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BMWguy206
05-25-2004, 01:04 PM
AA Tuning Diff. Support Bracket SPECIAL Fits only '92-'99 E36 3-Series except Ti

After weeks of typing back and forth updating BFc members about this product, I am proud to annouce that they are now for sale from MPerformance.

30 units are being shipped out. About 5-10 units have been pre sold to another supporting vendor so 20 are left.

The Special pricing will be $175 shipped and will end JUNE 1st! After that day the price will go up to $200 shipped.

The production color of the unit is black and comes with an AA Tuning Plaque.

Click here to preorder http://www.mperformance.com/store/comersus_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory= 184

Discount code to use when ordering is AADSB25. This discount wont be accepted after June 1st.

This is a great mod for guys that are breaking diff bolts. I have broken 5 bolts and blew one differential so yes I had to get the M3 towed 5 times!

The cost of extracting a broken differential bolt can be $100-$240. When a differential bolt is broken it will bang up aganist the floor board. This can prematurely wear out the pinion bearing inside the diff and sooner or later your differential will be destroyed and you gotta call the tow truck.

Differentials at the BMW Part Dept can be $1500.00+. Junk Yard prices are $500 or lower.

DONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU!!!

BMWguy206
05-25-2004, 01:05 PM
Another Picture

///M3DANA
05-25-2004, 01:39 PM
Can't wait to get mine in!!!!

Rito Smooth
05-25-2004, 01:56 PM
Sounds worthwile, i will give a call sometime tomm. to place my order.
Thanks

Balthazarr
05-25-2004, 02:22 PM
I want one.
Do you have a pic of the bracket off the car?

BMWguy206
05-25-2004, 04:03 PM
I want one.
Do you have a pic of the bracket off the car?

Here's a small picture from the AA Tuning website
http://www.aatuning.com/drivetrain/grfx/DFB-3sm.jpg

I will take more pics when I get them in stock.

Balthazarr
05-25-2004, 07:42 PM
That's small alright. :laugh

Chongus
05-26-2004, 12:20 AM
Do you have these in stock? How long until they ship?

BMWguy206
05-26-2004, 12:43 AM
I will have them in stock Monday. Tuesday being the latest since I have to box each one of them.

BMWguy206
05-26-2004, 03:57 PM
Alright I just spoke to my contact at AA Tuning. I now have 40 kits that are being shipped to me and AA no longer has them in stock.

I already sold 21 kits since yesterday and the special pricing will end June 1st. After that it will go back up to $200 shipped.

BMWguy206
05-28-2004, 02:01 AM
UPDATE:

7 kits are left. After this I wont have anymore in stock for next month or so.

95RogueM3
05-28-2004, 03:25 AM
Hey Jon,

Did you end up snapping any photos of the brackets you got in (pictures displaying the bracket uninstalled)?

I think i might miss this first batch but will be in for next time you get a shipment.

-Richard

BMWguy206
05-28-2004, 04:22 AM
No not yet. That will be done on Wednesday or Thursday next week.

BMWguy206
05-28-2004, 10:17 AM
Update:

All DSBs have been sold. I have a few more coming in on Friday but special pricing will not apply.

ToneCapone
05-29-2004, 12:49 AM
On the pic of the bracket installed, it appears there are two bolts that go into the bottom of the rear subframe. Do you need to drill any holes into the subframe to mount the bracket?

BMWguy206
05-29-2004, 01:02 AM
There are already holes on the diff. carrier.

ToneCapone
05-29-2004, 01:40 AM
Thanks Jon. If i had my car I'd have just looked myself (its in the shop :) )

Chongus
05-29-2004, 01:44 AM
Update:

All DSBs have been sold. I have a few more coming in on Friday but special pricing will not apply.




Jon,

I was going to order today at your intro price, but you say that you are "sold out" Would you honor your price if I pay in advance? When you said before June 1st, I assumes you would honor the price of $175. If not, that is a raw deal bro since you stated in your ad that you would honor the price until June 1st. The only reason why I'm late is because I did not get paid until today :( . Let me know if you can include me at the intro price of $175. :)

marc1119
05-29-2004, 11:18 AM
Correction, Jon, there are holes in the crossmember but they do not go through. You MUST drill thru the existing holes up toward the diff. I suggest you drill them ARROW STRAIGHT also or the top sandwich portion of the AA support will not line up when you try to put the bolts in from the bottom.
Can be a little PITA getting the bottom bolts lined up properly :)

Also the directions from AA say the rear diff bolt is 17mm, it is actually 18mm. :)

Iding SIII
05-31-2004, 11:41 PM
Jon,

I was going to order today at your intro price, but you say that you are "sold out" Would you honor your price if I pay in advance? When you said before June 1st, I assumes you would honor the price of $175. If not, that is a raw deal bro since you stated in your ad that you would honor the price until June 1st. The only reason why I'm late is because I did not get paid until today :( . Let me know if you can include me at the intro price of $175. :)


I was wondering the same thing? I have been traveling so I have not been able to get on this. I can paypal the money anytime? Please let me know!

