I order replica GT wing from Dan @ UUC on Wednesday and is here already, that what I call service.
Thanks to Dan.:clap:

no doubt. UUC is the bomb diggitty!:buttrock

Wow, that is just great news. Thanks for letting us know. Thanks for sharing. Don't you just want to give them a big hug or "toss their salads"? How nice is that? Isn't that just wonderful? Peachy. Stupendous. Awesome, dude. I'm just flabergasted, aren't you? Congratulations. Kudos to UUC. Hats off to UUC. All hail UUC. May all praise be to UUC. UUC forever. UUC rocks. U-U-C, U-U-C, U-U-C . . .
I am so overwhelmed with joy for you and UUC that I just don't know what else to say. Makes me want to run out to my car and stick that free faux alu plastic UUC badge on the back of my car! In fact, that's just what I'm gonna do. See-ya!

UUC is the fugging teets!!!!!!!:boobies

I'm going to change the name of this thread if you're all not careful!!!:nono :nono :nono

:awink: :awink: :awink: :redspot :D

TechnoViolent,

Maybe I'm missing something about the way you're acting! I don't see the need for your post. The post has negative connotations that is not contributory to the community...

Let's not have this continue... It's not appreciated.

Bob ///M3




Originally posted by TechnoViolent
Wow, that is just great news. Thanks for letting us know. Thanks for sharing. Don't you just want to give them a big hug or "toss their salads"? How nice is that? Isn't that just wonderful? Peachy. Stupendous. Awesome, dude. I'm just flabergasted, aren't you? Congratulations. Kudos to UUC. Hats off to UUC. All hail UUC. May all praise be to UUC. UUC forever. UUC rocks. U-U-C, U-U-C, U-U-C . . .
I am so overwhelmed with joy for you and UUC that I just don't know what else to say. Makes me want to run out to my car and stick that free faux alu plastic UUC badge on the back of my car! In fact, that's just what I'm gonna do. See-ya!

UUC is the fugging teets!!!!!!!:boobies

Originally posted by Bob ///M3
TechnoViolent,

Maybe I'm missing something about the way you're acting! I don't see the need for your post. The post has negative connotations that is not contributory to the community...

Let's not have this continue... It's not appreciated.

Bob ///M3


Retaliatory to the other post the UUC sucks post? Or maybe he really changed his mind?

Phew. Just got back from UUC-badging my ride.

Not contributory? What? I am overjoyed and filled with love for the BMW universe as a result of this man's incredible positive UUC experience. It has transformed me. I have cought the UUC holy ghost. I have been saved. So much joy - I just can't keep it inside . . . its just oozing out of every pore of my being.

I must now go to the UUC site and pay homage by purchasing some trinkets and give thanks to all mighty UUC. Bye-bye.

obviously there are some sarcasm in technoviolent posts but he has the right to speak his mind. whether speaking his mind will lose him the privilege to post on this site or not, I don't know. it's up to the moderator to make the rules, and the moderator needs to be fair also. he didn't personally attack anybody.he just voiced his opinions about a product that he personally owns, not just hearsay. no products are perfect. some products are wonderful, so if there are posts that praise the "wondefulness" of some products, there must be some posts that say otherwise a product that is somewhat less "wonderful". future customers need to know about the good and the bad of what they are going to buy, and the free message boards are what they come to see these days as they are not controlled by the manufacturers. sure some opinions can be misleading but people in their right minds should be able to filter out the bad information. Changing or editing the posts by the moderators sometimes don't help at all....peace. :)

Bob: thanks for changing my username a few weeks ago.

LAAOY! - (laughing at all of you) just made that up!

Thumbnail, constructive discussions about such topics are always beneficial to our community. However when a member shows the type of outlandish and bizarre behavior as TechnoViolent did in his “obviously” derogatory post it adds nothing worthwhile for others. In fact I think TechnoViolent's post was disrespectful to the original poster... His attitude is that of a troublemaker.

