I took my car to George at import cars last week to get some more serious power. Well, I wanted to run his fast black M3 to see were my car stood before he started his work. Man this video is ugly. I see how it feels when you guys ask Pat (big red) if you sure that guy was racing. I want you to know I have a real fast car but it looks like I am not pushing it. (Wrong) I was into it. My car has no problems walking away from z06s, and vipers. I look like I am going for a Sunday drive. Anyway I have the video and I need someone to host it for me. I will also let George comment on the fact that he almost hit me spinning the wheels at 60mph on 23lbs of boost.

The video right click and save as http://www.icsperformance.com/Ludlomvid1.wmv

Top of this section dude :

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225446

Top of this section dude :

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225446

Thanks uploading it now.

cant wait to see the video! ;)

cant wait to see the video! ;)

Bare with me I just got this software today and have no idea what I am doing so I saved it as an avi (480mb not good) So I am getting help converting it to mpeg right now. :)

Thats something that has always tripped me out with the E36 M3's. You never hear of one thats like a nice, middle of the road fast car...ie...ohh say 12.4 @ 114. Its either a mid-13s to (stock) low low 14s @ 98 mph, or some God-aweful turbo'd 500 rwhp monster. These things seem to take to boost like the 4v Mustang motors. Good for ya'll, wish i had the money, 500 rwhp E36 M3 is :buttrock .

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ooh i wanna see!

Thats something that has always tripped me out with the E36 M3's. You never hear of one thats like a nice, middle of the road fast car...ie...ohh say 12.4 @ 114. Its either a mid-13s to (stock) low low 14s @ 98 mph, or some God-aweful turbo'd 500 rwhp monster. These things seem to take to boost like the 4v Mustang motors. Good for ya'll, wish i had the money, 500 rwhp E36 M3 is :buttrock .
I guess you havnt been around here very long.. there are a bunch of people running forced induction here. Im hoping to go turbo soon :devillook

This really sucks I can't get it any smaller then 65mb. Help!!!

I am using sony movie studios

I guess you havnt been around here very long.. there are a bunch of people running forced induction here. Im hoping to go turbo soon :devillook

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Way to go dude.

And his post never said there were no turbos, he said there were either stock M3s, or monster ones.

:ar15firin :rocketwho

Blah, blah, blah, where's the frickin' video! :mad



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Blah, blah, blah, where's the frickin' video! :mad



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I friggin agree :mad

I friggin agree :mad

LOL I got it down to 8mb and sent it to the moderator. Should be up in a few.

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Way to go dude.

And his post never said there were no turbos, he said there were either stock M3s, or monster ones.

Yeah i was kinda :confused myself on that one. I was like....when did they stop posting the memeber registration dates on here? Actually glanced over to check. :cool

I Wanna See This Shi*

LOL I got it down to 8mb and sent it to the moderator. Should be up in a few.


YAYYYYYY!!!!!!!! :redspot :drink1

we wanna see the video! :D

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sorry to hijack this thread...

Mgregski, clean up your PM... its clogged up!!! grrrr

Done

Check out the video @ :)


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Check out this quick video (right click, save as) (http://www.icsperformance.com/Ludlomvid1.wmv) of that BMW M3 walking away from a Stage 2 Turbo-Charged M3.

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Way to go dude.

And his post never said there were no turbos, he said there were either stock M3s, or monster ones.

woops i didnt even look at the join dates :stickoutt I just kinda went by what he said.... would you agree with him? because i certainly dont. Lots of people are just running superchargers on thier m3's- without them having forged internals and being 'Monsters' making 500hp+.

BTW that video is insane!

Wow, looks like you had a little fun on 95.
I seriously cant beleive that i didnt know untill i got to school that all of the fastest FI'd cars are coming out of shop only 25 minutes from my house. Imported Cars is going to be the first place i stop when im on my way home for Thanksgiving break.

that video was insane.

from 1:48 to 1:50 ..hot damm

Makes it look like the stg2 isn't even turbo'd! :eek:

WTF the camera car was an AA stage 2 turbo M3? The other car should go supra hunting then!

WTF the camera car was an AA stage 2 turbo M3? The other car should go supra hunting then!

You won't have to hunt too far to find a 600rwhp Supra, hell I used to own one. I never even got to boost the thing past 21psi and it made 600rwhp.

woops i didnt even look at the join dates :stickoutt I just kinda went by what he said.... would you agree with him? because i certainly dont. Lots of people are just running superchargers on thier m3's- without them having forged internals and being 'Monsters' making 500hp+.

BTW that video is insane!


You're telling me there's Supercharged M3's making 500+ horsepower on stock internals? Can you point me to one I am very interested on how they did it in case I buy a new one.

Makes it look like the stg2 isn't even turbo'd! :eek:

Yea, My girlfriend asked my if my turbo was still working :D I had to cut that part out of the video. The funny part is that I spanked my friend's viper the night before and I got that on tape. It does look like I am not even racing. :eyecrazy But believe me I was. Next time I should win. Right George ;)

WHY????????

now I need FI. Crap.

That is disgusting.

Were both cars turbo? That video's insane!

Yea, My girlfriend asked my if my turbo was still working :D I had to cut that part out of the video. The funny part is that I spanked my friend's viper the night before and I got that on tape. It does look like I am not even racing. :eyecrazy But believe me I was. Next time I should win. Right George ;)
I got big plans for your BMW, its my reciepie, it will with no doubt make more power than the black beast <!--- , till Nick the owner of the black M3 turbo gets wind and has me install another motor in the trunk. ---> lol

:eek2 WOW! thats not right!!! I LOVE IT! :eek:

Whoa....

He definitely made the camera car look like it was standing still.

What're the power numbers on each car?

werd

Yea, My girlfriend asked my if my turbo was still working :D I had to cut that part out of the video.

In the video you can almost hear it say "Oh no! Don't race!" and you're just chompin on the gas. :buttrock

Holy mother..... that is insane!

oh.

my.

god.

That was just B - E - A - UTIFUL!!!!!

Whoa....

He definitely made the camera car look like it was standing still.

What're the power numbers on each car?

My car (camera car) puts down around 360rwhp on a mustang dyno. The black car on the same dyno put down around 640rwhp.(It broke the chain on the dyno) :D

My car (camera car) puts down around 360wrhp on a mustang dyno. The black car on the same dyno put down around 640wrhp.(It broke the chain on the dyno) :D
Exactly, I set the load for 8 seconds on the dyno, the car squated like crazy, started spinning the tires on the dyno and broke the chain that runs the drum. $125.00 dollar run costs him $800.00, oh well. :)

Words cant describe how I feel watching that video. But I'll give it a shot HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! :eyecrazy :eyecrazy :eyecrazy :eyecrazy :eyecrazy :eyecrazy :eek: :eek: :eek:

My car (camera car) puts down around 360wrhp on a mustang dyno. The black car on the same dyno put down around 640wrhp.(It broke the chain on the dyno) :D
holy crap......specs on his car please??

