Depends if the new exhaust headers arrive.. And the cat convertor will have to arrive in time too..

Today It was a BITCH as far as traction goes!

Sidenote - I leg pressed 820Lbs yesterday and thats 4 days after being shot in the knee! NOT FUCKING BAD! I cant wait to go back!

Sweet. We need pics. LOTS of them.

Originally posted by BimmerDawg
Sweet. We need pics. LOTS of them.

Need?? You aint getting any! This shits staying hidden! I wont even pop the hood... :mad:

Okay, why? You HAVE to show something like that off to us! We're your BF.c buddies. :D

Originally posted by BimmerDawg
Okay, why? You HAVE to show something like that off to us! We're your BF.c buddies. :D

Need to know basis.. you dont need to know! ;)

I cant find my pics of teh stock block

Make up your mind, 2 days ago you were trying to sell it.

Originally posted by Want2race
Sidenote - I leg pressed 820Lbs yesterday and thats 4 days after being shot in the knee! NOT FUCKING BAD! I cant wait to go back!

Wait a minute....you got shot in the knee???

Originally posted by Atl3
Wait a minute....you got shot in the knee???

From Army training.

:confused:

Originally posted by Leif E. Bronn
From Army training.

:nono

Active duty!

Originally posted by Leif E. Bronn
Make up your mind, 2 days ago you were trying to sell it.

I dont have to make it up... I have time on my side!

Originally posted by Atl3
Wait a minute....you got shot in the knee???

He's been shot five times...and he's 19.

And he has a V12 that he won't post pics of.

And he's in "some" foreign country's army.

Okay.

Originally posted by BimmerDawg
He's been shot five times...and he's 19.

And he has a V12 that he won't post pics of.

And he's in "some" foreign country's army.

Okay.

Ill show Leif.. we went to HS together. Maybe some others..
Shot @ is not the same as shot.. First time ive been hit somewhere other than the bulletproof jacket.

and you aint seeing pictures if i havent seen the motor yet ;)

"some"- If you knew who i worked for.. It could be a problem.. :dunno

http://www.want2race.net/bulletproof/IM002467.JPG In armour!

I predict it will look something like this :
http://www.punkmiles.blogger.com.br/BMW%20V12%20McLaren%20F1%20Engine.jpg
But SOHC and not such a hi rise manifold ;) waterpump and block is the same essentially

here's the thing. you go around saying all this stuff, but then you won't go into details. just don't say the stuff in the first place and people won't ask you questions.



personally i think you just want the attention.

Originally posted by punknamedjimmy
here's the thing. you go around saying all this stuff, but then you won't go into details. just don't say the stuff in the first place and people won't ask you questions.



personally i think you just want the attention.

thats cool, you keep that thought, still wondering why i dont bother coming to your meets?

Originally posted by Want2race
thats cool, you keep that thought, still wondering why i dont bother coming to your meets?


not really. i've met you before though.

Originally posted by Want2race
thats cool, you keep that thought, still wondering why i dont bother coming to your meets?

I've never wondered before, but now I do. Why?

Who is this guy?

Originally posted by Def
Who is this guy?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares6.jpg

But seriously... why even make a topic like this if you aren't going to say anything else?

Two words-who cares

ok i think i migh have to pull the bs card on this one

i have read your previous threads and this whole thing seemed pretty believable, but come on......a Mclaren F1 engine!!!...i dont know about all that.

You def. need pics to back this one up.

:bs:

Just had to do it, as a preemptive measure.

Apparently V12s can be found relatively cheap in junkyards. :dunno

Yeah esp. ones that come from 1.3 million dollar cars. Plus that engine will drop in real easy since Mclarens are rear engine mounted...his best option is to take out his spare tire and stick the engine where that was then he could tell ppl "yeah, it has a V12 in it."


Originally posted by B17A
Apparently V12s can be found relatively cheap in junkyards. :dunno

Originally posted by ///M3///M5
Yeah esp. ones that come from 1.3 million dollar cars. Plus that engine will drop in real easy since Mclarens are rear engine mounted...his best option is to take out his spare tire and stick the engine where that was then he could tell ppl "yeah, it has a V12 in it." Of course, I was only talking about Mclaren V12s, not the V12s that come in 7 and 8 series engines... :confused:

iys not the mclaren engine! i never said it was.
I said thats a rough idea of what it will look like.
mclarens dohc, mines sohc. that has rising intake stacks, mine is horizontal so it clears the hood.. many differences like that

let's start again.

you have a V12. you have a car.

which V12, which car?

sjd

Originally posted by steved033
let's start again.

you have a V12. you have a car.

which V12, which car?

sjd

BMW V12 from a 750 Its been worked over by A4G motorsports

I have an M coupe.. Its stock besides shocks :)

Originally posted by Want2race
BMW V12 from a 750 Its been worked over by A4G motorsports

I have an M coupe.. Its stock besides shocks :)

You'll excuse us all for being skeptical:

1. You're nineteen and have been in the army what?...two years max? And you say you've been shot five times. Also, you "won't tell" which army you're in.

2. You have a V12 that is putting out somewhere around 700 hp. And you want to sell it. Then you don't. Then you post a picture of a McLaren engine and say it'll look something like this...then you are asked for pics and don't produce. Hell, if I had a V12 ready to be dropped into my M3, I'd show that bitch off!

3. You were shot in the knee but leg-pressed 820 lbs a few days later.

So, again...you'll excuse all of us for being a teencie-bit skeptical.

I'ma have to call BS until you prove me otherwise. If you do that, great, I'll eat my words and aplogize wholeheatedly.

Originally posted by BimmerDawg

I'ma have to call BS until you prove me otherwise. If you do that, great, I'll eat my words and aplogize wholeheatedly.

thats wonderful! I really dont need to impress you..
I'll let Leif tell you about it assuming the headers are ready today!

Originally posted by Want2race
thats wonderful! I really dont need to impress you..
I'll let Leif tell you about it assuming the headers are ready today!


but you obviously do feel you need to impress us, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this.

Originally posted by punknamedjimmy
but you obviously do feel you need to impress us, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this.