Bob ///M3

Maybe I'm missing something about the way you're acting! I don't see the need for your post.

bob, while i respect your knowledge and work with this board, the "czar of bimmerforums" approach in your post is disturbing. we all know where the ignore button is (although i thought his posts were pretty funny:D). sorry, but you're the assistant admin. you have a greater responsibility here. no rules were broken, and if people who speak their mind here have to beg for the moderators mercy, then this is no longer a forum, but a dictatorship.

jason
98 328i
97 m3

Hmmmmm, well Saul was not too offended. He, Stylin' and I are presently engaged in a lovely exchange re tire sizing and rim-rolling on the wheel/tire portion of the forum. It is quite harmonious, tranquil, pleasant and utterly free of rancor and truculence. I invite all to join us therein. I think he, like most, understood that my remarks were not deragatory in any way, they were in jest, not directed at anyone or thing, and in response to rather heavy-handed and objectionable moderation that ultimately resulted in censorship. To the extent that I have offended anyone or thing, I most sincerely apologize from the deepest bowels of my body, as it was not my intention.

May peace be with you.

I didn't mean for this to go this far.
some time ago some of us had bad experience with UUC delivering their product.
All I’m trying to say is I'm just happy that the wing I order got here so quick that's all.

Originally posted by TechnoViolent
Hmmmmm, well Saul was not too offended. He, Stylin' and I are presently engaged in a lovely exchange re tire sizing and rim-rolling on the wheel/tire portion of the forum. It is quite harmonious, tranquil, pleasant and utterly free of rancor and truculence. I invite all to join us therein. I think he, like most, understood that my remarks were not deragatory in any way, they were in jest, not directed at anyone or thing, and in response to rather heavy-handed and objectionable moderation that ultimately resulted in censorship. To the extent that I have offended anyone or thing, I most sincerely apologize from the deepest bowels of my body, as it was not my intention.

May peace be with you.

:D

Jason, I'm sorry I disturbed you! The key word here on Bimmerforums.com is "respect"! I see to it that we have a harmonious membership with that respect! I don't put anyone on Ignore because I do have a greater responsibility here! I want to know what is going on!

Our rules are very clearly based on respect and I want to make sure this is understood. In my mind, TechnoViolent's post was borderline disrespectful. I personally saw nothing funny about it...only someone being sarcastic to the point of being obnoxious!

By the way this forum is about as far from being run like a dictatorship as one could possibly be! Be respectful and follow the rules and everything is just fine. Don't...and we have a problem. It's really very simple... TechnoViolet has a choice to make!

Bob ///M3


Originally posted by yardboy


bob, while i respect your knowledge and work with this board, the "czar of bimmerforums" approach in your post is disturbing. we all know where the ignore button is (although i thought his posts were pretty funny:D). sorry, but you're the assistant admin. you have a greater responsibility here. no rules were broken, and if people who speak their mind here have to beg for the moderators mercy, then this is no longer a forum, but a dictatorship.

jason
98 328i
97 m3

How is the quality of the wing? Does the upper wing follow the contour of the lower one? If you stand to the side of the wing and look straight across the top surface of the wing, do you see any waviness or distortion? Are the joints clean and crisp or a little-ill defined?

I have a replica wing on my car, and they copied the Hamann DTM wing - the upper part is straight, but the lower part is curved to conform to the contour of the trunk. So when you see them next to each other, it looks like the top half is sagging, which I don't like. I had to bondo and sand the wing for quite some time to get the distortions out, and I really don't want to go through these problems if I get the UUC wing.

thanks,

scott

Originally posted by Saul
I order replica GT wing from Dan @ UUC on Wednesday and is here already, that what I call service.
Thanks to Dan.:clap:

I respectfully object to the use of the word "obnoxious". It is disrespectful, unkind, and provocative, and was completely unwarranted under the circumstances, especially after I apologized from the deepest bowels of my body and Saul confirmed that he was not offended. Although I could, I will not sink to the low low level of using derogatory terms to describe another man's post. As a gentleman and fellow bmw enthusiast, I am above such misconduct.:angel

TechnoViolent, the self-described discription of your post as "disrespectful" and "unkind" works for me! The apology "from the deepest bowels of (your) body" doesn't work!

