My freind and I were on are way to a freind's house and we decided to take HWY 100 (those local know what it is) its a 3 lane each way hwy that people often cruise/race.

As I pulled closer to him I noticed the Mach 1 badge and figured finnally I would get a good race, so at the next light I asked him if he wanted to race and he said he wanted to do start the race in 2nd. I agreed and we went through 1st normally then in 2nd at about 3500 his son counted down 3 and we took off.

The race was dead even, our front bumpers were even all the way through 2nd and almost to the end of 3rd when we shut it down.

After the race and I pulled into to get some gas and he followed. He was impressed, he thought he would beat me easily. I asked him what the motor was rated at and he said it was the cobra motor minus the supercharger, he said 305 stock. He was an older redneck with a mullet but he was a nice guy.

My mods: Dinan CAI, Euro HFM, JC Chip, Stromung Exhaust, Fan Delete, Stripped trunk and less than 1/4 tank of gas.

His mods: the #3 Dale Earnhardt sticker

Mach 1:

They're good for low, low 13s and traps ranging from 106-107mph. He should've walked you pretty hard. I'd say they're more E46 M3 territory.

Nice run...

He was an older redneck with a mullet but he was a nice guy.

You raced Joe Dirt!

I have yet to run a Mach 1 Mustang...

But, they're good for low, low 13s and traps ranging from 105-106mph. He should've walked you pretty hard. I'd say they're more E46 M3 territory.

Nice run...


Motor Trend: 13.88@101.91

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_frst2_mach1/index1.html

MSN Autos : 14.12@105

HP: 305@5800
TQ: 320@4250
Curb Weight: Manual 3465lbs

from: http://www.mach1registry.com/Specs/Specs.htm

Motor Trend: 13.88@101.91

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_frst2_mach1/index1.html

That's the same magazine that claims the 03 Cobra does a 13.6@103mph :lol:

Don't believe everything you read, man. I'd bet my keys on a Mach 1 leaving the 01 Cobras; and I know for a fact the 01 Cobra is significantly faster than a 13.88. My neighbor took his 01 Cobra to a 13.5@104mph

You raced Joe Dirt!


If only his hot woman were in the car.

I have yet to run a Mach 1 Mustang...

But, they're good for low, low 13s and traps ranging from 105-106mph. He should've walked you pretty hard. I'd say they're more E46 M3 territory.

Nice run...

Actually they're low 14 or high 13's and the story makes complete sense. Worth considering is the fact that an e36 m3 weighs much less than a mach one (around 300 pounds). A nustang cobra runs mid 13's, with the occasional low 13. e46 m3 would spank the mach 1 until it bleeds through every pore :stickoutt :stickoutt :stickoutt

and yeah, every once in a while, someone gets a good time, like your neighbour in his 01 cobra

That's the same magazine that claims the 03 Cobra does a 13.6@103mph :lol:

Don't believe everything you read, man. I'd bet my keys on a Mach 1 leaving the 01 Cobras; and I know for a fact the 01 Cobra is significantly faster than a 13.88. My neighbor took his 01 Cobra to a 13.5@104mph

I don't believe everything I read some magazines say 14.2 some say 13.2 so whose to say that his was low 13 rather than a high 13. Some people say they have run a high 13 in a bone stock m3, its all a bunch of heirsay.

Posting that your friends cobra is faster than an 01 cobra and that a Mach 1 is faster than an 01 cobra is pointless.

2 closely matched cars raced and that was the outcome, just leave it at that.

geesh!

I don't believe everything I read some magazines say 14.2 some say 13.2 so whose to say that his was low 13 rather than a high 13. Some people say they have run a high 13 in a bone stock m3, its all a bunch of heirsay.

Posting that your friends cobra is faster than an 01 cobra and that a Mach 1 is faster than an 01 cobra is pointless.

2 closely matched cars raced and that was the outcome, just leave it at that.

geesh!

Chill...I wasn't starting anything. Just stating my experiences, that's all.

