So I'm driving on my marry way on fletcher avenue. I had just gotten off i75, and I was getting ready to relax in my apartment. Next thing I know I see a civic slow down and pull to the left. I think to myself, DAMN, I wish he would have kept going. Would have been a fun race, or so I thought. So I pull up to next light and who comes next to me. THE CIVIC!!!! YESSSS!!!!. So we have some cars in front of us. The light turns green and as we start to drive and pass people I hear his turbo spool. This instantly told me I was about to have my a** handed to me. If I was manual it would have been closer, but unfortunately I'm not.

So we're stuck behind this one car trying to get into the right lane because it was a straight away on a pretty long road. We must have been going around 35-40. I put the teptronic into 2nd, and I was at like 4000 rpm's. He gets into the right lane and I follow suit. As he drops the hammer and let's out all his fury I do the same. Next thing I know I felt I was going backwards. I got to admit though it was fun getting killed. I havent raced in a while. So he made a right and went on his way. I waved, but got no wave back and I did a u-turn to get back to my apartments.

About a month or two ago I kept up with a turboed civic hatchback. It was the ex, and that was without my resonators taken off or pullies. I guess I learned my lesson not to mess with the SI!!!!!. He was fast, would have been right up there with a modded e36 M3.

Tonight I'll be going to a speedway to race so here we go for more.

I guess I learned my lesson not to mess with the SI!!!!!.

No you don't .......................get a manual car and then say that you learned your lesson not to mess with turbo'd cars :evil2 j/k

i like it when people posts in here after their a$@ got handed to them :D

Dont be pisst my friend has a 91 accord with a supercharged Vspec prelude motor in it(h22 i think??) completely striped and that thing hauls major @ss. That car has dusted justa bout every respectable cars around my area.. It will diff beat a slightly mod'd e36M3 no problem...I believe he told me it ran a 13 flat this week, but not sure... :redspot

don't misjudge VTEC

Hmmphh. VTEC aint got shat to do with it. One word....BOOST. Thats what makes a 4 cyl. hum. We do a good bit of swapped/turbo imports out of our shop, and some of them can haul very significant ass. Without the boost, they are pretty much turd-style. :cool

Dont be pisst my friend has a 91 accord with a supercharged Vspec prelude motor in it(h22 i think??) completely striped and that thing hauls major @ss. That car has dusted justa bout every respectable cars around my area.. It will diff beat a slightly mod'd e36M3 no problem...I believe he told me it ran a 13 flat this week, but not sure... :redspot

vspec? thats a new one on me.

Hmmphh. VTEC aint got shat to do with it. One word....BOOST. Thats what makes a 4 cyl. hum. We do a good bit of swapped/turbo imports out of our shop, and some of them can haul very significant ass. Without the boost, they are pretty much turd-style. i wouldnt necesarily say that, cause there are plenty of all motor civics eating civics with a cheapo greddy kit just strapped in there. I know i will be right up around the same horsepower all motor, as the turbo kit. Plus i think i will have saved more money. and im just gonna laugh when im cruising at 6500 and most people are already in 2nd gear and i scream it all the way to 8500. :D

i wouldnt necesarily say that, cause there are plenty of all motor civics eating civics with a cheapo greddy kit just strapped in there. I know i will be right up around the same horsepower all motor, as the turbo kit. Plus i think i will have saved more money. and im just gonna laugh when im cruising at 6500 and most people are already in 2nd gear and i scream it all the way to 8500. :D

good for you :D

good for you :D

Do i sense a bit of jealousy?

^ :biglaughb

good for you :D

are you mad cause niether of your cars can rev that high? oh and did i tell you its a d series? wooot

vspec? thats a new one on me.

i wouldnt necesarily say that, cause there are plenty of all motor civics eating civics with a cheapo greddy kit just strapped in there. I know i will be right up around the same horsepower all motor, as the turbo kit. Plus i think i will have saved more money. and im just gonna laugh when im cruising at 6500 and most people are already in 2nd gear and i scream it all the way to 8500. :D

