http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/u1/perrin1.jpg

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My friend Jeff recently divested himself of his 03 350Z for a black 04 SRT-4. On our way back to my house from the Boston BMWCCA Concours event, we had a chance to run over a stretch of about 20 miles, where we could find no conclusive evidence of either car being faster. When we would go WOT, no matter what speed, we would hang in exactly the same spot as when we first dropped it. At one point we went from 60 mph to well over 130 mph, and neither of us had budged on the other. I had hoped that the M3 might be more potent up high, but the Dodge was every bit a match for the car in acceleration with just a Perrin intake and a whopping 550 miles on the odometer.

To be honest, I am satisfied. I knew the 04 was a monster, and I wasn't even assured of doing as well as I did. The few times when Jeff would blast off without me following suit, it just looked like the car took off with a nasty, raspy exhaust howl. Knowing that my M3 was similarly potent made me proud in a uselessly narcissistic way. At one point an Integra GSR tried to step up, but we left him quickly, never to be seen again.

Next time we go, I will be toast. He is installing an AGP wastegate this week, so the party is over. And, from what I know of his upgrade plans, it is just going to get worse from here. :help

those srts are surprisingly quick... bring him to the twisties and show him whos the boss :D

Damn those things...

You have some decent mods right?

Damn those things...

You have some decent mods right?

225 whp / 230 tq and a 3.46 final drive. My car is a decent clip faster than a stock E36 M3.

nice runs, my only experience with an SRT-4 was not a good one. We ran on the highway and he left me a good 3-4 cars back and still pulling. His passenger was videotaping too :jedicryin

i talked to a guy the next day that apparently knew the guy in the SRT-4. He said it was a 2003 putting down close to 300HP to the wheels....yikes!

Nice run. Those SRT-4's are no joke.

hmm, maybe Ill send the e30 (seen in the first photo) to TCD and have them put the stage 2 turbo kit in... 350+whp :D

hmm, maybe Ill send the e30 (seen in the first photo) to TCD and have them put the stage 2 turbo kit in... 350+whp :D

http://d21c.com/ujim4/bumper-gifs/bullshit.jpg

We'll see :P

Nice run. Those SRT-4's are no joke.

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time for some more mods CMT... or upgrade to an S54 powered car :buttrock

time for some more mods CMT... or upgrade to an S54 powered car :buttrock

Can't look at the S54 itself though :eek:

CMT, first of all gorgeous car, one of my favorite estorils. Also, nice race, I raced an SRT-4, I'm assuming it was pre-04 and he pulled about two lengths from 60-130mph, although I did have myself and three passengers after just having filled up. How do you like the 3.46? What made you go with that instead of the seemingly more popular 3.38? What is the top speed with it? I saw your video and the needle just moves so quickly. Last question, where do you buy diffs?

Can't look at the S54 itself though :eek:
:buttrock

Yup it twas fun and the funny thing is Im just remembering how to drive a stick all over again...

Chapel, 350+, my fucking hairy, loose, ass. You know who the king is, dont step on his toes. I have some expirence with a turbo20 and it is SLOW, running correctly, 8 psi on a built motor and SLOW, you have no chance. NONE, in that car or in life, generally speaking.

Chapel, 350+, my fucking hairy, loose, ass. You know who the king is, dont step on his toes. I have some expirence with a turbo20 and it is SLOW, running correctly, 8 psi on a built motor and SLOW, you have no chance. NONE, in that car or in life, generally speaking. :lol: I smell ban.

Chapel, 350+, my fucking hairy, loose, ass. You know who the king is, dont step on his toes. I have some expirence with a turbo20 and it is SLOW, running correctly, 8 psi on a built motor and SLOW, you have no chance. NONE, in that car or in life, generally speaking.

TCD's kit runs something like 16 PSI on the stock engine for his Stage 2 Turbo and the M20 swallows it all down. You do not need to build an M20 to turbo it, you need to build the pansy BMW motors like almost every single one introduced after 1992... I can't think of a single engine from BMW put into a US car after 1992 that can take boost in stock form as well as an M20 or M30 can. Or even an M10...