I said, nice run! :)

Chill...I wasn't starting anything. Just stating my experiences, that's all.

I said, nice run! :)

Cool :redspot

His mods: the #3 Dale Earnhardt sticker
That adds 80 hp he should have walked you stop lying

A few guys have gotten the Mach 1 into the very high 12's, off the showroom floor... guys who know how to drag race, no doubt, but don't underestimate a well driven 5 spd Mach 1.

They have the same motor as the 2001 Cobra, lower center of gravity, weigh less, have the solid rear axle (better for launching vs the 01 Cobra's IRS), 3.55 gears (vs the 01 Cobra's 3.27's) and the 2001 Cobra's ran 13.3's...

I thought you meant old school mach1 :( (good luck finding a stock one of those)

Well I'm not calling this BS but I am going to ay you beat the driver....my roomate works at a very large local Ford dealer and a friend of his and mine that was part of the maxima comminuty just bought a Mach 1....right off the floor he pulled a 13.6 in bad conditions....there is a guy that works with him that has ran a 13.2 stock...We get pretty good times here in NC, with below sea level conditions.....but I know there is no way my M3 could hang with that car

Ah the days of cruising down Hwy 100. Perhaps when I am in town this weekend I will take a drive for memories sake. Too bad when I used to cruise it high school it was usually in a mini van. :)

You only raced to third gear. Fourth is where it would start getting nasty.

A few guys have gotten the Mach 1 into the very high 12's, off the showroom floor... guys who know how to drag race, no doubt, but don't underestimate a well driven 5 spd Mach 1.

They have the same motor as the 2001 Cobra, lower center of gravity, weigh less, have the solid rear axle (better for launching vs the 01 Cobra's IRS), 3.55 gears (vs the 01 Cobra's 3.27's) and the 2001 Cobra's ran 13.3's...


As usual, you guys should listen to Dave. I wonder how many of you have driven/raced in or against the Mach. In addition to what Dave said, its the 01 spec Cobra motor with diffrent cams, it consistantly makes 15 xtra hp on the dyno stock for stock against 01 Cobras ( 290 rwhp vs. 275 rwhp). The cams help, so does the solid axle. Light bolt-ons and you'll see well over 300 rwhp. Ive raced a few of them and ive raced many many E36 M3s. Bottom line: FI cars nonwidthstanding, the Mach will hammer the E36 M3 from a stop or a roll. Its more on the lines of a E46 M3 racer, the Bimmer getting the nod on the top end, the Mach on the low end. As Dave stated, a top notch driver at Norwalk/Atco/Etown etc. will put those cars into the 12's, if not stock then certainly with some DRs. From a roll, my LS1 puts several cars on them, but from a stop they are very tough customers. And i have DRs, a gear and a full complement of drag-specific suspension mods to my car.

Mind you im not at all calling bs. Just putting in my .02 on the subject. :cool:

I raced a Mach 1 for about 10 seconds in traffic when my ///M was stock about a week after I bought it... he couldn't pull at all on me + I had the DSC on so the computer was actually helping him!

Now that I am modded, and more confident with the car, I am sure that I won't have much trouble at all with them... they are definately not slow cars though.

The Mach 1 has a hood scoop... no contest...

:lol: at John! Matt, consider that your car runs 0-60 in the mid 4's, runs 12's in the 1320, and has trap speeds around 107-109 mph... you should beat Mach 1's...

Phatna, as always, great words of wisdom, good to see you around these parts... when's your next visit to the Atco area?

Phatna, as always, great words of wisdom, good to see you around these parts... when's your next visit to the Atco area?

