Finally!! We have been informed that the manufacturer will ship orders for this Intake 2 weeks from today!! To all of those who pre-ordered this unit yours will go out in the order we received them. Anyone else who wishes to get this fantastic Velocity stack intake please get your order in ASAP.

Introductory Bimmerforums price is $650.00 and we throw in the cleaning kit, a 20 dollar value!

Jeff
Eurobahn
(818) 381-6335 :redspot

Why is this intake 650 dollars? How did you achieve 16 rwhp with just an intake?

Why is this intake 650 dollars? How did you achieve 16 rwhp with just an intake?

The reason for the cost is two fold, first development cost. AFE has hundreds of man hours into this project and countless numbers of prototypes and testing on their mustang dyno. As far as how it works, the magic is in the patented velocity stack built into a new housing for the air flow sensor. I could tell you more but then I would have to kill you :) :buttrock

Jeff
Eurobahn

I'll show it to my dad.

Later

Paolo

$650.00 and we throw in the cleaning kit, a 20 dollar value!

Jeff
Eurobahn
(818) 381-6335 :redspot

Boy intakes sure are getting more expensive everyday! :eyecrazy:

Atleast you get the cleaning kit. :alright

Boy intakes sure are getting more expensive everyday! :eyecrazy:

Atleast you get the cleaning kit. :alright

You are right it is not cheap, we actually thought the unit was going to come in at nearly a thousand dollars when we started this process. But in comparison to several other well known intakes out there it is very inexpensive. But more importantly it actually makes real power unlike some of those very expensive intakes that look pretty.

Just think about that intake in conjunction with our custom written software.
A very real power punch for your M3 without spending 5 grand or more!

Jeff
Eurobahn

Jeff --

Check your email re: what we discussed before and adding this to the list. I believe I have all the specs you would need re: software.

James

Jeff --

Check your email re: what we discussed before and adding this to the list. I believe I have all the specs you would need re: software.

James

James email back at ya!

Jeff

ok here we go. :D can you post the dyno?

ok here we go. :D can you post the dyno?

I have requested the mustang dyno sheets from the manufacturer and we will be running our own dyno tests on our DST dyno later next week as soon as we get the first rpoduction units. I have seen the results from the prototypes so I know it's real numbers but we will run production numbers for you to see.

Then we will run those intakes with our custom software as well. just to keep everyone honest out there.

Jeff
Eurobahn

Hey Jeff, ever consider throwing the software and intake together in a package and call it......i donno, Eurobahn Stage 1 and give us a special price for it?? :D

Just a thought.

Do you anticipate a waiting list for the item about 2 months after the first shipment arrives or do you think they will be readily available by then?

Hey Jeff, ever consider throwing the software and intake together in a package and call it......i donno, Eurobahn Stage 1 and give us a special price for it?? :D

Just a thought.

Do you anticipate a waiting list for the item about 2 months after the first shipment arrives or do you think they will be readily available by then?

I like the way you think.. :D
Bimmerforums special: $1000.00 package deal. :buttrock
Dave.

How about an installed pic?

Hey Jeff, ever consider throwing the software and intake together in a package and call it......i donno, Eurobahn Stage 1 and give us a special price for it?? :D

Just a thought.

Do you anticipate a waiting list for the item about 2 months after the first shipment arrives or do you think they will be readily available by then?

:alright You never know, but seriously we do offer a small discount over the already discounted pricing when you get both. I wish we could do it for a round figure like $1000 for both but our cost is too high. So I guess we can call it Stage 1 for $1200 dollars plus shipping.

Then just to be competitive we could add a set of Schrick cams and call it Stage 2 with a custom program added just for cams. That should give about 38Hp or better for about $2500.00. What do you think :)

I doubt there will be a waiting list in 2 months but we have sold so many intakes just today who knows. I already had several hundred sets on order. With about half of those already spoken for. We are also going to offer a Carbon Kevlar beauty cover for the top of the intake for those who want a little carbon under the hood. :mad:

Jeff
Eurobahn :mad:

How about an installed pic?

Hmmm, don't have one handy here. I do have a pic of a 330 with our kit installed so here is that one. It looks very similar.

Jeff
Eurobahn

Josh, doh, I mean Jeff where is air being fed thru, thru the stock kidneys and lower snorkel....

or.....perhaps like the Champion audi's...now that would be sweet...]

punch out the highbeam headlight...

http://www.world-challenge.com/2002/ram/images/02-ram-gtq-3.JPG

I'd need more pictures and information before i'd even consider this, even at $650.00 its high.

Velocity stack $105, filter $62.

http://turbohoses.com/4inchram2.jpg
http://turbohoses.com/4inchram3.jpg

,

At least it is way cheaper than MPilot's one.

Does this use the stock MAF screen? Or do you delete it altogether?

I am on the east coast guys. I purchased this yesterday so, if any east coasters want pictures installed or a dyno, I'll let you know what I find out. It can't be worse than the gruppeM which I kept for 3 whole days :rolleyes: :stickoutt ... I was going to try the carbonio one -- but, to no avail ... so, trying this one first.

I am going with what Jeff is calling stg. II though IIRC ... however, I am going to do multiple dyno pulls and get it without the airbox, and then add the airbox, and then add his software ... this should give a good idea ...

Velocity stack $105, filter $62.

http://turbohoses.com/4inchram2.jpg
http://turbohoses.com/4inchram3.jpg

,

I do not see the MAF velocity builder in your pictures or the air compression stepping ringlets. In other words, it looks nice..........

People who buy this will liike it, those who don't will find other alternatives. What is funny is that when we started talking about this at the price of nearly a grand, everyone said wow a real intake that works. We got it to market as inexpensively as we could. We always try to give the best bargains as possible. And Remember Eurobahn's Motto "Power without Problems" and of course our money back guarantee.

Jeff
Eurobahn

The reason for the cost is two fold, first development cost. AFE has hundreds of man hours into this project and countless numbers of prototypes and testing on their mustang dyno. As far as how it works, the magic is in the patented velocity stack built into a new housing for the air flow sensor. I could tell you more but then I would have to kill you :) :buttrock

Jeff
Eurobahn


Is this a AFE intake or Eurobahn intake ??