Exactly. If you're not going to provide us with info, don't tell us about it, trying to impress us.

And don't say you're not trying to...why else would you tell us?

Man getting shot 5 times by age 19 and owning a V12 and wearing a bulletproof vest. You sound like 50 cent's younger brother. You should start rapping playa.....

http://www.50-cent.us/pictures/0010_0.jpg

:bigun2:

You guys are wearing the same vest.

http://www.want2race.net/bulletproof/IM002466.JPG

You're gonna love it... way more than you hate it.

I thought it was and you should love it, way more then you hate it

-Michael McCoy

I don't know... I don't like 50 Cent.

I got the spirit of the message.

and some more 50 cent trivia for y'all. ;)

what two cars are mentioned in that song?

-Michael McCoy

Only one... a Benz.

True. What's the other.

There is no other mentioned. Hence, "Only one..."

Only one
Lyrics :

[50 Cent]
Go, go, go, go
Go, go, go shawty
It's your birthday
We gon' party like it's yo birthday
We gon' sip Bacardi like it's your birthday
And you know we don't give a fuck
It's not your birthday!

[Chorus] (2x)
You can find me in the club, bottle full of bub
Look mami I got the X if you into taking drugs
I'm into having sex, I ain't into making love
So come give me a hug if you into to getting rubbed

[Verse]
When I pull out up front, you see the Benz on dubs
When I roll 20 deep, it's 20 knives in the club
Niggas heard I fuck with Dre, now they wanna show me love
When you sell like Eminem, and the hoes they wanna fuck
But homie ain't nothing change hold down, G's up
I see Xzibit in the Cutt that nigga roll that weed up
If you watch how I move you'll mistake me for a playa or pimp
Been hit wit a few shells but I dont walk wit a limp
In the hood then the ladies saying "50 you hot"
They like me, I want them to love me like they love 'Pac
But holla in New York them niggas'll tell ya im loco
And the plan is to put the rap game in a choke hold
I'm feelin' focused man, my money on my mind
I got a mill out the deal and I'm still on the grind
Now shawty said she feeling my style, she feeling my flow
Her girlfriend wanna get bi and they ready to go

[Chorus] (2x)

[Bridge]
My flow, my show brought me the doe
That bought me all my fancy things
My crib, my cars, my pools, my jewels
Look nigga I got K-Mart and I ain't change

[Verse]
And you should love it, way more then you hate it
Nigga you mad? I thought that you'd be happy I made it
I'm that cat by the bar toasting to the good life
You that faggot ass nigga trying to pull me back right?
When my junk get to pumpin in the club it's on
I wink my eye at ya bitch, if she smiles she gone
If the roof on fire, let the motherfucker burn
If you talking bout money homie, I ain't concerned
I'm a tell you what Banks told me cause go 'head switch the style up
If the niggas hate then let 'em hate
Watch the money pile up
Or we go upside there wit a bottle of bub
You know where we fucking be

[Chorus] (2x)

[Talking]
(laughing) Don't try to act like you ain't know where we been either nigga
In the club all the time nigga, its about to pop off nigga
G-Unit

Own3d.

Lyrics :

When I pull out up front, you see the Benz on dubs
When I roll 20 deep, it's 20 knives in the club
Niggas heard I fuck with Dre, now they wanna show me love
When you sell like Eminem, and the hoes they wanna fuck
But homie ain't nothing change hold down, G's up
I see Xzibit in the Cutt that nigga roll that weed up
If you watch how I move you'll mistake me for a playa or pimp
Been hit wit a few shells but I dont walk wit a limp
In the hood then the ladies saying "50 you hot"
They like me, I want them to love me like they love 'Pac
But holla in New York them niggas'll tell ya im loco
And the plan is to put the rap game in a choke hold
I'm feelin' focused man, my money on my mind
I got a mill out the deal and I'm still on the grind
Now shawty said she feeling my style, she feeling my flow
Her girlfriend wanna get bi and they ready to go


a ha! bitches. who's 0wn3d now? ;)

-Michael McCoy

What the hell is a Cutt? Cutlass? Why would Xzibit be caught dead in a Cutlass even if it was rollin' on 30's?

Bah.

I rescind my owned comment until this issue is clarified.

I had a "Cutlass Salon" in HS. Very pimp. Wanted to make it into a Grand National type car but alas, I donated it. :(

Originally posted by techno550
a ha! bitches. who's 0wn3d now? ;)

-Michael McCoy

That should not read:

"In the Cutt..."

it should read:

"in the cut..."

This is a rap slang expression used widely to mean, "in the background," or "staying low-key" or something to that effect.

Seriously, you're in over your head if you're trying to match wits with me on the subject of hip-hop.

PS -- Besides, "Cutlass" is spelled with one 't', not two.

Thank you, Sir Raps-a-Lot.

Own3d again.

Ron is right. Term is usually used for someone in the background, or around you etc....

You need to read up on your hip hop. I suggest YOU go here.

http://www.rapdict.org/terms/c


CUT
1) (n) A record, the latest hit
2) (n) A recently received haircut.
3) (v) Cutting wax: scratching a record. "Rip the cut!" -- Just Ice (Back to the old school) [198?]
4) (n) Behind, or out of the way. "I glance in the cut and I see my homey Nate" -- Warren G (Regulate [1994]).

So try again. Where is the mention of the 2nd car???

My first car was a '72 cutlass S 442...arrest me red, black top...

it'd own all of you...I was like...I want that girl, that girl and that girl....then I woke up. HA!!! I made a funny.

then I woke up again married with a '67 porsche and a 323 wagon...

Kazzer's "pedal to the metal" lyrics are better.


