he has been talking trash so yesterday we ended up at a light, i have an auto with an ecis intake which is the only engine mod, he has a cool air intake, so we took off went to like 70 and he beat me by half a car length, then we meet another red light, i put the car in 3 and left traction on the whole time, i guess he got a good launch and beat me by a little over i car lenth, my question is what is the best way to race an auto? just keep it in drive with no traction? use the M mode so go from 1-d with traction off? or just put the gear in 3 with no traction?
thanks

race him in the m3.

If you have an auto E36 you can't beat the Type S. You need at least a stick 328 to edge him out. A M3 would be the beat bet.

yeah i know the m3 would kill him but that is my dads car, its weird he drives my dream car e36 m3 manual once a week and i drive my auto 328i everyday it reminds me of my moms car, but i wish i could beat an rsx type-s with both cars, do what do u guys use to race with an automatic? M mode, 3rd gear, or just drive?

I can't help you on the auto racing, but good keeping up nonetheless. Send him my way. :devillook

I killed my friends A-spec. He got the launch but then I caught up and finally walked away.

Umm yeah I think your best bet is the M but if you are racing your automatic race in sport mode which is gear selector 3. Putting it in M and shifting through gears I would guess will do damage to your tranny.

-LWRNCE

.... better hope that he doesn't get Hondata 4! Then it might become an even closer race, even in the M3 (if it is stock).

i guess i will put it in 3, my rpm's usually stay a lot higher at low speeds but i guess that is ok, do you guys usually turn off traction when you are racing?

yeah i know the m3 would kill him but that is my dads car, its weird he drives my dream car e36 m3 manual once a week and i drive my auto 328i everyday it reminds me of my moms car, but i wish i could beat an rsx type-s with both cars, do what do u guys use to race with an automatic? M mode, 3rd gear, or just drive?

hah similar situation here. I drive a 99 e36 M3. My dad has a 2001 Porsche 996 C4 Vert and a 2002 Honda S2000 in the garage, yet he rides his bike to work everyday and hardly ever lets me take the porsche out just for the hell of it..

Your best shot (and you may still lose) at a good launch would be to put it in Drive, turn off traction control, left foot on the brake pedal, right foot on the gas, bring the revs up as high as you can without wheel spin occuring, hold it nice and steady, and when the light goes green release your left foot, and press your right foot down to the floor and keep it there and hope for the best...

PS- Yes, line-locking it (the name for this technique) is bad for your torque convertor... but you asked for the best way to launch it... :evil2:

.... better hope that he doesn't get Hondata 4! Then it might become an even closer race, even in the M3 (if it is stock).

A Hondata #4 reflash and cold air intake on a Type-S with decent tires will land the car WELL into the 14's - like mid to low 14's. I still don't think it'd keep up with an E36 M3, though...would it?

I just leave it in 3rd and ASC off.

I just leave it in 3rd and ASC off.

Thats what i do to. :D

I just leave it in 3rd and ASC off.

thanks, i will try that

Your best shot (and you may still lose) at a good launch would be to put it in Drive, turn off traction control, left foot on the brake pedal, right foot on the gas, bring the revs up as high as you can without wheel spin occuring, hold it nice and steady, and when the light goes green release your left foot, and press your right foot down to the floor and keep it there and hope for the best...

PS- Yes, line-locking it (the name for this technique) is bad for your torque convertor... but you asked for the best way to launch it... :evil2:

Oh, a little break torquing it every now and then won't hurt anything. I would think a neutral drop would be even worse on the tranny. Sounds like a close race.

A Hondata #4 reflash and cold air intake on a Type-S with decent tires will land the car WELL into the 14's - like mid to low 14's. I still don't think it'd keep up with an E36 M3, though...would it?

People have run low 14's to a 14 flat with Hondata 4 and CAI; trapping in the high 90's, upto ~100. The car picks up in the upper rev range and since it's FWD it has a 1/4 mile disadvantage to a RWD, even though it is esentially torqueless.

Do not underestimate them.

Stock RSX-S can run 14.7s all day. RSX with a little more mods can touch low 14s to 14 flat no problem. My best advice is don't race your "friend" until you have a promising edge because until then you are just feeding his ego. Good race nonetheless.

Stock RSX-S can run 14.7s all day.

I don't know about that. The absolute fastest bone stock time I've seen is 14.7. The average seems to be very very high 14's-low 15's.