What the hell can I say that will accurately describe this vid??? DAMN!!! Once the boost hits that car is GONE!!! :eek:

Omg 1:47

awesome vid man, but next time video first, thread second ;)

I got big plans for your BMW, its my reciepie, it will with no doubt make more power than the black beast <!--- , till Nick the owner of the black M3 turbo gets wind and has me install another motor in the trunk. ---> lol

:evil2

lol ... watchout when George says things like that ... you know that his mind is up to some other wordly power gains ...

i rode in that car one afternoon ... my friends rode in it too ... we all have never been in such a fast car before ...

btw George my car is running great ... i won my first autocross with the setup ... learning to drive it now .... and have smoked a whole lot of people that look at those DTM pipes and I think they race me just to hear that awesome exhaust note! :buttrock

Awsome, but..
Is that a Gtech competition on your wind shield? If so, what kind of G's are you pulling on 2nd gear roll?, Im totally stock and pull about 0.45G's on 2nd
Looks like that other guy can peel out on 3rd gear WOT!! crazy stuff

About 2:01 into the video, look how he's holding on to the steering wheel for dear life, he looks hilarious :biglaughb

Awsome, but..
Is that a Gtech competition on your wind shield? If so, what kind of G's are you pulling on 2nd gear roll?, Im totally stock and pull about 0.45G's on 2nd
Looks like that other guy can peel out on 3rd gear WOT!! crazy stuff

No that is a GPS. I had to find my way back to the shop because the other car was too fast, :D

has he raced dados M3? i think hes in maryland too.

has he raced dados M3? i think hes in maryland too.

Dado's is light, but if that thing puts down 640rwhp, i don't think it'll be a problem.

Nice video, George... guess I have to come and see the beast sometime? :stickoutt

Boris

wow, very nice. what the hell was the guy flapping his hands around for though?

wow, very nice. what the hell was the guy flapping his hands around for though?

That's George's touchdown dance... he scored!! :)

JK... :)

Boris

i am pretty sure he was trying to get the other car to slow down,probably to do a 2nd gear roll gotta use hand signals when you cant hear the other person ............either that or it was sign language for i just worked you for 8 cars and i wasnt even flooring it

............either that or it was sign language for i just worked you for 8 cars and i wasnt even flooring it

Haha, hell yeah.

Man that car is sick. It makes the 340rwhp bimmer look like a damn civic ex! :eek:

That car is insane! :eyecrazy

Whoa 640 whp... awesome vid! Kind of curious now what will be done to the 'loser car' so that it surpasses that number! :eek:

Damn fast car George.

Nice to see other Turbo Tuners for BMWs out there. It'll certainly give others choices. I know who to go to if I want my Bimmer to go butt puckering fast. :evil2

I'm just curious though. Are we talking about an AA stg II kit @ $10,900 + George's magic to create this 600+ rwhp beast? Does this then turn into a $20k + project or so installed?? (Including misc. suspension/exhaust/clutch, etc, etc.)

...more vids please, "it tastes so good when it hits your lips"

I'm just curious though. Are we talking about an AA stg II kit @ $10,900 + George's magic to create this 600+ rwhp beast? Does this then turn into a $20k + project or so installed?? (Including misc. suspension/exhaust/clutch, etc, etc.)


Yes i am to curious to know what is involved in George's car that puts down that serious hp numbers and pricing.

...more vids please, "it tastes so good when it hits your lips"

WILL FERREL i think??? :lol :lol

Check out the video @ :)


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Check out this quick video (right click, save as) (http://www.icsperformance.com/Ludlomvid1.wmv) of that BMW M3 walking away from a Stage 2 Turbo-Charged M3.

where's the video? I only hear sound no video. :help

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!

It really get's your adrenaline rushing.

Wow, i need to go drive my car now.

Wow it looks good...

640 RWHP? the car is hooking up very easy for that kind of power, what kind/size of tires are on that car?

What kind of turbo is on that car? Must be something very big! :)

where's the video? I only hear sound no video. :help
You are missing the necessary video codec (decoder)

Wow it looks good...

640 RWHP? the car is hooking up very easy for that kind of power, what kind/size of tires are on that car?

What kind of turbo is on that car? Must be something very big! :)
The car was on 17-18psi the first couple run's , when I lit the tires up in second through 3rd too it was @ 21psi, then the last run was 1 bar boost. 634who on a dynopak, cranked the boost to 1.7 bar and turned the dyno off, it had a 12 second sweep and more than 2000lbs axle torque, not RWT. Pm me ill tell you the ingredience.

have you taken it to the track? if so what was your time and trap speed?

have you taken it to the track? if so what was your time and trap speed?
Not yet I figure mid to low 10's 138-142 mph

Can I get a ride in your car? please???

Just for the record... it takes the average E46 M3 convertible 25 seconds to get to about 135-140ish

[QUOTE=BMW#1Enthusiast]Can I get a ride in your car? please???[/QUOTE
]Sure we'll line up you bike and plane next to it lol. :)

wow! :eek:
amazing!

has he raced dados M3? i think hes in maryland too.

That car would EAT Dado's. No matter how much weight reduction Dado has done, this car has 120+rwhp on him, and probably that much more torque considering the boost level.

Awesome video. I love when you light up the tires like you're going 5mph in 1st gear and then just mash the throttle. Sick car, man.
:evil2

The car was on 17-18psi the first couple run's , when I lit the tires up in second through 3rd too it was @ 21psi, then the last run was 1 bar boost. 634who on a dynopak, cranked the boost to 1.7 bar and turned the dyno off, it had a 12 second sweep and more than 2000lbs axle torque, not RWT. Pm me ill tell you the ingredience.

I tried to PM you but your box is full...

Anyways, give us some details on the turbo and general set up, I am especially interested in the secret element that got you to 640RWHP...

I am starting to loose interest in the dyno numbers that are being thrown out there, Karl at AA thinks people are loosing interest in the lower numbers from mustang dynos compared to dynojet...however in order to get closer to 650rwhp I believe you must be doing something significantly different...

Supra guys are running big turbos (70lbs+flow) with 28-30 psi to get there...I know it is not easy... :)

Good job and good luck...

I tried to PM you but your box is full...

Anyways, give us some details on the turbo and general set up, I am especially interested in the secret element that got you to 640RWHP...

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Wouldn't 21 pounds on a T60-1 yield you that much power? I'm sure he has headwork and other factors as well, but 21 pounds of boost is an awful lot for these cars...am I wrong?

I tried to PM you but your box is full...

Anyways, give us some details on the turbo and general set up, I am especially interested in the secret element that got you to 640RWHP...