To be right up front with you TechnoViolent I don't appreciate your behavior. You're lack of respect is testing my patience!

Bob ///M3



Originally posted by TechnoViolent
I respectfully object to the use of the word "obnoxious". It is disrespectful, unkind, and provocative, and was completely unwarranted under the circumstances, especially after I apologized from the deepest bowels of my body and Saul confirmed that he was not offended. Although I could, I will not sink to the low low level of using derogatory terms to describe another man's post. As a gentleman and fellow bmw enthusiast, I am above such misconduct.:angel

Congrats on the wing!!! Your car is going to be pretty awesome. What do you think they would charge to paint two sideskirts for my car? I'm thinking about doing the sideskirts pretty soon. I just hate these 328 skirts on an M3, although I do like the lux in the 4-door.

We are going to have to get together sometime. I've got some questions about mods that I think you could help me with. Shoot I don't even know what all you've done to your car. Anyway, the wing is going to be awesome!!!:clap:

Originally posted by Justin(OKC)
Congrats on the wing!!! Your car is going to be pretty awesome. What do you think they would charge to paint two sideskirts for my car? I'm thinking about doing the sideskirts pretty soon. I just hate these 328 skirts on an M3, although I do like the lux in the 4-door.

We are going to have to get together sometime. I've got some questions about mods that I think you could help me with. Shoot I don't even know what all you've done to your car. Anyway, the wing is going to be awesome!!!:clap:

Justin(OKC)

I called precision auto body and just gave them the description of my wing and they quote me around $175 to $200. In your case is hard to say since they have to take off the side skirts, get it prep and paint it, it might be around $300 or more.

Here are the mod I've done so far: JC CAI/Shark, Super Sprint exhaust DTM, URI Pulleys, X brace, UCC TME/Clutch stop, H&R sport spring, E46 RSM/Z3 reinforcement plate, Ron Styger short shift, Bosh ellipsoids, JP Demon.
Yeah we have to get together sometime. I like to see what your car.

$300 wouldn't be too bad. I should probably go ahead and find a set of used OEM skirts for my car. The list of stuff on my car is getting bigger and bigger, but I'm in limbo on a few things. I'm stuck on the sways at the moment and I'm stuck on the suspension. Half the suspension is installed and I'm waiting on the front struts to get back from PPW. I will then be held up on the swaybar links since I need to make some custom ones that are shorter. I want to make measurements of the struts before I start ordering parts. I'm trying to decide on a SSK. Does yours have an erk type unit to smooth things out? I know bimmer95 said that his MZ3 shifter had one. I don't think Peter has that on his yellow S/C sedean because it felt VERY notchy. I want mine to be pretty smooth if I can do it.

You've done a lot of cool exterior mods. I can't wait until you get it all together and get some wheels. Have you decided what you are going to get? keep up the good work on the car and let's try to get together sometime this month.

BTW, I saw a red M3/4 at the carwash today with CA plates. It was nice!

Originally posted by Justin(OKC)
$300 wouldn't be too bad. I should probably go ahead and find a set of used OEM skirts for my car. The list of stuff on my car is getting bigger and bigger, but I'm in limbo on a few things. I'm stuck on the sways at the moment and I'm stuck on the suspension. Half the suspension is installed and I'm waiting on the front struts to get back from PPW. I will then be held up on the swaybar links since I need to make some custom ones that are shorter. I want to make measurements of the struts before I start ordering parts. I'm trying to decide on a SSK. Does yours have an erk type unit to smooth things out? I know bimmer95 said that his MZ3 shifter had one. I don't think Peter has that on his yellow S/C sedean because it felt VERY notchy. I want mine to be pretty smooth if I can do it.