Well heres the deal. I left the job that would have brought me to the area, so im really not sure as to when i might make it up that way. The travel was more than i expected and the money was less sooooo. Im still "in the business" so to speak, but this time at a real shop that actually does installs and makes cars fast. Mostly Mustangs and imports, but hey, nobodys perfect :) Our list of "shop cars" (as in owned by the boss man and some of the guys that work here) includes:
-not 1 but 2 Saleen S-351s (a '99 and i think the other is a '95 both making WELL north of 500 rwhp)
-a '96 Viper (currently having the motor built, Paxton Novi 2000 blower waiting to go on)
-'88 Fox body vert w/ 408 Windsor stroker motor and a YS-trim Vortech (can you say 21 psi?)
-S2k again waiting for us to get off our butts and install an S-trim on it
-a 2001 Focus w/ an F-trim @ 15 psi AND a NX kit (built bottom end of course) and several other notables.

If you cant tell, were a big time Vortech dealer as well as ATI and quite a few other big names. I dont wanna get to indepth since we arent a sponsor on here but anywho thats what i been up to. Its a wicked fun job. Think i'll keep at it till im forced to grow up and get a "real" job. :cool:

But do any of them have hood scoops? The 95 S-351's had reverse scoops, and vipers had vents, but any with scoops?

I have a hood-bulge... does that count? :D

But do any of them have hood scoops? The 95 S-351's had reverse scoops, and vipers had vents, but any with scoops?

Actually we've got a bone stock '72 Mach 1 with scoops. Its a terd. A well-restored terd, but a terd none the less. :cool:

Well heres the deal. I left the job that would have brought me to the area, so im really not sure as to when i might make it up that way. The travel was more than i expected and the money was less sooooo. Im still "in the business" so to speak, but this time at a real shop that actually does installs and makes cars fast. Mostly Mustangs and imports, but hey, nobodys perfect :) Our list of "shop cars" (as in owned by the boss man and some of the guys that work here) includes:
-not 1 but 2 Saleen S-351s (a '99 and i think the other is a '95 both making WELL north of 500 rwhp)
-a '96 Viper (currently having the motor built, Paxton Novi 2000 blower waiting to go on)
-'88 Fox body vert w/ 408 Windsor stroker motor and a YS-trim Vortech (can you say 21 psi?)
-S2k again waiting for us to get off our butts and install an S-trim on it
-a 2001 Focus w/ an F-trim @ 15 psi AND a NX kit (built bottom end of course) and several other notables.

If you cant tell, were a big time Vortech dealer as well as ATI and quite a few other big names. I dont wanna get to indepth since we arent a sponsor on here but anywho thats what i been up to. Its a wicked fun job. Think i'll keep at it till im forced to grow up and get a "real" job. :cool:

Holy Crap! :eek:

Havent seen you around since the Road and Track forums :buttrock

Vortech, eh... must resist... getting blown... again... :D

Vortech, eh... must resist... getting blown... again... :D

:bj: :devillook :buttrock

Vortech, eh... must resist... getting blown... again... :D

Lets see....whats that you're driving.... ahhh a 330 ZHP, alrighty lemme get a price together. :devillook You definitly need to get you a hair dryer again. You have waaaay to much fun with 330 rwhp bimmers to be without one. :cool:

Slick, yeah man its been a while. I finally have regular net access now. Im baaaaaccckkkk. :D

The M54 3.0 responds to boost, we know that... but special software is needed for the ZHP, some new computer from BMW is in it, so it's gonna be rare...

As usual, you guys should listen to Dave. I wonder how many of you have driven/raced in or against the Mach. In addition to what Dave said, its the 01 spec Cobra motor with diffrent cams, it consistantly makes 15 xtra hp on the dyno stock for stock against 01 Cobras ( 290 rwhp vs. 275 rwhp). The cams help, so does the solid axle. Light bolt-ons and you'll see well over 300 rwhp. Ive raced a few of them and ive raced many many E36 M3s. Bottom line: FI cars nonwidthstanding, the Mach will hammer the E36 M3 from a stop or a roll. Its more on the lines of a E46 M3 racer, the Bimmer getting the nod on the top end, the Mach on the low end. As Dave stated, a top notch driver at Norwalk/Atco/Etown etc. will put those cars into the 12's, if not stock then certainly with some DRs. From a roll, my LS1 puts several cars on them, but from a stop they are very tough customers. And i have DRs, a gear and a full complement of drag-specific suspension mods to my car.

