I have already applied Klasse AIO, Sealant and Wolfgang sealant to the car. I know from utilizing the "search" function that sealants offer longer lasting protection, but do not offer the deeper shines that are associated with waxes.

I have pinnacle carnuba wax and was wondering if the benefits to applying to would be tangible and perceptible? Or does this process really lend itself more for the darker colored finishes? Does anyone have any experience towards this end?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

I haven't noticed a big difference in appearance when topping my silver car with carnuba. The bimmer definately looks better with a carnuba topper. Just remember, once you wax, you can't apply more sealant. You'll have to strip and start over, so make sure you are happy with how the sealant looks before topping.

David.

Thanks for the advice David. I am definitely satisfied with the sealant. It gives me twisted satisfaction to see how intensly the water beads when I wash the car now. And the sudsy wash mit just glides ever so effortlessly along the paint, hopefully reducing my chances of creating subsequent micro-scratches and swirl marks.

I guess the only way to find out will be to try it. Maybe I'll give it a shot this weekend.

Thanks again.

*mental note, no sealant after wax*

I have already applied Klasse AIO, Sealant and Wolfgang sealant to the car.

So you applied the Klasse sealant and then the Wolfgang sealant, or do you just mean you applied Klasse AIO and then the Wolfgang sealant?

About the wax: might as well go for it. It will give you just a little bit more protection (not that it really matters, but nice to know there is 2 layers of protection on your paint) and it won't take too much time to apply.

I applied Wolfgang sealant to a beater car after using Finesse it II, followed by Klasse AIO per David's instructions in the pinned write up (do a search on 91 prelude for all of the details). The finish turned out so nice and slick and the product was incredibly easy to apply and remove.

I started detailing the BMW with Klasse AIO since the paint was in pretty good shape and I didn't think that Finesse it II was necessary. I followed that up with the Klasse sealant, which was slightly a bit more difficult to apply and remove than was the Wolfgang. I expected results similar to Wolfgang, but was disappointed that the BMW did not have that "smooth as silk" finish like the beater car. So I applied Wolfgang sealant over top of the Klasse sealant. I didn't think there would be any harm in it since many people use multiple sealant applications. The only difference here is that they are different brands. No ill effects so far, the car looks great. And now it has that great finish like the beater car.:)

I noticed that waxing (S100) over Klasse SG (2 coats) made more of a difference in feel than in appearance on tit. silver. The SG alone looked great and sheeted the water off nicely. Once the carnuba was on top, the paint was notably deeper, but only to someone who sees the car every day (me). It also had that "waxy feel" to it, which the SG layer alone didn't have.

Just to make sure I wasn't crazy, I only topped above the side moldings since I tried Forever Black with the moldings on the car, so I had painters tape all over the place around the moldings making it hard to wax. There is an obvious difference in the slick feel of the paint with the carnuba vs. without. (Note to self: wax the rest of the car this weekend.)

Brian, thanks for sharing that information. That is exactly what I was looking for. I will apply the carnuba wax tomorrow to see if it makes a significant difference. I agree with you though, sometimes only the owner of a car knows it - in and out - and can discern the small differences due to detailing. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks again.

I few months ago I put some S100 over klasse AIO. The difference was remarkable. Waxed areas compared to just klassed areas reflected a lot more.

Brian, thanks for sharing that information. That is exactly what I was looking for. I will apply the carnuba wax tomorrow to see if it makes a significant difference. I agree with you though, sometimes only the owner of a car knows it - in and out - and can discern the small differences due to detailing. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks again.
Try it yet? Impressions? Pictures?

I have not personally tried it, but i've heard of people using final glazes containing high carnauba contents BEFORE the sealant. The idea being rather than sealing the paint then deepening w/ carnaube ... to deepen w/ carnauba THEN seal.