Like a 454
With the 4 on the floor
Deuce coupe coming at you
Avoiding the capture
Fall from stop and drop
Than we ready to rock
And city of steel
Catch me crusin down the block
Whenever days are difficult
Im out on my own
Driving 86 Jetta
Hoping that I could do better
But my car keeps me humble
In the concrete jungle
Despite the wear and tear
It seems to always get me there

Rebuilt the motor because
She decided to blow
And what do you know
Someone stole my stereo, when it's
Time to go I put my foot on the floor
Let the diesel do the work
I ain't complaining no more
Highways and straighaways
Offroads and open roads
No matter what we will
still be making the show
It's kinda like life
And life treats you good
It's not what's on the outside
It's what's under the hood

[Chorus: 2x]
Put the pedal to the metal and im off and never getting lost
Which way will I turn when roads cross
Press the petal to the metal little more when it's scary
But one thing for sure, keep my foot on the floor

It doesn't matter what you drive
It's like you drive what you got
Discipline you can win
Just let the tire spin
And begin
The journey of life with each ride
Can you help me at the side
On what we wanna ride
Sometimes we can live
(something)
With the back up plan
And in with the program
Who I am, Doesn't reflect material
My vehicle approaches

[Chorus:]
Put the pedal to the metal and im off and never getting lost
Which way will I turn when roads cross
Press the petal to the metal little more when it's scary
But one thing for sure, keep my foot on the floor

Won't stop drivin till it's over
Still be crusin when the sun goes down
Won't stop drivin till it's over
Still be crusin when the sun goes down

[Chorus: 2x]
Put the pedal to the metal and im off and never getting lost
Which way will I turn when roads cross
Press the petal to the metal little more when it's scary
But one thing for sure, keep my foot on the floor

[x2]
Put the pedal to the metal and im off

pedal to the metal and im off




sjd
in the cut.

http://www.patrickrichard.com/videos/review-03/2003_Highlights_sm.mpeg

here's the 2003 patrick richard highlights using the song....

sjd

notice its spelled with a capital C? capital letter? same goes for Benz? Its not the spelling that counts, even with one 't' ... cuz its still rockin that big C...

They are smart enough to capitalize the first letters of proper nouns. Example? Benz. Bacardi. and.... Cut.

-Michael McCoy

Originally posted by techno550
notice its spelled with a capital C? capital letter? same goes for Benz? Its not the spelling that counts, even with one 't' ... cuz its still rockin that big C...

They are smart enough to capitalize the first letters of proper nouns. Example? Benz. Bacardi. and.... Cut.

-Michael McCoy

The lyrics are submitted by people who listen to the songs then take time to write them down, so they are prone to mistakes. The lyrics Dean posted aren't from the inside sleeve of the album, itself.

Trust me, it's "in the cut..." just like I said.

"in the Cutlass..." doesn't make any sense.

You're simply outclassed on this one, I'm afraid. Hold onto your dreams of "two cars" in that song, but you're holding onto an errant perception.

BTW, watching 50 Cent and Beyonce on TRL everyday doesn't make you privvy to hip-hop culture.

everyone together!!!!

OOOOOOOH SLAM!!!!

sjd

Any new news on the yet-to-be-proven-to-exist V12 Z3 from its bullet-riddled and seemingly superhumanly-strong owner?

Just getting it back on topic.:wave:

Originally posted by techno550
notice its spelled with a capital C? capital letter? same goes for Benz? Its not the spelling that counts, even with one 't' ... cuz its still rockin that big C...

They are smart enough to capitalize the first letters of proper nouns. Example? Benz. Bacardi. and.... Cut.

-Michael McCoy

If you watch the video to "In Da club" You see 50 cent raising his arm up/nodding his head to xzibit on the couch when he says the verse I see Xzibit in the Cutt that nigga roll that weed up. I don't recall seeing a Cutlass Supreme parked inside the club on the dancefloor with Xzibit inside it. Just give it up and say you were mistaken.

Originally posted by Ron17
BTW, watching 50 Cent and Beyonce on TRL everyday doesn't make you privvy to hip-hop culture.

That one made me whip this one out...


BLOWED UP!!!


Sorry, Mike.:dunno

Originally posted by Dean
I don't recall seeing a Cutlass Supreme parked inside the club on the dancefloor with Xzibit inside it.

:rofl:

eh, ok, fine. But arguing for the sake of agrument...

"I see Xzibit in the Cutlass that nigga roll that weed up" doesn't make sense?
when he says "when I pull up out front you see the Benz on dubs" it doesn't show the Benz either... and it doesn't show Xzibit smokin weed either. perhaps they felt having to cut to outside a club to show a Benz and a Cutlass would disrupt the flow of a video of a song named *in the club*... :)

-Michael McCoy

Originally posted by techno550
eh, ok, fine. But arguing for the sake of agrument...

"I see Xzibit in the Cutlass that nigga roll that weed up" doesn't make sense?
when he says "when I pull up out front you see the Benz on dubs" it doesn't show the Benz either... and it doesn't show Xzibit smokin weed either. perhaps they felt having to cut to outside a club to show a Benz and a Cutlass would disrupt the flow of a video of a song named *in the club*... :)

-Michael McCoy


In the video Xzibit wasnt smoking weed and the lyrics never said he was smoking it but "rolling it". He was sitting on the couch in the video and you could tell he was doing something(rolling a joint).

damn hippies and your rap music. ;)

speaking of music, DM got all kinds of extra cool points today. They had some kind of atmospheric jungle/acid jazz thing going on during lunch. I havn't quite put my finger on the precise genre what they played would fit into. Oh, and the volume was up a couple of notches too. :)

-Michael McCoy

It was seriously far out...I'm still trippin..

sjd

this thread went from ghey to more ghey.

Originally posted by Ali
this thread went from ghey to more ghey.

True story.

BD? you got something to say, son??

lol!!!

best thread evar.

sjd

*BUMP*

Any pics yet? :laugh

Sorry, I had to.

Originally posted by BimmerDawg
*BUMP*

Any pics yet? :laugh

Sorry, I had to.
I was going to send em to you via DCC on aim..

WAS????? YOU SHOULD POST THEM!!!!!

Originally posted by Want2race
I was going to send em to you via DCC on aim..

Firewall, won't work.

geordie@athensbmw.com

Here are all the pictures i have till i go pick up the engine..
http://www.want2race.net/v12/IM002485.JPGp
Engine b4 being pulled.
http://www.want2race.net/v12/IM002484.JPG
Another of the same type..

http://www.want2race.net/v12/IM002483.JPG
Sitting on the engine builders floor
http://www.want2race.net/v12/IM002482.JPG
Screaming "rebuild me"

http://www.want2race.net/v12/IM002481.JPG
Last one..