I am starting to loose interest in the dyno numbers that are being thrown out there, Karl at AA thinks people are loosing interest in the lower numbers from mustang dynos compared to dynojet...however in order to get closer to 650rwhp I believe you must be doing something significantly different...

Supra guys are running big turbos (70lbs+flow) with 28-30 psi to get there...I know it is not easy... :)

Good job and good luck...
Ill clean out the mail box within the hour.

Wouldn't 21 pounds on a T60-1 yield you that much power? I'm sure he has headwork and other factors as well, but 21 pounds of boost is an awful lot for these cars...am I wrong?

I have seen T60-1 do around 420rwhp...

21psi is way over its sweet spot. Above 16-17 psi you will get more heat with that turbo..

Depending on the setup 21 psi isn't big deal.. :)

Sure we'll line up you bike and plane next to it lol. :)

I guess that means yes :conf

Wouldn't 21 pounds on a T60-1 yield you that much power? I'm sure he has headwork and other factors as well, but 21 pounds of boost is an awful lot for these cars...am I wrong?

i don't think you can make 600 rwhp on a t60-1 turbo..................i read somewhere that it cant flow enough air to do that no matter how much boost you are running. correct me if i'm wrong :D

good lord

I have seen T60-1 do around 420rwhp...

21psi is way over its sweet spot. Above 16-17 psi you will get more heat with that turbo..

Depending on the setup 21 psi isn't big deal.. :)
You are exactly right 17-18 psi out of breath, good turbo for its purpose, 19-20 out of efficiency, W.I keep it cool though, but eventually the turbo with fail.

I think like 2 drops of jizz came out.

Damn thats sick! :eyecrazy

My car (camera car) puts down around 360rwhp on a mustang dyno. The black car on the same dyno put down around 640rwhp.(It broke the chain on the dyno) :D


You walk away from zo6 and Vipers with 360rwhp? :confused

You walk away from zo6 and Vipers with 360rwhp? :confused
A stage 2 AA car makes 360+whp, which is close to 400 if not 400 on a dynojet x 1.21= your flywheel horsepower.

:eyecrazy crazy :eyecrazy

GOOD GOD! More and more do I wish I had an M3. Especially turbo monsters like those.

You walk away from zo6 and Vipers with 360rwhp? :confused

With no problems at all. Mustang dynos put out lower numbers. My car is real close to 500hp at the flywheel.

With no problems at all. Mustang dynos put out lower numbers. My car is real close to 500hp at the flywheel.
MO FXXKING POWE!!!!!!! :D

Ledlum,

I met you at the DTMPower Dyno Day 1 3 years ago. I remember you brought your friend who wrecked his M3 with you. Your car was in the shop with a blown motor. I was the Indian guy talking to you both.

That was a a fun day.

Nice video. TOTALLY sick!!! :buttrock

Ledlum,

I met you at the DTMPower Dyno Day 1 3 years ago. I remember you brought your friend who wrecked his M3 with you. Your car was in the shop with a blown motor. I was the Indian guy talking to you both.

That was a a fun day.

Nice video. TOTALLY sick!!! :buttrock

Hey Andy,
Man where have you been? That dyno day was crazy everyone was driving so crazy. Hey did you sell your car?

In-fuckin-credible :eek: .

By chance was that video taken in dallas?

Nope, 95 (i wanna say north but im not posotive) in Stamford, CT.

That was good.

Holy hell, that was CRAZY.

That was so bad ass. I'm sure the camera car is incredibly fast but it really does make it look like its not even trying. I can't believe I didn't know about Imported Cars until recently either. I'm definetely going to need to stop in just to take a look next time I'm in the area.

holy crap, that is crazy... what about us non-FI E36s... we must be like civics to u guys lol

You guy's know the funny part, It was hot and very humid and 90 degree's. Still had more dial left on the boost controller. But you saw what happens when the dial starts to go clock wise. I will get a vedeo next week, of myself BOOSTING down the highway, with the camera facing the speedo, and the road so you all, can see how I get my VIAGRA!!!! Then, you 'll be very very impressed as you guy's join me together live in the cockpit of the BEAST. What are your thought's on that? Feel free to respond. :D

Excuse me sir? Mr. George? Have you ever done anything crazy like that with an M50? Would you like to? :D


Install Turbo in an M3... $20k

ledlum screaming "Oh My God, Good Lord" throughout the video....priceless :stickoutt

Excuse me sir? Mr. George? Have you ever done anything crazy like that with an M50? Would you like to? :D


Install Turbo in an M3... $20k

ledlum screaming "Oh My God, Good Lord" throughout the video....priceless :stickoutt
The funny thing is that if I got it through 4rth gear, Ledlum would have to use a telescope to see me, those where short bursts, I can work on anything BMW related. :)

The funny thing is that if I got it through 4rth gear, Ledlum would have to use a telescope to see me, those where short bursts, I can work on anything BMW related. :)

Dam your car is sick!! Can you do anything with a V8 Audi S4? :D

Dam your car is sick!! Can you do anything with a V8 Audi S4? :D ... ...doing the same type of work within the Audi / VW market.

Dam your car is sick!! Can you do anything with a V8 Audi S4? :D
There are many thing's availiable for the Audi performance line. If you want to disacuss this you can email me. Thank you.

How would a car with that much power handle on a road course? Would you just have to turn down the boost to keep control? Hmm, too much power, that would be a nice problem to have :D .

How would a car with that much power handle on a road course? Would you just have to turn down the boost to keep control? Hmm, too much power, that would be a nice problem to have :D .
On a short track so much torque you'll end up in the bushes, or in a tree. :D
But the boost can be lowered for less power.

:eek: That was nice :buttrock ...Great video...Love to see the in-car stuff too.

hey importedcars how much will it run me to get a decent turbo in it? I don't need that crazy power that guys was running but it is nice I'm just thinking about something decent.

Unbelievable!!! :eek:

how about a turbo for an E39 M5?

George,

I tried to reply to your pm with a very long reply :) , but your box is full. I'll be in Hawaii for the next two weeks. I'll check my emails at least once every two days. I'll stay in touch.


Juan

Damn!

I tried to PM you but your box is full...

Anyways, give us some details on the turbo and general set up, I am especially interested in the secret element that got you to 640RWHP...

I am starting to loose interest in the dyno numbers that are being thrown out there, Karl at AA thinks people are loosing interest in the lower numbers from mustang dynos compared to dynojet...however in order to get closer to 650rwhp I believe you must be doing something significantly different...

Supra guys are running big turbos (70lbs+flow) with 28-30 psi to get there...I know it is not easy... :)

Good job and good luck...

Does anyone know? :help

What codec do I need to view the video? Sound is amazing.