You've done a lot of cool exterior mods. I can't wait until you get it all together and get some wheels. Have you decided what you are going to get? keep up the good work on the car and let's try to get together sometime this month.

BTW, I saw a red M3/4 at the carwash today with CA plates. It was nice!

Ron Styger SS does not use ERK like UUC.
Peter just have the Z3 shifter from Jackie Cooper ($49).
As far as wheels goes I'm torn between HMII 18's or BBS CH.

Hey Saul, good luck w/ the wing. Please post some close-up pics when you get it installed. We'd love to see it.

Justin,
IMHO, I would not wory about the lack of ERK on the Stygar SSK. I've never heard anybody complain about a Stygar kit. I love mine - very smooth and only slightly more effort than stock.

Originally posted by Bob ///M3
TechnoViolent, the self-described discription of your post as "disrespectful" and "unkind" works for me!

Bob, reading is fundamental . . .

Originally posted by TechnoViolent
Hey Saul, good luck w/ the wing. Please post some close-up pics when you get it installed. We'd love to see it.

Justin,
IMHO, I would not wory about the lack of ERK on the Stygar SSK. I've never heard anybody complain about a Stygar kit. I love mine - very smooth and only slightly more effort than stock.



Bob, reading is fundamental . . .

TechnoViolent

I'll post some pic once I get it paint and install.

Bob

Let it go, it was pretty funny. Nothing derrogatory was said.

Besides, we all know youre the captian of the UUC cheerleader squad :biglaughb

Jonathan, I have let it go... But I will remember!

What was said wasn't funny, and it was indeed derogatory in a backhanded way, in my opnion...

I beg to differ with you about me being "the captain of the UUC cheerleader squad". I feel all aftermarket companies should receive fair treatment and respect. I do happen to own a UUC short shifter and their Enforcer Cups. I like both of them and recommend them when someone asks about them. I don't think that makes me a cheerleader for UUC!

I also happen to have a gauge kit made by Eastern Motorwerks, Precision amplifiers and JL Audio speakers that I recommend to members when they ask. I use Amsoil engine oil and Red Line gear oil and recommend those products too when asked. I'm not accused of being a cheerleader for those companies! I find your "cheerleader" comment derogatory, one-sided and strange...

I don't care much for your backhanded stab at me! I suggest you follow your own suggestion and let it go! I hope I've made myself clear...

Bob ///M3



Originally posted by J Vitolo
Bob

Let it go, it was pretty funny. Nothing derrogatory was said.

Besides, we all know youre the captian of the UUC cheerleader squad :biglaughb

But I must agree - you do own a pair of UUC pom poms.
;)

:boobies Give me a "U"!
:boobies Give me a "U"!
:boobies Give me a "C"!


I'm out of this thread. The people have spoken. Their message is clear. Other boards are now looking at this thread and the other UUC thread in utter amazement, shock and horror.
These were sad threads not just for me, but for BMW enthusiasts around the world. When one BMW enthusiast is silenced on an arbitrary and capricious basis, or even threatened with such silence, the freedom of the entire BMW universe is compromised!

:redspot Stop the madness!!!!

i think this has gone far enough...

On February 11th this thread was closed by a Moderator. As you can see it has now been re-opened. Other threads that were closed have also been re-opened.

Many of our members have suggested that we have a forum dedicated for comments about vendors, dealers or shops. More than a few of our members strongly recommended that we allow and promote discussions (both positive and negative) about our member's experiences pertaining to customer service issues, quality of product, fitting, advertised performance, etc. We therefore have added this new forum called "Vendor & Dealer Comments".

Recently we have had a few threads that involved vendors that were ultimately closed because it was felt they were getting out of hand. One of the threads was this one.