More coming as soon as its all buttoned up and ready to go

Looks like a 700 hp monster to me. :dunno

I can find pics like that on the net.....Google Image Search

Show it in the M coupe and all will be good

I could really care less if he drove up in an Mclaren F1. The V12 in an M coupe does not make up for a really bad personality.

3 words....Little Man Syndrome

Originally posted by Sparc_it
3 words....Little Man Syndrome

Wait. When did we start talking about Geordie here? ;)

:laugh

Originally posted by Ron17
Wait. When did we start talking about Geordie here? ;)

Ass.

Originally posted by BimmerDawg
Looks like a 700 hp monster to me. :dunno


Yeah right...

That V12 has 2 valves per cylinder, short intake runnners and will never make 700 bhp.
The McLaren V12 has 4 valves per cylinder and there is no way the V12 on the garage floor will get close.
Those heads simply do not flow enough to hit 700 hp.


I was looking at doing a V12 before starting the Baby project but every one I spoke with told me that a 2 valve per cylinder can NEVER flow the way a 4 valve per cylinder head flows. So we did the V8.
There is a race shop in the ATL area (I have promised not to disclose their name) that sends their work to VAC in Philly.
So far they have sent 4 or 5 V8 blocks but not a V12.

You can count on ONE hand the number of people WORLDWIDE that have the savvy to do a V12 motor. I doubt there is one in Atlanta, but I could be wrong...maybe there is someone in Atlanta that can mod a V12 out to 700 hp...In that case, I'm from Missouri...where are the pics?


As you gentlemen are all aware....
It really doesn't matter how many cylinders, nor how big someone's dick really is...
If you want to make power in a motor The heads must flow to the optimum.


Money talks, bullshit walks...

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
Yeah right...

Money talks, bullshit walks...

Pretty much sums it all up right there.

hmm, in this case more like pics talk...IN the car...HIS car

Bimmerhead is right enough said

//m-zilla i saw you the other night on powers ferry. i woulda said hi, but i never met you the last meet.

I think i might of remembered. Next time I see you I'll flag you over.

look for a stock steel grey 330 that doesnt sound stock :)

Well... since it didn't go in this weekend, I guess we can expect pics of the V-12 install after this coming weekend (since it was last weekend or this weekend that it was going to happen).

Can't wait!

*has the shakes he's so pent up with excitement of pics of the new v12*

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
Yeah right...

That V12 has 2 valves per cylinder, short intake runnners and will never make 700 bhp.
The McLaren V12 has 4 valves per cylinder and there is no way the V12 on the garage floor will get close.
Those heads simply do not flow enough to hit 700 hp.


2 big valves can easily match the required flow of 4 smaller valves. Short intake runners are better for HP than long ones. Long runners are for torque. If it were my buildup, and I wanted lots of HP, the intake runners would likely get shorter. I doubt I'd even keep the stock intake manifolds. each one of those heads would need to flow 350hp worth of air. that seems within the realm of possibility.


I was looking at doing a V12 before starting the Baby project but every one I spoke with told me that a 2 valve per cylinder can NEVER flow the way a 4 valve per cylinder head flows. So we did the V8.
There is a race shop in the ATL area (I have promised not to disclose their name) that sends their work to VAC in Philly.
So far they have sent 4 or 5 V8 blocks but not a V12.


so you've been told it can't be done. thats proof right there... someone said it, it must be true.


You can count on ONE hand the number of people WORLDWIDE that have the savvy to do a V12 motor. I doubt there is one in Atlanta, but I could be wrong...maybe there is someone in Atlanta that can mod a V12 out to 700 hp...In that case, I'm from Missouri...where are the pics?


A V12 is so different than any other motor how? its just like in I6, except two of them. biggest difference is now conn rods are sharing crank journals.... but wait, V8's do that. so its not all that different anyway.


As you gentlemen are all aware....
It really doesn't matter how many cylinders, nor how big someone's dick really is...
If you want to make power in a motor The heads must flow to the optimum.



iirc, the *story* was a ~6L motor making 700 hp in NA form. spreading that load over 12 cylinders. 700hp from 6L isn't some impossible feat. If this is built like a race motor, thats not a terribly uncommon HP figure for that displacement. even NA.

to make power in a NA motor, the heads must flow enough to make that power. what is *optimum* though?

I don't doubt that 700 hp could be made from a V12 with 2 valves per cylinder. Have the crank offset ground, a little overbore, all to get the displacement up a bit. Custom pistons (or just mill the block down a touch) to bump the CR. get it all balanced to death. Bigger valves aren't impossible to come by. You go to real big valves, you'll have to be careful of the valve timing and piston clearance. but still, not impossible.

now I don't think it would last very long, but its doable. It'd be like a 3.0L M20 stroker motor making 350hp. you could make it happen. (would be easier with boost, but you could do it NA if needed.)

as for people that have done a V12 buildup, don't know of any. but people that would be capable of making power from it? there are plenty. (oh, and don't tell the NASCAR boys that you can't make power with a 2 valve per cylinder motor either. They'll disagree as well.)


Money talks, bullshit walks...

quite true

-Michael McCoy

Please don't try to make sense of this douchebag.

I feel as though this want2race dude should give me a call... he seems like a beginner in the BS area.

I should give him some pointers...

:lol:

Nice.

Not trying to make sense out of anything. Just sticking up for the poor defenseless M70.

don't like people saying something is *impossible* because someone told them so. M70 is a perfectly capable platform. Its not used as such because its big and heavy. that and most start with changing what they already have in the car. how many 750iL's show up to track events or autocrosses? Still a plenty capable motor though.

-Michael McCoy

Originally posted by techno550
2 big valves can easily match the required flow of 4 smaller valves. Short intake runners are better for HP than long ones. Long runners are for torque. If it were my buildup, and I wanted lots of HP, the intake runners would likely get shorter. I doubt I'd even keep the stock intake manifolds. each one of those heads would need to flow 350hp worth of air. that seems within the realm of possibility.



so you've been told it can't be done. thats proof right there... someone said it, it must be true.