I beleive Evosport has the same intake for sale as well. I thought Eurobahn was making its own intake. I was aware of the AFE / Evosport project.. IS this the same ?

I heard on the street that Evosport has some packages available as well..

650.00 for the intake
package deal 1 (intake, software, $1100)
package deal 2 (intake, software, pulleys, 1350.00)

I am sure it's AFE becuase of their name on it, but i am happy to see it hit the market.. So is this available through AFE also ??

I am confused..

Is this a AFE intake or Eurobahn intake ??

I beleive Evosport has the same intake for sale as well. I thought Eurobahn was making its own intake. I was aware of the AFE / Evosport project.. IS this the same ?

I heard on the street that Evosport has some packages available as well..

650.00 for the intake
package deal 1 (intake, software, $1100)
package deal 2 (intake, software, pulleys, 1350.00)

I am sure it's AFE becuase of their name on it, but i am happy to see it hit the market.. So is this available through AFE also ??

I am confused..


Nothing to be confused about, this is the project that Eurobahn worked on with AFE. It is manufactured by AFE and is sold through a select few outlets of which we are one and also EVO. EVO did not "work" on this intake.

Thanks everyone for getting your orders in early!! You will be getting yours before anyone else! You are also making my job of ordering much easier :)

Jeff
Eurobahn

The intake looks great Jeff. I can't wait to get one on my car. As soon as this summer heat is gone its back to the track for me. I'll speak to you soon.----Lee

Guys, AFE & Eurobahn have put HUGE amounts of work into this intake (I have been talking to Jeff every step of the way since November!). Considering the pricing of the competition (which I will soon be taking out of my car if anyone is interested) this intake is a steal. I can almost guarantee you the $/hp ratio of Eurobahn cannot be beat. Just based on my past experiences with software (Evosport/Powerchips vs. Eurobahn/Superchips) there is no competition..... Eurobahn hands down. With that said, Jeff check your Paypal account and thank you for your great customer service.

Lawrence

The intake looks great Jeff. I can't wait to get one on my car. As soon as this summer heat is gone its back to the track for me. I'll speak to you soon.----Lee


You cant's wait??? I am foaming at the mouth to see what you are going to do with it now!!

Jeff
Eurobahn

i dont get it.. e46m3 owners must have marshmallows for brains...

hey make that tin lid out of carbon fiber and these monkeys will shell out $1k for the intake.

i dont get it.. e46m3 owners must have marshmallows for brains...

hey make that tin lid out of carbon fiber and these monkeys will shell out $1k for the intake.

Well, when the choices are limited that's what happens. There is more to engineering an intake for this car than just tubing and a filter. With the M3's air flow sensor built into the stock airbox you actually have to engineer a solution to accomodate it. The other 3 series are not this way and thus the reason why there are a billion intakes for them.

My point is, it is hard to bash anyone that has made one unless you yourself have successfully done so.
And to your point if yours is cheaper and you've got dyno results, then I'll buy it.

Does this use the stock MAF screen? Or do you delete it altogether?


I dont see a MAF screen either...

i dont get it.. e46m3 owners must have marshmallows for brains...

hey make that tin lid out of carbon fiber and these monkeys will shell out $1k for the intake.

Kaiwang -

it's our money, what do you care what we do with it. Let me ask you, how many times have you tracked/auto-x'd your vehicle? If you do, then great, criticize all you want --- if you've never, then don't criticize the guys that want a little bit more power/torque to compete against the C5/Z06's ... etc.

why the hell would i want to track a 3400 lb m3? there are other cars much better for the track.

no wonder your so upset. you bought the unit. sorry.

btw make sure there is a HFM screen of sorts in front of the MAF sensor or else its going to get inconsistant air flow readings .

lol ... let me rephrase then -- have you EVER been on a track or auto-x course?

Sorry to see that you bought a 3400 lb paperweight for $50K ... I'd be pissed too :rolleyes:

yeah yeah yeah you track your car so your a man and you are now allowed to talk about mods.

christ. yeah my track duty car will be a lotus elise which should be coming in Aug. happy now?

anyways.. in case you dont know. the stock m3 box already has a built in REAL velocity stack right before the air goes through a HFM screen which smooths out the airflow to make it consistant for the MAF sensor to read. The stock airbox btw is sealed so no hot air from the engine compartment comes through..

heres a pic

http://www.ground-control.com/images/bmw/gizmo3.jpg


lets see if this home depot of an air intake has one inline before the MAF sensor.

lets see if this home depot of an air intake has one inline before the MAF sensor.

You must be a Kerry voter. First you insult people who make a product you have not tried, then you insult people who might want to buy it, then when that doesn't work you insult the product itself.

My suggestion is simple, don't buy one. Now that is a real no-brainer right?

BTW if you hate the M3 so much why did you buy one?

We on the other hand love the M3 and we will continue to build as many products for it as we can. We will work our asses off to make quality products that deliver power without problems. Ooops that's our motto how did that get there.

Jeff
Eurobahn

Can someone post a DYNO?
Seems like there's similarities with DINANs intake (open it up and take a look), BMW OEM, ECIS intake, JC Intake, up and coming K&N Intake, and etc..

So I guess I would like to see some numbers also. But at more than 1/2 the cost of Dinans intake, makes it interesting. My only concern is SOFTWARE. Does the superchip write custom software with intake?

Can someone post a DYNO?
Seems like there's similarities with DINANs intake (open it up and take a look), BMW OEM, ECIS intake, JC Intake, up and coming K&N Intake, and etc..

So I guess I would like to see some numbers also. But at more than 1/2 the cost of Dinans intake, makes it interesting. My only concern is SOFTWARE. Does the superchip write custom software with intake?


Hi Matt,

As with any performance mod, Superchips UK can write custom software to maximize the performance. However, our standard M3 software load that we install in almost all the cars has the adaptation ability. As the air temperature sensor reads cooler air the timing curve will be advanced. We can do this for any other intake as well not just the AFE unit.

If you have other mods like exhaust or cams we will write the program to take advantage of those as well. With a software and intake price of 1200, thats the same price as the original GruppeM intake was without software.