The reason I am posting on this thread is because a member (TechnoViolet) was recently banned because of his actions in this particular thread. His actions were felt to be disrespectful toward the vendor but also, and more importantly, toward the Moderators and Administration staff of Bimmerforums.com.

Since adding our new forum, where we are now promoting discussions about vendors, I have received several PMs and emails from some of our members inquiring about whether the banned member (TechnoViolet) should have his ban lifted. I felt this needed to be addressed so the following question needed to be asked: "Should we allow the banned member (TechnoViolet) to have his member status reinstated and no longer be banned from Bimmerforums.com?" This question was asked in an anonymous poll vote in our private "Administrator & Moderator" forum.

Here are the final results of the poll vote:

Should the banning of member "TechnoViolet" be lifted?

Yes - 36.00%
No - 64.00%

(I purposely did not cast my vote in case a tie-breaker vote was needed.)

I wanted to share this information with the Bimmerforums.com community.

Bob ///M3

Can't you let this guy have alittle fun . :dunno
This is making me think that aol&time warner are calling shots here.

You want him to have fun...at someone else's expense!

AOL or Time Warner has nothing to do with Bimmerforums.com!

Bob ///M3


Originally posted by Bill
Can't you let this guy have alittle fun . :dunno
This is making me think that aol&time warner are calling shots here.

Bob,

You have a bit of history with my posting style, and my focus on net.manners, but I find myself terribly out of step with you here and feel I must make a few comments. Bear with me, please.

You seem emotionally involved in this issue, based upon the content of this particular thread. As a friend of mine, the head enforcement person at <a href="http://www.geektimes.com/michael/travel/usa/nv/burningMan/index.html">Burning Man</a> would say, time to go for a walk. You don't seem the right person to be judging this contest. Whether you choose to recuse yourself or continue on with this issue is - of course - yours to make, but I suggest that it will have long-term ramifications.

Bob ///M3:
...This question was asked in an anonymous poll vote in our private "Administrator & Moderator" forum...

Having asked other moderators is like George Bush asking Tony Blair for an "opinion". If this is a community issue then I suggest that you put it to the community, although I think the whole banning thing is silly since most users can arrange to come in from another IP address and register as TechnoNotSoViolent.

I have a fair bit of experience with morons in the digital era, about two decades worth. We're a pretty mature community, and we know how to filter out the immature, the petty, and other posters of drivel. TechnoViolent seems like a kid without much experience in the world, but hardly more obnoxious than I was. Nothing he's said on this thread strikes me as seriously offensive, just immature.

Somehow, banning him for this sort of mind (IMHO) infraction of the respect rule rubs me the wrong way. Granted, I'm a staunch first amendment supporter, but compared to the things I've seen on USENET and elsewhere, I think the best community-centered thing we can do is let TechnoViolent back in and let him** deal with having posts ignored or being constantly corrected.

That we have a fighting chance to bring him up in our image, and let him contribute in his way. If he becomes more offensive, toss him out again. But it's the most unpopular speech that must be most zealously protected, and I don't like the message we send by tossing him away today.

I, for the record, have never bought, seen, or even considered buying anything from UUC. I was wondering why people were so up-in-arms about the University of California. Then I did a search on the web. Silly me.

**I had to pick a gender. If TechnoViolent is in fact a girl, forgive me. Actually, from what I've seen from my local motor "girlz" I wouldn't be surprised, but that's neither here nor there.

Each moderator voted anonymously as they wished. Maybe you should be directing your statements to them...

Bob ///M3

I'm not lobbying; I think my statements of record stand for themselves.

Y'all have started down a slippery slope. I think that says it all.

Bob,

Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anything too ofensive about Technoviolet's posts.

I agree with you Bob that respect is of utmaots importance and I think the guys on this forum do pretty well. I shamelessly plug my Amsoil dealership and I cannot remember any nasty posts in my direction. I have had plenty of slams on other forums and this one has to be the kindest I have seen.