A V12 is so different than any other motor how? its just like in I6, except two of them. biggest difference is now conn rods are sharing crank journals.... but wait, V8's do that. so its not all that different anyway.




iirc, the *story* was a ~6L motor making 700 hp in NA form. spreading that load over 12 cylinders. 700hp from 6L isn't some impossible feat. If this is built like a race motor, thats not a terribly uncommon HP figure for that displacement. even NA.

to make power in a NA motor, the heads must flow enough to make that power. what is *optimum* though?

I don't doubt that 700 hp could be made from a V12 with 2 valves per cylinder. Have the crank offset ground, a little overbore, all to get the displacement up a bit. Custom pistons (or just mill the block down a touch) to bump the CR. get it all balanced to death. Bigger valves aren't impossible to come by. You go to real big valves, you'll have to be careful of the valve timing and piston clearance. but still, not impossible.

now I don't think it would last very long, but its doable. It'd be like a 3.0L M20 stroker motor making 350hp. you could make it happen. (would be easier with boost, but you could do it NA if needed.)

as for people that have done a V12 buildup, don't know of any. but people that would be capable of making power from it? there are plenty. (oh, and don't tell the NASCAR boys that you can't make power with a 2 valve per cylinder motor either. They'll disagree as well.)



quite true

-Michael McCoy




Geez...

The discussion was about the V12 as it was pictured in his garage NOT the McLaren V12.

As for my project, no one said
"It could not be done"
they said,
"There would be better results from a 4 valve per cylinder set-up".

BTW, There aren't 2 big valves in those heads..there are two SMALL valves in those heads.

Speaking to flow of the heads...the following is an example and I was personally involved...

My M62 4.4L V8 heads flowed at 152 CFM @ .500 valve - STOCK as in "right from the factory".
After porting & polishing by R. W. Whitney in Coatesville, PA (BTW they build small block Chevy motors for a NASCAR team) they flow at 189 CFM @ .500 valve. Mr. Whitney Sr. commented that...
"He had NEVER seen small block (268 cu.in) heads flow like that".

I still maintain that the flow characteristics of the heads of the V12 pictured (NOT the McLaren) will not support 350 bhp per bank.
Think about that...that is more hp than the E46 M3 motor makes WITH 4 valves per cylinder, with vastly superior engine management electronics, AND with VANOS.


Finally,referring to the pic of the McLaren...
If, as you say, working the crank's offset, overboring the cylinders and installing larger valves would be sufficient...
Why did McLaren go to a 4 valve per cylinder set-up WITH the overbore and compression increase?
They didn't have YOUR expertise???:dunno


Face it...
The motor on that garage floor will never see 700 bhp unless it is fitted with intercooled twin turbos...assuming the fellow involved is NOT full of shit in the first place.

Originally posted by techno550
Not trying to make sense out of anything. Just sticking up for the poor defenseless M70.

don't like people saying something is *impossible* because someone told them so. M70 is a perfectly capable platform. Its not used as such because its big and heavy. that and most start with changing what they already have in the car. how many 750iL's show up to track events or autocrosses? Still a plenty capable motor though.

-Michael McCoy



Impossible?

"Plenty capable" is relative...700 bhp is 700 bhp, PERIOD
What "you like" has no bearing on the facts of the matter...

If you want 700 bhp from a V12, you want the McLaren V12 or a copy of it's basic design...

For more on this subject click here (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1981104#post1981104)

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
...assuming the fellow involved is NOT full of shit in the first place.

That's the question that still has not been answered.

Carter

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
Geez...

The discussion was about the V12 as it was pictured in his garage NOT the McLaren V12.


thats correct. the discussion was on 700 hp from a BUILT V12 based on the one in the pictures on the garage floor.


As for my project, no one said
"It could not be done"
they said,
"There would be better results from a 4 valve per cylinder set-up".


better results for your application? perhaps. You save a lot of weight with an alloy V8 over the cast iron V12. More power? smoother? more rev-happy? no. but lighter for the power output, most likely.


BTW, There aren't 2 big valves in those heads..there are two SMALL valves in those heads.


There are two valves per cylinder, and they are slightly smaller than those on an M20. (something like 0.03mm smaller or some such.) but thats STOCK. who builds a "race prepped motor" and keeps the stock valves?


Speaking to flow of the heads...the following is an example and I was personally involved...

My M62 4.4L V8 heads flowed at 152 CFM @ .500 valve - STOCK as in "right from the factory".
After porting & polishing by R. W. Whitney in Coatesville, PA (BTW they build small block Chevy motors for a NASCAR team) they flow at 189 CFM @ .500 valve. Mr. Whitney Sr. commented that...
"He had NEVER seen small block (268 cu.in) heads flow like that".


leaving out some important data here. or do I just assume an arbitrary number, like 28 inches of H2O?
and does the M62 actually lift the valve a half inch?
I suppose that you are also assuming that head flow numbers are some magical factor in making HP? What about the properties of the flow as it enters the combustion chamber? swirl? tumble? where does it all end up?

what about instances where the air is being forced in? I'm not talking boost here, I mean when you hit the natural resonant frequencies of the intake runners. I sorta thought we touched on this with the last post, but i guess you weren't paying attention.


I still maintain that the flow characteristics of the heads of the V12 pictured (NOT the McLaren) will not support 350 bhp per bank.


The heads in the picture? probably not as they sit. but again, that wasn't the argument. The topic was that motor... after being properly built.


