I first ran against a new 911 Turbo. You know the one that has AWD and is insanely fast. Well I know I did not stand a chance but I just wanted to see that car take off. Needless to say he distroyed me. But man, what a beautiful and extremely fast car. I fishtailed alot around a corner and he stuck like glue and just dissapeared.:clap: I have to give that car mad props.


Later on, My friend and I were leaving the Car Show and I saw an S4 in front of me with a plate that said "NVR LIFT" so immeditily I thought it was on. I have not had a chance to race anything since I got my mods installed so I know it would be close. We were at a light making a left hand turn. We both gunned it at the start and I fishtailed like crazy around the turn ( I was practically perpendicular to the road and still saved it :D ) . Any way he got a couple of car lenghts on me during my sideways detour but once I got it staighten out I smashed the throttle and caught him. By this time we were on a long on ramp sweeper doing about 80+. I could see that he was having trouble around the turn and I was stuck like glue. As the turn straighten out I walked him down, even w/ a passenger.:buttrock

Well, I surprised the crap out of that S4 owner. He most have "never lift" on his plate because he has to keep it floored in order to go anywhere lol:laugh .

Well, that was my first race with ECIS CAI, AA chip, and Supersprint exhaust and the car sounded mean as hell during those runs, GOTTA LOV IT.:clap:

Nice run you had there with the S4. Did you notice a big difference with your mods? Plus, pretty ballsy running with that Porsche 911 Turbo. That's my dream car, though. :) Good post.

Yea, I am not afraid of any race. Especially ones I know I can not win. It was just nice to see an owner of a 120+ K car actually use it. Great machine.

I am going to do some runs with my GTECH Pro to see what actual difference the mods made. I screwed around with it the other day and got atleast 20 extra HP's on a major incline with the gtech. I am going back to the spot were I did my baseline runs to see what the ACTUAL difference is.

I did notice a difference with the butt dyno though. I think the mod that made the most difference is the CAI. Also, It made the car sound GREAT TOO. I highly recommend the 3 combo that I did, well worth it and it is diffently good for a couple million :D :D :D :D :D .....

Well, I surprised the crap out of that S4 owner. He most have "never lift" on his plate because he has to keep it floored in order to go anywhere lol:laugh .

Well, that was my first race with ECIS CAI, AA chip, and Supersprint exhaust and the car sounded mean as hell during those runs, GOTTA LOV IT

Ok, first of all never lift means don't take your foot off the gas in a turn! cause it actually reduces traction to the wheels! The guy was probably an experienced driver.

second I don't know what kind of cars you guys are driving cause as I pointed out before, owning both an m3 and an s4, there is NO WAY IN HELL YOU ARE GOING TO CATCH UP TO AN S4 WITH YOUR MODS UP TO 80. maybe I am reading this wrong but your car is not going to catch a car that fast that has a couple of car legnths on you just not gonna happen unless he backed off!

sorry to flame but also trying not to live in fantasy land

From my experience, the S4 has a good 0-60 because of the AWD launch. My car now has more hp and is lighter than a stock S4. So after 1st gear I can catch one. I did not blow him away but I can diffenitly take one from a rolling start.

OK, maybe he let up a little after my fishtailing, but the second run when I was right behind him in the long sweeper I definitly took him from 70 to 100. That is a fact!!!!!!!!!!

I know the S4 is a fast car and I respect the hell out of them cause I almost bought one. But they are not GOD on wheels. Oh and btw, it was a JOKE about NEVER LIFT. It is much easier to stick on the gas with AWD. Hence my tailhappy rear end and lead foot.

I am not going to fight with you about whihc car is faster but my 95 dinan m3, CAI, stage 2 chip, larger throttle body, bigger injectors and cat back exhaust IS SLOWER than my stock s4 at any speed, period amen end of story SORRY. stock s4 runs low 14's high 13's I have yet to see a e36 m3 do that without major work! that is too even with the car you described for you to pull that much on him at any speed below 110!! Chipped s4 repeatedly run LOW 13 1/4 miles.

I have run both cars against each other many times, switching drviers etc.

My chipped s4 is faster than my friends 95 m3 with a 3.2 97 m3 engine in it, CAI, tms chip, throttle body and exhuast!

Guys this is too even of a race for anyone to make up more than a car legnth in a short race, just not gonna happen on either side.

I do not doubt the power of a chipped S4. Chipping a turbo car produces tremendous gains compared to a NA car. I know from experiences with 944 turbos.

Well maybe the guy could not drive or did not completely push it 100% like I did, it seemed to me like he was though. All I know was I thought is was a good run and I was able to pull on him. Due to the lack of a video camera and comments from the S4 driver I quess we will leave it at that.

E36 M3's do run low 14's, high 13's... I know a M3 could keep up with, or even pass a S4...they are not that fast. Chip this, boost that, maybe you think it's faster. . . .:nono:
Car and Driver:

1995 M3

1/4 14.2 @ 98mph

0-60 5.5sec

Faster than a S4.