Mind you im not at all calling bs. Just putting in my .02 on the subject. :cool:


Not to criticize, but he's beating you on the low end because of your launch. A 2.1 60' with DR's, and rwd, and you oughta be closer to 1.6's...

I've seen STOCK (including tires) VW's do 1.8 60's... You obviously have the power, and you have the sticky/susp to beat a 2.1 also...

That quicker 60' would put you into the 12's, also, which is where a car like yours oughta be sitting...

Not to criticize, but he's beating you on the low end because of your launch. A 2.1 60' with DR's, and rwd, and you oughta be closer to 1.6's...

I've seen STOCK (including tires) VW's do 1.8 60's... You obviously have the power, and you have the sticky/susp to beat a 2.1 also...

That quicker 60' would put you into the 12's, also, which is where a car like yours oughta be sitting...
Have you ever launched an LS1 at the strip? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to launch a car with that much torque? Unless you've actually done it, I wouldn't make comments on what "should be"...

Have you ever launched an LS1 at the strip? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to launch a car with that much torque? Unless you've actually done it, I wouldn't make comments on what "should be"...

Thanks for the words of wisdom there Dave. But, alas, Mr. Mountain bike guy is right. 2.1 short times with the setup i have is pathetic, but cars running slicks at Rockingham routinely pull 1.8 short times or worse. Ive never seen anyone with a car that drove to the track do better than a 1.7 and that was an 11 sec. GN on ET Streets. So, considering the car I have and the track i run at, not to mention i have a pretty darn good bit of seat time, im doin the best i can :). But mountain biker is right, my car is a 12 sec car all day long. High 12's, but 12s none the less.

On the flip side though, catch me at a light on the street and see what happens :evil2 . I put 2-3 cars on most vehicles (not necessarily a well driven Mach 1) i race on the street from a light by the end of 2nd, and it only gets worse from there. :cool:

Oh I hear you, but my comments are more to the point of not everyone can cut 1.6 short times with DR's in an LS1 powered F-body, it does take some time and skill...

Your average Joe would hop in that car for the first time, and sit there and spin 'em. I have launched LS1's, and I used to own an LT1 powered Z28 for years, so I know what it takes, and I know it's not "easy"...

That's all I meant...

And Nitto DR's are much more street tire than say BFG DR's... Nitto DR's and like sticky summer street tires.

BFG DR's are not something I'd want on my car as a daily driver, just for the strip... Nitto DR's dont' grab like the BFG DR's do at the track...

And Nitto DR's are much more street tire than say BFG DR's... Nitto DR's and like sticky summer street tires.

BFG DR's are not something I'd want on my car as a daily driver, just for the strip... Nitto DR's dont' grab like the BFG DR's do at the track...

Your exactly right. Ive got 3 good friends (and damn good drivers every one) who've wrapped their cars around trees or put 'em up on curbs when caught in the rain with BFG drags. And they were actively trying to be careful. Ive had my Nittos in the rain about 6 times since i got them on and they hold as well as any street tire ive used.

And on the short-time talk again, ive NEVER seen anyone at Rockingham on street tires in a LS1 Fbody (or Y body for that matter) cut better than a 2.2 (and 2.3-2.6 is more common). And even on ET streets 1.9s are the norm. So im right on the curve. At some of the smaller 1/8 mi. tracks ive cut 2.1 and even a few 2.0s on street tires, havent been to one since the DRs went on. Guess we'll see.

Could be the track... :dunno

PHATNA Z judging by the cars you guys are working on and location, I'm guessing you work at underground racing? Those 60 ft times are not suprising at rockingham. I have a been a few times and I refuse to go back because that track does not hook, I have yet to see one good pass from any car at Rockingham.