Ive worked around Honda Challenge cars making 240+ whp on motor, yes it can be done. Will you do it for less than a turbo setup? No. Will you do it with a D series? Not no but HELL no. We have a FULL bolt on D series car (granted its a coupe, not hatch, full interior) with a 65 wet shot he just does get in the 9's in the 1/8. SOmething like 180 whp ON SPRAY. Pathetic. Not to be a hater and i mean no offense, but you sound liek some of the customers i have, and the D series seems to attract the sort. Why anyone bothers with that motor when theres soooo many other better import motors I will never know. But hey, good luck, and Id love to see you prove me wrong. :cool

are you mad cause niether of your cars can rev that high? oh and did i tell you its a d series? wooot

i was just giving you props but i guess you took it the wrong way.... :( is that how you civic people are? my cars might not rev that high but it can take me from point a to point b with no problem. compare to your car mine are just POS. oh and you have a d series..... :eyecrazy that was just awesome................someday i will own a honda civic d series.....someday my friend ....someday

Do i sense a bit of jealousy?


i admit it :evil2 i'm really jealous.....ever since i started driving i couldn't think of anything to drive but a honda civic with d series motor but your 323is is very reachable.................. :redspot

i was just giving you props but i guess you took it the wrong way.... :( is that how you civic people are? my cars might not rev that high but it can take me from point a to point b with no problem. compare to your car mine are just POS. oh and you have a d series..... :eyecrazy that was just awesome................someday i will own a honda civic d series.....someday my friend ....someday


what year is a D series? I thought they were called EKs, like the BMW E36, E46, E39...etc?

was it the coupe si that they made in only 99-00? i used to own one. What color was it

what year is a D series? I thought they were called EKs, like the BMW E36, E46, E39...etc?

Its the motor series, not body series. Its basically the bastard child of Honda motors. I dont think they've even dropped a turbo kit for them yet, might be on the way. The only people who try and make them fast are guys who a) have one and cant afford a swap (which is fine, no harm there) or b) the guys who want to prove everyone wrong that by God they will MAKE 200 WHP ON A D SEIRES ALL MOTOR!! Man Ive heard that statement a time or two. I suppose it could be done, but you best have some deep ass pockets.

what year is a D series? I thought they were called EKs, like the BMW E36, E46, E39...etc?


d series is motor series like phatna said............. like s52 on an M3( but they can only go to 7200 rpm even with a chip) unless i change the cam ..........so i was thinking of putting one of those d series on my M3 so i can have 8500 rpm just like jeff13 said...... :devillook

Its the motor series, not body series. Its basically the bastard child of Honda motors. I dont think they've even dropped a turbo kit for them yet, might be on the way. The only people who try and make them fast are guys who a) have one and cant afford a swap (which is fine, no harm there) or b) the guys who want to prove everyone wrong that by God they will MAKE 200 WHP ON A D SEIRES ALL MOTOR!! Man Ive heard that statement a time or two. I suppose it could be done, but you best have some deep ass pockets.

just thought id show you this http://www.humbleperformance.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5911

the first is non vtec too.

and why swap a bseries and produce the same amount of hp or less for more money? it just doesnt make sense, besides who just wants to be some run of the mill kid with a stock bseries? I like to build motors not buy them. there is already a kit made by greddy, but its not complete. edelbrock i beleive makes one and that one is the most complete but it is also more. Granted yes it is easier to build a bseries, and yes i will own one someday for my other civic, just so i have 2 toys.

and is300 m the way you presented your statment seemed quite sarcastic, especially with the use of the same smiley face. a d series wouldnt be good for your car.

i just dont get it, how you guys knock hondas so bad and most of the people on this board dont know even anything more than TYPE RRRRRRR or Si meaning the 99-2000. si actually started in 87 and when people say Si you must clarify what year. im not trying to start a fight i just want to educate some people on hondas.
thanks ill let you know how my dyno goes when i get my head back. hopin for at least 150 whp, just so you know thats a 60 hp increase.

Brougham I never said it couldnt be done. Just for sake of parts availability and cost it doesnt make sense to try and pull tons of power out of a D series. The link you posted is a fully built motor, you can make 180 all motor whp without going into the bottom end on a B18 or H22 either one. But hey, like you said, for the guy that wants to be different and has the wallet to do so, rock out with ya cock out. :buttrock

is300 m the way you presented your statment seemed quite sarcastic, especially with the use of the same smiley face. a d series wouldnt be good for your car.

at first i wasn't but then you said something stupid that i have to be sarcastic....and i wasn't gonna change my S52 motor for a D series :nono :lol + i can quadruple your rwhp goal with my IS 300 with the help of a turbo. your d series engine might be good with the honda world but not here so please don't be so proud...