Thanks,
Jeff

Hi Matt,

As with any performance mod, Superchips UK can write custom software to maximize the performance. However, our standard M3 software load that we install in almost all the cars has the adaptation ability. As the air temperature sensor reads cooler air the timing curve will be advanced. We can do this for any other intake as well not just the AFE unit.

If you have other mods like exhaust or cams we will write the program to take advantage of those as well. With a software and intake price of 1200, thats the same price as the original GruppeM intake was without software.

Thanks,
Jeff

Hi Jeff..
Any DYNOs yet? Doesn't the M3 OEM software adapt also? I understand that the Superchip provides X% more though. Where is the MAF sensor located?

Thanks :)

I am not trying to get into a pissing match with you Kai. I am local to you, so we could always discuss this off-line since I am in D.C.

My track comments were not to denigrate you -- hell, I've thought about the lotus elise (assuming you are purchasing from Chriswell Chevrolet) and I had a well-built E36 M3 with rollbar and everything that I sold. Before that, SMG E46, before that, FI E36 M3, etc, etc. So, it's not like I am some punk kid spouting at the mouth here.

I was just extremely annoyed that if you have never auto-x'd or tracked it, you automatically dismiss it as being inferior as a track car. As a DEDICATED track car, e.g., W2W racing, yes, I agree, unless you are going to build it PTG style - weight would hurt you. However, for a weekend track/auto-x warrior like myself (which BTW -- I am not saying I am a good driver either) ... the E46 does things very well ... it takes me to work really nicely, allows me to go shopping, allows me to take clients out, allows me to auto-x, and allows me to track the car when I feel like it.

The car does EXTREMELY well on the track ... regardless of the weight of the vehicle. Yes, the weight does hurt; but, that is only to an extent. My car weighs basically the same now as many E36 M3's. So, the power/weight ratio favors this car. You add in the 3.64 lsd, bigger tires, the e46 can simply put down the power at a track.

The lotus is definitely nice; but, it's an expensive track car if you are seriously doing it. If not, I would suggest taking the E46 out and trying it -- I think you would be really surprised at how well it does. Add some sways and a stiffer suspension, non-staggered wheels, and man, the car can carve corners! :buttrock

Crap -- come out to a local auto-x (one this weekend at rosecroft) www.autocrossers.com -- and I will let you drive my car ... slaloms hurt it; but, its fun to drive around ... even if SM guys kill me :(

p.s. -- sorry for going OT Jeff and Kevin.

this discussion is about vendors putting out crap products for m3 owners who seem all too happy to buy at as$ raping prices.

this discussion is not about who goes to the track and if the m3 is a good track car or not.

btw other than the hfm screen issue, take a look at what they claim to be a velocity stack on their intake. then do some reading on velocity stacks.

the more you educate yourself on the subject the more you realize you are buying a home depot air intake.


btw for me the m3 is not a good track car not only because of the weight but because the car does not communicate to the driver well. since you've own a e36 m3 you should know what im talking about.

and yes, the lotus is coming from criswell.. tom skinner is handing the order.

Same person as is handling mine ... :buttrock -- I know what you mean about the velocity stack issue. I am not as well-versed on the engineering principles behind items such as the intakes on the M3. I base my purchases more on trust than anything else (maybe that's a sad thing).

If the company claims that it makes "x" power and it does not, they are at least offering a 100% money back guarantee which is more than I can say about the carbonio's and gruppeM's. I did research in the hfm screen and principles behind the GC gizmo thingy -- so, I am kind of aware ... but, not 100% sure of the finer points involved.

If you know something or have a link, please let me know. It's not like I enjoy pissing money out the window either. So, can you qualify your statement a little more than just calling it a home depot designed intake? For my sake at least ... :help

Hi Jeff..
Any DYNOs yet? Doesn't the M3 OEM software adapt also? I understand that the Superchip provides X% more though. Where is the MAF sensor located?

Thanks :)

Hi Matt,

We have done some dyno runs with the prototype and also with the production unit. The production unit was installed on an 03 SMG that would not go past 6500 rpm no matter what trick we tried. We made 10.4hp and 4.5ft.lbs. of torque at 6500. So I feel that is in line with what we saw on the prototype car that revved to red line. As soon as we get the finished pieces a week from this coming Tuesday we will be running on the DTS dyno and there are few of our customers some from here that will be running their cars on Dynojets for comparison.

Sounds killer too :) See picture for the the fitting that holds the MAF.

Jeff
Eurobahn ;)

Jeff,

Sounds very promising. I e-mailed you a few days ago regarding that "stage 1". I have a couple questions. Does the software have to be specially programmed to work in conjunction with the new intake? Do you have to do anything extra for SMG M3's? Also, when will the carbon fiber cover be available? How much do you expect the cf cover to cost? Do you have an intaller or authorized dealer in Miami?

Well, I eagerly await those dyno runs in a few weeks. Keep us posted.

Here's some dyno stuff I've bookmarked that may help you with your future dyno runs:

Taken from HaroldC: (excerpt from M3 forum and Bimmerforums)

"You can definitely dyno '03 cars, as well as '03.5 cars too. I have dynoed both my '03 and my '03.5, so I know it can be done. Here's the procedure:

1. Start car
2. Run engine to 6k in neutral
3. Turn key to position 1 to shut off engine
4. Turn key to position 2, dash lights should light up
5. Press DSC for EXACTLY 20 secs
6. Start car
7. Press sport button
8. Press DSC button (do not hold)
9. Make your dyno runs

Save these and print them up for the Dyno operator. Good luck!"

And, "You have to hold the DSC for exactly 20 secs, any more or less and it will not work. We tried to fool the computer and did a few short of 20 and a few past 20 and they were a no go.

This is the only way to deactivate the front ABS sensors, so the car will dyno properly. The type of tranny is not relevant in this matter. The type of dyno is also not relevant, this method has worked on Dynojets, Mustang Dynos and Dynapacks before.

Another important step: When you first run the engine to 6000 don't put it in gear. Leave it in neutral and just give it gas until it reaches 6000. "

Hope that helps.

Thanks,
Ray

Hi Ray,

got your email and we are trying to finalize a shop for you. You already know about the one we were talking to but I have not heard back from them so I guess they are out. I will try your recommendation later this week and see if we have a winner!