PHATNA Z judging by the cars you guys are working on and location, I'm guessing you work at underground racing? Those 60 ft times are not suprising at rockingham. I have a been a few times and I refuse to go back because that track does not hook, I have yet to see one good pass from any car at Rockingham.

Close but no cigar. I work at Carolina Performance Racing. We were "sister companies" with UR for a while, but have since had a rather nasty falling out. It all happened before i came on here, so i dont delve into the details (mostly because i dont know them). But we are no longer associated with Underground. And they have since gotten rid of all but 1 of their Saleens (the yellow one in case you were wondering). They are more or less a Viper specialty shop now from what i gather, and have several very nasty examples of the specie in their stable. If you make it to Charlotte much stop by and see me sometime, we're walking distance from UR.

And on the Rockingham talk, your about the 100th person whose expressed such sentiments to me. Its acutally a fun track to run when you have tons of top end, all the spinning in the first 330 ft makes for some killer traps. Regardless, I only go when its a bunch of us getting together for a track day. Otherwise, its mostly Moorseville or sometimes Shadyside (which hooks suprisingly well on a good day).

From a roll, my LS1 puts several cars on them, but from a stop they are very tough customers.

And they raced from a roll ;) I think that with some mods (like he has) it could easily have happened, and yes, with the right driver in the Mach 1, it may have won, and with the wrong driver in the M3 it could have been walked on. But that isn't what happened. It makes me mad when someone has a great race and people turn on them in these forums (although I admit this post wasn't too bad compared to some others.) But for God's sake, he represented US, and did a damn good job of it.

Why can't everyone leave it at: "Nice race man!" :buttrock



Unless of course it is OBVIOUS b.s. Like if I posted that I walked on a Lambo in my 318i

But this wasn't like that, so...GREAT RACE, keep it up, show people what the M can do!

Phatna, you need to come up to Atco or E-town and run your car, man... :buttrock

Actually we've got a bone stock '72 Mach 1 with scoops. Its a terd. A well-restored terd, but a terd none the less. :cool:

Hey . . . I had a 72 Mach 1 & 70 Mach 1

I had no terds ! !

That was the S*** back in the day ! !

And they raced from a roll ;) I think that with some mods (like he has) it could easily have happened, and yes, with the right driver in the Mach 1, it may have won, and with the wrong driver in the M3 it could have been walked on. But that isn't what happened. It makes me mad when someone has a great race and people turn on them in these forums (although I admit this post wasn't too bad compared to some others.) But for God's sake, he represented US, and did a damn good job of it.

Why can't everyone leave it at: "Nice race man!" :buttrock



Unless of course it is OBVIOUS b.s. Like if I posted that I walked on a Lambo in my 318i

But this wasn't like that, so...GREAT RACE, keep it up, show people what the M can do!

Ehhh sorry bro. I was just saying what my experiance had been with Mach 1s and E36 M3s. I went out of my way to state that i was not calling bs. In fact, it was a damn well run race on the part of the bimmer driver. Not trying to rain on anyones parade.

Dave, as soon as i get my car a few more mods, maybe by the end of the summer or when it starts getting cool this fall i may could plan a trip. Have to wait and see. But im darn sure all about getting my car to one of those "ringer" tracks for some killer time slips to take home.

You will let me know, of course, if you're up this way again, correct? :D

Actually they're low 14 or high 13's
I guess it's been pointed out a few times already -- but that is way off. You have to figure whent he LS1 guys give the Mach1 credit for being about as fast stock for stock you are looking at a low 13 / high 12 second car.

Regarding LS1's and 60's -- on street tires it is a bit of a trick (slipping) but those guys rip off some amazing 60's on drag radials. Of course -- it does not mean a damn thing unless your clutch is up to the task -- which explains a friends 13.5@108 with a "missed" (clutch stuck to the floor) 3rd gear the last time we went out ... time for the drill mod.

I guess it's been pointed out a few times already -- but that is way off. You have to figure whent he LS1 guys give the Mach1 credit for being about as fast stock for stock you are looking at a low 13 / high 12 second car.