943184dr
06-01-2004, 01:59 AM
well i just payed for one but it charged me $200:dunno any reason why? hopefully since i payed in advance before june 1st i will still get the $175 price?

Thanks
Tom

BMWguy206
06-01-2004, 02:15 AM
Hey guys...

Like I said, I have sold out 40 of these units. AA will not have them in stock for about 3-4 weeks. I can make the price $175 to those who have pre ordered it till the end of June 1st but you will have to wait awhile for it.

Tom - I will credit you back if you like. Just let me know what you want to do.

Iding SIII and Chongus - You can pre order now but you will have to wait till I get some in stock which can be month or sooner. I will eventually know till the end of this week.

The discount code has been reactivated.

943184dr
06-01-2004, 02:35 AM
Hey guys...

Like I said, I have sold out 40 of these units. AA will not have them in stock for about 3-4 weeks. I can make the price $175 to those who have pre ordered it till the end of June 1st but you will have to wait awhile for it.

Tom - I will credit you back if you like. Just let me know what you want to do.

Iding SIII and Chongus - You can pre order now but you will have to wait till I get some in stock which can be month or sooner. I will eventually know till the end of this week.

The discount code has been reactivated.

Jon,
Go ahead and credit the $25 to my card that, i would imagine would be easiest for you. the wait on it isn't a really big deal for me as i have to finish building my whole rear suspension in order to swap it in.

Thanks
Tom

BMWguy206
06-01-2004, 02:49 PM
UPDATE:

I just got a tracking number for the DSBs. They will be arriving on June 4th which is on a Friday. I will do my best and ship them out the same day.

Eurospeed Performance will also have these units in stock soon so go to them since I dont have any in stock at the moment.

Balthazarr
06-01-2004, 03:50 PM
so the $175 price is good thru midnight today?

Also, can the DSB be use to lift the rear of the car just like the diff carrier?
Carrier works great for lifting. Just don't want to bend the new support bracket.

BMWguy206
06-01-2004, 03:53 PM
Yes through midnight today only.

I dont recommend using the DSB as a lift point when jacking up the vehicle.

Chongus
06-01-2004, 04:59 PM
Yes through midnight today only.

I dont recommend using the DSB as a lift point when jacking up the vehicle.


Jon,

If you cannot lift the car at the carrier point anymore once you install the DSB, where and how would you jack up the rear end of the car?

BMWguy206
06-01-2004, 05:05 PM
You can lift the rear on the underside of the vehicle. There is a jacking point there or you can get a jacking plate and insert that on the hole where the factory jack inserts into.

Chongus
06-01-2004, 05:11 PM
You can lift the rear on the underside of the vehicle. There is a jacking point there or you can get a jacking plate and insert that on the hole where the factory jack inserts into.


Where is this jacking point exactly? The only one I know is where the DSB goes. I have a jack plate for the factory holes, but I understnd that it is used for getting one sider at a time. I know that it is not safe to put the entire weight of the car onto the jacking holes.

BMWguy206
06-01-2004, 05:16 PM
You should have a hockey puck plastic piece thats snapped onto the underbody right below the factory holes thats on the side skirts.

I recommend not jacing it from the DSB location since I am not sure if it'll break you'll have to pay for a replacement.

Balthazarr
06-01-2004, 08:34 PM
Jon, did you get better pics of the DSB mounted and not?
Would like to see how close to the carrier this is.

Since it bolts up to it, I would assume that it could still be used as lift point as long as the saddle is positioned properly.

marc1119
06-01-2004, 08:41 PM
The DSB sandwiches the carrier. The main bracket goes thru the rear diff bolt and if fits snugly UNDER the carrier, against it. The top sandwich portion slides BETWEEN the rear end and the carrier, and bolts thru to the bottom underside of the bracket.
The space between the top slid in portion and the actual rear dif is about 1/4 inch on each side and a 1/16 inch in the middle.because there is a casting built into the middle of the diff.

The diff is now attached to the center crossmember, by means of the diff bolt and the top anchor bolt that sets against the top of the diff as a set bolt with lock nut. :)

NY98M3
06-01-2004, 09:33 PM
heres a pic for you guys....red is for showing purposes only.

http://www.aatuning.com/drivetrain/grfx/DFB-1.jpg

http://www.aatuning.com/drivetrain/grfx/DFB-2.jpg

marc1119
06-01-2004, 09:49 PM
The only problem with that pic is that it does not show the second bracket that sandwiches between the diff and the carrier that those bottom bolts screw up into. :)

Balthazarr
06-01-2004, 10:56 PM
So marco, not a problem lifting there w/ DSB i gather?