Thanks for running a good show and give him another chance.

Don

Mickey, I hate to hear you say that you feel “terribly out of step with (me)” and the decision of our Moderators “rubs (you) the wrong way”. I realized a long time ago that you'll never please everyone... Before I get started replying to your comments let me tell you that I really don’t have much history of your posting style, as you suggest I might, nor your self-proclaimed focus on "manners". I will tell you that I feel very confident this matter was handled fairly and appropriately. I, like you, feel "my statements of record stand for themselves"! With that having been said let's get on with your other comments...

You say that I seem to be “emotionally involved in this issue”. If you knew me very well you would know that this little issue is far from emotional for me. However with my many years of experience in the corporate world as well as managing people it is my nature to take care of all issues that I’m charged with in a proper way regardless of the level of importance it may have. The authority I have demands that I set a high standard which I always strive to do and this small issue in no way deminishes my continued focus on that goal. I feel that I've handled this issue in a positive and proper manner.

You said, “You don't seem the right person to be judging this contest”. I really don’t know why you would make such an off-the-wall statement such as that! I personally banned “TechnoViolet” because he refused to follow our rules and show proper respect to our Moderators and Administration after many requests to do so. He was not banned until the next day...after much thought had gone into the decision. It has been almost two weeks since he was banned. However, this week we decided to add this new forum and I felt we (Moderators and Administration) should re-consider the action that I took against him. I wanted to make sure I had the support of the Moderators because we dropped our rules about negatively discussing vendors and I wasn't sure if the Moderators felt he was banned because of that or because he didn't display respect toward his fellow members and/or Moderators and Administration. Therefore I asked for an anonymous poll vote from the Moderators in which I purposely did not cast my vote. The Moderators could vote any way they wished. I would never know how they voted… There was no discussion before I presented the reason for the vote or after the vote. I stated the reason why they were voting...and the rest was up to them. I left it totally up to them about what the basis was for their vote. It was never discussed before the vote. I assume they considered two parts of our rules as they applied to what "TechnoViolet" did to be banned; 1) rules pertaining to vendors (which have since been dropped) and/or 2) disrespect toward fellow members including Moderators and Administration. It was totally up to them what they considered before casting their votes. I was fully prepared to remove the ban against "TechnoViolet" if the vote was in his favor. If I wasn't prepared to remove the ban I never would have asked for a vote!

You are not privy to the private discussions the Moderators and I have about different issues nor are you aware of the way we conduct our business therefore you are not in a good position to critique how or why we handle such issues the way we do! Your comment, “Whether you choose to recuse yourself or continue on with this issue is - of course - yours to make, but I suggest that it will have long-term ramifications” is quite unclear! Mickey, I'm not the one who is continuing on with this issue! It's closed as far as I'm concerned... Apparently you are suggesting I personally will have ramifications because of this final outcome vote but you did not say what the ramifications might be! I’m assuming these ramifications [you predict] will be against me…and not the Moderators who voted “anonymously” to disallow “TechnoViolet” to return! Or maybe you think the ramifications will be against the message board as a whole...I don't know! You might want to explain yourself because I'm confused by your comment... By the way, we are very capable of dealing with ex-members who try to use other IP addresses, email addresses and/or user names to access the message board.

I must say that your example using Bush and Tony Blair is very weak! Your example is somewhat at the other extreme to the IRS asking taxpayers to vote if they would like to have reduced taxes. The poll I originated was put to a Moderator vote because the Moderators primarily control issues pertaining to our rules. They could vote as they wished…anonymously. They did not have to reply directly to me by sharing their thoughts, as your example of the Bush/Blair one-on-one would require.