Regarding LS1's and 60's -- on street tires it is a bit of a trick (slipping) but those guys rip off some amazing 60's on drag radials. Of course -- it does not mean a damn thing unless your clutch is up to the task -- which explains a friends 13.5@108 with a "missed" (clutch stuck to the floor) 3rd gear the last time we went out ... time for the drill mod.

Wish i could blame it on my clutch. I just put in a fresh LS6 clutch over last Christmas. Im pretty much set on it being more the track than anything.

Dave, i would most definitly let you know if i was making my way up there. Have to have someone who knows the area to tell me where the track is and point me towards some good titty bars, ya know stuff like that. :devillook Fair warning, i do tend to get my married friends in a marked amount of trouble. In fact, ive been "black listed" by more than one wife. Oh well, means im doin something right. :cool:

My wife is fully aware of my past, I doubt there's anything in my future that could compare to my past, so we'd be safe, and I know those places of which you speak, as well as some good steak houses, etc... :buttrock

A girl on a mustang site I'm on ran a 13.3 bone stock. She's a good driver.

I guess it's been pointed out a few times already -- but that is way off. You have to figure whent he LS1 guys give the Mach1 credit for being about as fast stock for stock you are looking at a low 13 / high 12 second car.

Granted, I can see a mach 1 pulling mid 13's in the hands of a very good driver on an odd occasion, but i've never ever seen a cobra (320 bhp pre2002) or a mach 1 run 0-60 in less than 5.5, and a quarter in less than (as recently brought forth, the time by that obviously talented female hotshoe) 13.3. with the exception of that 13.3, i've never seen under 13.5. Now those times are better than what I presumed, but going with the only references i've had, a mach one is indeed a low 14, high 13's car. FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED, ONLY. I know other's have apparently had different experiences, and congradualations to those drivers, but saying a mustang mach 1 is a high 12's car is absurdly far from the truth. With a blower, sure, easy, but stock? That would merit a 0-60 time of 4.6 or under, which is something a cobra has significant trouble achieving consistently. We all know a mach 1 cannot pull such a time.

0-60 is a pointless number.

Using your logic, I have only ever seen E36M3's run high 14's at the track, so that must mean the E36M3 is a high 14 second car.

The Mach 1's are low 13 second cars stock with the chance to get into the 12's given a great run. This is a fact that has been proven out numerous times by numerous people. MMFF ran a 13.19@106.7 -- that 107 trap is a good indication of the power they are making.

Whether you choose to live in your own reality is up to you, but please do not apply your reality to ours.

0-60 is a pointless number.

Using your logic, I have only ever seen E36M3's run high 14's at the track, so that must mean the E36M3 is a high 14 second car.

The Mach 1's are low 13 second cars stock with the chance to get into the 12's given a great run. This is a fact that has been proven out numerous times by numerous people. MMFF ran a 13.19@106.7 -- that 107 trap is a good indication of the power they are making.

Whether you choose to live in your own reality is up to you, but please do not apply your reality to ours.

Having raced a Mach or two from a dead dig, i have to agree with Steve. With the holeshot those cars are capable of, if you arent pulling mid-13s, something is wrong. And a top notch driver at a hooking track, low 13's high 12s is entirely possible. And dont compare these cars to the pre-03 Cobras, they are faster, no two ways about it. They share the same basic motor, but there a differences enough.

Granted, I can see a mach 1 pulling mid 13's in the hands of a very good driver on an odd occasion, but i've never ever seen a cobra (320 bhp pre2002) or a mach 1 run 0-60 in less than 5.5, and a quarter in less than (as recently brought forth, the time by that obviously talented female hotshoe) 13.3. with the exception of that 13.3, i've never seen under 13.5. Now those times are better than what I presumed, but going with the only references i've had, a mach one is indeed a low 14, high 13's car. FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED, ONLY. I know other's have apparently had different experiences, and congradualations to those drivers, but saying a mustang mach 1 is a high 12's car is absurdly far from the truth. With a blower, sure, easy, but stock? That would merit a 0-60 time of 4.6 or under, which is something a cobra has significant trouble achieving consistently. We all know a mach 1 cannot pull such a time.