Jon, can I get one of these in red like the pic?
I know you said only black, but I'll wait for a red batch if I pay now.

Balthazarr
06-02-2004, 02:02 AM
Jon, after i received order confirmation, the continue button took me to "webpage unavailable".

Did you get my order?

EDIT: Received email with order #.

Thanks.

Chongus
06-02-2004, 02:16 AM
I tried to place my order and the website kept telling me "webpage unavailable."

If my order went through great, if not, forget about it.

I gave it a shot to secure the $175 pricing, but if your webpage does not want to take my order, its your loss.

BMWguy206
06-02-2004, 04:30 AM
So marco, not a problem lifting there w/ DSB i gather?

Jon, can I get one of these in red like the pic?
I know you said only black, but I'll wait for a red batch if I pay now.

Sorry but red units wont be made. It'll only be in black.

BMWguy206
06-02-2004, 04:33 AM
Jon, after i received order confirmation, the continue button took me to "webpage unavailable".

Did you get my order?

EDIT: Received email with order #.

Thanks.

Alan,

Yes I got your order. The "webpage unavailable" page after you press the confirmation button is normal. Its suppose to be a thank you page thats not completed.

BMWguy206
06-02-2004, 04:36 AM
I tried to place my order and the website kept telling me "webpage unavailable."

If my order went through great, if not, forget about it.

I gave it a shot to secure the $175 pricing, but if your webpage does not want to take my order, its your loss.

Not sure how far you went into the order process but I didnt get any order from you and the server might be acting up. Its working fine right now.

You can try again and I will leave the discount up and take it down after you make your order.

marc1119
06-02-2004, 06:22 AM
Balthazar, I do not think it would be a problem jacking it from there :)
I will try it this weekend and let you know. :)

Balthazarr
06-02-2004, 03:43 PM
Thanks Marco.

Chongus
06-02-2004, 03:59 PM
Balthazar, I do not think it would be a problem jacking it from there :)
I will try it this weekend and let you know. :)


Marco,

Keep us all posted :) I'm curious to see if it will be ok to still lift the car from that point.

Chongus
06-02-2004, 04:00 PM
Not sure how far you went into the order process but I didnt get any order from you and the server might be acting up. Its working fine right now.

You can try again and I will leave the discount up and take it down after you make your order.

Jon,

I tried calling and left a message to place my order. Please call me back ASAP. I don't want to mess with the website to order; I would rather do it over the phone.

Thx.

Chongus
06-02-2004, 04:40 PM
Thanks Jon for taking my order. I look forward to installing this!

Thanks! :)

Rito Smooth
06-02-2004, 06:15 PM
Any idea of when these things will be shipping? I am anxiously awaiting and would love to have it installed before my DE on the 11th. Thanks

BMWguy206
06-02-2004, 06:17 PM
Most of them will be shipped out on the 4th.

Rito - You might get yours on the 11th since you're in NY. I sent you a PM as well.

BMWguy206
06-04-2004, 11:36 PM
Hey Guys... tiring day for me packing all the DSBs. I shipped most of the DSBs today but 6 of them didnt get shipped out. Those will be shipped out Sat. or Monday.

Drilling is involved but its only to make the holes on the carrier larger. You do not drill through the differential.

I cant post pictures yet until I get AAs approval.

Chongus
06-04-2004, 11:39 PM
Hey Guys... tiring day for me packing all the DSBs. I shipped most of the DSBs today but 6 of them didnt get shipped out. Those will be shipped out Sat. or Monday.

Drilling is involved but its only to make the holes on the carrier larger. You do not drill through the differential.

I cant post pictures yet until I get AAs approval.

Jon, Thanks for making this possible for us bf.c peeps. Much thanks to you. I hope you got mine out today.

Drilling? I was hoping that this would not happen. :(

marc1119
06-05-2004, 07:25 AM
Who would drill thru the differential? I hope you did not get that idea from my post, Jon. I said the carrier bracket has 2 holes in it from the bottom. The bracket is double sided and the holes do not go completely thru the carrier. You must drill straight thru the EXISTING holes up TOWARD the carrier and ALL the way thru the carrier.
The holes must be arrow straight OR larger than necesarry for the top threaded bracket of the support to line up with the bolts coming up from the bottom.Just an FYI. :)

BMWguy206
06-05-2004, 01:13 PM
Marco.. no I understood your post completely but there are others that may not and might accidently drill to high.

Balthazarr
06-05-2004, 10:57 PM
So Marco, did you try lifting at the support/carrier?

Chongus
06-07-2004, 07:08 AM
So Marco, did you try lifting at the support/carrier?
can anyone answer this?

Chongus
06-07-2004, 07:09 AM
Jon, I got a tracking number for my DSB, but it shows as not shipped? When will it ship?

