This came out of the blue. I was cruising tonight tryiong to find someone to take some agression out on after the t-wolves blew it tonight. i was at TGIF where my GF works. I had been riding around for about 30mins. when I come up to the light and decide to take it in... noone anywhere to be found. I look over and i see a pumpkin orange protege...MAZDASPEED!! :D I raced one before and thought it would be nice to take him out.

Light turns green and we both casually take off. We are going down the access road and He takes off. I quickly pursue him and in no time we were side by side, but it took a little effort. We get on the freeway and we get side by side at about 65 and go WOT. I get a good jump on him and ease out about a car...WHAT?? I can't pull anymore than that? I pull about another car up to the gov point and shut it down. I can't believe it? I can't pull more than a car? He pulls up to me nad is smiling ear to ear and screaming..."140mph" I am like yeah ok. Thsi guy just seemed happy to stay close to me.

I ask if his car is stock and says yes. I ask if he wants to go again...he agrees

This is embarrasing... We go from 55 WOT and we are dead even I have to shift to 3rd at 65 and this guy EDGES AHEAD!!! At this time my front bumper is at his front wheel. I make up that pull quickly and even out. I shut it down a little early as we were approaching 100. If we would have kept going I would've edged it out, but man. I didn't know those things were that quick. I heard that most of them were rather slow. I heard that the build quality was inconsistent on the turbo system. This guy definitely had one of the better ones.

He rolled down his window after the second race and said..."man that car is quick". I gave him the same respect. He was yelling the whole time like he just made a jumper in the NBA finals to win it all...It was sort like a... WOOO HOOO!!! HE KEPT SAYING HELL YEAH!!! It was kind of funny. I still didn't think it was that quick. It was rather cool tonight... does that make a difference on a turbo car? I know it does on supercharged ones. That little car was quick. :confused:

was he going woo hoo or woo woo?

Those things are pretty slow man...stock ones can only run 0-60 in high 7s...I can see why hes so happy when he kept up with you.

They're slow from 0-60 due to FWD, but they,re decent after that.

Finally, someone else than me fares not that good with a 2.8.

Joking aside, good runs. I'll bet 5$ that he wasn't stock, though. As sad as I am to admit it, our cars are no longer among the fastest among the car chain. SRT-4s, Turbo Protegés, Chipped 1.8ts, all can hand us our a$$es if driven properly (except the Neon, who can rapes us day in day out).

Nice kill!

At least you won't get flagged on this one. :stickoutt

Those things are pretty slow man...stock ones can only run 0-60 in high 7s...I can see why hes so happy when he kept up with you.


but they raced starting at 60 and the other time from 55 so i think 0-60 time was not an accurate way of gauging how fast a car is especially on turbo cars.

When the car came out I think car and driver had it at a 14.8 in the quarter?!! I have raced one before and it was not close to this one. In the other race I missed 3rd and still pulled once I finally got in gear. It was like racing a 330 until we hit triple digits, then it was see ya! Once I hit 4th you could tell I was going to pull away. It is a light car with a soso turbo. I was on the mazda boards and some of them are in the high 13s with a boost controller and a few other mods? Most of them claim they are the 14s stock. Maybe he wasn't stock? I think he was though. the race would have been about right if they run high 14s. Not bad looking either!!!

but they raced starting at 60 and the other time from 55 so i think 0-60 time was not an accurate way of gauging how fast a car is especially on turbo cars.


Did he fair better because of the cool weather? It was about 67 degrees when we raced. Or does that just pertinent to superchargers?

any FI (supercharged or turbocharged) cars will run much better on a cold weather. heck, any car will run better but in your case since you said it was only 67 deg. i don't think it made any difference maybe a little if any.

any FI (supercharged or turbocharged) cars will run much better on a cold weather. heck, any car will run better but in your case since you said it was only 67 deg. i don't think it made any difference maybe a little if any.

so FI cars run better in cold weather. But you said you don't think it made :confused: that much of a difference in this case? Why wouldn't it have made a difference? Just curious :confused:

Because 67 is not cool weather. 40 is.

You almost got zoom zoomed by a boosted pumpkin.

Almost is the key word.

Because 67 is not cool weather. 40 is.


In Texas in May 67 is cold!!! It was too cool to race with the window down. We are wimps in Texas when it comes to cold weather... espcially in San Antonio. I had the shivers.HEHEHE!!!! :D

In Texas in May 67 is cold!!! It was too cool to race with the window down. We are wimps in Texas when it comes to cold weather... espcially in San Antonio. I had the shivers.HEHEHE!!!! :D

The turbo doesn't know if it's cold «for Texas» :D . He just knows it ain't cold enough. Heck, in 67 degree weather I put the top down.