Does anyone know? :help
Email me gkimportcars00@aol.com :)

A stage 2 AA car makes 360+whp, which is close to 400 if not 400 on a dynojet x 1.21= your flywheel horsepower.

not really, but whatever.

properly calibrated dyno's should return the same numbers, and 1.17 is a much more realistic correction. 18% driveline loss is roughly in line with what a 60s-era automatic transmission throws.

you marketing people make me laugh. "360 is really 400 is really 484hp"

ITS 360 AT THE WHEELS, CALL IT THAT BECAUSE THATS WHAT IT IS... unless you've had the motor on an engine dyno... USELESS.

not really, but whatever.

properly calibrated dyno's should return the same numbers, and 1.17 is a much more realistic correction. 18% driveline loss is roughly in line with what a 60s-era automatic transmission throws.

you marketing people make me laugh. "360 is really 400 is really 484hp"

ITS 360 AT THE WHEELS, CALL IT THAT BECAUSE THATS WHAT IT IS... unless you've had the motor on an engine dyno... USELESS.
That is not true, if you like lets do a comparison, dyno for dyno. we wiil do a dyno day, ive been on a Dynomyte and a Dynoget huge diifference.

you're missing the point. one or both of the dyno's is not calibrated correctly if you are getting numbers that are that far apart (more than 10%!) (we've beaten this to death at least 3 times in the past three years, but I digress...)

the point is, HP is measured as HP(a function of torque), and one HP on one machine must = 1HP on the other.... if not, then something is wrong. I know how the dyno's work, I've looked at all the engineering and physics, and I'm telling you, "1HP=1HP" it cannot be "1HP=1.15HP" if your readings tell you that, then you're nuts or the readings are wrong, its that simple.

that leads us to the reality that likely one is right and one is wrong.

I'm guessing there is no baseline either... a shame, because it makes the comparison meaningful.

#1 reason why people don't post baselines? they invalidate the loss claims. if a 240hp motor throws 205 at the wheels (VERY common) the loss is about 15%... hmmmmmmmm. doesn't really do a lot to support your 360=400=485 proposition, does it??? instead it VALIDATES a usefull claim of 425HP at the flywheel!!!!

lets also remember that the only thing that really matters from a performance standpoint are the numbers at the wheels anyway. I want to see power to the pavement. that is what accelerates a car. flywheel HP is irrelevant, so why everyone juices their pants over "estimated crank HP" numbers is beyond me.

why do I feel like I'm getting sucked into an abyss....

btw, with your numbers, you are using a cumulative correction factor of ~1.365

you publish that and you'd get laughed off most forums.

and before you say so... yeah I've seen some 240HP E36M3s post numbers as low as 197 IIRC... even with that, you get a one-time correction of 1.21 not added on top of ~11% "dyno" loss...

not to mention that the running condition of those M3s was not verified in anyway however... remember that the factory rating is an average and it is on a NEW engine, not one in need of a tune-up.

not to mention that the running condition of those M3s was not verified in anyway however... remember that the factory rating is an average and it is on a NEW engine, not one in need of a tune-up.
Okay no one is challenging you in anyway, So from expirience why is the dynojet seeing more numbers, than the Dynomyte and the Mustang, and Dyno dynamic's? It has been proven dozens of times in my past expirience with dyno's. That's why we purchassed a Dynojet. I will post results soon.

all that has been proven is that one is accurate and one is not.... in this case, it IS science.

and I know you're not challenging me... you just hit a nerve. :D

all that has been proven is that one is accurate and one is not.... in this case, it IS science.

and I know you're not challenging me... you just hit a nerve. :D
Why would I want to hit a nerve with you or cause a problem? Im not here for that, just stating what ive expirienced, so I guess the Dynojet is the more accurate 1 since many people use it. Thank you for sharing your info. :)

I never said you were TRYING to... you just did, ce la vi!!

reality: a HP is a HP is a HP is a HP.

reality: crank HP is mostly meaningless when it is actually measured, and totally meaningless when it is estimated.

reality: whp is what matters.

reality: if two dyno's throw two totally different numbers, one is wrong.

Awesome video gentleman! :alright Keep them coming.

reality: if two dyno's throw two totally different numbers, one is wrong.

or both? :lol

Awesome video gentleman! :alright Keep them coming.
We will bring many more video's, and Ledlum had the head start everytime. :D Next video will have a camera in the car filming the speedo, so we can all GET HARD watching it. :)

or both? :lol

werd

"sounds like someones got a case of the Mondays"

:lol :lol :lol

Sorry man...just had to say it. No harm meant.

Why would I want to hit a nerve with you or cause a problem? Im not here for that, just stating what ive expirienced, so I guess the Dynojet is the more accurate 1 since many people use it. Thank you for sharing your info. :)


then there's the issue of 18% drivetrain loss... I don't think I've ever seen a (modern) car (in top tune) throw much more than 13-14% on a dynojet.... versus rated flywheel hp.

not to mention the fact that more people use the dynojet because it costs HALF as much...

and until you've had the car ON a dynojet, don't claim numbers for it.

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My Z3 only experienced a 13% drivetrain loss... At least that's what the #'s reflected, and Osh at RMS confirmed for me...

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What he said. Though i will interject a few thoughts here....Dynojets are a non-load bearing dyno, and rely simply on calibration to measure torque (and the ensuant formulated hp measurement), where-as a Mustang dyno is load bearing, and relys on a plethora of information inputed by the end-user regarding the vehicle being dynoed at the time. This can affect the numbers somewhat. I will say that I have seen at least 6 vehicles (including my own), not just BMWs, go from a Mustang dyno to a dynojet and the corresponding differences. Usually it is pretty close to if not slightly less than that 10% mark. Mine, for instance was 319 rwhp Dynojet, 294 Mustang. This was within a few months, both SAE numbers.

I read in a Vette magazine maybe a year or so ago, they took one C5 Vette and went to 10 dynos in 6 states over the course of a week, the variation was +/- 22 rwhp!!

All that being said: Thats why serious car guys could care less what a dyno says, its a tuning tool and nothing more. Ive never seen a dyno run the 1/4 mile. TAKE IT TO THE TRACK!!!! :buttrock

(officially off my soap box :D )

yeah stop reminding me of those cars man.... this is like one uber-depressing friday for some reason.

Good points, Phatna... that being said, I've only ever used Mustang Dyno's myself... which I was always told were more accurate, even though they produce lower (more realistic?) #'s....

What he said. Though i will interject a few thoughts here....Dynojets are a non-load bearing dyno, and rely simply on calibration to measure torque (and the ensuant formulated hp measurement), where-as a Mustang dyno is load bearing, and relys on a plethora of information inputed by the end-user regarding the vehicle being dynoed at the time. This can affect the numbers somewhat. I will say that I have seen at least 6 vehicles (including my own), not just BMWs, go from a Mustang dyno to a dynojet and the corresponding differences. Usually it is pretty close to if not slightly less than that 10% mark. Mine, for instance was 319 rwhp Dynojet, 294 Mustang. This was within a few months, both SAE numbers.