BMWguy206
06-07-2004, 11:41 AM
Jon, I got a tracking number for my DSB, but it shows as not shipped? When will it ship?

Your DSB will ship out today. I was only able to ship out the first 22 orders. The last 7 will go out today.

Chongus
06-07-2004, 05:33 PM
Your DSB will ship out today. I was only able to ship out the first 22 orders. The last 7 will go out today.
Cool! Thanks a lot Jon!

Balthazarr
06-09-2004, 02:16 AM
Received my DSB today.
Small package...haven't opened it yet.

Just did...mine needs a repaint. Chipped in several spots.

BMWguy206
06-09-2004, 02:55 AM
hey guys... i do apologize for the chipped paint. Most of the DSBs got the paint chipped off on some areas. This happened during the shipping transit from AA to my office. About 20 DSBs were in one box weighing 70lbs so it did get banged up a bit traveling across the country. They were well wrapped with small bubble wrapping but most of the bubbles were popped when I opened them up.

Chongus
06-09-2004, 05:36 AM
hey guys... i do apologize for the chipped paint. Most of the DSBs got the paint chipped off on some areas. This happened during the shipping transit from AA to my office. About 20 DSBs were in one box weighing 70lbs so it did get banged up a bit traveling across the country. They were well wrapped with small bubble wrapping but most of the bubbles were popped when I opened them up.

:confused:

BSH
06-09-2004, 05:39 AM
:confused:
That makes 2 of us, Barry.

:confused: :confused:

What can be done about this, Jon? Hopefully, something can be worked out with aa.

More important than cosmetics, chipped paint renders the metal susceptible to the elements (rain, salt, dirt, etc.) and may result in rust.

Chongus
06-09-2004, 05:47 AM
For something that costs about $200, it better be in good shape. It would be completely unacceptable if the one I get is chipped in any way. Sure, it may not be visable or may get messed up since it is on the bottom of the car, but it is the principal of buying something new. Not chipped up and possibly bent because of the manfacturers shipping mistakes.

marc1119
06-09-2004, 10:39 AM
Karl Hugh responded to me that the rearend CAN be jacked up by the DSB or the rearend itself without any problems.

Sorry it took so long, been busy and I was waiting for Karl Hugh's response. :)

BMWguy206
06-09-2004, 11:54 AM
I'll talk to AA about the paint chipping. I do advise not to install it. However, if you use it as a jacking point and the paint comes off in that area, then there's nothing I or AA can do about it.

marc1119
06-09-2004, 12:02 PM
You do not have to use the DSB as a jacking point. There is plenty of exposed differential available to jack it up from. Obviously I would reccomend a nice jack pad on the jack, but I would probaly just use the exposed underside of the rearend itself and just avoid the DSB altogether. :)

Chongus
06-09-2004, 02:24 PM
Karl Hugh responded to me that the rearend CAN be jacked up by the DSB or the rearend itself without any problems.

Sorry it took so long, been busy and I was waiting for Karl Hugh's response. :)

Good to hear. Thx.

Chongus
06-09-2004, 02:26 PM
I'll talk to AA about the paint chipping. I do advise not to install it. However, if you use it as a jacking point and the paint comes off in that area, then there's nothing I or AA can do about it.


Jon,

If my DSB (which is scheduled to arrive today) is in bad shape, you bet I will want a replacement. If it looks good, fine. I'm more concerned about functionality, but if it is apparently bent or really messed up, I will let you know.

joe325i
06-09-2004, 03:18 PM
OT just because im curious...
WHy does AA say that product is for "racing purposes only"??

Slowpoke
06-10-2004, 01:34 AM
...

More important than cosmetics, chipped paint renders the metal susceptible to the elements (rain, salt, dirt, etc.) and may result in rust.

I just got mine in today. I guess the paints chips are going to be on the majority of them because mine had scrapes and dings all over. I would also suggest reinforment in shipping the packages because there were two loose bolts that caused havoc inside the box and created scuffs and blemishes on the plate. The bolts I believe also played a part in shattering a good part of the cd jewel case that the cd came in but did no damage to the cd itself.

I'll hold off installing it for now.

Chongus
06-10-2004, 04:24 AM
Got mine today all dinged up. The CD and case were completely shattered. Can anyone post the install info since mine is destroyed?

BSH
06-10-2004, 04:39 AM
Got mine today all dinged up. The CD and case were completely shattered. Can anyone post the install info since mine is destroyed?
You're going to install it? Don't you want to exchange it for a clean one?

Chongus
06-10-2004, 04:46 AM
You're going to install it? Don't you want to exchange it for a clean one?

I would like to exchange for a new one Benji, but I assumimg that it will be awhile before we get replacements. The fact that the install CD is shattered pisses me off :mad:

Jon, how soon can we get replacements?

I suggest you send the people who want replacements a new one before we ship the old damaged ones back. The design seems like it will work well, but even though R&D is expensive, this bracket is not worth the retail of $200. It should have been a $99 at the most for this bracket.