Weird.... the e36 328is should do 0-60mph in 6.4secs (E46 is 6.6secs-heavier). If Protege runs highs 7s it just means he's a better driver than you :)

shmoo, if you're gonna insist on magazine racing, I've read 0-60 times for a 328 at 6.2, and the for E46 330's anywhere from 5.6 (zhp), 5.8 (xi) to 5.9 (Ci)...

See how useless magazine racing is? ;)

If the temp is anywhere from 35-45'F. I will get an additional 2-3 psi increase in pressure over a 70'F day. 2 pounds of pressure can make a HUGE difference. (Especially since the intercooler will cool the charge even better at low temps.)

In 30 deg weather I'd bet my old 323 GTX made 50 more hp than what it would make in the summer. I gtech'd a 1/4 mile in 40 deg air @ mid 14's. In winter time it'd run 2-3 pounds more boost than summer (18 v 15).

shmoo, if you're gonna insist on magazine racing, I've read 0-60 times for a 328 at 6.2, and the for E46 330's anywhere from 5.6 (zhp), 5.8 (xi) to 5.9 (Ci)...

See how useless magazine racing is? ;)

And if this was true, how come the 400 or so pounds lighter Z3 2.8 be only rated at 6.3 on the 0-60? Makes no sense...

Gearing?:dunno

I've seen 6.0 for the Z3 2.8, and 5.8 for the Z3 3.0....

And from my first hand experience, the ZHP isn't quite a quick as the Z3 3.0 (both OEM) in the 1/4 mile... My Z3 3.0 bone stock had about 2 tenths on my ZHP, and I needed 4th gear in the Z3, an extra shift (the ZHP finishes the 1320 in 3rd gear)....

I miss my 328. :(

Good kill :)

Weird.... the e36 328is should do 0-60mph in 6.4secs (E46 is 6.6secs-heavier). If Protege runs highs 7s it just means he's a better driver than you :)


0-60 times are nothing more than how good you can launch a car,traction, and # of times needed to shift before 60. I have seen anywhere from 6.0 -6.6 for a 328is. NONE of the guys in the mazda forum will say they are high 7s. That turbo takes a little time to spool, but not that much. I know he was at the right peak when we raced. Nice little car. 0-60 had nothing to do with it. We went at it from a roll and that thing had no lag what so ever!!! Anyway I think the MZP ws more like 6.7-7.1 secs 0-60. :) It would almost have to be in this range to run 14s in the 1/4. HE SURE COULD DRIVE THOUGH!!!

It was rather cool tonight... does that make a difference on a turbo car? I know it does on supercharged ones. That little car was quick. :confused:
Too cold is bad. Too hot is bad.

Too cold is bad. Too hot is bad.


that is what I thought. It was a cool 67. It was probably more like 62-63. I was just going by what my car said the temp was. It felt cooler though

shmoo, if you're gonna insist on magazine racing, I've read 0-60 times for a 328 at 6.2, and the for E46 330's anywhere from 5.6 (zhp), 5.8 (xi) to 5.9 (Ci)...

See how useless magazine racing is? ;)


I know. I'm just using it as a gage in a general situation . I know there are the stock factors such as:-

1) Dumping clutch at high RPMs
2) Wheel spin/ wet roads
3) Altitude, temperature & wind factor
4) Tire/wheel size/weight, thread wear and compound
5) Stick/auto/steptronic
6) Slipping clutch
7) Shifting way to early/ mishift
8) DSC, traction control on
9) Avoiding porthole/traffic
10) Driver weight

...list goes on and these are only stock to stock car comparison. We haven't even started comparing mods yet!


Gotta start somewhere you know :D

Yeah, but the point is, you can pick times from one rag for one car, and from another rag for another car, etc.... which is useless...

that is what I thought. It was a cool 67. It was probably more like 62-63. I was just going by what my car said the temp was. It felt cooler though

Too hot: defeats the purpose of "intercooling" the turbo. Heat is :evil2 to any engine.

Too Cold: If the air outside is really dense the MAF is affected and you will boost a lower psi than normal (at the same setting - all other things being equal).

63' - 85' is a sweet spot.

Too cold is bad. Too hot is bad.

Too wet and too deep are never an issue... :boink :la:

Too hot: defeats the purpose of "intercooling" the turbo. Heat is :evil2 to any engine.

Too Cold: If the air outside is really dense the MAF is affected and you will boost a lower psi than normal (at the same setting - all other things being equal).

63' - 85' is a sweet spot.

45-75 to me is better because at 85 it's almost summer like temp.

in my turbo miata i would feel a day and night difference when driving it during the day verses the night.


charles

in my turbo miata i would feel a day and night difference when driving it during the day verses the night.


charles

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