I read in a Vette magazine maybe a year or so ago, they took one C5 Vette and went to 10 dynos in 6 states over the course of a week, the variation was +/- 22 rwhp!!

All that being said: Thats why serious car guys could care less what a dyno says, its a tuning tool and nothing more. Ive never seen a dyno run the 1/4 mile. TAKE IT TO THE TRACK!!!! :buttrock

(officially off my soap box :D )


thanks for reminding me why I like having you around!

Good points, Phatna... that being said, I've only ever used Mustang Dyno's myself... which I was always told were more accurate, even though they produce lower (more realistic?) #'s....

Boy howdy s**t this is one to get a crucial debate going amongst serious car guys. Ive seen guys literally leave a premisis due to this very arguement. I know that for tuning purposes there are things you can do with a Mustang dyno you simply cannot do with a dynojet. Holding at a static RPM, part-throttle tuning ("street" or "driveabillity" tuning) and some other stuff i cant recall now. Im not a car tuner and dont claim to be. Ive never seen a comparison where someone took a given motor, dynoed it on a engine dyno, then summarily on a dynojet and a mustang dyno all within a reasonable span of time. Hmmmm, i happen to have access to all three within 20 min driving distance, all i need is the motor, a car and ooohh about $200 bucks dyno money..... :D

I'm getting some good stuff for this one...

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fact remains... an engine/drivetrain can only have one net output per operating condition.

granted conditions can change... 1hp=/=1.15hp just doesn't happen.

we're all good people here, no need to shy from the discussion...

the dynojet is a more "pure" measurement, but the mustang is a more "real" measurement.

I suspect that we would see a direct correllation between power-weight ratios (based on mustang #s) that were consistent with 1320 trap speeds, compared to the associated correlation using dynojet numbers. especially if we included in that correlation some correction for the cars stock stats and results.... I think that a linear regression would show that pretty easily...

I think a lot of people use rwhp figures and outrageous conversion factors for bragging rights and fragile egos to sell product...

As an old school drag racer, it's all about what's at the wheels anyway... and what you can do with it...

what, inflate figures for marketing purposes??? NO!

Or for telling their friends.... you've heard this before...

"Yeah it makes 600 horsepower..."

"Really? At the wheels?"

"Uh... no.... uh... at the crank...."

"How do you know?"

"Uh... well... er... cuz it made 480 rwhp and uh... there's a 20% drivetrain loss... yeah... that's the ticket...."

:rolleyes

I think a lot of people use rwhp figures and outrageous conversion factors for bragging rights and fragile egos to sell product...

As an old school drag racer, it's all about what's at the wheels anyway... and what you can do with it...

Yeah, ^^^ thats all it comes down to. Bragging rights. We've got two Saleen S351s that make significantly better than 500 rwhp. But with a full-on road racing Racecraft suspension, neither one has ever seen 11s. Are they slow cars? Heeeellllll no. Does a 568 rwhp dyno figure mean you wont loose to a car with say....320 rwhp ( saaayyyy Dave's much-mourned Z3)? With Daves consistant 11 sec et's, no it does not. Thats just what i mean by all this, dyno figures are great for internet racing and bragging rights, but they dont win races.

Das, i think you hit the nail on the head there with that last one. But nobody wants Mustang numbers cause they are lower. Go figure. I happen to be good friends with the local shop with a $55,000 brand-new state-of-the-art Mustang dyno. They get almost NO business doing basic baselines (fortunatly for them they are a tuning facility) for that simple fact. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :cool

Phatna, that's a shame, cuz Mustang Dyno shops are tough to find sometimes...

Yeah, ^^^ thats all it comes down to. Bragging rights. We've got two Saleen S351s that make significantly better than 500 rwhp. But with a full-on road racing Racecraft suspension, neither one has ever seen 11s. Are they slow cars? Heeeellllll no. Does a 568 rwhp dyno figure mean you wont loose to a car with say....320 rwhp ( saaayyyy Dave's much-mourned Z3)? With Daves consistant 11 sec et's, no it does not. Thats just what i mean by all this, dyno figures are great for internet racing and bragging rights, but they dont win races.

Das, i think you hit the nail on the head there with that last one. But nobody wants Mustang numbers cause they are lower. Go figure. I happen to be good friends with the local shop with a $55,000 brand-new state-of-the-art Mustang dyno. They get almost NO business doing basic baselines (fortunatly for them they are a tuning facility) for that simple fact. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :cool
LOL, are the hp/trq numbers in your sig wheel or flywheel?

Or for telling their friends.... you've heard this before...

"Yeah it makes 600 horsepower..."

"Really? At the wheels?"

"Uh... no.... uh... at the crank...."

"How do you know?"

"Uh... well... er... cuz it made 480 rwhp and uh... there's a 20% drivetrain loss... yeah... that's the ticket...."

:rolleyes

:lol If you could hear some of these talks in the shop. LMAO really just thinking about it. The only time i use a "formulated" fly wheel hp is when a non-car person asks me what my car makes, and i inform them the measure they are used to hearing by manufacturers is a bhp, or flywheel, figure. And even then I follow the figure with an "ish". I would never quote fly wheel numbers in a serious setting, or on the net in a discussion. Nitrous kits are one area you have watch out for this, considering i sell them. NX and TNT rate rwhp, all others are flywheel. Its s**t like that gets shops in trouble if they arent careful. Trust me, been there done that gave the refund. :cool

LOL, are the hp/trq numbers in your sig wheel or flywheel?


I assume your being fascious. Of course, those are rear wheel figures, dyno tested, mother approved. :D

Phatna, that's a shame, cuz Mustang Dyno shops are tough to find sometimes...

Tell me about it. And the man who runs the shop and dyno is probably the best Honda tuner in the state, if not the south east. Hes told me on one occasion better than half his business is from out of state. That has to say something. Guys build $30k Honda Challenge cars, talking 240+ whp all motor imports here, they go to him for tuning. Hes the man with an import.

Yeah, when I had the Z3 and those dyno figures of 321 rwhp, it was a Mustang dyno, and people would get all bent out of shape and accuse me of lying saying I had to have more rwhp than that to 11.7's at 116 mph, etc.... and it's cuz their thinking was all screwed up from the other inflated and unrealistic #'s....

Yeah, when I had the Z3 and those dyno figures of 321 rwhp, it was a Mustang dyno, and people would get all bent out of shape and accuse me of lying saying I had to have more rwhp than that to 11.7's at 116 mph, etc.... and it's cuz their thinking was all screwed up from the other inflated and unrealistic #'s....
Okay looking @ the video how fast would you say the black car is, stating the stage 2 cars run 12.0-12.2 119-121mph on street tires. Which was the car I was racing.