I'm pretty disappointed even at the "price break" most of us got it for.

I'm complaing about AA's lack of precaution on handling these DSB's.

Jon IMHO did a great job hooking this up for us and I give props to him for arranging this.

I don't think I will ever buy an AA product again.

BMWguy206
06-10-2004, 04:48 AM
Barry,

I sent you an email with the instructions attached.

I am still waiting for a response from AA about the paint coming off. Replacements may take a month. You can get a small can of Rustoleum black spray paint and cover up the bare metal sections if you like.

Chongus
06-10-2004, 04:53 AM
Barry,

I sent you an email with the instructions attached.

I am still waiting for a response from AA about the paint coming off. Replacements may take a month. You can get a small can of Rustoleum black spray paint and cover up the bare metal sections if you like.

Jon,

I know I COULD get some black spray paint and touch up the DSB. But, the principal of the matter is that I shouild not have to in the first place, especially since this part almost costs $200!

BMWguy206
06-10-2004, 04:58 AM
Barry -

Check your PM box.

Chongus
06-10-2004, 05:13 AM
Barry -

Check your PM box.


Thanks for the install instructions Jon.

PS: If you have a problem with my previous posts, please voice yourself here in the open forum, rather than trying to insult me in private.

I never did shit, but point out that my install CD was damaged and DSB scuffed up.

Your service was great. Prompt delivery and service. :)

What I am disappointed is the fact that you seem not to want my buisness and was quick to offer a refund. Since it is a big pain in the ass for you do exchanges (DSB availability issues w/ AA), I'll live with the cosmetic damage and it will be a lesson learned, plus you have one less customer (me) to deal with to make it easier for you in the future.

You should be more open to comments rather than jump the gun and demand the product back to silence a customer.

Balthazarr
06-10-2004, 05:40 AM
Don't think I want to wait for a month to have one of these installed on the car.
I'm going to most likely paint mine red anyway.
I'll wait to see what AA tells you Jon.

I agree with Barry on the price being exorbitant.

marc1119
06-10-2004, 05:56 AM
Guys, I am just curious. Please do not attack me :)
The bracket mounts under the car where it cannot be seen at all. The only part visible if you lay under your car is the bottom piece with the cool AA placque that says "for racing purposes only".Have you guys taken a good look under your car recently? My car has never seen rain and it is FAR from mint around the rearend carrier area. My point is I guess, once you install it , nature will do in a week what MIGHT be on the bracket now. :)

I thought the $175 for the bracket including freight, paid for the fine fit and engineering AA put into the product and the piece of mind that came with knowing it was on there and noone else had offered to us before.
I think if someone were to ask me if I wanted a broken diff bolt or a chipped DSB, I would take the chipped DSB and either repaint that part or just put it on like it is.

I applaud Jon Caldito for making everyone aware of this part that EVERYONE wanted and needed, put together the GREAT PRICE including shipping , got em,and shipped them out quick. :buttrock

I am just not sure if the chips are REALLY the issue, or if now people having seen what they got for $175, really are looking for abetter deal thinking the part is NOT WORTH $175, including shipping or $199 without after GB.

I can recall paying alot more money for alot less engineering and safety or cosmetic appeal for things on my car :)

I think for what THIS part is and its FUNCTION, I think the paint chips are meaningless, and I have one. :)

joe325i
06-10-2004, 07:59 AM
I though that too..
Like its not going to get chips under the car? :eyes1 Especially if you live where the roads get salted under the weather.. I understand how you guys would be pissed... But I think you'll all being a little insane.

jmargo
06-10-2004, 01:54 PM
I installed mine yesterday and touched up the paint with black caliper paint. I did however have to grind alot of material out of the "cup" area. But the dif is not going anywhere !

BSH
06-10-2004, 02:03 PM
What paint is used on this DSB? Flat? Semi-gloss? Hi-temp? My DSB has been delivered a 5h drive south of where I'm at right now, so I haven't seen it in person.

If the DSB is just finished in some hi-temp spray paint, I really don't have a problem respraying it. The cost of shipping the DSB back to Jon will easily cover the price of a spray can.

Anyways, Jon has been dealing with this issue like a champ! Great customer service!

jmargo
06-10-2004, 03:20 PM
It looks like a high gloss. I think some of the paint problems have to do with the prep. The paint on the sides just flaked off.
A little sandpaper, some primer and its Good to Go.
I think AA should address this on future runs of the DSB.
But the function of the piece is as advertised.

BSH
06-10-2004, 03:45 PM
It looks like a high gloss. I think some of the paint problems have to do with the prep. The paint on the sides just flaked off.
A little sandpaper, some primer and its Good to Go.
I think AA should address this on future runs of the DSB.
But the function of the piece is as advertised.
If the finishing of this DSB by AA seems to be cheap, then I'll wait 'til they refine this part and finish it PROPERLY!