I'm almosted tempted to buy an SRT-4 but then I remember it handles like poop compared to a BMW.... Still, so tempting. Nice car!

Damn my girl wants an SRT-4. I read an article that had a kit for the SRT-4 that would make it run mid to high 12's. the kit was just under $2,400. Thats damn good for a 4-banger. Im sure with some extra cash you can make those things handle well. But you still wont look "pimp" in the dodge like you would in a bimmer. I'd rather drive a 14 sec. bimmer around town to pick up chicks, than a 12 sec. dodge neon. Cause all girls know is neon and BMW. LOL. If you know what I mean. LOL!

Nice run! They have some serious punch, but it's nice to know that our well worn M3s can still hold there own!!

Damn my girl wants an SRT-4. I read an article that had a kit for the SRT-4 that would make it run mid to high 12's. the kit was just under $2,400. Thats damn good for a 4-banger. Im sure with some extra cash you can make those things handle well. But you still wont look "pimp" in the dodge like you would in a bimmer. I'd rather drive a 14 sec. bimmer around town to pick up chicks, than a 12 sec. dodge neon. Cause all girls know is neon and BMW. LOL. If you know what I mean. LOL!

Not trying to cause trouble but...
Most chicks can't tell whether you are driving an srt4 or a bimmer just cause they don't care (unless they are stripper chicks - in which case, they can tell :)).
But really...
How fast are these srt4's???

I'm curious how my Turbo VR6 would do against an SRT 4. I would hope I'd win (vr6 turbo vs inline4 turbo) but who knows....

All this talk about an srt 4 being so fast...are they really e46 m3 fast or e36 m3 fast? Cause that gives me an idea...I'm not so much into bimmers (knowing what's fast or slow).
Later,

Lets just say that I didnt even shift into 4th most of the time....these things rock and dont front on the hanlding either, drive one first and then give your opinion. And its only a Neon until you get stomped on...then its and Srt4 .

"Car and Driver: 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, top speed 153 mph

Sport Compact Car: 5.8 seconds, quarter mile 14.2 seconds"

"The Neon SRT-4 has a Mitsubishi TD04 Turbocharger that boosts anywhere from 11 to 14 psi
The SRT-4 weighs a mere 2880 pounds, so its power to weight ratio is one reason for its speed [we note that the base Neon is considerably lighter]
The SRT-4 is faster to reach 60 mph and the 1/4 mile than many acclaimed sports cars that cost much more, including the Porsche Boxster S, Beetle Turbo S, Matrix MRS, and the new, hyped-up Nissan 350Z."

google: 2004 neon srt-4 1/4

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (R&T maybe Motortrend or C&D) that testers thought the srt-4 was one of the best handling production FWD cars anywhere.

The SRT-4 is faster to reach 60 mph and the 1/4 mile than many acclaimed sports cars that cost much more, including the Porsche Boxster S, Beetle Turbo S, Matrix MRS, and the new, hyped-up Nissan 350Z.

:lol: Bwahahahaha I'm sorry, that just struck me as funny that they called a turbo Beetle and a Matrix sports cars. And I believe Car and Driver got a 0-60 of 5.3 seconds and a 1/4 mile of 13.9@102 or 103 for an 04 SRT-4.

To set the record straight. We are currently running 20psi in the 535i with absolutely zero engine mods! 16,000 miles at 15+ psi. I am changing the clutch tomorrow and then we'll get some dyno numbers.

The 325i has yet to see more than 15psi. The Walbro fuel pump recently crapped out. I'll be installing a new one this week and will dyno it also. I expect 300rwhp but not 350.

Todd

Nice!! Hey chris where did you get the Decals on your fender and hood? do you have a link to the place that sells them?

Thanks

-LWRNCE

ah, sorry, I must have misheard you. I thought you said around 350rwhp when I spoke to you Saturday, maybe you were talking about one of the M30 powered cars then.
still, 300rwhp is enough to smoke 225/50/15s from a 55mph roll on.
I can't wait to see what you guys get out of that e30... Im already saving up :)
oh, and dont worry about 'lose2abmw'... he's my "friend" and he's just bustin balls.

