while I was driving on one of the main roads in MI (45 speed limit), I pulled the car all the way from 20 mph to 100mph then I saw a black contour (probably svt) coming from behind, so I slowed down and shifted to the 2nd at 45mph,,, we were even and we started: we took off togther from 45 but his car was mucher, not by a punch but faster than me, at abot 70mph he was 1/2 car length ahead, by end third he was almost 1 car ahead...

After we were done I looked at the badges and his was a Turbo... so looked at him and give a smile and thumbs up :eek: ...

what was really scary is that there was a Police Station on the other side of the road, and because I was racing this guy, I had to miss my U trun, so when I made the U turn on my way back,My Valentine detector started beebing and there was a cop givin a ticket to another car, and once I
passed, the cop started moving and he was behind me with the lights on for like 3 seconds,I was like ,, shiiiitttt.... because probably we were racing on the other side of the road... :evil2 , but he turned off his lights and he turned to the police station...

I don't do too much street racing but was going for it today and I felt like doing it,,, I don't do that so often :D

i'll buy a lotto ticket if i were you..........nice run btw

Nice run! It is interesting that they blew it and badged it.

Wow, never heard of a turbo contour before :az:

Wow, never heard of a turbo contour before :az:

me neither. The edit SVT Contour had a 2.5l v6 which Ford rated at 195hp.

EDIT: Ford's hp ratings are all over the map, underrating some vehicles while overrating others. I have no idea how the SVT Contour falls within that. A turbo SVT Contour would be interesting.

The Duratech V6 (in this case a 3.0 liter, which I believe may be in the current Euro-Contour known as the Mondeo, but ICBW) is capable of making some serious power.

Ever heard of the Noble M12?

http://www.noblecars.com/new-noble-site/index.html

They claim 352 bhp at the crank, and I think there is another hundred or so, if not more, available with greater boost pressure.

The M12 GTO-3R runs 0-100 MPH in 8.8 seconds. :eek:

Interesting. I've seen a Noble (in London, not here), but didn't know what sort of motor it ran.

For sure it's an after market turbo and they gave him couple of "Turbo" badges to be proud of.

The Duratech V6 (in this case a 3.0 liter, which I believe may be in the current Euro-Contour known as the Mondeo, but ICBW) is capable of making some serious power.

I thought the Contour (including the SVT) used the 2.5 liter Duratech...

Yup: "... The SVT used the 2.5-liter V6 engine but in 195-horsepower tune..." http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2159

I thought the Contour (including the SVT) used the 2.5 liter Duratech...

Yup: "... The SVT used the 2.5-liter V6 engine but in 195-horsepower tune..." http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2159

I do not disagree. I was not talking about the 2.5 in the old Contour SVT, but rather the 3.0 in the current Mondeo.

In any event, the point was to illustrate the potential of the turbocharged Duratech.

BTW, the Noble used to use the 2.5 before moving to the 3.0, IIRC.

Ah, gotcha. When you said "in this case" I thought you were referring to the Contour in the original post, not the Noble. :P

I still prefer the 3 liter out of the SHO as far as Ford engines go. (yes, I know it's more accurately a Yamaha) I've seen a video of 450+ HP super and turbo charged SHOs. :eek:

For sure it's an after market turbo and they gave him couple of "Turbo" badges to be proud of.

Don't those stickers add 50 hp each?

Don't those stickers add 50 hp each?

Youre sooo dumb, its 65HP :rolleyes:

75 bhp if it's a Honda... :D

Totally wrong.

Sticker and badge hp is rated at the wheels, not the crank.

You wouldn't see so many stickers and badges if it was just good for 10 hp at the crank . . .

Plus, I hear there is an insane friction loss for stickers (they are sticky after all), something like 50%, so 10 sticker hp is like 15 at the crank.

BTW, both of my Hondas are 100% sticker free (other than an old parking ramp sticker on the NSX).

There are quite a few Contour SVTs on the road now with either a 3L or a t/c. Most 3Ls are putting down 200+whp.with decent tq.

Turboed CSVTs are putting down 275-300whp/275wtq. There are t/c'd and s/c'd 3L cars in the 380-390whp range. Very few of those though. As these cars get older and cheaper, there are starting to be quicker ones.

They're still FWD so it's hard to get the power down in the 1st couple gears. Even still, some of these cars with FI are trapping 107-111mph in the 1/4.