Think about that...that is more hp than the E46 M3 motor makes WITH 4 valves per cylinder, with vastly superior engine management electronics, AND with VANOS.


its more power than the E46 M3 motor makes, but we also know there is lots of room left in that motor. that's a *streeet car motor*... not really what one should consider for arguments. ~450 hp is about the limit on a M50 based engine of 3.2L of displacement. they don't last long at that level, but its being done every day. 450 x 2 is 900 hp. tune about 200 hp out of that and I'd bet it'll be a touch more reliable.

as for engine management, if you think what comes on the street car version of anything, even the M3, is the *best engine management available*, then you've never been around a real race car. The engine management system on the M3 may seem sophisticated to the nascar boys at the shop that built your motor, but to everyone else in racing that uses something other than a carburetor, a mechanical distributor, and a couple MSD boxes and calls that "engine management", its not all that amazing.

now on to vanos... this is a WONDERFUL technology. means you can have no overlap down low, so a smooth idle and good low end response, and then add in that overlap up high. without vanos, you'd be stuck with a non-variable cam, and thus with that overlap for up high, a lumpy idle. so this makes more power? no. not by itself. It can help make the power band wider. but peak HP numbers won't be terribly different than having just picked *the right cam* to begin with.


Finally,referring to the pic of the McLaren...
If, as you say, working the crank's offset, overboring the cylinders and installing larger valves would be sufficient...
Why did McLaren go to a 4 valve per cylinder set-up WITH the overbore and compression increase?
They didn't have YOUR expertise???:dunno


I NEVER referred to the pic of the McLaren.
The McLaren F1 engine will likely last 200k miles before a rebuild. They also used what they did because they had the technology lying around and someone else was writing the check. so why not? why base it on their old V12 that was based on the M20? why not take their current M3 engines, use the engineering from them, and make a new V12? Just becuse a certain power level can be achieved with an old motor doesn't mean the new motor won't be superior in many ways. on a street car, drivability usually comes BEFORE power in the design requirements schema.
on race cars, nobody considers going 100k or 200k miles. Reliability is why BMW made the power they did the way they did for the McLaren. they needed low RPM breathing efficency. You open a big valve at low RPM, you get shitty intake velocities. But since when is low RPM drivability a concern for a *built racing engine*??


Face it...
The motor on that garage floor will never see 700 bhp unless it is fitted with intercooled twin turbos...assuming the fellow involved is NOT full of shit in the first place.

Twin turbos would get it there with ease. But its not the only way to get it there.

It would probably be best for you to look into the technologies out there and WHY they are there. The engine management side of things is probably the greatest contributor to RELIABLE hp. but most other things are to make engine longevity better, and drivability better.

-Michael McCoy

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
Impossible?

"Plenty capable" is relative...700 bhp is 700 bhp, PERIOD
What "you like" has no bearing on the facts of the matter...


what facts? where were your facts? is there some rule out there that a 6L V12 with only 24 valves can't make more than 100hp / litre?


If you want 700 bhp from a V12, you want the McLaren V12 or a copy of it's basic design...


700hp is indeed 700hp. If 100hp were 700hp, I'd drive a civic. :laugh
The "basic design" of the Mclaren F1's V12 is: 12 cylinders, lots of displacement. Ferrari uses this formula a good bit.


For more on this subject click here (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1981104#post1981104)

hey look, someone figured out how to be an ass. :nono

-Michael McCoy

You're feeling particularly argumentative this morning, aren't you?

Originally posted by techno550
what facts? where were your facts? is there some rule out there that a 6L V12 with only 24 valves can't make more than 100hp / litre?



700hp is indeed 700hp. If 100hp were 700hp, I'd drive a civic. :laugh
The "basic design" of the Mclaren F1's V12 is: 12 cylinders, lots of displacement. Ferrari uses this formula a good bit.



hey look, someone figured out how to be an ass. :nono

-Michael McCoy




is there some rule out there that a 6L V12 with only 24 valves can't make more than 100hp / litre?
It won't make 100 hp/ per litre with 2 valve per cylinder heads.


The "basic design" of the Mclaren F1's V12 is: 12 cylinders, lots of displacement. Ferrari uses this formula a good bit.
No shit. But even in Ferrari's example the big hp #s on their V12s are achieved w/ 4 valves per cylinder.


hey look, someone figured out how to be an ass. :nono
I've been called worse and by people much more qualified to judge than you are.

Originally posted by Ron17
You're feeling particularly argumentative this morning, aren't you?
I get like that sometimes.
oh, and "he started it". :stickoutt

but starting out with something like "That V12 has 2 valves per cylinder, short intake runnners and will never make 700 bhp." then leading into "but every one I spoke with told me that a 2 valve per cylinder can NEVER flow the way a 4 valve per cylinder head flows".
then saying something like "You can count on ONE hand the number of people WORLDWIDE that have the savvy to do a V12 motor. I doubt there is one in Atlanta". I bet Robert Ball over at Supercars might have something to say about that. given the number of Lambo's and Ferrari's hes built motors for...

just a bunch of little things that were technically incorrect that, when all put together, were rather bothersome.

-Michael McCoy

Originally posted by techno550
thats correct. the discussion was on 700 hp from a BUILT V12 based on the one in the pictures on the garage floor



better results for your application? perhaps. You save a lot of weight with an alloy V8 over the cast iron V12. More power? smoother? more rev-happy? no. but lighter for the power output, most likely.



There are two valves per cylinder, and they are slightly smaller than those on an M20. (something like 0.03mm smaller or some such.) but thats STOCK. who builds a "race prepped motor" and keeps the stock valves?



leaving out some important data here. or do I just assume an arbitrary number, like 28 inches of H2O?
and does the M62 actually lift the valve a half inch?
I suppose that you are also assuming that head flow numbers are some magical factor in making HP? What about the properties of the flow as it enters the combustion chamber? swirl? tumble? where does it all end up?

what about instances where the air is being forced in? I'm not talking boost here, I mean when you hit the natural resonant frequencies of the intake runners. I sorta thought we touched on this with the last post, but i guess you weren't paying attention.