Lets just say that I didnt even shift into 4th most of the time....these things rock and dont front on the hanlding either, drive one first and then give your opinion. And its only a Neon until you get stomped on...then its and Srt4 .


hey , waz your name on srtforums.com? if you are on that silly site :D

Country Music Television, bro, no, I dont think so. Just cause that shit aint that slow doesn't mean it sports dem ho's. You come over here try to steer us clear but we know that shit still for crackers who drink too much beer. I can't stress enough, its this stuff, I feel makes the scene look all ruff but end the end M Power be the only one with enough TUFF.

And I am out. Just wanted to spit some shout.

time for some more mods CMT... or upgrade to an S54 powered car :buttrock

You know, the weird thing is that I am happy with the car's current state. I have come to terms with the fact that it isn't some pavement scorcher despite being a bit more than "decently spirited." Also, seeing as I will probably have 100,000 miles by the end of this month...it is tough to envision more modifications when I know the $$$ should be retained for the necessary upcoming maintenence bills. When the time comes for me to have my world-beater, I don't think it is going to be a BMW. Time will tell. :)

CMT, first of all gorgeous car, one of my favorite estorils. Also, nice race, I raced an SRT-4, I'm assuming it was pre-04 and he pulled about two lengths from 60-130mph, although I did have myself and three passengers after just having filled up. How do you like the 3.46? What made you go with that instead of the seemingly more popular 3.38? What is the top speed with it? I saw your video and the needle just moves so quickly. Last question, where do you buy diffs?

Don't be too fooled by that video - It was wet out, and I was having some traction issues, but once the car is in gear and not slipping it gives a decent idea of the RPM twist to redline. I went with the 3.46 because I was paying top dollar for a custom-manufacturer gear with 40% lockup and would not have been happy with an OEM BMW 3.38 with the stock 25% lockup. I appreciate the added dig I get from the increased lockup when traction proves an issue, and the acceleration advantage is simply greater with the 3.46. I was actually thinking of going for a 3.64 before I was repeatedly warned off the gear for being too short!

For me, the 3.46 is perfect. I sit at 3800 RPM in 5th gear at 80 mph, 1st gear is still usable (it just rips right to redline), and my top speed is an indicated 147 mph. WHile this is about 10 mph less than the fastest I have taken the car, I do not miss the high end at all. That was a habit I quit a while ago. :D

Also, were I to buy a differential right now, I wouldn't consider buying anywhere else but from Diffsonline (http://www.diffsonline.com).

Chapel, 350+, my fucking hairy, loose, ass. You know who the king is, dont step on his toes. I have some expirence with a turbo20 and it is SLOW, running correctly, 8 psi on a built motor and SLOW, you have no chance. NONE, in that car or in life, generally speaking.

Your car was looking pretty sweet today, Peter. :D

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/trashed/s1.jpg


http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/trashed/s2.jpg


http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/trashed/s3.jpg


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http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/trashed/s5.jpg


http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/trashed/s6.jpg


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I have to give you credit, most people would have given up after it was rolled at the track, but not you. It makes me laugh to think of what is in store for one of the nastiest E30s ever to rip a 13.0 ET at Epping. :D

You have your work cut out for you, and I applaud your dedication.

Lets just say that I didnt even shift into 4th most of the time....these things rock and dont front on the handling either, drive one first and then give your opinion. And its only a Neon until you get stomped on...then its an Srt4 .

It scares me that you stayed mainly in 3rd while I had to row through 3 and 4, but such is the nature of my differential. Although I did you see upshift a few times, when we got really, really naughty and started to get up there in the triple digits where I was approaching redline in 5th. Such a fun run. I look forward to getting housed in the near future.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (R&T maybe Motortrend or C&D) that testers thought the srt-4 was one of the best handling production FWD cars anywhere.

I have been in another friend's 04 that was being spiritedly driven through some severe turns, and I was impressed. WHile it took me a second to adjust to the feeling of being pulled through the apex, I was left with a whole new respect for the SRT-4's overall competence. Certain FWD cars are not hampered by their drivetrain, ie. the old Integra Type R, and the SRT-4 is one of them. The car really does rock.