You've got to have your eyes open these days. You just never know what you'll run into. :devillook

-R-

75 bhp if it's a Honda... :D
:lol:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pe925bd55a6bb2a78272ced49157721cc/fc48ccb3.jpg
Damn right, why do you think I have those stickers on my bumper cover?
Things gave me a 150hp boost.. :lol:

Was this the car?

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/449000-449999/449256_51_full.jpg

Was this the car?

I think yah, almost same tint and same color, wheels too ...i remember that the driver had a passenger too while driving on Big Beaver. if it's yours, do u want a rematch? :D

It wasn't his but the guy lives near where you guys raced. You've got some balls though racing past the police station on Big Beaver, I'll give you that much!

I'm sure Scott wouldn't mind winning again. :stickoutt

Cool, take it the track (the 1320), keep it safe, and have fun! :buttrock

ooooh, can I play.... :devillook

and we should invite "moadster" so we can have an estorilblau slugfest.. ;)

I thought you get an extra 15hp if you have the huge gt wing? Secondly, that M12 looks like a cross between ferrari and an mr-2. and Thirdly, you drove home in a bmw, there, you know it was coming and somebody had to say it.

Cool, take it the track (the 1320), keep it safe, and have fun! :buttrock

I'm heading to the 660' in a few. The 1320 in the heat didn't piss me off enough, time for some more frustration. :stickoutt

I'm heading to the 660' in a few. The 1320 in the heat didn't piss me off enough, time for some more frustration. :stickoutt
Have fun, Curt, keep us posted... :alright

The Duratech V6 (in this case a 3.0 liter, which I believe may be in the current Euro-Contour known as the Mondeo, but ICBW) is capable of making some serious power.

Ever heard of the Noble M12?

http://www.noblecars.com/new-noble-site/index.html

They claim 352 bhp at the crank, and I think there is another hundred or so, if not more, available with greater boost pressure.

The M12 GTO-3R runs 0-100 MPH in 8.8 seconds. :eek:

Yes, but the 3.0 litre duratec is being fed by two turbos. 352 crank or even 400+ isn't too amazing when you consider the presence of two hairdryers

Don't those stickers add 50 hp each?

nu-uh, :nono he said badges, those are good for 75!

Sheesh shows what you guys know! :stickoutt

Yes, but the 3.0 litre duratec is being fed by two turbos. 352 crank or even 400+ isn't too amazing when you consider the presence of two hairdryers

As indicated in my post, greater power is available with additional boost.

That the M12s Duratech is fed by twin turbos is not a surprise. It was not my intention to suggest otherwise, nor do I believe I did so suggest.

The twin turbos are a little over kill on the Noble. It would be fine with one and some good internals. It's twins on the stock 170hp Duratec not the SVT Duratec. And to the guy who said you still went home in a Beemer. I hope you're happy because you probably spent double. :D Then we can go the argument well if I was FI'd then who's be the winner. Blah blah. Contours are a great bang for the buck car. Picked up used for under 10k. Excellent handling and very good look with the SVT cladding. And if I can't win with the Tour I'll just grab the SHO I spent $1500 on. No it's not going to have the looks or quality materials the a BMW has. I don't care. I spent a fraction and having just as much fun when I go home. :buttrock

And to the guy who said you still went home in a Beemer.
He'd take it in the twisties too.

And so would we with 4 people inside. Hmm .91g stock for the SVT w/ no suspension upgrades. But it would keep up pretty well. :redspot

Results from an SCCA event couple years ago. Competed against a guy in a 325 in STS. I didn't even have suspension mods. I placed 3rd. Him 5th. :D Don't underestimate.

SCCA Event (http://www.wmr-scca.org/1documents/2solodocs/2001solodocs/010903results.doc)

hey, at least my engine is not turbo :D . I would dare him to take me at the drag though :evil2. & the twesties ZCouper ;)

With both you and him being equal in driving skill, the SVT will win in the twisties. I think in the 1/4 mile you would take him if you nailed all of your shifts, but if the race was more then 1/4 mile long he would end up passing you fairly easily. The top end of the 2.5L with the turbo is just insane. Because of the FWD it's almost impossible to get a proper launch at a drag strip though, so the times seem to be low 14/high 13 but with traps anywhere all the way up to 111mph. From a roll I think the SVT would have the slight advantage again. Espicially if you started from a point where the SVT was already seeing full boost. However, if you put a supercharger or turbo on your car, 1/4 mile, longer than 1/4 mile and the roll would all be yours. A road course would be very interesting though...