It's one of those things where you look at the Honda and think... "My lug nuts require more torque than that Honda produces..."

Never been too much of a fan of buzzy 4 cylinders. IE, ones that don't make any power till over 6k RPM...

at first i wasn't but then you said something stupid that i have to be sarcastic....and i wasn't gonna change my S52 motor for a D series :nono :lol + i can quadruple your rwhp goal with my IS 300 with the help of a turbo. your d series engine might be good with the honda world but not here so please don't be so proud...

well i usually am not going for rwhp, but anyways, im not in the world of racing e36 m3's with almost triple my horsepower stock, or even is300's for that matter, even though iwouldnt mind running one when i get my motor back. and i am proud of my engine cause i actuallly put work in to it, and when i am done i can say i did a 66% power increase, now how many of you can say that?

and to phatna-z i wasnt trying to prove you wrong i just wanted to show its been done, and im not aiming for 200 whp (not very streetable) im goin for between 160-175, which is very streetable, without doin my block, and h22's put out 220 at the crank so im assuming it shjould be around 180 whp from the factory.

and tcshmale, ive heard that joke before but i could also turn it around and say my own lugnuts require more torque than my engine puts out. and, i could also say, "my civic puts out more hp per liter than your M3" but i dont. and im not against having an extremely fast car,(my bro has a 3000gt vr4) sure id love to have an m3 but it aint gonna happen anytime soon. its not like im a fwd advocate, i love rwd more than anything. my next car id love to have would be a z28 or a ws6. but im workin with what i can afford, and its not much, so might as well make my car as fast as i can while i can.

It's one of those things where you look at the Honda and think... "My lug nuts require more torque than that Honda produces..."

Never been too much of a fan of buzzy 4 cylinders. IE, ones that don't make any power till over 6k RPM...

4 cylinders aren't that bad........you should open up your mind a bit.

Fair enough. Like i said, if you cant afford anything else, by all means work with what you got. I make my living helping people in just your position get the maximum hp bang for the least buck. I never make comments on someones car who is simply doing the best they can with what they have.

On the whole 4 cyl subject in general, i must say, a 285 whp car that weighs 2300 lbs is a blast to drive ('92 hatch, LS/Vtec, T3/T4). Torque steer takes some getting used to, and you can forget a decent launch on street tires, but once that little bugger gets rolling, Vtec hits a bit then the turbo gets to spoolin', its an experiance to behold. Feels a bit like a go-kart with a mil-spec solid rocket booster strapped to the roof. :buttrock

Fair enough. Like i said, if you cant afford anything else, by all means work with what you got. I make my living helping people in just your position get the maximum hp bang for the least buck. I never make comments on someones car who is simply doing the best they can with what they have.

On the whole 4 cyl subject in general, i must say, a 285 whp car that weighs 2300 lbs is a blast to drive ('92 hatch, LS/Vtec, T3/T4). Torque steer takes some getting used to, and you can forget a decent launch on street tires, but once that little bugger gets rolling, Vtec hits a bit then the turbo gets to spoolin', its an experiance to behold. Feels a bit like a go-kart with a mil-spec solid rocket booster strapped to the roof. :buttrock

mmmmmm ls/vtec turbo. and 170 whp shouldnt be too bad in my 2200 lb hatch. ill be eating most of the 99-00 si's no problem. and theres a kid in my town with a type r integ, that i am sure i can beat, cause my brother with an 88 si (just an intake, test pipe, and exhaust.) had him until half way through third, cause the kid doesnt know how to drive. and my other freind with a 323 had him all the way through third and then he pulled on him in fourth. and i am actually planning on buying a junk b18 and then just rebuilding it while im in school and then either put it in my car or my other car with a hole in the bottom end.

mmmmmm ls/vtec turbo. and 170 whp shouldnt be too bad in my 2200 lb hatch. ill be eating most of the 99-00 si's no problem. and theres a kid in my town with a type r integ, that i am sure i can beat, cause my brother with an 88 si (just an intake, test pipe, and exhaust.) had him until half way through third, cause the kid doesnt know how to drive. and my other freind with a 323 had him all the way through third and then he pulled on him in fourth. and i am actually planning on buying a junk b18 and then just rebuilding it while im in school and then either put it in my car or my other car with a hole in the bottom end.