I didn't pay $175 for something that has paint flaking off it. :mad: If that's the case, maybe I should have waited for a future knockoff that will sell for less and will properly be fabricated to a much higher standard.

joe325i
06-10-2004, 03:52 PM
Big.. I think your going a little insane.. I can understand the fustration of buying the piece and the paint is comming off.

Chances are if you drive it up in vancover in the winter the paint is going to come off from the salt/sand on the roads... Get your car in the air and see if you find any rust.. Are you going to go after bmw saying I didnt pay 3x,xxx dollars to have rust 10 years down the road...
The paint is going to come off if you drive in the winter with it or even in the summer with road debris.

And theres always problems with 1st run production.

Chongus
06-10-2004, 04:12 PM
Big.. I think your going a little insane.. I can understand the fustration of buying the piece and the paint is comming off.

Chances are if you drive it up in vancover in the winter the paint is going to come off from the salt/sand on the roads... Get your car in the air and see if you find any rust.. Are you going to go after bmw saying I didnt pay 3x,xxx dollars to have rust 10 years down the road...
The paint is going to come off if you drive in the winter with it or even in the summer with road debris.

And theres always problems with 1st run production.

Why don't you just stop calling people insane a**hole! For some of us it is the principal of getting a product intact; especially since it is not a cheap part. We all understand once it is installed, it is going to get banged up.

Would you take delivery of a new car if it had scratches even though eventually it is going to happen?

marc1119 made some good points. I could have cared less if the DSB was under $100.

So Joe, do us a favor and shut the f*ck up. :mad:

BSH
06-10-2004, 04:24 PM
Would you take delivery of a new car if it had scratches even though eventually it is going to happen?

So Joe, do us a favor and shut the f*ck up. :mad:

That's EXACTLY the example I was going to use, Barry. Thanks for beating me to it.

Joe...I keep my car in pristine condition...both mechanically and cosmetically. It's a summer car so it sees no rain.

I don't give a rat's ass if this part is not visible. I still KNOW that I paid good money for a cheaply finished item!

If you like buying beat-up or cheaply finished products that are BRAND NEW, then that's your business. Don't comment on my preferences.

Chongus
06-10-2004, 04:34 PM
Update: Jon has been more than cool on offering a replacement. It is that I just do not want to spend anymore money on shipping and I do not want to wait.

About 70% of the black paint on my DSB was gone when I received it. Most of the paint chips are still in the box. To say the least, it really pissed me off. I have a bare piece of metal with a dinged up AA plaque.

Am I happy for $175 + CA sales tax, NO
Am I happy with Jon's service, YES.

AA can go suck a penis for all I care.

marc1119
06-10-2004, 04:51 PM
You guys are killing each other over nothing. The bracket fits nicely and is well engineered. If it keeps my diff bolt from breaking, I couldn't care less if it was painted at all. The paint means dittley-squat. I would hardly call this part a cosmetic part. :)

What I find ironic is that when the GB was offered, everyone wanted one, Thanked AA for thinking of this WELL NEEDED part and applauded Jon Caldito about the price. Horror stories were told about numerous diff bolt breakages and the cost associated with removing the broken bolt. Everyone wanted a DSB right away.
Now AA can suck D%ck because the paint on them is coming off? Anybody reading these threads who do not understand how ANAL we BMW owners can be, must think we are the biggest bunch of spoiled babies on earth!!!

I say enjoy your bracket, paint it again or do not paint it again, it is up to you, but put it on your car and be happy you have it, because their is only a very few of us that do. :)

BSH
06-10-2004, 05:05 PM
You guys are killing each other over nothing. The bracket fits nicely and is well engineered. If it keeps my diff bolt from breaking, I couldn't care less if it was painted at all. The paint means dittley-squat. I would hardly call this part a cosmetic part. :)

What I find ironic is that when the GB was offered, everyone wanted one, Thanked AA for thinking of this WELL NEEDED part and applauded Jon Caldito about the price. Horror stories were told about numerous diff bolt breakages and the cost associated with removing the broken bolt. Everyone wanted a DSB right away.
Now AA can suck D%ck because the paint on them is coming off? Anybody reading these threads who do not understand how ANAL we BMW's can be must think we are the biggest bunch of spoiled babies on earth!!!

I say enjoy your bracket, paint it again or do not paint it again, it is up to you, but put it on your car and be happy you have it, because their is only a very few of us that do. :)
First of all, I was NOT in a hurry to get this part.

I made this very clear when the 1st thread was posted about the eventual release of this product. Although this is a clever and useful part for our cars, I feel that the asking price of $199 was ridiculous. If you want to read details of that argument, go check out that thread:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=203017&page=2&pp=25&highlight=AA%2A

Bottom line...I'll support the vendor who put the intellectual effort and time into developing a good product.