With both you and him being equal in driving skill, the SVT will win in the twisties.

I have to disagree, due to RWD v. FWD. Plus, throw the weight into the equation, too. Skidpad ratings are one thing, but it's another to be able to transfer weight, and maintain full traction. With the Contour, you're going to get understeer, and likely will have tire-spin from the inside tire (unless the car comes with an LSD, of which I am unaware).


The twin turbos are a little over kill on the Noble. It would be fine with one and some good internals.

The twin turbo's result in achievement of boost with less lag time. Two little turbo's pushing, say, 5lbs each, will spool in 2/3rd's the time it'd take a single, larger turbo to produce 10lbs.

When a car is built for racing, the less spool-time, the quicker the car is going to be... Look at the Toyota Supra, for this one. Instead of a single turbo (it's an I6, so the manifold argument won't work), it's a twin. The spool/lag time is greatly reduced. People upgrading, though, switch to a single, due primarily to cost. Half the piping, half the turbo, etc. Also, not many of the big-turbo Supra's are used on tight road courses... The drag strip, and open stretches of highway are a completely different story... :evil2

I have to disagree, due to RWD v. FWD. Plus, throw the weight into the equation, too. Skidpad ratings are one thing, but it's another to be able to transfer weight, and maintain full traction. With the Contour, you're going to get understeer, and likely will have tire-spin from the inside tire (unless the car comes with an LSD, of which I am unaware).
The cars don't come stock with an LSD, but it's one of the more popular upgrades on the Contour. Espicially cars with any type of forced induction or people into auto-x'ing or road racing. The car that raced the BMW, I don't think has an LSD, but I could be wrong. I know he was planning on getting one, but I don't know if he ever did yet or not. With the LSD I feel the CSVT has the edge for sure, FWD or not. Without one, being that this specific CSVT has a nice suspension set-up, I'd say if the BMW could manage to stay ahead that the distance between the two cars would be very minimal. It would be a good race either way. In the 1/4 mile I still give the edge slightly to the BMW, but anything more than that 1/4 mile and the CSVT will pass the BMW fairly easily. Same thing from a roll.

Seeing that we've invaded your forum, feel free to come look around ours. Just a warning, some of the people on our forum aren't the brightest bunch, and some are young and just don't know better. After all, you can pick up a 2.5L Contour for $3 - $4k, haha. But, there are a ton of people with great info. and a handful of Contours running around with 350+ and even 400+ horsepower (there ya go Rick) that would slay cars even considerably better than the ones discussed in this thread. But they've also paid to get there, and most of the people who are at that point right now did everything themselves. All of the custom fabrication and all of the R&D, they've managed to pull way ahead of the rest of the Contour owners. But give us this much...seeing that the Contour was only around for less than a decade, and the CSVT was only around for 3 years...we're not doing too bad! Anyhow, http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?Cat= . Feel free to snoop around. I know you might not be interested in our little 2.0L zetec engine, but check out some of the supercharged and turbocharged cars. BuckshotSVT, DemonSVT, Keyser and Stazi the Aussie are all a few people whose cars you might want to look at. DemonSVT is still N/A and running 13.9's...

But give us this much...seeing that the Contour was only around for less than a decade, and the CSVT was only around for 3 years...we're not doing too bad! Anyhow, http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?Cat= .

CSVT rocks! :buttrock , I would get a trubo one if the cost is still under 11K :D , at that point, I would walk away from my BMW. what did I say! :nono
But as a side note, if we are talking about fast / autoX / drag cars I would start talking about other Makes too, but the point with BMW is the quality, reliability and the fine manufacturing, I did try lots of cars including Stangs/ Camaros/ Acura /Hondas, non matches the fun ride in a BMW...and you get what you paid for.

I smell a Meet at the drag race between some beemers and svt :evil2

Haha. There are only a few SVT's in the area (and I could count them on one hand) that could run with you. I agree that if we're talking about auto-x/drag racing/just plain fast cars, there are obviously better choices than a highly mod'ed CSVT or a BMW Roadster. I was just comparing the two because thats what was in this situation. I'd love to have a Lotus Elise, but that's a whole other story. You also gotta look at the fact that our average age is much less than yours, I'm sure. Now I'm not calling you guys 'old', but...well comparativly speaking, you probably are! :stickoutt I'm 20 with a decent paying internship while I'm still in school. When I get a real job after I graduate, I can guarantee you will more likely catch me in the BMW dealership than at Ford. The only current Ford I would consider is the Cobra, but thats in a different class seperate from the two car's we're talking about. Actually right now I'm considering an E30 M3.