Thank you so much for the Dyno instructions. I am not sure we will dyno that same car we used before but I will certainly need them in the future. The customer with the SMG loves the way his car is running now with the intake and the software, I don't think he will let us play with it anymore :)

We have several local M3's however that are chomping at the bit for their intakes so we should be ok!

Jeff
Eurobahn

Jeff, Would this fit on a S54 M Coupe/Roadster? Or is this E46 M3 only?

Jeff, Would this fit on a S54 M Coupe/Roadster? Or is this E46 M3 only?

Sorry my friend, at the moment this kit will only fit the E46 chassis. However, we are looking at moving into the roadsters and coupes pretty soon. I will keep ya posted. If you live in L.A. we might be able to work a freebie for you if we can use your car as the mule?

Jeff
Eurobahn

Sorry my friend, at the moment this kit will only fit the E46 chassis. However, we are looking at moving into the roadsters and coupes pretty soon. I will keep ya posted. If you live in L.A. we might be able to work a freebie for you if we can use your car as the mule?

Jeff
Eurobahn

Please contact me when you guys decide to do this. I am interested. :redspot

im in taiwan right now but im interested, if i come back the 13th, will i be able to order and get the intake at $650?

thanks

its as simple as this Jeff, sell someone an intake for half price and have them write up a review/article on it. I refuse to spend $650 on something that has 0 REVIEWS and RECENTLY got released. Thereafter, do a GB if it shows good results.

Yours truely,
Andrew

AndrewM3 and others -

If it helps, I am going to do my own independent review of this intake. I am receiving no benefits from this. What I am going to do is dyno pulls as my car sits right now w/o his intake. I will be using a mustang dyno though, so my numbers may be lower.

Then, I will do a pull with the intake and the current software I have on the same mustang dyno.

Then, I will do another pull with the intake AND the software that he includes on the same mustang dyno.

I will also be able to put it up against someone local that has a carbonio intake. That should give a good independent verification. The carbonio intake sounds wicked good though ... even if it makes no power. It has this really cool sound. Problem with carbonio, you have to cut the front radiator shroud portion and fan shroud IIRC when I was looking at it ....

Only thing is, it won't happen on the same day. I believe Jeff said his software is encrypted -- I have the ability to flash it if it wasn't; but, I need the encryption key which I am sure he will not give me. But, I'll try to pick days with the same ambient temperatures, humidity, etc.

NoSoup4U - your taking a risk, and you may be saving me $650 - although greatful. Call Jeff and tell him what your going to do, and im sure he will work with you.

Yours truely,
Andrew

NoSoup4U - your taking a risk, and you may be saving me $650 - although greatful. Call Jeff and tell him what your going to do, and im sure he will work with you.

Yours truely,
Andrew

Andrew --

I don't view it as a bad risk though. Jeff said if it makes no power, I get a 100% refund. So, to me at least, he is standing behind the product. That means a lot to me. Can't be any worse than spending $700 on CF interior trim pieces that people shell out money for ... (no offense to those that do) ...

I installed the BHS hydrostatic clutch fan and Evosport pulley's if anyone is interested in my impressions. Just pm me. Car right now has SS headers, SS s-pipe, x-pipe, eisenmann race exhaust, UDP's, BHS fan, shrick cams, and some other stuff.

I have the GC gizmo somewhere ... just forgot where I put it. Just need to optimize the software right now -- going to experiment with different companies.

You have a PM.

Hi Ray,

got your email and we are trying to finalize a shop for you. You already know about the one we were talking to but I have not heard back from them so I guess they are out. I will try your recommendation later this week and see if we have a winner!

Thank you so much for the Dyno instructions. I am not sure we will dyno that same car we used before but I will certainly need them in the future. The customer with the SMG loves the way his car is running now with the intake and the software, I don't think he will let us play with it anymore :)

We have several local M3's however that are chomping at the bit for their intakes so we should be ok!

Jeff
Eurobahn

After all this time shouldnt you guys know how to dyno a M3 by now?

AndrewM3 and others -

If it helps, I am going to do my own independent review of this intake. I am receiving no benefits from this. What I am going to do is dyno pulls as my car sits right now w/o his intake. I will be using a mustang dyno though, so my numbers may be lower.

Then, I will do a pull with the intake and the current software I have on the same mustang dyno.

Then, I will do another pull with the intake AND the software that he includes on the same mustang dyno.

I will also be able to put it up against someone local that has a carbonio intake. That should give a good independent verification. The carbonio intake sounds wicked good though ... even if it makes no power. It has this really cool sound. Problem with carbonio, you have to cut the front radiator shroud portion and fan shroud IIRC when I was looking at it ....

Only thing is, it won't happen on the same day. I believe Jeff said his software is encrypted -- I have the ability to flash it if it wasn't; but, I need the encryption key which I am sure he will not give me. But, I'll try to pick days with the same ambient temperatures, humidity, etc.

Give Chris the service manager at sterling bmw (sterline va) a call before you dyno. They have this service ( hope they still do ) where they hook up your ecu and put it in a mode which allows your car to be dynoed all the way up to redline without the ecu running emmission maps. otherwise its hard to get accurate dyno results on the m3.

do a search on the net on dynoing the m3 by jim conforti. he has detail instructions on whats involved dynoing this car.

Andrew --

I don't view it as a bad risk though. Jeff said if it makes no power, I get a 100% refund. So, to me at least, he is standing behind the product. That means a lot to me. Can't be any worse than spending $700 on CF interior trim pieces that people shell out money for ... (no offense to those that do) ...

I installed the BHS hydrostatic clutch fan and Evosport pulley's if anyone is interested in my impressions. Just pm me. Car right now has SS headers, SS s-pipe, x-pipe, eisenmann race exhaust, UDP's, BHS fan, shrick cams, and some other stuff.