Not sure, man. What's the rwhp? Only running low 12's, and with traps around 120 mph...

Sounds like a driver issue...

What's it weigh?

Not sure, man. What's the rwhp? Only running low 12's, and with traps around 120 mph...

Sounds like a driver issue...
Thats the AA car with the camera in it, 366.8 rwhp on a Mustang dyno, on the dynomyte was 354.8whp. With Drag radial it will run 11's. The black car makes 634.4 whp on a dynopak, 2.93 gear 3400-3500 with my SLIM self in it lol. Id say 10.2-10.4 138-142 MPH with proper traction.

Okay looking @ the video how fast would you say the black car is, stating the stage 2 cars run 12.0-12.2 119-121mph on street tires. Which was the car I was racing.

Check out my mention of our two S-351s. You take your 680 rwhp (which is insane by the way, props on that ride, i dont care if its Mustang or Dynojet #s :D ) with a stock-style suspension setup and go to the track, i wouldnt be a bit suprised to see low 12s, but your trap speed would be ASTRONOMICAL.....140s wouldnt suprise me. Take that same car, (laughing just thinking about this) 4 link, tub, solid axle conversion the rear, put some 90/10 and 50/50 Lakewoods on it, slicks, skinnies, drop the front sway, cage it out, etc etc, its probably an easy 9 sec car. All i know is, Id hate to catch you on the highway. :D

Id say 10.2-10.4 138-142 MPH with proper traction.

I made my post before i read yours. We were pretty close. The "with proper traction" is the KEY to that. And proper traction with that car is a whole lot easier to say than to do.

Thats the AA car with the camera in it, 366.8 rwhp on a Mustang dyno, on the dynomyte was 354.8whp. With Drag radial it will run 11's. The black car makes 634.4 whp on a dynopak, 2.93 gear 3400-3500 with my SLIM self in it lol. Id say 10.2-10.4 138-142 MPH with proper traction.

Sounds like in both cases, it ain't been done yet...

If it ain't been run, it ain't been done.

Speculation, guestimation, and coulda, shoulda, wouldas.... :nono

Sounds like in both cases, it ain't been done yet...

If it ain't been run, it ain't been done.

Speculation, guestimation, and coulda, shoulda, wouldas.... :nono
Very true but when you race your friends ZX-12 or GSXR1000 and they both run with time tickets 10.1 and the other 10.33, off a role, and start to walk on them!! its kinds tells you from the MPH which they run 134-137 in 1/4 . Dead stop is a different story, if the car hooks something may brake. A 1.7-1.8 0-60ft time sould be no problem, the the MPH will take over. :D

Yeah, but if someone asks you what it runs, and it's never been to the track, the correct response is, "I don't know..."

Or if it's been to the track and never done better than low 12's, then that is what it runs, until it runs better than that...

Nothing irks real hardcore drag racers more than people's guestimations, especially when they are based on street racing comparisons from a roll, etc...

Might as well rely on a G-tech at that point...

Bottom line, if you wanna know what something runs, go run it at a track and find out. Until then, it's meaningless to discuss #'s... especially when talking about high hp cars than can be tricky to launch...

Yeah, but if someone asks you what it runs, and it's never been to the track, the correct response is, "I don't know..."

Or if it's been to the track and never done better than low 12's, then that is what it runs, until it runs better than that...

Nothing irks real hardcore drag racers more than people's guestimations, especially when they are based on street racing comparisons from a roll, etc...

Might as well rely on a G-tech at that point...

Bottom line, if you wanna know what something runs, go run it at a track and find out. Until then, it's meaningless to discuss #'s... especially when talking about high hp cars than can be tricky to launch...
Ive had Porsche's running on a drag radial 9.3 @ 166mph, so as far as knowing how to drive, I can drive well, If the car dosent run somewhere in the 10's with adequate traction first time out, ill light it on fire, thats how confident I am. :)

Yeah, but if someone asks you what it runs, and it's never been to the track, the correct response is, "I don't know..."

Or if it's been to the track and never done better than low 12's, then that is what it runs, until it runs better than that...

Nothing irks real hardcore drag racers more than people's guestimations, especially when they are based on street racing comparisons from a roll, etc...

Might as well rely on a G-tech at that point...

Bottom line, if you wanna know what something runs, go run it at a track and find out. Until then, it's meaningless to discuss #'s... especially when talking about high hp cars than can be tricky to launch...

Thats why when i show customers around the shop, invariably the graviate to the Saleens, and of course ask what they run. I tell them quick, neither has ever seen 11s (i belive the 99 car has gone 12.1) but both trap well into the 120s. The fastest 12 second car you'll ever race. :evil2 And yes, speculation is worthless, and no offense Import, but comparing bikes and cars racing to get an accurate 1/4 time, like Dave said, youd be way better off and IMHO much more credible to get a G-tech Pro and try it out. One more thing, since we were talking about them earlier, Mustang dynos allow 1/4 mile runs, and Ive seen them to be....suprisingly accurate. The only thing about them that is not is that I could pull about 1/10 average better 60 ft time on the dyno than in real life. Then again, we're comparing to Rockingham here, you could go to Atco in a snow storm and pull better short times. :rolleyes

If it ain't been run, it ain't been done.

Nuff said...

:lol You quoted yourself. If i hadnt "known" you for as long as i have, that would seem a supremly arrogant thing to do. But hey, when your right, your right. Thats a first for me in all my internet days, never seen anyone quote themselves. You trip me out brother. :D

Ive had Porsche's running on a drag radial 9.3 @ 166mph, so as far as knowing how to drive, I can drive well, If the car dosent run somewhere in the 10's with adequate traction first time out, ill light it on fire, thats how confident I am. :)
Wouldnt most rwd cars than run a 166mph trap into the mid 8s?

That's what I'm here for... :D

Don't forget to tip your waitresses.... :wave

awesome

reality: if two dyno's throw two totally different numbers, one is wrong.

Or one is measuring against a different LOAD than the other...

:rolleyes

Steve

Ok, i didnt understand earlier when your were saying only brand of dyno puts a load on the motor. I mean for a dyno to measure trq, the engine has to be under some sort of load, right?

Wouldnt most rwd cars than run a 166mph trap into the mid 8s?
Yes most cars with that kind of trap speed should go 8 sec'c. But remember its not a big block chevy with a trans brake. The 0-60 ft time was 1.6-1.7's not 1.2 0r 1.3 like amercan muscle, different kind of power all topp end. Still using factory 5 speed trans on drag radial's. Those of you who know Tito, turbo Tito, we beat him, @ an Englishtown meet, SilverStreak you should know him white 911 turbo, he was from N.J. This porsche run's over 200mph in the half mile, actually 218mph @ 7800rpm in 5th off the revlimiter.