To set the record straight. We are currently running 20psi in the 535i with absolutely zero engine mods! 16,000 miles at 15+ psi. I am changing the clutch tomorrow and then we'll get some dyno numbers.

The 325i has yet to see more than 15psi. The Walbro fuel pump recently crapped out. I'll be installing a new one this week and will dyno it also. I expect 300rwhp but not 350.

Todd

Todd,

Forgive the misinformation due to Jared's enthusiasm. You guys are all he talked about at dinner after the BMW Concours this Saturday, and he is 100% onboard as a supporter. To tell you the truth, after meeting you, and seeing what you had going on under the hood....man, I admit it. I am a big fan as well!

A few pics, and I will link the rest:

http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05076.JPG

http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05077.JPG

http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05079.JPG

You guys rock the f***king casbah.
http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05080.JPG
http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05082.JPG
http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05083.JPG
http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05085.JPG
http://www.ziplink.net/~jnocerin/cmt/concours/photos/DSC05087.JPG


Nice!! Hey chris where did you get the Decals on your fender and hood? do you have a link to the place that sells them?

Thanks

-LWRNCE


A friend of mine had them custom made for the E36. It changes color dependent on the lighting, and is pretty trick on the right color. I don't think he is on BF.C, but he goes by Sweet///Motion on DTM. Send me a PM if you are interested, I have better pics of it, and while it looks best IMHO on black cars it would go very well on a few other colors as well.

hey , waz your name on srtforums.com? if you are on that silly site :D

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61997&highlight=cmt

Country Music Television, bro, no, I dont think so. Just cause that shit aint that slow doesn't mean it sports dem ho's. You come over here try to steer us clear but we know that shit still for crackers who drink too much beer. I can't stress enough, its this stuff, I feel makes the scene look all ruff but end the end M Power be the only one with enough TUFF.

And I am out. Just wanted to spit some shout.

How the hell did I miss this post?

:buttrock

Too funny, Chris.

its too sneaky to pass up...
no outward signs of turbocharging, a diverter valve system so no tell tale BOV sound, Wastegate plumbed into the downpipe (but I would consider having it vented atmospherically behind the front passenger tire :D), water-air intercooler tucked nicely to where the AFM USED to be...
Its tight. Very tight. I just need to straighten out some aesthetics first so I can be happy with the way my car looks.

I have to give you credit, most people would have given up after it was rolled at the track, but not you. It makes me laugh to think of what is in store for one of the nastiest E30s ever to rip a 13.0 ET at Epping. :D

You have your work cut out for you, and I applaud your dedication.


Cant say I didn't offer him $4k to toss the engine in my car though... (I did... he wanted my firstborn though. :devillook )
Now I gotta go to TCD and have them turbo my car... maybe... :D :confused: :devillook :evil2

(I did... he wanted my firstborn though. :devillook )


That's out of control. Your healthy baby could fetch upwards of a few hundred thousands on the black market! He was trying to screw you!

Am I the only one that still thinks neons suck? Am I missing something here?

A car is about more than performance, more than just numbers...


SRT-4 = Turbo-Tin-Can

It's so fast because they dropped a bunch of hardware into a flimsy little car...oh boy! Plus, it's a DODGE! HAHAHA
Ever seen one of those wrecked?
Scary, considering a car that accelerates so fast has such poor safety.

To each their own, I suppose.

Erin was trying to get more out of it actually.
Petey tried to convince her it'd be easier than abortion... she wouldn't bite on the terms of agreement though.

Am I the only one that still thinks neons suck? Am I missing something here?

A car is about more than performance, more than just numbers...


SRT-4 = Turbo-Tin-Can

It's so fast because they dropped a bunch of hardware into a flimsy little car...oh boy! Plus, it's a DODGE! HAHAHA
Ever seen one of those wrecked?
Scary, considering a car that accelerates so fast has such poor safety.

To each their own, I suppose.

Yes, apparently you are more interested in a badge and some plush interior and safety measures.