I have the GC gizmo somewhere ... just forgot where I put it. Just need to optimize the software right now -- going to experiment with different companies.


the gizmo is another one of those home depot products! heh. you may notice better breathing at the top end ( prob all in the mind since you just spent $85 on that thing) but a few month down the road you will notice that your car will not have consistant, smooth power delivery at the low and mid range. you will notice your car sometimes it runs like normal and at other times it seem to just be slightly sluggish depending on how you apply the throttle.

if you then swap back the stock HFM screen your car will become consistant and have smooth power delivery again.. my theory is that the gizmo does not do a good enough job to smooth out the airflow so that the MAF sensor can get an accurate reading under all driving conditions..

the above is w the stock airbox.

btw if this new H.D. intake doesnt have a HFM / gizmo type screen in front of the MAF sensor to smooth out airflow for accurate readings, i bet you will also experience inconsistant performance in real world driving.

kai-

when I get it, feel free to come and look at it in person. You seem to know more about the engineering principles than I do. I use martin motorsports in alexandria, VA ... so, I'll keep you informed if you would like.

good deal!

After all this time shouldnt you guys know how to dyno a M3 by now?

After all this time shouldn't you know not to be an ass! I guess not, manners and being polite was not one of your mom's important things to teach her kids huh?

I do not know what personal thing you have against me, but I do not care. As stated before, if you do not like Eurobahn products or products we sell don't buy them. But I do not see whay you think it is your business to attack us for just existing.

You got something personal you want to talk to me about then pick up the phone I am always around.

BTW Kaiwang, the device you are referring to is the BMW GT1 Modic. And we are working to get one. Since they are more than 20 grand however it takes time to afford such toys. Like all other manufacturers of products for BMW's we do the best science and testing we can. However although we participated in this development this is an AFE product. We did not build this ourselves and we are not the only outlet for it as you have pointed out. In addition to us you can get these units from EVO, Bavarian, and BMP shortly.

Jeff Zusman
Eurobahn
(818) 381-6335

After all this time shouldn't you know not to be an ass! I guess not, manners and being polite was not one of your mom's important things to teach her kids huh?

I do not know what personal thing you have against me, but I do not care. As stated before, if you do not like Eurobahn products or products we sell don't buy them. But I do not see whay you think it is your business to attack us for just existing.

You got something personal you want to talk to me about then pick up the phone I am always around.

hey this is a open forum.. i belive I am allowed to comment on a product or company. especially if said company is trying to push their products on this forum right?

personal attacks? find one instance where i attacked you, Jeff of the Zusman family personally. heh..

Now what i did attack was a company that sells performance products for the M3 and yet does not know how to properly dyno the M3? You admited so in your own previous post in this thread.

second i attacked an air intake system that claims to have a velocity stack ( among other design claims ). A straight angle cut leading to the MAF sensor is NOT a velocity stack. Now you say this is not your air intake... So why are you taking it so personally then?

you seem to be the one making personal attacks. so far you have called me an AS$. Insulted my mother. and called me a Kerry voter.

Now the Kerry voter crack is hitting below the belt dont you think?

hey this is a open forum.. i belive I am allowed to comment on a product or company. especially if said company is trying to push their products on this forum right?

personal attacks? find one instance where i attacked you, Jeff of the Zusman family personally. heh..

Now what i did attack was a company that sells performance products for the M3 and yet does not know how to properly dyno the M3? You admited so in your own previous post in this thread.

second i attacked an air intake system that claims to have a velocity stack ( among other design claims ). A straight angle cut leading to the MAF sensor is NOT a velocity stack. Now you say this is not your air intake... So why are you taking it so personally then?

you seem to be the one making personal attacks. so far you have called me an AS$. Insulted my mother. and called me a Kerry voter.

Now the Kerry voter crack is hitting below the belt dont you think?

Kaiwang,

If I took things personally that were not meant that way than I appologize. I suppose I do get touchy when my company is accused of selling "home depot" products. Having come from the company that I used to work for, I try very hard to not get involved with any crappy products.

If you feel the term Velocity Stack is incorrect, then I will bow to your superior knowledge. My understanding from the engineers who designed these units, is that these are indeed Velocity Stacks as they increase the speed and density of the air.

As far as not knowing how to dyno an M3, that was just wrong. We have dynoed probably more M3's than anyone on this board except Jim C, or Brad at EVO sport. There are some cars that defy all attempts to go past 6500 without using the GT1 just ask those other guys. So far out of the dozens of M5's we have dynoed there have been 3 that we could not get to go also.

In regards to your free speech comment, I have risked my life more than once to see to it that you indeed do have that right and would do so again! Yes, the Kerry comment was below the belt! I was having an anti Kerry moment.
:mad:

The bottom line is this for me, no one has ever been asked to keep any Eurobahn product that they didn't like period. Please name for me another after market company that has that kind of customer service? Since we do have that type of customer service howabout a little slack tilleither you try it or some one else that you trust. We will be the first ones to say we are sorry and stop selling th product if it doesn't live up to it's promise.

Thanks

Jeff

Kaiwang,

If I took things personally that were not meant that way than I appologize. I suppose I do get touchy when my company is accused of selling "home depot" products. Having come from the company that I used to work for, I try very hard to not get involved with any crappy products.

If you feel the term Velocity Stack is incorrect, then I will bow to your superior knowledge. My understanding from the engineers who designed these units, is that these are indeed Velocity Stacks as they increase the speed and density of the air.

As far as not knowing how to dyno an M3, that was just wrong. We have dynoed probably more M3's than anyone on this board except Jim C, or Brad at EVO sport. There are some cars that defy all attempts to go past 6500 without using the GT1 just ask those other guys. So far out of the dozens of M5's we have dynoed there have been 3 that we could not get to go also.

In regards to your free speech comment, I have risked my life more than once to see to it that you indeed do have that right and would do so again! Yes, the Kerry comment was below the belt! I was having an anti Kerry moment.
:mad:

The bottom line is this for me, no one has ever been asked to keep any Eurobahn product that they didn't like period. Please name for me another after market company that has that kind of customer service? Since we do have that type of customer service howabout a little slack tilleither you try it or some one else that you trust. We will be the first ones to say we are sorry and stop selling th product if it doesn't live up to it's promise.