Yes most cars with that kind of trap speed should go 8 sec'c. But remember its not a big block chevy with a trans brake. The 0-60 ft time was 1.6-1.7's not 1.2 0r 1.3 like amercan muscle, different kind of power all topp end. Still using factory 5 speed trans on drag radial's. Those of you who know Tito, turbo Tito, we beat him, @ an Englishtown meet, SilverStreak you should know him white 911 turbo, he was from N.J. This porsche run's over 200mph in the half mile, actually 218mph @ 7800rpm in 5th off the revlimiter. Ok then you see the point that your trapping around 138-142 is due to the top end. So im not so shure if your ET will be low 10s. Dont get me wrong, I love your car. Its still incredibly fast, just not from launching.

-I hope that makes since, i was having a hard time explaining this

Ok then you see the point that your trapping around 138-142 is due to the top end. So im not so shure if your ET will be low 10s. Dont get me wrong, I love your car. Its still incredibly fast, just not from launching.

-I hope that makes since, i was having a hard time explaining this
Well even somewhere in the 10's full body street car a/c and all, still very impressive on pump fuel.

Well even somewhere in the 10's full body street car a/c and all, still very impressive on pump fuel.
Very impressive indeed

Very impressive indeed
Thank's :)

Repost? Taken from another board.

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http://www.icsperformance.com/Ludlomvid1.wmv

Here's the background on this..

The guy that shot the video, camera is in his car, has a turbo M3 that can walk on Z06s and Vipers. He's bringing it to another guy to up the power. (if you can walk a Z06 and viper.. dunno why you'd need more)..

Anyway, he wanted to do a baseline race to see how his car compared to the M3 that belongs to the guy who will be tuning his car.

According to the guy that shot the video( in the turbo M3 that can walk Z06s and Vipers) , he was trying hard and was going all out.. but you'll see the results.

Apparently the opposing M3 is running 23 psi..

Is this the black M3 that pulls the other turbo like it's weak?
If so I think this was in kill stories.

Is this the black M3 that pulls the other turbo like it's weak?
If so I think this was in kill stories.

Yea it is. Damn. I searched only the OT board. I never bother clicking in the ghey kill section.

Haha fuck that thing is quick.

Haha fuck that thing is quick.

I'd like to see it run against Renegade's cars (big red etc).

My future project car is a S38B38 (built for turbo, at least 15 psi) powered, lightened E30.

God damn, about a 1:50 in...that thing takes off like a fucking rocket. Shit.

I'd like to see it run against Renegade's cars (big red etc).

My future project car is a S38B38 (built for turbo, at least 15 psi) powered, lightened E30.
have fun getting the power to the ground. it'd be kickass though :buttrock

have fun getting the power to the ground. it'd be kickass though :buttrock

Yeah, no kidding.. if only the iX hardware could be made strong enough. Off the line you'd probably pull so many Gs you'd pass out.

holy shit that things fast!!!!111

I like what I see. Hopfully one day ill have something like that. :)

Turbo your caddy.

ledlum,

You're in Maryland...when you gonna give me a ride, man? I'm in Linthicum.

Where are you located?

ledlum,

You're in Maryland...when you gonna give me a ride, man? I'm in Linthicum.

Where are you located?

Hey I am in Bowie, I will give you a ride as soon as I get my car back. (about 2 1/2 months) I should be a blast :alright

Hey I am in Bowie, I will give you a ride as soon as I get my car back. (about 2 1/2 months) I should be a blast :alright

Awesome. I know a couple people out in Bowie...sweet! Can't wait to get a ride in a turbo M3...

Oh Snap!, And the driver of the black BMW was a BIG guy! See him swell up when he punches the gas! Un F**KING Believable!!!! Very fast!

Oh Snap!, And the driver of the black BMW was a BIG guy! See him swell up when he punches the gas! Un F**KING Believable!!!! Very fast!
Thats my 250 lbs self, swell up lol. I actually had more power quiet abit more, but didnt need it. It was 90 and humid as hell, ( Do you agree Ledlum?)

Awesome car my friend!!! :buttrock



Thats my 250 lbs self, swell up lol. I actually had more power quiet abit more, but didnt need it. It was 90 and humid as hell, ( Do you agree Ledlum?)

Awesome car my friend!!! :buttrock
Thanks man Ill have it @ BIMMERFEST EAST next Saturday, hope tp see you there.

Where can I download the proper codec to view the video?

Check www.windowsupdate.com ... see if it will let u download a newer verison of media player.. newest is 10

Yes, you will need atleast windows media 9 to watch that movie.

I never bother clicking in the ghey kill section.

Oooohhh.. GHEY kill section... I'm shivering. :rolleyes

This thread is worthless without slips! :D

Boris

This thread is worthless without slips! :D

Boris
Well I dont thing the thread is about 1/4 times. (Unless im mistaken) :D

I guess a video documenting you blowing away a 500 Hp Turbo M3 is not good enough for some members. :rolleyes

Some people arent all about the 1/4 mile. Ive set up 10 sec cars for people that will never see the track. Just enjoy your car how you prefer. It wont make it any slower than you dont have slips, trust me. :cool

Awsome, crazy!

But all this discussion of numbers, where is the dyno sheet?

Awsome, crazy!

But all this discussion of numbers, where is the dyno sheet?
Its on the board somewhere, check it out look for it! :)

Is you car an auto?

Is you car an auto?
No its a 5 speed transmission, possible Level 10 trans with a stall converter in the neae future. I myself have 1 built 5 speed auto from Level 10 with their racing hardware from Africa. Good for 850whp, we will soon find out after I install it. Ill keep you guy's posted. Next week this balck monster is racing a GSXR1300 Hyabussa motorcycle, with drag radials, and a diiferent, rear diff mod. I will be driving the BMW Turbo, one camera on the speedo, and one camera on the bike. 2 passengers in the bimmer, off a 40mph, role. I will post the video shortly after. Buy the popcorn it will be very interesting. :)

when and where might you race the Busa Georgie? The connector in Norwalk, perhaps? Lemme know, I'd love to see that. Although, how the hell do i keep up to see the race? :lol:

when and where might you race the Busa Georgie? The connector in Norwalk, perhaps?

Rt. 25 the only place I go to run people, nothing is better than 4 lanes of wide open fun.

George-

Did you ever consider a euro 6speed (Getrag) same as Supra good for 1000hp. I have euro 6speed w/ 2.93lsd I love it. You can get a used one for a good price.

I'll put my money on the BUSA. Good luck though, very impressive George.

I wouldnt do a swap to another manual. In a car like his id def go auto to keep the boost up during shifts.

IMPORTEDCARS,
I couldn't find any Dyno sheets that you posted from your car. I did some that you posted of others though. Help me out please.

On a side not, the link died.

You walk away from zo6 and Vipers with 360rwhp? :confused
says the domestic driver :laugh

Can't get the video to download.