I, as a performance enthusiast, only care about 3 things.
1) Going fast
2) Turning quick
3) Stopping faster.

The SRT-4 meets all those criteria. I look past the badge and the 'fact that its just a neon'

If I had my choice of cars for under $25k in America to dominate on the track, strip, and street... thats my choice.

and for that matter, the NHTSA rated the 2004 Neon 4stars in a frontal crash, 3stars in a side crash and 4stars for rollover resistance
a 2004 BMW 3er is 4.5 stars in a front crash, 3stars to the front seats in a side crash (with 'High Likelyhood of Pelvic Injury') and 5stars for rear seats in a side crash.

Feel free to investigate for yoself: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars.cfm

Yes, apparently you are more interested in a badge and some plush interior and safety measures.

I, as a performance enthusiast, only care about 3 things.
1) Going fast
2) Turning quick
3) Stopping faster.

The SRT-4 meets all those criteria. I look past the badge and the 'fact that its just a neon'

If I had my choice of cars for under $25k in America to dominate on the track, strip, and street... thats my choice.

and for that matter, the NHTSA rated the 2004 Neon 4stars in a frontal crash, 3stars in a side crash and 4stars for rollover resistance
a 2004 BMW 3er is 4.5 stars in a front crash, 3stars to the front seats in a side crash (with 'High Likelyhood of Pelvic Injury') and 5stars for rear seats in a side crash.

Feel free to investigate for yoself: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars.cfm


I never mentioned any other cars...so quick to assume I'm a BMW snob.

For $25k, you could buy a Honda and make it even faster. I used to have a CRX ( for $5k), which ran high 14's with only breathing mods. Drop a turbo and all the trimmings in there, it would've pulled 11's easy...not to mention out handle most cars on the road $50k and under.
I've seen a CRX pull high 8's.
But oh wait, that's a 'rice' car isn't it??? Are you willing to look past the badge on that?

Don't give me your enthusiast b.s. An enthusiast would build a real car, not buy a cookie cutter dodge.

Easy gents.... :cop:

Don't be too fooled by that video - It was wet out, and I was having some traction issues, but once the car is in gear and not slipping it gives a decent idea of the RPM twist to redline. I went with the 3.46 because I was paying top dollar for a custom-manufacturer gear with 40% lockup and would not have been happy with an OEM BMW 3.38 with the stock 25% lockup. I appreciate the added dig I get from the increased lockup when traction proves an issue, and the acceleration advantage is simply greater with the 3.46. I was actually thinking of going for a 3.64 before I was repeatedly warned off the gear for being too short!

For me, the 3.46 is perfect. I sit at 3800 RPM in 5th gear at 80 mph, 1st gear is still usable (it just rips right to redline), and my top speed is an indicated 147 mph. WHile this is about 10 mph less than the fastest I have taken the car, I do not miss the high end at all. That was a habit I quit a while ago. :D

Also, were I to buy a differential right now, I wouldn't consider buying anywhere else but from Diffsonline (http://www.diffsonline.com).

Thanks for the info, $1400 is a lot of money though. I think I could settle with a 3.38 OEM diff. :devillook

Its still a Neon at the end of the day .....

"divested", "no conclusive evidence", "potent", "narcissistic"

Very well written, A+

Don't give me your enthusiast b.s. An enthusiast would build a real car, not buy a cookie cutter dodge.

why not start with a good base then?
I like hondas. I wouldnt own one because I dont like FWD.
My dream car is a Cosworth YBT Powered Mk1 Ford Escort RS1600 or RS2000
350whp, RWD, 5 speed Sierra box, 1600lbs.
If I could, Id buy a Hillman Imp and put a 959cc Fireblade engine into it. 1200lbs, 165whp, Rear engine.

Or how about we just build a Shelby Omni GLH-S with the turbo 2.2L, that'll be faster than an SRT-4. But, thats just an Omni.

To some people 'Civics suck' just as much as 'Neons suck' as you so eloquently put it.