You need to do more reading, then... If you like Magazines, then go find an older C&D where they got the 2001 Cobra 0-60 in 4.8 and 1/4 mile in 13.3.

From there do the math in your head, the Mach 1 has more torque than the Cobra did, lighter weight, solid rear axle- better for launch, 3.55 gears versus 3.27's....

And then check out The Corral where a few members have gotten high 12's off the showroom floor... granted, those guys can drag race, but still it's a fact...

You need to do more reading, then... If you like Magazines, then go find an older C&D where they got the 2001 Cobra 0-60 in 4.8 and 1/4 mile in 13.3.

From there do the math in your head, the Mach 1 has more torque than the Cobra did, lighter weight, solid rear axle- better for launch, 3.55 gears versus 3.27's....

And then check out The Corral where a few members have gotten high 12's off the showroom floor... granted, those guys can drag race, but still it's a fact...

Don't worry I've done quite the share of reading, but in this case your argumanet is fully valid and verified. Again, I'm actually confused, because I actually do recall that CD test where the cobra ran 0-60 4.8, but oddly enough, I've never seen other CD or MT or R&D or Automobile test where it achieved under 5.5. I doubt I've read everything, but case in point, the 01 is capable of sub 5 second times, so you could say that it's fair game to now consider the mach 1 a low 13's car (and on occasion high 12's). However,Ford's dyno figures are usually about as consistent as a teenage girl's mood, but that could actually work in favour of mach 1.

The M54 3.0 responds to boost, we know that... but special software is needed for the ZHP, some new computer from BMW is in it, so it's gonna be rare...

Well, the ASA SK1 kit reportedly works "seamlessly" with the ZHP. Check the e46fanatics forced induction forum... :devillook

ESS tuning is still developing their kit for the ZHP, I read.

Ah, to live vicariously through your FI kill stories again! :buttrock

The Mach 1 has been turning in 285 rwhp (280-290)... and more like 290-295 rwtq...

I know about Ford at the dyno, the 99 Cobra deficiency, and then the 2003 Cobra laying down 360-370 rwhp (when it's "rated" at 390 bhp) etc....

But the Mach 1, in the right hands, can be a screamer... and it even turned in better lap times than the 2003 Cobra, too, lighter weight, lower center of gravity, same springs, etc....

i drove a buddy of mines mach 1 very quick cars indeed, good to know thers some others out ther with modded obd1 m3's willing to prove to others what great cars we drive

Don't worry I've done quite the share of reading, but in this case your argumanet is fully valid and verified. Again, I'm actually confused, because I actually do recall that CD test where the cobra ran 0-60 4.8, but oddly enough, I've never seen other CD or MT or R&D or Automobile test where it achieved under 5.5. I doubt I've read everything, but case in point, the 01 is capable of sub 5 second times, so you could say that it's fair game to now consider the mach 1 a low 13's car (and on occasion high 12's). However,Ford's dyno figures are usually about as consistent as a teenage girl's mood, but that could actually work in favour of mach 1.

This post just proves a valuable point.....YOU CANT JUDGE S@#T BY LOOKING AT MAGAZNIE TIMES!!! No offense to you S.B, you arent the only one by any stretch who does it, and its very convienant and tempting to do, but my goodness can you get yourself into a whole mess of misinformation doing so. I mean every once and again the mags get the times for X car spot on, but by and large they are badly skewed (in which direction is purely on a situational basis and sometimes on purpose). As they say, a blind pig finds an acorn on occasion. Anywho this isnt a soap box i care to climb on, but you get my point. :cool:

Not to mention that most owners of any car, who have more seat time, and care to work at it, can almost always blow away the times the rags get in cars...