I've had some experience with this sad pastime of E36 slushdragging. Gotta go with 3 rather than D. It basically locks out overdrive and shifts closer to redline. Then powerbrake (aka line-lock) as hard as you dare, and off you go.

If you're racing for pink slips, you could rev it up in neutral and then drop it into gear. That way you either get a really hot launch or drop your tranny and ruin his prize. ;) :lol: I don't have any kind of traction control, but generally you wanna turn that crap off for racing.

People have run low 14's to a 14 flat with Hondata 4 and CAI; trapping in the high 90's, upto ~100. The car picks up in the upper rev range and since it's FWD it has a 1/4 mile disadvantage to a RWD, even though it is esentially torqueless.

Do not underestimate them.

In case no one noticed, i drive an Acura RSX Type S 2002 model. this is my second one actually.
My mods list, isnt long, but the ones i have are functional.
Ive never lost to a BMW 325, 328, or 330Ci. and these were manual.I had stock tires. Mich MX4xxx SUCK!
to name some of the mods that assist with lower 1/4 times...

starting from engine back. AEM CAI, Titanium Butterfly weight throttle body, with klip cord (expands less with heat, so my throttle response is more predictable), ti springs, and retainers, crankcase bored out to hold more oil, to keep engine cooler, grounding kit, ::ECU reprogrammed::> to handle more airflow, Advanced timing, raised redline to 8500rpm fuel cut, 8400 rpm shift.and new tires Ventus HRII. the STOCK OEM tires suck.

my point, stock, in the 1/4 mile, i can eat 3 series NON M's.
I tried an M3 one night, just to guage my progress, and he had enough power on the interstate to play with me.

my point, stock, in the 1/4 mile, i can eat 3 series NON M's.
I tried an M3 one night, just to guage my progress, and he had enough power on the interstate to play with me.

1/4 mile times???

In case no one noticed, i drive an Acura RSX Type S 2002 model. this is my second one actually.
My mods list, isnt long, but the ones i have are functional.
Ive never lost to a BMW 325, 328, or 330Ci. and these were manual.I had stock tires. Mich MX4xxx SUCK!
to name some of the mods that assist with lower 1/4 times...

starting from engine back. AEM CAI, Titanium Butterfly weight throttle body, with klip cord (expands less with heat, so my throttle response is more predictable), ti springs, and retainers, crankcase bored out to hold more oil, to keep engine cooler, grounding kit, ::ECU reprogrammed::> to handle more airflow, Advanced timing, raised redline to 8500rpm fuel cut, 8400 rpm shift.and new tires Ventus HRII. the STOCK OEM tires suck.

my point, stock, in the 1/4 mile, i can eat 3 series NON M's.
I tried an M3 one night, just to guage my progress, and he had enough power on the interstate to play with me.

You were probably running stock 325, 328, and 330ci. BMW's aren't made for a 1/4 run. Your Type S with the upgrade should and could take the Non M3 with some work. But stock to stock, I "think" your TYPE S running against a Manual 325 328 or a 330 would come down to driver skills.

I give credit when credit is due. Just look, even with all the "upgrade" you still lose to a M3 (which is stock, I guess)

BMW's can run the 1/4 mile just fine with the right driver... ;)

I'm curious what his 1/4 mile times in his RSX-S were...

BMW's can run the 1/4 mile just fine with the right driver... ;)

I'm curious what his 1/4 mile times in his RSX-S were...

during winter- 14.0 and 13.9 seconds 1/4

during summer- 14.0 , 14.1 seconds. 1/4

as for 330ci vs. Type S = was drivers race. i never said i couldnt drive :cool:

one day me and an ///M3 will be wed, then its over!


(prays for lottery)

You were probably running stock 325, 328, and 330ci. BMW's aren't made for a 1/4 run. Your Type S with the upgrade should and could take the Non M3 with some work. But stock to stock, I "think" your TYPE S running against a Manual 325 328 or a 330 would come down to driver skills.

I give credit when credit is due. Just look, even with all the "upgrade" you still lose to a M3 (which is stock, I guess)

stock for stock I agree..upgrades goes to the type-s. If you beat a 3 he didn't know how to drive. If you beat a 3 with all the mods then that is a different story.

I have raced many type-s models and haven't had one scare me yet. I have seen some with mods run low 14's though. A stock type-s will not work a 330 or 328is

stock for stock I agree..upgrades goes to the type-s. If you beat a 3 he didn't know how to drive. If you beat a 3 with all the mods then that is a different story.