Different strokes for different folks.

the SRT-4 is a great base to start off with. It's only limited by its traction. Just as much as a Turbo B18C powered CRX. Both can only fit about 205s and MAYBE 225s with some work in the front and they will both get massive wheel hop.

I didn't assume you were a BMW snob. I just used a new BMW 3er to show that the Neon's "crashworthyness" is not as bad as you stated that its got 'such poor safety'

A Turbo CRX is even less than a Turbo Tin Can... its a piece of scrap metal compared to what the SRT-4 offers.

I could name a thousand cars that would outrun an SRT-4 or a Turbo CRX for less money... If I turbo my E30 325iS I'd most definately hassle some E46 M3s. Total investment: $3000 for the car and $6000ish for the turbo.

Or if you are interested in running fast time slips, my friend mike can hook you up with a Turbo Rotary powered 1981 Toyota Starlet that runs low 9s for under $4000. See him at New England Dragway every grudge night or import showoff or at least one of his creations. :buttrock

Its still a Neon at the end of the day .....

sounds like bragging rights to me...

What sounds more embarassing:
Neon beats M3
or
M3 beats Neon?

For $25k, you could buy a Honda and make it even faster. I used to have a CRX ( for $5k), which ran high 14's with only breathing mods. Drop a turbo and all the trimmings in there, it would've pulled 11's easy...not to mention out handle most cars on the road $50k and under.


I bet that Honda will come with full warranty and a turbo/intercooler set up stock, right? Didn't think so. The fact is that he SRT-4 is a brand new, 20K car that is capable of 13's stock. The biggest import ricer argument is "I can take x car and spend y amount of money on it and it will perform better than so-and-so new car." That is why it is impractical to compare new cars to cheap used cars. It will always be cheaper to buy an older used car and spend money to make it faster than to start with a new car. Find another new car for 20K that has the performance potential of the SRT-4. You won't. By the way a 5.0 mustang will go a lot faster for far less than some stripped down civic hatch.

But oh wait, that's a 'rice' car isn't it???

Yes.

Here we go starting to sound like this other board we know about :devillook "I get more ***** than I would if I drove a Neon" :rolleyes: "At the end of the day..." :rolleyes:


Nice writeup Chris, what's the reason behind the trade-in of the Z? That thing had some potential (Greddy :devillook ) :D He didn't have any problems with the tranny did he?

Very well written, A+

Thanks! And since we are critiquing, your quote should have read:

"divested," "no conclusive evidence," "potent," "narcissistic."

:D

[/Strunk and White]

flimsy little car...oh boy!
Ever seen one of those wrecked?
Scary, considering a car that accelerates so fast has such poor safety.


the NHTSA rated the 2004 Neon 4stars in a frontal crash, 3stars in a side crash and 4stars for rollover resistance
a 2004 BMW 3er is 4.5 stars in a front crash, 3stars to the front seats in a side crash (with 'High Likelyhood of Pelvic Injury') and 5stars for rear seats in a side crash.

Feel free to investigate for yoself: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars.cfm

404 - Poor safety not found. :lol:

That's it. Tomorrow I am going to go drive a STI, EVO and SRT-4. All the talk about these cars and I have not been in any of them. Time for some TCD comparison testing.
Todd

Nice writeup Chris, what's the reason behind the trade-in of the Z? That thing had some potential (Greddy :devillook ) :D He didn't have any problems with the tranny did he?

No problems with the Z - I believe it was due to an impending move to a new place that would be demanding more of a financial commitment, so the much more expensive Z had to go.

The SRT-4 is not just a Neon. Whether you like it or not.

Just like an M3 is not just an E36.

and you're not just a Canadian :D

why not start with a good base then?
I like hondas. I wouldnt own one because I dont like FWD.
My dream car is a Cosworth YBT Powered Mk1 Ford Escort RS1600 or RS2000
350whp, RWD, 5 speed Sierra box, 1600lbs.
If I could, Id buy a Hillman Imp and put a 959cc Fireblade engine into it. 1200lbs, 165whp, Rear engine.

Or how about we just build a Shelby Omni GLH-S with the turbo 2.2L, that'll be faster than an SRT-4. But, thats just an Omni.