I'm not sure about your Application of Both the Klasse Twins & Wolfgang Sealant. All of those sealants are only as good as the preparation of the paint under it. It doesn't matter how good the sealant is if the paint isn't prepared well enough. You may benefit from applying a glaze or carnauba-rich polish before you seal it ...

just some thoughts ... the extra carnauba topper may enhance the look/ may not ... that's always hard on light colored cars. The best part about detailing is that you can always start over and experiment however you want! good luck!

alex

I have not personally tried it, but i've heard of people using final glazes containing high carnauba contents BEFORE the sealant. The idea being rather than sealing the paint then deepening w/ carnaube ... to deepen w/ carnauba THEN seal.

I'm not sure about your Application of Both the Klasse Twins & Wolfgang Sealant. All of those sealants are only as good as the preparation of the paint under it. It doesn't matter how good the sealant is if the paint isn't prepared well enough. You may benefit from applying a glaze or carnauba-rich polish before you seal it ...

just some thoughts ... the extra carnauba topper may enhance the look/ may not ... that's always hard on light colored cars. The best part about detailing is that you can always start over and experiment however you want! good luck!

alex

Thanks for the reply and advice. I used Klasse AIO (all-in-one) polisher with a PC 7424 before applying the sealant, so the paint was well prepared. When I get some time I might go back and use Finesse It II because I can see some fine swirl marks under certain lights. But the silver color hides these pretty well for the most part.

When I was installing some audio equipment I found some automatic car wash receipts in b/t the seat in the back. UUUUGGGHHHH. I know a rich lawyer had the car before me, that lazy bastard! :) Now I know where the swirl marks came from though :mad:


Brian - a golf outing and some bad weather prevented me from my goal of applying the carnuba this weekend. I had the car all washed and was ready to apply when the t-storms hit. The lighting in my garage sucks and I didn't want to do it in there. I usually park it just outside the garage in the shaded area when detailing. I intend to get to this task this weekend and will be sure to post pics after the process. Thanks for asking.

I have not personally tried it, but i've heard of people using final glazes containing high carnauba contents BEFORE the sealant. The idea being rather than sealing the paint then deepening w/ carnaube ... to deepen w/ carnauba THEN seal.

I'm not sure about your Application of Both the Klasse Twins & Wolfgang Sealant. All of those sealants are only as good as the preparation of the paint under it. It doesn't matter how good the sealant is if the paint isn't prepared well enough. You may benefit from applying a glaze or carnauba-rich polish before you seal it ...

just some thoughts ... the extra carnauba topper may enhance the look/ may not ... that's always hard on light colored cars. The best part about detailing is that you can always start over and experiment however you want! good luck!

alex

Do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT try putting a carnuba down BEFORE a synthetic sealant like Klasse SG or Zaino (not sure about Wolfgang). Prep-ing the surface is key, as the polish and de-oxidizer are what makes the paint look so shiney - but synthetic sealants won't be able to bond to the clear coat if you cover it with carnuba!

Thanks for the reply and advice. I used Klasse AIO (all-in-one) polisher with a PC 7424 before applying the sealant, so the paint was well prepared. When I get some time I might go back and use Finesse It II because I can see some fine swirl marks under certain lights. But the silver color hides these pretty well for the most part.

When I was installing some audio equipment I found some automatic car wash receipts in b/t the seat in the back. UUUUGGGHHHH. I know a rich lawyer had the car before me, that lazy bastard! :) Now I know where the swirl marks came from though :mad:


Brian - a golf outing and some bad weather prevented me from my goal of applying the carnuba this weekend. I had the car all washed and was ready to apply when the t-storms hit. The lighting in my garage sucks and I didn't want to do it in there. I usually park it just outside the garage in the shaded area when detailing. I intend to get to this task this weekend and will be sure to post pics after the process. Thanks for asking.


I did the FI-2 step in my routine and it got out MOST of my swirls, which was as expected given my poorly lit garage as well. If you do decide to go back and try it, I'd suggest you try claying your car first and give it the "whole 9 yards treatment" (clay, FI-2, AIO, SG, then maybe a topper). I never clayed before, but now having done it, I'll never NOT clay before a big detail sequence. IMO - if you're going to spend > 4 hours doing all this to have a nice shiny car, it sure as hell better FEEL clean too! (Nothing worse than running your fingers across a beautiful shine just to feel grit in the paint!)