You suggested that I should have asked for a community vote to decide the outcome. I disagree and refer you back to my facetious suggestion of the IRS asking taxpayers if they wanted reduced taxes. You must place trust in our decisions. If or when we make a change that might affect a previous decision…like in this case, we will take the appropriate action to make sure it is dealt with in a fair and just way. As you can see from the outcome of the vote (that I elected to share with the community), the decision strands. I did not have to share this information with the community! If I hadn't shared it, it's obvious this topic would not have continued. However I wanted to let our community know that we handle issues such as this appropiately. I see now it would have been better to keep this information from you!

As you can see from the results of the vote your opinion is in the minority. In fact, the emails and PMs I received about TechnoViolet's banning ran about five to one in favor of him being banned. By the way, comparing what is allowed on other message boards as you suggested (i.e. USENET) or how we moderate our message board compared to other message boards is of no interest to us. Mickey, you don’t have to like the outcome of this issue but you must accept it…

This issue has been closed for us for some time now. I think I've already explained it clearly and shared with our community why we wanted to address this issue again considering we added the new forum. However since you were the one who brought it back up again, I felt I needed to address your comments. Now that I have addressed your comments I trust you either understand the situation better or will at least accept the outcome. If not, you may want to address this issue as I suggested earlier today with our Moderators if they care to rehash it with you. I'm far too busy to debate with you something that has already been dealt with by our Moderators.

It's a shame you feel that we "have started down a slippery slope! Whatever that is supposed to mean...

As your friend would say, "maybe it’s time for you to go for a walk"!

Bob ///M3

Bob

I must direct my statements at you for obvious reasons. The poll took amongst moderators is not a fair way to determine the "fate" of TechnoViolet. The fact you abstained from voting for fear of a tie-breaker says that not that there are too few people to fairly determine the outcome.

Perhaps a poll of all the members on the forum should be taken instead. I found his comments funny and nowhere near ban-worthy status. I simply disagree with you and think its wrong.

Maybe should also take a poll of how many people are happy with UUC? Personally, I think theyre products suck. From a number of reputable sources, the general feedback supports me. Ive met Matt M. of UUC and I think he's a nice guy, I dont hold anything against him just because I dont like his product. Maybe you shouldn't have been so quick to judge TechnoViolet just because he doesnt like UUC and you do. THAT is why I called you the captain of the UUC cheerleading squad. it was simply in jest...

Im young too, but I suggest you take the critique offered here to become a better moderator instead of defend each point made. This is just my opinion and not a personal attack. Hopefully it wont be deleted...

Jonathan, obviously you didn't comprehend what I said in my previous post... You might want to re-read it. It clearly addresses your thoughts!

Bob ///M3

I did read it(a bit long-winded if you ask me but thats besides the point) Sift through the politically correct jargon and my post directly adresses yours.

You're missing the "liberal" point. This is a community not a dictatorship of information. Most of the people here know other members personally. If we wanted straight facts just pick up a Bentley manual.

Jonathan "Where's the beef" Vitolo

Originally posted by J Vitolo
You're missing the "liberal" point. This is a community not a dictatorship of information. Most of the people here know other members personally. If we wanted straight facts just pick up a Bentley manual.

Unfortunately, since none of us here are spending the time/money to run this place, its not OUR community. It's just a community that someone is nice enough to allow us to participate in. In my opinion, if the rules are broken, the rules are broken. It doesn't matter what the community as a whole or the mods have to say about it. The only reason it was offered for a vote was because we decided to add the Vendor forum. Techno still violated the rules, vendor forum or not. He was lucky to even get a vote in my opinion.

I have been a part of tons of internet car communities in the past and present...UUC Digest, Suzy's E36 M3 Digest, UUC Garage, BMWPlanet, DTM, Bimmerforums, BMW on Rennlist, etc, etc. Never have I felt that that I should have right to act any way I wished just because a majority of the members thought I should be able to as well. As a member of an online community, we agree to be respectful to the rules and leadership of the community when we sign up. If we don't want to follow the rules, we don't have to sign up.