Thanks

Jeff

I've spoken to Jeff plenty of times over the phone, and the boards - Jeff is very honest and upright about his products, his sense of humor, knowledge, and everything all tie into one. Although, I think Jeff should have approached Kaiwang differently (which I might add is getting totally out of proportion, you first started with NoSoup4U then moved onto Jeff) - basically Kaiwang you seem to be causing nothing but trouble - it is our money, and your opinions honestly mean nothing to me. If your going to sit here and critize Jeff and other members of the boards, I think its time for you to sit back and use those manners that your mother taught you, which is along the lines of (if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it) -

We may proceed,
Andrew :mad:

I've spoken to Jeff plenty of times over the phone, and the boards - Jeff is very honest and upright about his products, his sense of humor, knowledge, and everything all tie into one. Although, I think Jeff should have approached Kaiwang differently (which I might add is getting totally out of proportion, you first started with NoSoup4U then moved onto Jeff) - basically Kaiwang you seem to be causing nothing but trouble - it is our money, and your opinions honestly mean nothing to me. If your going to sit here and critize Jeff and other members of the boards, I think its time for you to sit back and use those manners that your mother taught you, which is along the lines of (if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it) -

We may proceed,
Andrew :mad:

I agree. Until Kaiwang designs and builds his own intake for us, he has no right to bash someone elses, especially without experience of the said product. I agree Jeff could have been a little less touchy.

Jeff stands behind his products though, if any of us are not satisfied with the intake I know he would gladly take it back!

I think Jeff has every right to fire back on Kaiwang. There were a few people attacking MPilot without any proof. Now, MPilot has proved them wrong! Expensive stuff . . . yes, but it works if you want to pay the price.

I'm seriously considering Jeff's intake and I congratulate him on his success. He seems like an honest guy and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until there's proof otherwise. By the way, I missed the "Kerry comment."

I think Jeff has every right to fire back on Kaiwang. There were a few people attacking MPilot without any proof. Now, MPilot has proved them wrong! Expensive stuff . . . yes, but it works if you want to pay the price.

I'm seriously considering Jeff's intake and I congratulate him on his success. He seems like an honest guy and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until there's proof otherwise. By the way, I missed the "Kerry comment."

I completely disagree, this situation is NOT like mpilot's. He has NOT provided any substantial or verifiable proof, CRAP ... he wouldn't even tell people his trap speeds ... :rolleyes:

btw. we are still all waiting for MPilots results. he still does not want to publish his results even though he made the long awaited 1/4 mile runs. all we are asking for is what his trap speed was. and there are still many questions on his existing dyno testing procedure.. but thats another thread on another forum.

i "attacked" the intake that is the subject of this thread. jeff has every right to attack my statements on this intake. personal attacks however is another thing.

now if any of you remember jeff himself isnt perfect. when he first annouced his software mod he was telling people it gave 30+ hp increase. he even posted dyno plots from europe somewhere.. people bitched and moaned about his claims then. i believe his post is on this forum if you do a seach.

later he himself admit he jumped the gun and the actual increase is more like 12-17 hp when a bunch of dyno tests were run by various third parties..

Earlier quote from NoSoup4U --

I don't view it as a bad risk though. Jeff said if it makes no power, I get a 100% refund. So, to me at least, he is standing behind the product. That means a lot to me. Can't be any worse than spending $700 on CF interior trim pieces that people shell out money for ... (no offense to those that do) ...

We're talking about the intake specifically. Jeff has made no claims on the intake he needed to back up.

There were a few people attacking MPilot without any proof. Now, MPilot has proved them wrong!

When did MPilot show any proof of anything? He has not posted a timeslip or any legit dyno figures yet as far as I can tell. If he has, please point me to the posting.

I completely disagree, this situation is NOT like mpilot's. He has NOT provided any substantial or verifiable proof, CRAP ... he wouldn't even tell people his trap speeds ... :rolleyes:

come dyno day when Mpilot runs dynos against my car is the day when things will come to light...

now if any of you remember jeff himself isnt perfect. when he first annouced his software mod he was telling people it gave 30+ hp increase. he even posted dyno plots from europe somewhere.. people bitched and moaned about his claims then. i believe his post is on this forum if you do a seach.

later he himself admit he jumped the gun and the actual increase is more like 12-17 hp when a bunch of dyno tests were run by various third parties..

We will always tell the truth about any of our products. If we make an error we will correct the incorrect statement as soon as possible. Just like we did when we posted the dyno's from Europe that showed BHP on European high octane fuel. That was a total screw up by us and we corrected it as soon as we performed our own dynos on US gas on a US spec car.

Jeff
Eurobahn

Jeff, the Eurobahn software gave me 2 mph of trap speed. I was stuck at 107 mph. No matter what I did thats as fast as the car would trap, after the software it ran 109.3 When you have an intake ready to ship let me know. That and gears will be the ticket to the low 12s. Thanks---Lee

If Mpilots trap speed and ET were slow only because of lack of drag racing experience, will you guys still continue to BASH him?

im in taiwan right now but im interested, if i come back the 13th, will i be able to order and get the intake at $650?

thanks


sorry my question got missed i think... i still need to know

sorry my question got missed i think... i still need to know

Absolutely!! WE always honor pricing posted on bimmerforums. The only time that can't work is if the product in question is from Europe and the dollar exchange rate makes it impossible. However, the intake is proudly built in the good ol USofA!

Jeff
Eurobahn

If Mpilots trap speed and ET were slow only because of lack of drag racing experience, will you guys still continue to BASH him?

Jon -

I don't think it is bashing him. His trap speeds should be indicative of the power, regardless of his skill level. When I took the turbo M3 to the track, I had no idea what all those lights meant, I just got in an mashed the pedal. I had a 2.6 60' time with a 108 mph trap ... and ran a 14.2 IIRC ...

So, even though I sucked in ET and 60 time, the trap speed still showed the power was there. Plus, I think that with a lower ET, you will have a "lower" trap speed. Thus, with a high ET -- his trap speeds will become lower if he gets a better ET/launch.

Plus, if you look at his dyno graphs -- IIRC, all dyno graphs with same scale should intersect at 5275 or 5250, I forget, his don't.

No Soup, you are correct the cross should be at 5250 always! Once in a while we do get a strange cross and that usually means that the torque was not consistant or that the run had a miss cue in the computer. A miss of torque does not always mean the run is in invalid but I always will do additional runs when I am testing one of our products.

