is that I thought ZR1's had Four Cams. I could be a crack smoker though.

The only other visual clue that one is a ZR1 is the massive 11 inch rear tires. I really like C4 corvettes. They feel more like sports cars than C5's.

Very cool that both guys are on the board.

Later,

S.
well i happen to be a chevy salesman and anyone that say's a C5 is anything less than a domestic supercar hasnt driven one..at least not properly. dont get me wrong the ZR1 is one badass car, i still think C5 is miles and miles ahead of the C4. i've wrung out multiple Z06's and driven a 18k mile ZR1 IMO the C5 is a much better car....OMFG Z06's are nothing short of brutal. as a matter of fact (prepare to be jealous) oct 15th i fly to phoenix to do a ride and drive for the new C6 on a racetrack with a viper, a porsche, and a few other compareable cars. yay for me :alright

well i happen to be a chevy salesman and anyone that say's a C5 is anything less than a domestic supercar hasnt driven one..at least not properly. dont get me wrong the ZR1 is one badass car, i still think C5 is miles and miles ahead of the C4. i've wrung out multiple Z06's and driven a 18k mile ZR1 IMO the C5 is a much better car....OMFG Z06's are nothing short of brutal. as a matter of fact (prepare to be jealous) oct 15th i fly to phoenix to do a ride and drive for the new C6 on a racetrack with a viper, a porsche, and a few other compareable cars. yay for me :alright


I frequently track my 99 C5. Really great car. But in the C4, the steering is tighter on center, a little better initial turn in (crucial when learning a new track and trying to hit those apexes!). The C4 does not seem to be plagued with the same about of bump steer that occurs in the C5 when you hit anything during suspension load. Doesn't matter if you are crossing an expansion joint or trying to use the curbs at Blawkhawk Farms Raceway the car does not like being unsettled. This is probably caused by the incredibly stiff frame, I am not an engineer though so who knows.

Also you are not splayed out in the interior like it is a minivan while driving the C4. Yeah, I am probably the only guy that does not enjoy the extra interior room but I am not that tall to getting a Helmet in a Low roof lined car is not a problem. Being sawed off at the knees has its advantages.

On the limit I am very aware the the C5 is a better performer. Sometimes it is just a little numb. Performance is one thing and Feel is something else I guess.

Not to jack the thread. Just to clarify my point about the differences I have noticed between my seat time in the C4 and living with my C5.

Later,
S.

What I really don't like about the C4 is the typical 80's styling. Its all digital and "high tech" looking. I guess it worked at teh time, but it jsut bothers me.
I was at a car show with a friend of mine about a weak ago and, until I looked inside of a C4 that was there, I had forgotten that it had the seat adjusters sitting right on top of the bolsters. I'm sure its just my opinion, but something about that just says to me that they were trying to hard to be high tech. Like, "The seat adjusters are IN the seats, man!!" I doubt I got my point across, and its really much more that I don't like typical 80's styling than it actually having anything to do with the C4.

My seat time in a 1994 Corvette ZR-1 may be my fondest driving memory ever. It had been the car of my dreams since it's inception, I was even upset when the "regular" C4 vettes started using the squarish tail lights as that was one of the ZR-1s styling cues haha (hey I was 8 when it came out).

That car moved very well, but in reality a 405BHP Z06 will destroy it in every performance contest there is. This is not a knock on the legendary ZR-1 but kudos to the amazing abilities of the best Corvette ever, the C5 Z06.

Still, the ZR-1 had an aura about it that made it so special to me.

Imagine if they came out with a DOHC LS-2 motor for the C6 Z06!

Hey eigtyseven i know how you feel. It's wierd i have had 3 corvettes in the past and the zr1 is the most fun to drive . I put more miles on the zr1 then my daliy driver. (over 14,000 mile in past 6 months). There is just somthing about the car that makes you just want to drive it more.

I loked into it and I stand corrected. I thought Lotus just designed the head, but they had more to do with the entire engine design.

I've lost BAD to every Vette I've even so much as glanced at. Same with every Porsche I've gone against. I'd like to go against an XJ220... :devillook

Lotus did not build the LT5 engines. A company in Oklahoma called Mercury Marine built the engine.

Click Here For ZR-1 Info (http://www.zr1.net/ZR1_about.html)

By the way, the LT5 is the best engine GM ever had in it's lineup. Properly tuned this engine will make 575+ HP without breaking a sweat. GM should bring this engine back. It is sad that today a $30K Ford Mustang has a modern DOHC engine and the $60K Vette does way with an engine that has it's roots in the 50's.

JUST MY 2 CENTS

GAWD I LOVE CORVETTES! Definatnly my dream car I will own one by the time im 25... My new goal :D

Lotus did not build the LT5 engines. A company in Oklahoma called Mercury Marine built the engine.

You're right. Lotus didn't build the motor. They just designed it. And the only reason it wasn't built in a chevy plant is because it was cheaper to out source the work because it was such a low volume engine.
I agree with you that it is a great engine. Very spophisticated compared to other chevy's, but I would prefer the ZL1 from the late 60's. Not because it is sophisticated, but just plain raw. :buttrock
Also, I think it probably made more horsepower per liter in stock trim and I'm sure it made more torque.

I've lost BAD to every Vette I've even so much as glanced at. Same with every Porsche I've gone against. I'd like to go against an XJ220... :devillook


Not only did you lose BAD to it, you got busted with a a "Passing in a no passing zone" ticket. 85 bucks. BOOM. You like me now!??!?!??!

Not only did you lose BAD to it, you got busted with a a "Passing in a no passing zone" ticket. 85 bucks. BOOM. You like me now!??!?!??!
And you got reckless doing 55 in a 25 zone. BOOM. Don't speed, that crap's not cool, especially with a bunch of pedestrians and school children around. :nono

Neither is using profanity in the Main Forums.... :nono

Whoops, meant to quote, hit edit... oh well, point made....

love vettes and i even dont mind getting spanked by them.
if i can hang with a any stock vette new or old im happy.

By the way, the LT5 is the best engine GM ever had in it's lineup. Properly tuned this engine will make 575+ HP without breaking a sweat. GM should bring this engine back. It is sad that today a $30K Ford Mustang has a modern DOHC engine and the $60K Vette does way with an engine that has it's roots in the 50's.

JUST MY 2 CENTS

The reason they didnt put a DOHC motor in the C5 (evidentally they had one all ready) was size and weight. The motor they had wouldnt physically fit in the C5 body and it was 100 or 200 pounds heavier than the LS1. There's a guy on CF with a 6.8L 575 RWHP LT5, bet it sounds like a banshee too. :eek:

A fiery discussion of DOHC motors (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=854923&page=1&pp=20) :D