Since I am a mod on the Track forum, I should note that none of my comments above are meant to represent the views of the moderators or administrators of the board. I've never run a message board, but I respect the rules/decisions of those who do. And, if I decide they are wrong, I don't have to play any more. Perhaps our greatest freedom is not the freedom to say what we want here, but instead, our freedom to not say anything if we don't want to.

I second BMWRacerITS's comments.

Bob great job!! It is easy for everyone to criticize when all they do is post. I apprec. all the hard work you and the other Moder. do to keep this board sane.:clap:

I personally took offense to the post. It was rude in my opinion. There were not threatening comments but was def. out of place. If TechnoViolent were to stop then I would say ok, but he proceeded and sealed his own fate. If I recall correctly this is not the only time that Techno has had problems before.

A quote from the other uuc tread where he is talking to Rob Lev.-

"Its interesting how your long response completely failed to address the "universal" e36 fitment issue. Do you have any "adult" comments for us on that?"

This in my opinion is a very poor statement. Rob was and I assume still is willing to address any problems people have and Techno is RUDE!! This is not the off topic or general, he is addressing a owner of a reputable company who is hear trying to help.

This community is not here to baby the youth or rude!! You post at your own risk. If anyone who gets banned gets back on somehow, fine. I hope that they have learned a lesson and act accordingly. If not, I am sure the Moderators will find and ban them again.

I would have liked to see some other moderators post over here to show some unity. You guys took a vote don't let Bob defend everything. A simple "Hey we took a vote" would have been nice.

Oh, by the way. So people can't call me pro UUC or say something like "Besides, we all know youre the captian of the UUC cheerleader squad " I don't own a single UUC product. Oh wait, I picked up thier Oil Filter Cap at Turnermotorsport.com HeHe
:D :D Just having some fun.

I don't care about all this moderator hoop-la. Moderators moderate, that's what they do.
I wish I could say that I have had utopian interactions with UUC, but I haven't really.
Seems that everytime I order something, they "just sold the last one" and getting a straight answer regarding product availibility is next to impossible. I'd feel better if they would just say "I'm not sure when we'll have that back in stock," instead of listening to them fumble and studder and stammer when I press the issue of receiving my 'stuff.'
It's no big deal that is going to change the world we live in, but I think they need to get a better handle on things there.
It's also common courtesy, if you are out of something, tell people that you are out of it....especially, like in my case where I placed the order via the web expecting that the items were available. It's got that "shady" element to it.

"I order replica GT wing from Dan @ UUC on Wednesday and is here already, that what I call service.
Thanks to Dan."


Wow, aren't you on uuc 's jock. Maybe you should thank the ups or fedex instead for their fast service.
:biglaughb Don't brown your nose too much while you are at it.:biglaughb

Originally posted by EDog



Wow, aren't you on uuc 's jock. Maybe you should thank the ups or fedex instead for their fast service.
:biglaughb Don't brown your nose too much while you are at it.:biglaughb


Edog,

Watch it. Why don't you do me a favor and re-word your post. You've said not one word of useful information.

Brian

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG:D

What may not be coming to light here is that my recollection of the voting outcome and process went like this:

Most of the moderators, not all, thought that we should lighten up on the rule to not bash vendors, even supporting vendors. That's why the new vendor forum is now here. If you look at some of the threads in this new forum you can see that we've moderated to the level of telling people not to bash the vendor at a personal level. You can say what you want about products or service as long as you have something to back it up in words besides personal animosity or cheerleading.

TechnoViolent is banned not because he trashed UUC, that could have been dealt with. He got banned because when the rules in place at the time were pointed out to him, he turned his attacks to the moderators and Bob.

There has to be some discipline on the board and if you let people run over the moderators you will lose control of the board and have the chaos seen on some other boards. I personally have been reprimanded by Bob for my posts and I had it coming. I probably will get it again sometime. But I'm not about to smart mouth Bob when he points out the stark truth to me. If I do, I expect to be handed my walking papers.

And that is that. End of story.