The ONLY reason I pulled the trigger on this was Jon's impressive introductory price....it was now enough reason to support AA's efforts.

However, if AA can't put the necessary and trivial finishing touches on their functionally-sound product, then I should have just waited for another company who would offer an "improved" version for less.

marc1119
06-10-2004, 05:13 PM
Benji, from your point of view, I agree with your thoughts. :)
But I have to say in defense of AA(not that they need my defense), alot of people called AA and Jon Caldito to, including myself, to find out when these little brackets were going to be available.I got a feeling there was a RUSH put on getting these out the door for the DSB hungry folks screaming for them.

Now I got mine direct from AA,I think I got the first one they shipped. Mine was flawless as it came in a well packed individual box.
But the ones Jon got probaly came 30-40 in one box to California clanging into each other for 3000 miles, and then back across the country in Jon Calditos packaging again.

I am just not sure AA can be blamed for the prep of the brackets and not just the shipping packaging of them. :)

Chongus
06-10-2004, 05:14 PM
Marc,

I understand your view completely. For me it is just a matter of principal. Quit that mentality of "you get what you get."

Anyways, I'm done with this. I don't need to argue anymore and my opinion stands.

BSH
06-10-2004, 05:18 PM
We're all cool then. :)

One thing's for sure....we can't argue the fact that Jon is a straight-up guy! :buttrock

marc1119
06-10-2004, 05:24 PM
Chongus, I am the LAST person to feel, "you get what you get"! :)
I am as fussy as the next guy. But this is a bracket under the car that keeps your diff bolt from bending or breaking. Nothing more , nothing less. :)
I do not remember anyone advertising it as "BLING BLING"!! :)

jmargo
06-10-2004, 05:26 PM
Wow, didn't mean for the paint prep thing to blow up like it did. I was already planning to pull it this summer, bead blast it and paint it a different color anyway.

BSH
06-10-2004, 05:27 PM
I do not remember anyone advertising it as "BLING BLING"!! :)
Wait a minute, Marco....so that AA plaque that says, "for racing use only" isn't BLING?

Who's going to see that when the DSB is installed? :stickoutt

themadhatter
06-10-2004, 05:27 PM
fellas - I can understand the issues at hand here but I urge EVERYONE to please avoid personal attacks on each other.

-Ron

Chongus
06-10-2004, 05:29 PM
Wow, didn't mean for the paint prep thing to blow up like it did. I was already planning to pull it this summer, bead blast it and paint it a different color anyway.


I'm probably going to bite the bullet and have mine powder coated. :)

It is that I did not expect this shoddy paint job from AA. I figured thay were going to powder coat them black for the price we are paying.

marc1119
06-10-2004, 05:29 PM
Good point Benji. :)
But ... I am sure the placque is more of a DISCLAIMER than BLING!!!! :)

jmargo
06-10-2004, 10:19 PM
I'm probably going to bite the bullet and have mine powder coated. :)



Ahhhhhh....powder coat. Thats a great Idea. Won't have to worry about chipping and rust.

Chongus
06-10-2004, 11:16 PM
Ahhhhhh....powder coat. Thats a great Idea. Won't have to worry about chipping and rust.


I think it will be a good idea. The AA badge will have to go, but I think I can get it powdercoated cheap. I'm just not sure what color. My buddy suggested yellow, but I think I will stay with black or maybe red.

My DSB is chipped so badly that I'm sure it will rust soon after I install it. The loose pinch bolt I think scraped it up during shipment. There is still one big piece of chipped paint in the shipping box.

C///M
06-10-2004, 11:27 PM
Received mine today. It's pretty badly chipped, but I'm not too worried...I'll just repaint it. Thanks for the GB, Jon!

Slowpoke
06-11-2004, 12:45 AM
Thanks Jon for the PM saying you would take care of me. I've decided to keep it otherwise and have enjoyed dealing with you. We all make mistakes and your sense of urgency really regained my confidence in your service.

Yes, I'm a bit bummed about the condition of the plate but as other's have stated, it's more of a functional item than cosemtic. No hard feelings.

ADVANT123
06-11-2004, 04:40 PM
I received my AA DSB today and my DSB's paint was also chipped, but only slight. No big deal in my opinion, but I think AA should definitely address this on their next production run.

943184dr
06-11-2004, 04:45 PM
got mine in yesterday, yeah its chipped but i got a good deal on it and it doesn't bother me. I'll probably just have it powerderd coated along with all the other stuff i'm going to have done in the rear susp. thanks jon :buttrock

Tom

Balthazarr
06-11-2004, 10:31 PM
How much would this cost to powdercoat (avg in so cal) and what colors available?

BSH
06-14-2004, 02:01 AM
I finally got a chance to see my DSB and it's in fairly rough shape.