The heads in the picture? probably not as they sit. but again, that wasn't the argument. The topic was that motor... after being properly built.



its more power than the E46 M3 motor makes, but we also know there is lots of room left in that motor. that's a *streeet car motor*... not really what one should consider for arguments. ~450 hp is about the limit on a M50 based engine of 3.2L of displacement. they don't last long at that level, but its being done every day. 450 x 2 is 900 hp. tune about 200 hp out of that and I'd bet it'll be a touch more reliable.

as for engine management, if you think what comes on the street car version of anything, even the M3, is the *best engine management available*, then you've never been around a real race car. The engine management system on the M3 may seem sophisticated to the nascar boys at the shop that built your motor, but to everyone else in racing that uses something other than a carburetor, a mechanical distributor, and a couple MSD boxes and calls that "engine management", its not all that amazing.

now on to vanos... this is a WONDERFUL technology. means you can have no overlap down low, so a smooth idle and good low end response, and then add in that overlap up high. without vanos, you'd be stuck with a non-variable cam, and thus with that overlap for up high, a lumpy idle. so this makes more power? no. not by itself. It can help make the power band wider. but peak HP numbers won't be terribly different than having just picked *the right cam* to begin with.



I NEVER referred to the pic of the McLaren.
The McLaren F1 engine will likely last 200k miles before a rebuild. They also used what they did because they had the technology lying around and someone else was writing the check. so why not? why base it on their old V12 that was based on the M20? why not take their current M3 engines, use the engineering from them, and make a new V12? Just becuse a certain power level can be achieved with an old motor doesn't mean the new motor won't be superior in many ways. on a street car, drivability usually comes BEFORE power in the design requirements schema.
on race cars, nobody considers going 100k or 200k miles. Reliability is why BMW made the power they did the way they did for the McLaren. they needed low RPM breathing efficency. You open a big valve at low RPM, you get shitty intake velocities. But since when is low RPM drivability a concern for a *built racing engine*??



Twin turbos would get it there with ease. But its not the only way to get it there.

It would probably be best for you to look into the technologies out there and WHY they are there. The engine management side of things is probably the greatest contributor to RELIABLE hp. but most other things are to make engine longevity better, and drivability better.

-Michael McCoy



Rather than pick fly crap out of a pile of pepper with you over this, I'll ask for your help...

Find an example of a 2 valve per cylinder 6L. NA V12 that generates 700 hp race or otherwise and I'll admit my error.

1) Pick up gauntlet.
2) Throw it down.

Check.

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
It won't make 100 hp/ per litre with 2 valve per cylinder heads.


you seem to think that number of valves equates to maximum overall flow... you see, what really matters is overall AREA. the sum of the valve opening areas dictates maximum flow.

Ignorance bothers me. I suggest you go read up on the whats and hows and whys of valvetrain design.

the main advantages that will be seen with multiple valves over an equally sized single valve is in low lift flow. (more small areas, so velocities are higher, and more turbulence for better mixing.)


No shit. But even in Ferrari's example the big hp #s on their V12s are achieved w/ 4 valves per cylinder.


ferrari is a street car. they need the drivability and have the funding, so they use the modern designs. hell, they played with 5 valves per cylinder.
Based on area and such, 3 valves would seem to be the sweet spot, but most prefer 4 for some reason. Doesn't mean something can't be done with 2 though.

-Michael McCoy

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
It won't make 100 hp/ per litre with 2 valve per cylinder heads.


Not true. I have a 76 2002, if you don't know its a 2L 4 cyl with 8 valves. I'm puting out just under 200 HP and I know a guy who has a 2002 with about 240 crank HP with a more aggressive cam than I have. Also keep in mind we are both using carbs and with a fuel injection system and fuel management it can get more power.

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
Rather than pick fly crap out of a pile of pepper with you over this, I'll ask for your help...

Find an example of a 2 valve per cylinder 6L. NA V12 that generates 700 hp race or otherwise and I'll admit my error.

Does it have to be a V12? or will ~6L and 2 valves per cylinder on a V8 work? so 6L and 700+ hp? seen a nacar motor in the last 5+ years?
or are you now going to argue that the V12 can't make that power because its "got smaller cylinders" or "a longer crank" or some other bullshit?

For V12's, the last time ferrari used a V12 with 2 valves per cylinder in a race car was 1966. it was only 3L though, but made over 350hp. nineteen sixty freakin six. Double the displacement and, say, double the HP, that puts you over 700hp from 6 L. a V12. 2 valves per cylinder. and I bet that with a little help from the engine technology that has been developed over the last almost 40 years that even more power could be made.

your understanding of valvetrain design and valve sizing leaves a lot to be desired. as for flowing enough air for the reuqired HP output, it doesn't matter how many valves you have. The concern is if you have enough area to flow that amount. One big valve, bunch of little valves, same effect. If engines only ran at one specific RPM with constant load, every engine would have one camshaft and just 2 valves per cylinder. The cam profile and valve area would be PERFECT for that situation. No vanos, no vtec, no vvtl-i, no need for any of those, and no need for multiple intake valves or other complications. the disadvantage of big valves with tons of lift is seen in low RPM situations. with a big valve and lots of lift, the intake velocities are very low at low RPM's. this leads to poor fuel distribution in the cylinder and inefficient combustion. thats why 2 valve motors are undesirable. Makes for shitty city driving. (now if that one valve were controlled by valvetronic type stuff, that would be a different story.)

making tons of power at the top end of a 2 valve per cylinder motor isn't rocket science. it just takes on some (usually) unwanted compromises. such as low RPM drivability. If big cams and big valves didn't have drawbacks, then all cars would come with them from the factory. . . and everyone would already be making 700hp from their V12's. (and fuel economy gauges on BMW's would read in gallons per mile.)

-Michael McCoy

What about P51 Mustangs...granted they're not 6L....MASSIVE power. 2 valves.

sjd

:para: :roll: :rocketwho


Wow, these posts went fast with half of them shortened by this nifty ignore feature I found in another post.



:buttrock







Another case of mistaken maturity?

I like pie.

Originally posted by techno550
Does it have to be a V12? or will ~6L and 2 valves per cylinder on a V8 work? so 6L and 700+ hp? seen a nacar motor in the last 5+ years?
or are you now going to argue that the V12 can't make that power because its "got smaller cylinders" or "a longer crank" or some other bullshit?