Nahh you should have no trouble with that hype-R, especially if dude cant row em. And yes, 170 whp and 2200 lbs is a fun combination. :cool

Nahh you should have no trouble with that hype-R, especially if dude cant row em. And yes, 170 whp and 2200 lbs is a fun combination. :cool

cool im glad someone on here actually knows what im talking about. hopefully i can race some of the turbo civics i see, just to see how i do and surprise some of them. it should be a fun experience.

i dunno if you have ever been here, but you should check it out and watch the videos www.teamrice.org the kid brandon with the amberish ek hatch turbo is absolutely insane. check it out.
i think this is it, save target as http://jdmposer.com/brandonf.wmv sometimes the bandwith is exceeded but it shoudl work

I can't wait to see a honda float there ass-end around a corner :help . O.k. make that P.O.S. fast in a straight line. Good job :ar15firin

I can't wait to see a honda float there ass-end around a corner :help . O.k. make that P.O.S. fast in a straight line. Good job :ar15firin

The aforementioned Honda Challenge cars are more than capable of such. They make it around a track in an unbelivably short amount of time.

Everyone is so defensive of their cars it's ridiculous. I have owned bmws and hondas and they are both great cars. Both of them have their perks and both have their downs. To fight over which is better and why is stupid.

Everyone is so defensive of their cars it's ridiculous. I have owned bmws and hondas and they are both great cars. Both of them have their perks and both have their downs. To fight over which is better and why is stupid.

exactly im not saying anyones is better.

and jay323i im pretty sure the s2000 is one of the best handling cars on the road, as well as an nsx and they sure as hell can "float" their ass end around a corner.

Turbo Civics are Quick cause they are light as hell

What's with you guys? Do you honestly thing your sith dont stink because you drive a bimmer? If this guy cant afford a M3 but still wants to have fun with sporty cars is it friggin illegal to mod a honda?! Civics are really light so they are pretty fun in the "twisties" too and 200whp lightened civic is a mad mad machine to drive. Most of the guys verbally abusing this kid would have their a$$es handed to them in autox by well driven 200hp civics. :cool

Another thing is, there's always someone richer than u and this kid probably is doing his thing with his own money, not his fathers. Having a more expensive car does not make you a better person. ;)

What's with you guys? Do you honestly thing your sith dont stink because you drive a bimmer? If this guy cant afford a M3 but still wants to have fun with sporty cars is it friggin illegal to mod a honda?! Civics are really light so they are pretty fun in the "twisties" too and 200whp lightened civic is a mad mad machine to drive. Most of the guys verbally abusing this kid would have their a$$es handed to them in autox by well driven 200hp civics. :cool

Another thing is, there's always someone richer than u and this kid probably is doing his thing with his own money, not his fathers. Having a more expensive car does not make you a better person. ;)


:buttrock

Yup! Maturity and great personality doesn't come with how luxury or expensive your car is. Well said! Sometimes I think a lot of bimmer owner these days are getting cocky and most of the time don't even own the car they boast about!

From someone who owned a 2000 Si and who has been into Honda's for a long time: 2000 Si is fairly quick for a 1.6L. Runs 15.7 stock, compared to a GT mustang 5L at 14.9... S2000 makes the most HP per liter in the world. My brother has a 91 hatch back with a CRX motor in it with a custom junk yard turbo. His best time has been 12.45sec in quarter mile(with slicks) and no NOS. My last club had a green EK Hatch with an ITR swap and a turbo, he had somewhere around 365ish to the wheels or something. people that have ridden in it say that, that car is the fastest car they have ever been in. But then again a turbo M3 could do similar. you guys shouldnt hate..everyone has their own taste and dreams. and everycar like stated earlier has its pros and cons... :)

-Rad