My mods: Dinan CAI, Euro HFM, JC Chip, Stromung Exhaust, Fan Delete, Stripped trunk and less than 1/4 tank of gas.


what all is stripped out of your trunk and how much does it all weigh?

This post just proves a valuable point.....YOU CANT JUDGE S@#T BY LOOKING AT MAGAZNIE TIMES!!! No offense to you S.B, you arent the only one by any stretch who does it, and its very convienant and tempting to do, but my goodness can you get yourself into a whole mess of misinformation doing so. I mean every once and again the mags get the times for X car spot on, but by and large they are badly skewed (in which direction is purely on a situational basis and sometimes on purpose). As they say, a blind pig finds an acorn on occasion. Anywho this isnt a soap box i care to climb on, but you get my point. :cool:

If you paid any attention you would have noticed that Silverstreak prompted me to read, so I kindly stated what I've read. I actually answer people's question directly. I was calm and reasonable, and you come in with the mighty caps lock. I've had enough realife experience to see my "magazine observations" confirmed, and I've been told about other people's similiar and varying accounts. I know magazine articles don't govern the automotive world, but they actually do hold value, because I've seen better m3 times on a continual basis. However, I've heard that mach 1's can come closer than i thought, so I backed off the topic, but you decide to come along and stir cement right before it's about to solidify. You're beating a dead horse, and I never said anything that demands such a retort, so I'll give you some advice as well: read and understand posts, and the possible angles they are coming from. That's what I have been doing.

If you paid any attention you would have noticed that Silverstreak prompted me to read, so I kindly stated what I've read. I actually answer people's question directly. I was calm and reasonable, and you come in with the mighty caps lock. I've had enough realife experience to see my "magazine observations" confirmed, and I've been told about other people's similiar and varying accounts. I know magazine articles don't govern the automotive world, but they actually do hold value, because I've seen better m3 times on a continual basis. However, I've heard that mach 1's can come closer than i thought, so I backed off the topic, but you decide to come along and stir cement right before it's about to solidify. You're beating a dead horse, and I never said anything that demands such a retort, so I'll give you some advice as well: read and understand posts, and the possible angles they are coming from. That's what I have been doing.

I suppose i shouldn't have used your post as a quote to prove my point. I just get tired of seeing people use mag times to argue the virtues of one car to the next. If your experiance is that mag times are accurate and to be taken to heart, do so. Mine is not. I am sorry if i came off wrong in my post as i did not mean to stir your cement or beat your horse :D .

Group hug? :D I think rags have their value for consistency's sake once in a while, depending on the cars involved, but as far as taking the rags' times as gospel, I'm a bit skeptical cuz they have never measured up to what I have been able to make happen first hand... :dunno

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I suppose i shouldn't have used your post as a quote to prove my point. I just get tired of seeing people use mag times to argue the virtues of one car to the next. If your experiance is that mag times are accurate and to be taken to heart, do so. Mine is not. I am sorry if i came off wrong in my post as i did not mean to stir your cement or beat your horse :D .

all is good :)
The dissappointing fact of the matter is, that magazines are not necessarily accurate in terms of a cars potential, but they are consistent. The same driver who pulled a 13.2 in an m3 is the same guy who pulled a 13.5 in a mach 1 (these are example figures). Considering that these times are pulled in by the same drivers gives it the argument good head-to-head validity, for comparisons, but for actual times, they can be wrong. Either way, it doesn't actually matter. What matters in the end is who killed who :alright

Group hug? :D I think rags have their value for consistency's sake once in a while, depending on the cars involved, but as far as taking the rags' times as gospel, I'm a bit skeptical cuz they have never measured up to what I have been able to make happen first hand... :dunno

quit bragging, jerk ;)

whywhywhywhy don't my posts appear????

Not sure, it says you deleted it.... we had a lot of double/triple posting last night, as we prepare for server maintenance this weekend with the board...

I wasn't bragging about my dragging... :D