Originally posted by oldM3r
stock s4 runs low 14's high 13's I have yet to see a e36 m3 do that without major work! that is too even with the car you described for you to pull that much on him at any speed below 110!! Chipped s4 repeatedly run LOW 13 1/4 miles.


A stock E36 M3 is a 14 flat car, although most people on this board only achieve 14.2-14.3. I believe a couple of folks on this board have achieved a 13.9 with the standard i/c/e mods with a shortshifter. So I don't understand how a Dinan M3 cannot keep up with a stock S4. Unless by Dinan you don't mean supercharger?

I raced an S4... I won (even with the stereo in the trunk).

Originally posted by Kevlar
I raced an S4... I won (even with the stereo in the trunk).

[homer voice]mmmmmm...M Power[/homer voice]

I thought the 1/4 numbers for stock vs. stock were close, so a modded car with more power and less weight should win, right.

Originally posted by Kevlar
I raced an S4... I won (even with the stereo in the trunk).

Listen Again for those of you who don't speak english! The cars stock vs stock are very even!! one is not going to pull several car legnths on the other in a race to 80 given remotely equal drivers!

For the newbie member I don't appreciate the flame at all, I have been driving manual for longer than most of you on this board have been walking.

If you think the s4 is easy to launch you have another thing coming bogging an awd car is very easy, the m3 IS MUCH easier to get off the line for a beginer.

also from C&D
265 hp from a twin-turbo 2.7-liter V-6, all-wheel drive, a six-speed gearbox, 0 to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds, a top speed of 155.

Originally posted by ///Mracer
I thought the 1/4 numbers for stock vs. stock were close, so a modded car with more power and less weight should win, right.

Generally speaking, I'd tend to think so. ;)

Originally posted by oldM3r
also from C&D
265 hp from a twin-turbo 2.7-liter V-6, all-wheel drive, a six-speed gearbox, 0 to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds, a top speed of 155.

Huh? I thought it was 250hp. Which C&D is this? :95

Originally posted by Rel44 M3


A stock E36 M3 is a 14 flat car, although most people on this board only achieve 14.2-14.3. I believe a couple of folks on this board have achieved a 13.9 with the standard i/c/e mods with a shortshifter. So I don't understand how a Dinan M3 cannot keep up with a stock S4. Unless by Dinan you don't mean supercharger?

um nope no super charger for me just enough mods to get a badge, thought i listed the go fast ones

Originally posted by Rel44 M3


Huh? I thought it was 250hp. Which C&D is this? :95

Just got it off the web from th Feb 2000 review, want the link? I think audi publishes 250hp but the point was someone said the m3 tested at c&d did 5.5 0-60 which was faster than the s4, I was just disbuting that with C&D info.

Bottom line the cars are both fast and the driver is going to make the difference. I just have a problem with people thinking they pulled 3 cars legnths on someone in a race to 80. rubs me the wrong way, why do people need to exhagerate(SIC)

Actually, yeah, do you have the link to that? I was just surprised that maybe there was a higher rated S4 now or something, because I hadn't heard of it. :dunno

Thats it. This place is too tense, sorry for posting my experience against an S4. Both cars are fast, both cars are nice, both cars are very different, etc.....

I guess I will keep my races to myself :(

This thread is getting hostile and is all of about 2 posts away from being locked. :cop:

Originally posted by ///Mracer
Thats it. This place is too tense, sorry for posting my experience against an S4. Both cars are fast, both cars are nice, both cars are very different, etc.....

I guess I will keep my races to myself :(

the general unwarranted hate for the s4 as evidenced by some guy saying a retard could drive the s4 fast just annoys the shit out of me I was pushing you on your experience because you seemed to be alittle inexperienced at racing (track) maybe not street and felt that the story was imbelished Sorry! I enjoy hearing about kill stories but would rather have them be more factual than alot of the ones I read on this board. Please post more just keep things in moderation. Sorry for getting fiesty its a real bad day at work. PEACE.

Originally posted by oldM3r


the general unwarranted hate for the s4 as evidenced by some guy saying a retard could drive the s4 fast just annoys the shit out of me

Understandable, I got into a little bit of a heated debate with him, too. ///Mracer, please do keep posting your stories, especially if you race more Porsches. :D

I first ran against a new 911 Turbo....

Man, I am still looking for that unicorn to gauge my car against.

I am not going to fight with you about whihc car is faster but my 95 dinan m3, CAI, stage 2 chip, larger throttle body, bigger injectors and cat back exhaust IS SLOWER than my stock s4 at any speed, period amen end of story SORRY....

S4's??? :embarrasm :rolleyes: NEXT PLEASE!!! Audi = Volkswagen= Audi (remember that from school, if a=b and b=c, then a=c; yeah, I am a nerd, so sue me!!!) Before you go admitting that you own an S4 you should do one of these first
----> :baghead

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just some healthy competition here, no need to get hostile :12: :stickoutt :D

long history here I guess P cars are just volkswagons too!

I love my m3 but the s4 really rocks too!