Thanks for letting me exchange this DSB for another one, Jon. :)

(I just emailed you)

jmargo
06-14-2004, 11:38 AM
For those of us going to powdercoat these will AA be willing to send us replacement plaques.

943184dr
06-14-2004, 01:24 PM
For those of us going to powdercoat these will AA be willing to send us replacement plaques.

Does the plaque have to be replaced when you get it powdercoated? if so then i do want one.

Thanks
Tom

Scho
06-16-2004, 12:53 AM
Mine has just a few small scratches. Are you guys really worried about something you wont see? Mine looks fine! Thanks Jon!!!

themadhatter
06-16-2004, 03:52 AM
now I'm curious, don't take this as an offensive post; why would you want a new badge that states "for racing use only" for your car? is it for bragging rights when you've got it up on a lift (only way it'll be seen) or is it to protect AA in case the piece fails and causes you to wreck?

If these things are worth money, I'm gonna pry mine off and throw it on ebay. :D

-Ron

C///M
06-16-2004, 06:05 AM
Mine has just a few small scratches. Are you guys really worried about something you wont see? Mine looks fine! Thanks Jon!!!

Mine has large areas where the paint has chipped away. I'm not so worried about looks as much as rusting of the steel.

But, like I said, I'm just going to repaint it and it'll be fine. I'm not going to lose any sleep if I lose the AA badge, either.

Balthazarr
06-18-2004, 05:34 AM
Stripped mine. Placed tape over the plate.
Getting pcoated for $45 and plate will probably end up in my drawer.

Chongus
06-18-2004, 05:40 AM
what color P-coat are u doing> Who is doing it for u? just curious...

Balthazarr
06-21-2004, 01:11 AM
Sorry Barry, haven't been to this forum for a couple of days.
I bought some Aircraft stripper and set to removing paint.
I can have it powdercoated any color I want.
Not sure of the name of the company as they appeared to have changed the name on the building, but the old was nearly as prominent.
Anyway, i believe the company name is Worco Pcoating or something like that I can't remember exactly. Tony Pisano is the owner. He's one who does a lot of pro racer parts.
The owner just told me to strip it and save a few bucks on blasting.
Honestly, taking the old off was a pita and it still isn't finished. What's left I'll take off with my Dremel then polish it and take it in.
The AA plate is glued on and even though i covered it with tape, it fell off.
So anyone who wants to replace the plate on the DSB can do so easily.
I think I'll put mine on my hockey helmet where all my other stickers go. lol

Balthazarr
06-21-2004, 01:14 AM
Forgot... safety yellow to match my konis. :laugh

Chongus
06-21-2004, 03:06 AM
I said screw it and repainted my DSB today and installed it. It was a bitch....drilled the holes and things did not line up. I had to beat that sucker in with a rubber mallet. I did get it to fit correctly, but it was a 2+ hrs install rather than the 30 min AA states. I can care less about the finish now since I'm just happy to have gotten the sucker installed. I'm off for my test drive and will reprt later.

Chongus
06-21-2004, 03:49 AM
I just got back from a test drive...I LOVE THIS MOD!

The response from shifting had dramatically improved. Launces are more defined and shifting response it impressive.

I was having so much fun, I did not notice the cop following me...but, he was my buddy and he laughed since I slowed down so fast. he told me to slow down and that I owe him a dozen donuts and a ride on his day off.

I'm happy with this mod :)

Thanks Jon and AA. I can give a crap about the finish. This is a very functional mod!

Post your results I wanna hear them.

sergs99m3
06-22-2004, 09:08 PM
I love mine!

Balthazarr
06-27-2004, 09:21 PM
I tried installing mine today. Everything seemed fine. Drilled
the holes first with a 1/4 " bit and followed up with a slightly larger one to enlarge the holes.
Test fitted the inner bracket to the holes with the bolts.Supported the diff with my fjack so it wouldn't move.
Took out the 18 mm diff bolt and did a test fit.
When I went to place the main body on the carrier, it wouldn't fit.
Damn...what did I do wrong?
Had a hunch... went to the rear and looked at the bushing. The diff had shifted upward about 1/4 inch so it was readily apparent this bracket was not going on.
Now my main concern was just getting the bolt back in so I could drive the car.
About an hour later after trying every type of lever i could devise (even used a mic stand without the base which was no help bc I was on my back and the damn thing was too long), socket extension, sliding T- wrench, broom handle, mallet handle and nothing worked well enough to move the diff back.
Finally, took the handle from my old Wilmer fjack in the garage and managed to put it back into positon.
Put the old bolt back in. Cleaned up, took a shower and left bc I had less than an hour to get to an appt.
Now I know not to support the diff too tightly when removing the bolt so i will try again tomorrow.
I can't see any other reason for the shift.
F****d up my beautiful pcoating in a couple of spots where it was jammed against the carrier.