Right now, to buy a CSVT with the turbo already on it and the transmission beefed up to handle it all, you would pay about $15k to $16k. That would get you a CSVT with more or less as many mods as possible. Turbo kit included with everything, aftermarket wheels/tires, full suspension, all the transmission goodies, etc. etc. Never in a million years could anyone contest the fact that you guys drive BMW's with build quality far superior to that of any Ford. I completely agree with you on that, as I'm sure anyone would. Your car's can hold resale value as well. Our's aren't worth a damn thing anymore! If you want to meet up though with some BMW's and some Contours, I'm sure we could arrange something. Are you guys going out to the dream cruise?

hey, at least my engine is not turbo :D . I would dare him to take me at the drag though :evil2. & the twesties ZCouper ;)

Even n/a contours are running times as well as you, not to mention trapping a few mph's higher. Demonsvt on our forums runs a 13.9 @ 101 mph. :redspot






The twin turbo's result in achievement of boost with less lag time. Two little turbo's pushing, say, 5lbs each, will spool in 2/3rd's the time it'd take a single, larger turbo to produce 10lbs.

When a car is built for racing, the less spool-time, the quicker the car is going to be... Look at the Toyota Supra, for this one. Instead of a single turbo (it's an I6, so the manifold argument won't work), it's a twin. The spool/lag time is greatly reduced. People upgrading, though, switch to a single, due primarily to cost. Half the piping, half the turbo, etc. Also, not many of the big-turbo Supra's are used on tight road courses... The drag strip, and open stretches of highway are a completely different story... :evil2

I agree that the TT on the Noble is overkill. Even a single T-28 turbo on a 2.5L contour svt has made ~ 345 crank hp, not to mention full boost is acheived by 2800 rpm's. Twin turbos T-28's will acheive no greater hp, than a single turbo T-28. I dont see why two turbos are neccessary other than a pimp factor with the 2.5L or 3.0L duratec.

Why do most TT supra owners convert to a single turbo if a twin turbo setup is so much beneficial?

Why do most TT supra owners convert to a single turbo if a twin turbo setup is so much beneficial?
Same with the latest model Rx-7's. They prefer a single turbo over the two stock ones.

Even n/a contours are running times as well as you, not to mention trapping a few mph's higher. Demonsvt on our forums runs a 13.9 @ 101 mph. :redspot


lol, 97 mph trap was for the first time drag racing, I have been told that I could go 107 mph easly +, I just need more tries...

Regarding the age thing, look at this thread http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219442 , most of the owners are between 20 and 30 ...
We might have a meet at the Cruise with some other M3s , we might go to the AutoCross too at the Silverdom this 22nd. :redspot

According to that poll the average age here is 34, which is about what I figured. Thats only taking into account those who bothered posting their age, which tends to be the 'younger' people anyhow, haha. Contour = cheap 1st car for parents to buy their high school kid. Or a cheap last car old people have before they die. Depends which way you want to look at it :buttrock

For what it's worth, Demon's run of 13.9 @ 101 was his first time on the new engine as well I think.

Hi i'm the owner of the car you raced, and I would have no problem with a rematch.

If it provides any source of information I recently raced twice an m coupe with at least a full supertrapp exhaust and although I certainly lost off the start I slightly edged him out at the end of 3rd. This and the race mentioned were both run with a large up-pipe leak, which has completely thrown off my tune, and delayed my spool to 3800rpms

For the guy who talked about going home in a bmw; if you are really that insecure that you define yourself by what kind of car you drive, I would recommend you look into buying a mercedes. If I can add to the already well made point that you are a tool, I also own a fully race prepared improved touring mazda rx-7, an enclosed trailer to tow it, and a tow van. If I wanted to look cool i'm sure I could have bought an escalade on spinners.

As far as handling goes, although my car is very well set up for a contour, I would definitely have to give it to the m. I drove one as an instructor at beaverun motorsports complex and came away very impressed.

I would also like to add that I am a very big bmw fan, very few cars can feel as good as one at the limit. Just the other day I had the opportunity to drive both a new s4 and an m3 back to back as an instructor and I was amazed how much better the bmw performed. Even if lap times were the same, the bmw did it soo much better.