Heh, he's just playing with you, OldM3r. I like the S4's very much too.

will be saying that bimmers are just bigger mini's! cute car but...

anyone know where I can get a cheap e30 to race?

long history here I guess P cars are just volkswagons too!

CORRECT!!! Porsche = The Enemy




will be saying that bimmers are just bigger mini's! cute car but...

No, they're just airplanes without wings flying really low :D :stickoutt

Originally posted by oldM3r

also from C&D
265 hp from a twin-turbo 2.7-liter V-6, all-wheel drive, a six-speed gearbox, 0 to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds, a top speed of 155.

That quote from C&D was written in 1998 before the car even hit US shores...

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/1998/February/199802_minitest_audi_s4.xml?Manufacturer=Audi&Name=S4&class=43

I almost bought an S4, but shy'd away from the reliability issues(There is a reason Audi is dumping the 2.7T in the new S4), Audi=VW=Audi looks, and the isolated/removed driving experience...

You done suspension work to your S4? Cuz the '00 I drove was in dire need of losing the A4 feel...

but have done no other suspension work and the car is totally fine on the track! body roll and cornering ability are greatly affected by the drivers skill. I have trounced all sorts of "better handling cars" on the track at Pocono and Lime Rock, including m3's

not to dis the m3's all the performance in a car is great being able to use it is another thing.

Calm down everyone. . . Yeah oldrm3, the personal attack is unwarrented. I'll take care of it. But everyone, just relax, aight?

we got alittle frenzied but I think we resolved this peacefully, aleast most of us!

It'd be nice to have an S4 and an M3 in the same stable, like you have, OldM3r. Then I'd have a better perspective about the differences between the two.

Yes. . . it is now.
We did, so its cool now.
Just dont make knee-jerk posts anyone. Think first. I'm not having a great a day, dont make it worse :nono

Anyway take care all:wave: :wave:

I never got an S4 on the track...Just around town...Felt like I was driving w/ gloves on...
I'll be really curious to see what the next Gen S4 will look like...Hopefully they'll follow BMW in making the S4 more distinct like the E46 M3....I knew there was a problem when I had a hard time picking the S4 out of a lineup of A4s and Passats...A hot n/a engine would be nice too..

So any word on what engine they ARE going to throw into the next S4? Or is that old news? Please fill me in. :)

and haven't knock on wood had any problems! I like the fact that when driving the black s4 a cop isn;t going to pick my dakar yellow m3 out of a pack of sedans when I blow by him at 85. the sleeper thing works well for me! but I am older than most here.

The only way I can try to describe the suspension is that on the road it is kind of luxourious (read stale) but on the track it is very predictable and stable, not to mention awd suprising the hell out of people when I am on the throttle well before they are!

The car is very capable but not as capable as the m3 IN THE RIGHT HANDS! ask the guy who won the autocross nationals in one! (granted a modded one)

Originally posted by Rel44 M3
So any word on what engine they ARE going to throw into the next S4? Or is that old news? Please fill me in. :)

just rumors, prob not gonna be a 2003 model we'll see about 2004:dunno

I like the S4s myself.. Its a concideration I wouldnt pass on for my next car.. Lets see what the next gen S4 does.. :)

Im glad this got settled peacefully.. :)

Lots of rumors...Most are saying V8 or W8 w/ 300+ hp capable of hanging w/ the E46...

Originally posted by Rel44 M3
So any word on what engine they ARE going to throw into the next S4? Or is that old news? Please fill me in. :)

need alot more than 300+ hp to hang with a e46!!

Mine has about 325 give or take a few and I can't hang with the new beast sooo

unless it is more like 350hp and much lighter the new m3 is still gonna be faster!

your reply was deleted(you know who you are)
one more personal attack, and this thread is gone.

Originally posted by oldM3r
need alot more than 300+ hp to hang with a e46!!

Mine has about 325 give or take a few and I can't hang with the new beast sooo

unless it is more like 350hp and much lighter the new m3 is still gonna be faster!

Deff more than 300...I just said 300+ because I have no idea...Releasing a new S4 that can't roll w/ a 3 year old M3 is bad business, but according to this article that's just what they're doing...Kiss those turbos and cheap hp goodbye...:wave: :wave:

Audi's new S4 is set to take on the BMW M3 and Mercedes C32 AMG - it will produce around 340 bhp from a version of the same 40-valve 4.2 V8 that is fitted to the S6, engineered by Cosworth. This is said to be capable of 0-60 acceleration in 5.2 seconds. However, that's not all: an even more powerful version, to be badged RS4, is said to be on the way a couple of years further down the line.

From : http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=240&storyid=1235

Deff not gospel, but pretty interesting...When it really comes down to it..NO ONE KNOWS...Audi hasn't made a peep...All just speculation..

I wonder if that RS4 will be available here in the States. Hmmm, if the S4 is not released yet, and the RS4 will be released a couple years after, then the RS4 might be introduced toward the end of the life cycle of the E46 M3.

I'd buy an RS4- those things rule.