I have raced many type-s models and haven't had one scare me yet. I have seen some with mods run low 14's though. A stock type-s will not work a 330 or 328is

When I had my stock Type-S, I had a 325ci stay within a car of me until 7k in 2nd, but I left him rapidly after that.

A stock Type-S doesn't stand a chance against a manual 330, but I've seen video of one with just a CAI easily take a 330 from a roll.

14.0-14.1 is very common with just CAI, Hondata reflash, and decent tires. It's a safe bet that half of the Type-S's out there are very low 14 second cars, but whether they can drive them to a low 14 is another question.

It's a great car. If they drop an engine with some torque in it, I'd buy another one :)

Just use the M3 someday. Why the hell did you buy an automatic BMW?

Just use the M3 someday. Why the hell did you buy an automatic BMW?

:handclap

im with this guy.

In case no one noticed, i drive an Acura RSX Type S 2002 model. this is my second one actually.
My mods list, isnt long, but the ones i have are functional.
Ive never lost to a BMW 325, 328, or 330Ci. and these were manual.I had stock tires. Mich MX4xxx SUCK!
to name some of the mods that assist with lower 1/4 times...

starting from engine back. AEM CAI, Titanium Butterfly weight throttle body, with klip cord (expands less with heat, so my throttle response is more predictable), ti springs, and retainers, crankcase bored out to hold more oil, to keep engine cooler, grounding kit, ::ECU reprogrammed::> to handle more airflow, Advanced timing, raised redline to 8500rpm fuel cut, 8400 rpm shift.and new tires Ventus HRII. the STOCK OEM tires suck.

my point, stock, in the 1/4 mile, i can eat 3 series NON M's.
I tried an M3 one night, just to guage my progress, and he had enough power on the interstate to play with me.

That's a lot of mods, and your results were:



during winter- 14.0 and 13.9 seconds 1/4

during summer- 14.0 , 14.1 seconds. 1/4



Now above you say you can eat non-M 3 series if the 3 series is stock.

In summer time, just a few weeks ago in fact, I ran my brand new 330i with absolutely no mods whatsoever, with only 1200 miles on it, to a 14.0 at 97.5 mph.

I don't call that "eating" anything... I call that "running with"...

:D

Just use the M3 someday. Why the hell did you buy an automatic BMW?

What I don't understand, is why BMW even made an automatic... :confused:

drive[/I] them to a low 14 is another question.

It's a great car. If they drop an engine with some torque in it, I'd buy another one :)

well i know pretty much the best thing u can do is that ecu mod and my friend had that and intake/exhaust and wanted to hit low 14s and struggled to keep w/ me when we raced...so its partly driver...partly they have no torque so highway isn't their place to race

well i know pretty much the best thing u can do is that ecu mod and my friend had that and intake/exhaust and wanted to hit low 14s and struggled to keep w/ me when we raced...so its partly driver...partly they have no torque so highway isn't their place to race

It's all driver when it comes to the RSX. They actually do very well on the highway compared to just about any other small displacement cars, pulling hard all the way through 4th. Cars with bigger motors and different gearing just do better in that department. Launching them is tough, though, especially with the stock tires. Some people never get used to it.

What I don't understand, is why BMW even made an automatic... :confused:
So that they could sell to people here. Thank god they all come standard in manuals though... in Europe an automatic BMW is considered perverse.

if i remember correctly, a rsx type-s and a bmw e36 328 run the same quarter mile 15.4 according to road and track, i got an old issue to get the e36 quartermile time and just grabbed any current one to get the rsx type-s quarter mile, the rsx-s has a freakin 8000RPM readline which helps

if i remember correctly, a rsx type-s and a bmw e36 328 run the same quarter mile 15.4 according to road and track, i got an old issue to get the e36 quartermile time and just grabbed any current one to get the rsx type-s quarter mile, the rsx-s has a freakin 8000RPM readline which helps

Different magazines get different times out of it - 15.4 is by someone who didn't practice. The absolute fastest, freak-of-nature stock time I've heard of is 14.7, but more common is about 14.9-15.0.

Different magazines get different times out of it - 15.4 is by someone who didn't practice. The absolute fastest, freak-of-nature stock time I've heard of is 14.7, but more common is about 14.9-15.0.

yeah thats what i was thinking, when it comes down to it, its all the driver