The bad news for today is that we are getting a few days delay in the release of the intake kit. Looks like a delay of 4 days I will keep everyone posted. I was at the factory today and they were pulling everything together but they are missing some allen blots which come from Colorado or something so we are waiting for those. I hate the manufacturing industry :)

Jeff
Eurobahn

Any update on the intake? love to see a dyno or trap speed from Mathews.

...

The bad news for today is that we are getting a few days delay in the release of the intake kit. Looks like a delay of 4 days I will keep everyone posted. I was at the factory today and they were pulling everything together but they are missing some allen blots which come from Colorado or something so we are waiting for those. I hate the manufacturing industry :)

Jeff
Eurobahn

Any update on the intake? love to see a dyno or trap speed from Mathews.

WE are waiting with bated breath here! I am told the missing parts should arrive tomorrow or Monday. As soon as they arrive the kits, which are complete in the boxes, will be ready to go. We are lucky here since I am only 45 minutes from the factory so we will get ours the minute they are ready.

Lee is waiting and we will over night his to him so he can get his runs in ASAP.

Jeff
Eurobahn :eyecrazy

Lee is waiting and we will over night his to him so he can get his runs in ASAP.

Jeff
Eurobahn :eyecrazy

What's so special about Lee? Just b/c he can run a good time? Anyone can get in and mash the pedal in a straight-line :rolleyes :stickoutt (I'm kidding by the way since sarcasm is lost on the internet)

What about the rest of us? :help :)

why the hell would i want to track a 3400 lb m3? there are other cars much better for the track.

no wonder your so upset. you bought the unit. sorry.

btw make sure there is a HFM screen of sorts in front of the MAF sensor or else its going to get inconsistant air flow readings .
Um. Dude. Get a grip. It's a great track car.

any updates?

I got my ecu remaped today WOW. that was fast!!20 minutes!

I got my ecu remaped today WOW. that was fast!!20 minutes!

so,.. how do you like it? noticably faster?

not the first day but the next day (today) man much smoother much more torque and more power.. I highly recomend. Kinda pricey but hey we have Ms so what can i say

Does the intake have a cold air snorkel?

Jeff,

Good to see progess on this :)

Will
HKS USA

WE are waiting with bated breath here! I am told the missing parts should arrive tomorrow or Monday. As soon as they arrive the kits, which are complete in the boxes, will be ready to go. We are lucky here since I am only 45 minutes from the factory so we will get ours the minute they are ready.

Lee is waiting and we will over night his to him so he can get his runs in ASAP.

Jeff
Eurobahn :eyecrazy

i was told production was pushed back almost a month?? is this true??

Does the intake have a cold air snorkel?

Please answer this question

Hi Guys,

Sorry we have been away for a couple of days, things have been hopping here. We are trying to get our new show car ready for SEMA. It will be a tricked out lowered and supercharged X3.

Answers: Yes, the intake connects with the E46 M3's built in air scoop.

I am not sure when other outlets will receive their intakes, but we will be shipping ours early next week. We were supposed to get them today but one of the Lathes in the AFE machine shop broke down and delayed us a couple of days. They are back on track today and we will be shipping Tuesday and Wednesday of next week.

Jeff
Eurobahn

Jeff,

Good to see progess on this :)

Will
HKS USA

Hi Will,

Great to see ya! I am bringing my racing helmet to Vegas bro. Please bring the 350Z pleeeeeeease!! You can drive ours if we can drive yours!! :)

Jeff
Eurobahn :eyecrazy

Finally!! We have been informed that the manufacturer will ship orders for this Intake 2 weeks from today!! To all of those who pre-ordered this unit yours will go out in the order we received them. Anyone else who wishes to get this fantastic Velocity stack intake please get your order in ASAP.

Introductory Bimmerforums price is $650.00 and we throw in the cleaning kit, a 20 dollar value!

Jeff
Eurobahn
(818) 381-6335 :redspot


Any pics of this intake on the E46 M3 yet? Also are there any numbers on the intake as far as HP goes? Very interested in the intake.

Thanks.

Any Updates???

Are these things in yet??

Any more dyno runs on Stock Car vs Stock with Eurobahn Software.

Spill the beans Jeff, Stop holding out on us...Give us the goods. :D

Can't wait to see more.
:redspot:

I just preordered 5 of these intake kits. Cant wait to get my own and install it.

650.00 for an intake, ouch. This is why I drive a 350Z now. My JWT intake costs 99.99. Intake changed the exhaust sound to a gorgeous rumble but as for power, good luck. I'd like to see an independent dyno some time soon.

Latest update. We will get our first batch of intakes this friday. We will be shipping out same day to everyone in batch one. Batch two orders will go out the following week. We ordered 45 intakes for the new orders today. That should be ready in two weeks.

For everyone who is getting the software and intake package we will notify each of you in order to send in your ECU's for programming. Don't want to get too overwhelmed in the programming room or you might get the wrong ECU back :help

Jeff
Eurobahn

650.00 for an intake, ouch. This is why I drive a 350Z now. My JWT intake costs 99.99. Intake changed the exhaust sound to a gorgeous rumble but as for power, good luck. I'd like to see an independent dyno some time soon.

You should bring your 350Z into the shop and we will put the new APS Turbo package on the car for you. Give you a little punch up to 430HP! We will give you the introductory price $7490.00 plus install of 3 grand. That's some serious power for that little rocket! :redspot

Jeff
Eurobahn

Greddy TTs are going for just over 5K now with intercooler. They did start at 7K plus a year ago but more competition has driven the price down. I'm actually waiting for JWT's TT set up which will be carb legal unlike most other kits out there.

As for this intake, I've never seen one that gained more than 3HP so I'm very curious as to how this one does.

Love the velocity stack idea, but what happens further up the intake tract when that high velocity air hits a big open plenum? Doesn't it slow down and negate the effect of the velocity stack? But then again that air is metered, so the engine is tossing in enough fuel to feed that high velocity air and with the effects of free(er) breathing and a richer mixture you may actually make more power because of the rich mixture and not a tonne more air than the next CAI...

What about velocity stacks built on to the individual throttle bodies?
Wouldn't the provide a good high velocity straight shot at the intake valves?
Has BMW already designed this into the stock system?