To some people 'Civics suck' just as much as 'Neons suck' as you so eloquently put it.

Different strokes for different folks.

the SRT-4 is a great base to start off with. It's only limited by its traction. Just as much as a Turbo B18C powered CRX. Both can only fit about 205s and MAYBE 225s with some work in the front and they will both get massive wheel hop.

I didn't assume you were a BMW snob. I just used a new BMW 3er to show that the Neon's "crashworthyness" is not as bad as you stated that its got 'such poor safety'

A Turbo CRX is even less than a Turbo Tin Can... its a piece of scrap metal compared to what the SRT-4 offers.

I could name a thousand cars that would outrun an SRT-4 or a Turbo CRX for less money... If I turbo my E30 325iS I'd most definately hassle some E46 M3s. Total investment: $3000 for the car and $6000ish for the turbo.

Or if you are interested in running fast time slips, my friend mike can hook you up with a Turbo Rotary powered 1981 Toyota Starlet that runs low 9s for under $4000. See him at New England Dragway every grudge night or import showoff or at least one of his creations. :buttrock

You got me on the safety...research wise, but I've seen some neons that didn't fare too well in real life accidents (my family is in the insurance industry)
Other than that, backtrack to my original post in this thread:

To each their own, I suppose


I want more than performance in my car, that's why I drive what I do. If I want to race, I borrow the Z (which so many of the M's on here have lost to), or I'd start with something I could build to my specs, that isn't a neon.

If I wanted a car to go fast in a straight line, I sure as hell wouldn't start with a neon. Dodge's best vehicle (Viper) is still shit in terms of engineering.
'69 Camaro will do wheelies with that much money into it. F****** DODGE NEON :lol:

btw, nothing personal...just can't stand those ridiculous cars, and what they've become....it's a shame.

and you're not just a Canadian :D


Actually, a Canadian is a Canadian whether he likes it or not.




:lol:

Edit: Why does this car cuase so much trouble on this forum? Is it the inexpensive performance? Or is it because the car is based on the lowly Neon? It's cool that people like the car, and that people DONT like the car, but I just don't see why some people have to come out and bash it for.. no reason that they can come up with that even makes any sense.. I mean, hell, Hugo has said it The SRT-4 is not just a Neon. Whether you like it or not.

Just like an M3 is not just an E36.
I remember a short while ago when Hugo would have DIED before he said that.. and now, here's a guy talking about running with a BRAND NEW, 550 miles on the odometer, intake only 2004 SRT-4. And it was just as fast as his broken in M3 with different gearing. What else could you ask for? A stock, warranty covered rocket. It might not look as nice as an M3, but hey, my insurance is $75/month and I'll have the car paid off at the end of next year. :buttrock

what the hell do you call an M3?

Any M3 in particular? Because "The winningest touring car in history" comes to mind. :dunno

Edit: Why does this car cuase so much trouble on this forum?


Immaturity. Plain and simple.

But without contention, there would be no entertainment.

Any M3 in particular? Because "The winningest touring car in history" comes to mind. :dunno
Yeah, I worded that weird. I know that, I LOVE the M3, in fact, I'm trying to find one for my Daily Driver so I can mod the hell out of my SRT.

I was trying to compare the SRT to the Neon, and the M3 to the 3 series. But.. I failed miserably, so I changed the whole post hoping that I could beat you post whores ;)

I changed the whole post hoping that I could beat you post whores ;)

Plus I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.


No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

http://www.montypythonpages.com/pictures/spanish_inq.jpg

:D

:lol:

L3it3r - I think you answered your question in the first paragraph of your first post.:) I think Chris explained it too :D

Immaturity. Plain and simple.

But without contention, there would be no entertainment.


Immaturuty or insecurity? Do I have a point or what?

Immaturuty or insecurity? Do I have a point or what?

The man has a point!!!! :D

Just a boy but thanks for the complement.

Immaturuty or insecurity? Do I have a point or what?
Yeah, but the one on the top of your head doesn't count... :D

buh-dum-bump, < cymbal crash > ;)

I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip your waitresses... :wave:

:laugh I slay me! :freak

God damn moderators going South on OT is completely unacceptable.