George-

Did you ever consider a euro 6speed (Getrag) same as Supra good for 1000hp. I have euro 6speed w/ 2.93lsd I love it. You can get a used one for a good price.
huh? tell me more!

themadhatter-

About the 6speed?...

Guys, just a reminder, this is in the Main Forums, so let's watch the profanity, or this one is done....

Also, about 1/4 mile times, I guess for some of us, it's not how much power it makes that matters, it's what one can do with it...

Next week this balck monster is racing a GSXR1300 Hyabussa motorcycle, with drag radials, and a diiferent, rear diff mod. I will be driving the BMW Turbo, one camera on the speedo, and one camera on the bike. 2 passengers in the bimmer, off a 40mph, role. I will post the video shortly after. Buy the popcorn it will be very interesting. :)

from a roll it would be close but i think busa would come up on top to a certain speed. but from a dig it would be a different story...... :D (with the right driver)

IMPORTEDCARS,
I couldn't find any Dyno sheets that you posted from your car. I did some that you posted of others though. Help me out please.

On a side not, the link died.
There are some posted on bimmer forums, post by DakarDave.

from a roll it would be close but i think busa would come up on top to a certain speed. but from a dig it would be a different story...... :D (with the right driver)

With the amount of power he'll be making though, I think he can hold off the bike. His car looks and pulls like it traps 140-150+mph easy...maybe more.

Please someone make the vid work!

Guys, just a reminder, this is in the Main Forums, so let's watch the profanity, or this one is done....

Also, about 1/4 mile times, I guess for some of us, it's not how much power it makes that matters, it's what one can do with it...


Just like the saying "the size of it doesn't matter, its how good you can use it" :)

Just like the saying "the size of it doesn't matter, its how good you can use it" :)

Never heard of that saying I guess white folks must use it a lot.

^^^ :rofl:

wooo some racism with a bit of stereotyping :eek:

I think white peoples' lack of lenght in that area is made up with their much higher IQ scores on average..
:stickoutt

Sorry, now back to the topic..

Just like the saying "the size of it doesn't matter, its how good you can use it" :)

Speaking from experience, perhaps? TMI, man... ;)

Cuz it doesn't work that way with drag racing...

What's so impressive about a 600 rwhp car that runs 11.9's, when one with 320 rwhp can run 11.7's? You know what I mean?

I mean I've known guys who had the same car as me with 80-90 more rwhp, and their ET's were literally a full second slower than mine...

He'd beat me at the dyno (whoop-dee-frickin'-doo... :rolleyes ) but not at the strip... so what's the point of all that power if you can't put it to use?

video that works? they are all dead links

Speaking from experience, perhaps? TMI, man... ;)

Cuz it doesn't work that way with drag racing...

What's so impressive about a 600 rwhp car that runs 11.9's, when one with 320 rwhp can run 11.7's? You know what I mean?

I mean I've known guys who had the same car as me with 80-90 more rwhp, and their ET's were literally a full second slower than mine...

He'd beat me at the dyno (whoop-dee-frickin'-doo... :rolleyes ) but not at the strip... so what's the point of all that power if you can't put it to use?
silverstreak lives his life a quarter mile at a time.

http://www.kinoweb.de/film2001/FastAndTheFurious/pix/ff3.jpg

The link at the start of this thread is dead.. I found a link to the video that works..

http://www.cozog.com/web/cozog.nsf/7958B51B3BEEF7FD85256F1D00770851/$File/Ludlomvid1.wmv


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Speaking from experience, perhaps? TMI, man... ;)

Cuz it doesn't work that way with drag racing...

What's so impressive about a 600 rwhp car that runs 11.9's, when one with 320 rwhp can run 11.7's? You know what I mean?

I mean I've known guys who had the same car as me with 80-90 more rwhp, and their ET's were literally a full second slower than mine...

He'd beat me at the dyno (whoop-dee-frickin'-doo... :rolleyes ) but not at the strip... so what's the point of all that power if you can't put it to use?

Hah! Silverstreak I challange you to a race.. I bet I can beat you :) I wish you was closer :)
My car is somewhat modded, don't forget I got stickers on my car(20hp each).

silverstreak lives his life a quarter mile at a time.

What's funny (or sad and pathetic, depending on your perspective...) is that I have never even seen that movie (but heard about that stupid quote)...

Yes, in the last 18 yrs, I have managed to run down the strip 8800+ times, so I enjoy drag racing, no doubt, guilty as charged.

What makes that comical (or is it tragic?) is how little some enthusiasts here at this site actually know about drag racing... :rolleyes

Hah! Silverstreak I challange you to a race.. I bet I can beat you :) I wish you was closer :)
My car is somewhat modded, don't forget I got stickers on my car(20hp each).

I'd be more than glad to take you up on that sometime cuz it would be fun (as drag racing is meant to be)... I'll be sure to order some stickers myself before the event.... ;)

Question to ricers out there, do you still get the extra rwhp if you leave them in the back seat, or do you actually have to put them on the car for them to take effect? :D

I'd be more than glad to take you up on that sometime cuz it would be fun (as drag racing is meant to be)... I'll be sure to order some stickers myself before the event.... ;)

Question to ricers out there, do you still get the extra rwhp if you leave them in the back seat, or do you actually have to put them on the car for them to take effect? :D
You missed a great time @ Bimmer fest east. I was hoping to meet you, and possibly give you a ride in one of the 2 turbo M3's I brought. :)

silverstreak: how much hp/torque does your car have and what are your times? Im just curious what a 330i can do..
I drove a 2001 Z3 3.0l 225hp, that thing was nice, always more that enough power..

What about the other video? There were 2 links on the 1st page?

ya there was 2 links floating around here but it seems they both goto the same video..

:alright You missed a great time @ Bimmer fest east. I was hoping to meet you, and possibly give you a ride in one of the 2 turbo M3's I brought. :)


Yea, I got to meet Mr. Turbo himself. Actually, I didn't recognize the car, since it's stock looking. I don't know if you remember me but you where sitting in the car when I almost past by you. But anyways. it was a sweet setup aswell as the other black M3. :alright

silverstreak: how much hp/torque does your car have and what are your times? Im just curious what a 330i can do..
I drove a 2001 Z3 3.0l 225hp, that thing was nice, always more that enough power..

The ZHP is rated at 235 bhp and 222 ft lbs. It's only been to the track once so far back when it had 1200 miles on it. The best I managed that day was a 14.0 at 97.5 mph.

When my 2001 Z3 3.0 was stock, it dyno'd at 198 rwhp and 193 rwtq. On OEM tires, the best I managed was a 13.89 at 99.5 mph. On drag radials, 13.65 at 99.1 mph.

After the s/c on the Z3, 321 rwhp and 290 rwtq, 11.71 at 115.6 mph...