I'm not any kind of engineer, and don't doubt that your product works very well, just trying to get my head around the common sense engineering of it all.

Bill.

Love the velocity stack idea, but what happens further up the intake tract when that high velocity air hits a big open plenum? Doesn't it slow down and negate the effect of the velocity stack? But then again that air is metered, so the engine is tossing in enough fuel to feed that high velocity air and with the effects of free(er) breathing and a richer mixture you may actually make more power because of the rich mixture and not a tonne more air than the next CAI...

What about velocity stacks built on to the individual throttle bodies?
Wouldn't the provide a good high velocity straight shot at the intake valves?
Has BMW already designed this into the stock system?

I'm not any kind of engineer, and don't doubt that your product works very well, just trying to get my head around the common sense engineering of it all.

Bill.

Bill,

You have some excellent points here. The two main benefits of the velocity stack on the AFE are to imcrease rate of flow to richen the mixture for more air and to calm the air into the live wire HFM so that the wire can read accurately and respond smothly. Ground Control's Gizmo and the OE screen are for the same "calming" purpose.

On the velocity stack into the motor directly, we have done a lot of testing on both the M3 and M5. The OE plenum on the M3 has a tulip shape runner that is VERY effective. Without changing internals or making some significant change to the EMS, motor, etc, you will not gain anything. The OE design is very efficient. Even on the M5, we have dyno tested runners (velocity stacks) from three different compnies (all looked alike and I suspect they were from the same source) and they all lost power actually. This was due in large part to the restriction in the spacing between the top of the stack and the cover. Dinan was toying with the idea of creating a spacer to raise the cover to get around this (which should work). There are other ways to solve this problem as well. The net/net is that there is a LOT of engineering into the OE runners on M-cars. This is really one of the highlights on the M cars, one of the real motorsport carry-overs.

Thanks

Brad

Thanks Brad for the excellent answer. It also explains why we never made any of our own after the first 2 prototypes. There was not enough gain to be had simply with polished stacks in that plenum.

However, there is a way to make velocity stacks work and make decent power on the M3 but it requires a completely new plenum, we think. We are toying with something like that now and it will have a built in active air cooler. The power gain is yet to be seen. If it works we will start talking about it and if not well all information is good, right? :)

Jeff
Eurobahn

Thanks Brad for the excellent answer. It also explains why we never made any of our own after the first 2 prototypes. There was not enough gain to be had simply with polished stacks in that plenum.

However, there is a way to make velocity stacks work and make decent power on the M3 but it requires a completely new plenum, we think. We are toying with something like that now and it will have a built in active air cooler. The power gain is yet to be seen. If it works we will start talking about it and if not well all information is good, right? :)

Jeff
Eurobahn

Yea, our S/C cooler is exactly as you just described. And you can certainly gain with runners in a new plenum, but at $3K+ for a plenum to gain 10HP, we think that will be hard to sell. If you can do it for a lot less, you should. The market would certainly eat it up. :)

Thanks

Brad

Yea, our S/C cooler is exactly as you just described. And you can certainly gain with runners in a new plenum, but at $3K+ for a plenum to gain 10HP, we think that will be hard to sell. If you can do it for a lot less, you should. The market would certainly eat it up. :)

Thanks

Brad

When the prototype is ready we will drive it by for a look see. I would be interested in your thoughts on it. :eek:

Jeff
Eurobahn

Hi Will,

Great to see ya! I am bringing my racing helmet to Vegas bro. Please bring the 350Z pleeeeeeease!! You can drive ours if we can drive yours!! :)

Jeff
Eurobahn :eyecrazy

Sounds like a plan to me :D We should be bringing it, I will know for sure soon. Worst case, just swing by one day and Ill take you "around the block" in it :devillook

Hint: www.bav-auto.com

WE are waiting with bated breath here! I am told the missing parts should arrive tomorrow or Monday. As soon as they arrive the kits, which are complete in the boxes, will be ready to go. We are lucky here since I am only 45 minutes from the factory so we will get ours the minute they are ready.

Lee is waiting and we will over night his to him so he can get his runs in ASAP.

Jeff
Eurobahn :eyecrazy

Jeff,

Any more dyno's on a Stock M3 vs M3 with your EuroBahn software. I know you did a dyno on a Stock SMG car and I think you had the 6500RPM rev limiter issue. Have you guys done any more dynos all the way up to 8000RPM. Would like to see more dyno's numbers, this products sounds interesting.

Thanks,
JC

Jeff,

Any more dyno's on a Stock M3 vs M3 with your EuroBahn software. I know you did a dyno on a Stock SMG car and I think you had the 6500RPM rev limiter issue. Have you guys done any more dynos all the way up to 8000RPM. Would like to see more dyno's numbers, this products sounds interesting.

Thanks,
JC

Bump

Ive been thinking about getting one of these for my 01 330Ci. Yall claim 20hp and 27lbft of trq which i find ludicrous. Do you all have any sort of proof or dyno for this?

Ive been thinking about getting one of these for my 01 330Ci. Yall claim 20hp and 27lbft of trq which i find ludicrous. Do you all have any sort of proof or dyno for this?

I will be dyno testing an AFE CAI on an E46 2004 330Ci soon with before and after results.

The only dyno info that I have on this 330 product is the one done by AFE themselves. They are claiming 20 HP peak. Here is the product bullitin on this product:

Jeff
Eurobahn

I saw a dyno for the 330 advertsing the AFE cai and the baseline was like 140 or so and the after was like 160 so...something seems fishy. I dont remember what website but i think it was the eurobahn one.

EDIT- ok it was the evosport site. Heres the dyno. http://www.evosport.com/product/images/perf/bmw/intake/AFE/10451dyno.gif
http://www.evosport.com/product/images/perf/bmw/intake/AFE/10451dyno.gif

I saw a dyno for the 330 advertsing the AFE cai and the baseline was like 140 or so and the after was like 160 so...something seems fishy. I dont remember what website but i think it was the eurobahn one.

EDIT- ok it was the evosport site. Heres the dyno.


Thanks for clearing that up I was beginning to wonder for a minute....

Jeff
Eurobahn