:D Smile... life goes better that way... ;)

Hey I'm here too, double-teamin' the crap outta ya!

I have a lot of respect for the Dodge, but there are some things about it that I can't get past. Namely the power windows in front, and the manual windows in the back (has that changed in the '04?). That's not something a manufacturer does to save weight, it's something they do to save five bucks. If they'll skimp on something that obvious and tacky, I would be concerned about the stuff that I don't see.

That said, there's no better buy for performance and potential. I look at it as a very good thing - it can only help other manufacturers step up to the plate and start putting some torque in their small cars.

The SRT-4 is not just a Neon. Whether you like it or not.

Just like an M3 is not just an E36.

eh? SRT-4 IS a Neon... and m3s Are e36s... they are just modified. doesnt mean they are not Neons and E36s anymore? :confused:

I have a lot of respect for the Dodge, but there are some things about it that I can't get past. Namely the power windows in front, and the manual windows in the back (has that changed in the '04?). That's not something a manufacturer does to save weight, it's something they do to save five bucks. If they'll skimp on something that obvious and tacky, I would be concerned about the stuff that I don't see.



they kept the costs down.. no one will deny that!! LOl.. it IS a cheap car..

..


you need to die already... with my car, i will take you on any track and smoke the shit out of you :redspot

you need to die already... with my car, i will take you on any track and smoke the shit out of you :redspot

Way too harsh man. You can't expect everyone to be a convert. At least not immediately. :dunno


That said, there's no better buy for performance and potential.

Certainly not at its price point.

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:D

i dont want anyone to "convert"

shit, it is a NEON POS.. im not gonna deny.. i just dont want to hear ANYTIHNG from some dork who drives a 325, about performance!!!

i dont want anyone to "convert"

shit, it is a NEON POS.. im not gonna deny.. i just dont want to hear ANYTIHNG from some dork who drives a 325, about performance!!!

Fine then. Sink to his level of aggro douchery if you like. I guess I don't blame you, though, as I also fervently defend my car against baseless, inane, would-be attackers who spout uninformed, mindless nonsense.

But I still think you could have brought some comedy a' la

http://www.ziplink.net/~ctroiane/pics/dieinfire.jpg

:lol: :lol: Too funny!
-Ted (who would drive an SRT4 in a heartbeat)

:lol: :lol: Too funny!
-Ted (who would drive an SRT4 in a heartbeat)


Keeping this thread lighthearted is proving to be impossible. :(

Not trying to cause trouble but...
Most chicks can't tell whether you are driving an srt4 or a bimmer just cause they don't care (unless they are stripper chicks - in which case, they can tell :)).
But really...
How fast are these srt4's???

I'm curious how my Turbo VR6 would do against an SRT 4. I would hope I'd win (vr6 turbo vs inline4 turbo) but who knows....

All this talk about an srt 4 being so fast...are they really e46 m3 fast or e36 m3 fast? Cause that gives me an idea...I'm not so much into bimmers (knowing what's fast or slow).
Later,

Nater, have no worries, a turbo vr6 on 15psi tuned correctly , an srt should be no match at any level or stage kit , put it this way , my brothers 91 gti with 2.0 8v x-flow motor turbo , built motor running 18psi made 283whp , 320trq to the wheels , sti, evo , or srt4 has no match against him , total cost of his car to build including body work was roughly 10k. with your vr turbo i would have no worries, yet again on Honda-tech i watched an srt4 running 18psi walk a turbo vr running only 7psi. its all about tuning , turbo vr6's are insane , a guy at the performance shop built one on 10psi making 295whp and 280trq. run one or any one of these new cars , i wanna see the outcome

you need to die already... with my car, i will take you on any track and smoke the shit out of you :redspot
That's a solid way to get banned from here... personal attacks, excessive profanity in the Main Forums... Offical Warning, read the threads at the top of this form about Respect and Etiquette, or don't come back.

And with that, this one is done...

Sorry, Chris, you tried to save it....