How this settles it a bit. Plus the badge matches the svt symol perfectly, and looks completely oem.

Hi i'm the owner of the car you raced, and I would have no problem with a rematch.

If it provides any source of information I recently raced twice an m coupe with at least a full supertrapp exhaust and although I certainly lost off the start I slightly edged him out at the end of 3rd. This and the race mentioned were both run with a large up-pipe leak, which has completely thrown off my tune, and delayed my spool to 3800rpms

For the guy who talked about going home in a bmw; if you are really that insecure that you define yourself by what kind of car you drive, I would recommend you look into buying a mercedes. If I can add to the already well made point that you are a tool, I also own a fully race prepared improved touring mazda rx-7, an enclosed trailer to tow it, and a tow van. If I wanted to look cool i'm sure I could have bought an escalade on spinners.

As far as handling goes, although my car is very well set up for a contour, I would definitely have to give it to the m. I drove one as an instructor at beaverun motorsports complex and came away very impressed.

I would also like to add that I am a very big bmw fan, very few cars can feel as good as one at the limit. Just the other day I had the opportunity to drive both a new s4 and an m3 back to back as an instructor and I was amazed how much better the bmw performed. Even if lap times were the same, the bmw did it soo much better.

How this settles it a bit. Plus the badge matches the svt symol perfectly, and looks completely oem.


Post some more pics of your car/motor if you can...I'd like to see that beast.

Any vids? Nice car... :buttrock

For the guy who talked about going home in a bmw; if you are really that insecure that you define yourself by what kind of car you drive, I would recommend you look into buying a mercedes. If I can add to the already well made point that you are a tool, I also own a fully race prepared improved touring mazda rx-7, an enclosed trailer to tow it, and a tow van. If I wanted to look cool i'm sure I could have bought an escalade on spinners.
Easy tiger, its just a saying that goes around here alot that other tools use. It was a joke, nothing personal. :D

Easy tiger, its just a saying that goes around here alot that other tools use. It was a joke, nothing personal. :D


Yeah, the actual implication was to point out the absurdity of those who think that way, it wasn't meant as a literal statement.

But if you just got here how could you know that?

Trivia: Big Beaver is exit # 69 for those of you not privy to the area....

Yeah, the actual implication was to point out the absurdity of those who think that way, it wasn't meant as a literal statement.

But if you just got here how could you know that?

Trivia: Big Beaver is exit # 69 for those of you not privy to the area....

#69 :evil2 ..

Hey Biggsvt, welcome here!! it was nice running with you...your car was a real sleeper to me...and I hope you don't get the BMW fever, expecially the M3 fever...
May be I will catch you sometime at a local Autocross or at the labeer dragway... and yah the driving home with BMW thing is just a joke because we paid too much for that machine... ;)

Ah I see .....inside joke. Sorry....I just really hate those people as .you can see...

As far as BMW fever goes, I would love to have an E30 m3. Maybe someday...

Here is a link to my cardomain site, it is a tad out of date but provides a nice overview of my cars. I do not have an lsd yet, I am currently planning a new engine and I am waiting to do the tranny work when I have the engine out.

cardomain (www.cardomain.com/id/kontofosho)

A little side note on the badge: When the first had the turbo I had a hell of a time finding races, people in evo/sti/m3 etc. would not "waste their gas" on me (not that I blame them). To be completely honest I have had much more fun with it on, and MANY still seriously underestimate the car.

Welcome to BimmerForums, you've got a very unique car there. Enjoy your stay, and please forgive any BMW bias you might find here... :D

Ah I see .....inside joke. Sorry....I just really hate those people as .you can see...

As far as BMW fever goes, I would love to have an E30 m3. Maybe someday...

Here is a link to my cardomain site, it is a tad out of date but provides a nice overview of my cars. I do not have an lsd yet, I am currently planning a new engine and I am waiting to do the tranny work when I have the engine out.

cardomain (www.cardomain.com/id/kontofosho)

A little side note on the badge: When the first had the turbo I had a hell of a time finding races, people in evo/sti/m3 etc. would not "waste their gas" on me (not that I blame them). To be completely honest I have had much more fun with it on, and MANY still seriously underestimate the car.
its ok man, you got a kick ass car. Welcome to the forum! :)

One nice CSVT there

Don't worry new guys, there are ALOT of inside jokes floating around bf.c... some are more subtle than others ;)

As long as you don't put an M-badge on the Contour, you should be okay.