For V12's, the last time ferrari used a V12 with 2 valves per cylinder in a race car was 1966. it was only 3L though, but made over 350hp. nineteen sixty freakin six. Double the displacement and, say, double the HP, that puts you over 700hp from 6 L. a V12. 2 valves per cylinder. and I bet that with a little help from the engine technology that has been developed over the last almost 40 years that even more power could be made.

your understanding of valvetrain design and valve sizing leaves a lot to be desired. as for flowing enough air for the reuqired HP output, it doesn't matter how many valves you have. The concern is if you have enough area to flow that amount. One big valve, bunch of little valves, same effect. If engines only ran at one specific RPM with constant load, every engine would have one camshaft and just 2 valves per cylinder. The cam profile and valve area would be PERFECT for that situation. No vanos, no vtec, no vvtl-i, no need for any of those, and no need for multiple intake valves or other complications. the disadvantage of big valves with tons of lift is seen in low RPM situations. with a big valve and lots of lift, the intake velocities are very low at low RPM's. this leads to poor fuel distribution in the cylinder and inefficient combustion. thats why 2 valve motors are undesirable. Makes for shitty city driving. (now if that one valve were controlled by valvetronic type stuff, that would be a different story.)

making tons of power at the top end of a 2 valve per cylinder motor isn't rocket science. it just takes on some (usually) unwanted compromises. such as low RPM drivability. If big cams and big valves didn't have drawbacks, then all cars would come with them from the factory. . . and everyone would already be making 700hp from their V12's. (and fuel economy gauges on BMW's would read in gallons per mile.)

-Michael McCoy





The type of motor we began with was a V12. Why the need to roam into other designs? Of course a 6L V8 NASCAR motor makes 700 hp, there is not argument there. Of course the 6L. NASCAR V8 would have cylinders 1/2 again as large as a 6L. V12...

My contention is that the motor shown on the floor of that fellows garage won't develop 700 hp with that head configuration.

The statement above is in plain English, I can arrange for translation to another language if you need.

What power an S14 with hot cams and what power a 6L. NASCAR V8 make has no relevance. The V12 he's got won't do 700 hp.

Cheers

The statement above is in plain English, I can arrange for translation to another language if you need.

Cheers [/B]

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ein für das spezielle

sjd
it's a 5zeigen spring thing...i've been hanging out with too many japanese cars.

Bimmerhead,
I can tune my engine and get 200 HP, if I put a more aggressive cam and say an Alpina A4 injection system in it I can get upwards of 240 HP out of a 2L 8valve 4 banger not an S14. If we are to use the same specs on the V12 as the 2002, 700HP isn't that hard. Will he be able to drive it on the street, no. With 700 HP the engine will be a full racing engine and will not preform well under 4000RPM.

On a side note, I don't think there is a company that makes a cam set for the V12 so that it could make 700HP. The cam would have to be custom made and would probably take a few months to develope, not a few weeks.

The bottom line is, if you have enough money, 700HP from a NA 24 Valve V12 is Possible.

Originally posted by Bimmerhead
The type of motor we began with was a V12. Why the need to roam into other designs? Of course a 6L V8 NASCAR motor makes 700 hp, there is not argument there. Of course the 6L. NASCAR V8 would have cylinders 1/2 again as large as a 6L. V12...


So per-cylinder displacement means what? If the total intake valve flow area between the V8 and V12 were the same, assuming the same VE, then they would make the same power.
the 8 cylinder vs 12 cylinder thing is mostly for smoothness. But its displacement, RPM, and efficency that determine HP. not number of cylinders. If anything, the potential power will go up due to increased smoothness and better distribution of torque loads.


My contention is that the motor shown on the floor of that fellows garage won't develop 700 hp with that head configuration.


"that head configuration" being having only 2 valves per cylinder? but you would say it could if it had 4 valves per cylinder?

now lets say we know it can make the power with the 4 valve head. then we calculate the max flow of the intake valves, pick a valve size and lift that would match that number with a single valve, and make it so in that 2 valve head. then do the same on the exhaust side. now what say you? still not possible because it has only one intake and one exhaust valve?


The statement above is in plain English, I can arrange for translation to another language if you need.


I see your point, but I still think you are full of shit. Changing languages won't change that fact.


What power an S14 with hot cams and what power a 6L. NASCAR V8 make has no relevance. The V12 he's got won't do 700 hp.


who ever said S14? that has 4 valves per cylinder. Leif was talking about a 2.0L M10. thats 2 valves per cylinder. If you bought hot cams for it, you'd have to make a choice on which ONE to use.
He was using the M10 as an example of a 2 valve per cylinder (with similar displacement per cylinder to a 6L V12) engine with more than 100 hp per liter. The reason for the example? he quoted it even... you said "It won't make 100 hp/ per litre with 2 valve per cylinder heads." we're just trying to correct your ignorance.
The nascar motor is an example of yet another 6L motor with 2 valves per cylinder and again more than 100 hp per liter.

-Michael McCoy

OMG!!!

OK, let's agree to disagree. It's apparent that neither party is going to sway the thinking of the other, so let's call it a difference of opinions and move on.

mmm-kay?

Originally posted by Ron17
OMG!!!

OK, let's agree to disagree. It's apparent that neither party is going to sway the thinking of the other, so let's call it a difference of opinions and move on.

mmm-kay?

I'm going to have to agree with Ron on this, but I don't mind a good ol arguement, if you want to keep going;)

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Yes, definite pwnage. No new posts from want2race since he started the "don't use Discount Tire" thread.

Read my lips: No New Posts.

Oh, BTW, Discount Tire at the intersection of Ptree Ind and Ptree by Lowes was pretty good. Got my tires ordered and delivered in 1 day, mounted and balanced w/o scratching my wheels, and gave me a value stem cover to replace the one NTB lost. They were also able to mount the weights on the inside...

So how's the v12 going?

Oh, BTW, Discount Tire at the intersection of Ptree Ind and Ptree by Lowes was pretty good. Got my tires ordered and delivered in 1 day, mounted and balanced w/o scratching my wheels, and gave me a value stem cover to replace the one NTB lost. They were also able to mount the weights on the inside...



LOL! *i get the reference*

Read my lips: No New Posts.
WERD!!!

Where is that V12 swap man?!?

I want an update damnit! :evil2

this thread just won't die :)

:rofl:
Want2Race's avatar says "Are you finished yet?"

Not Yet Buddy.

it really says "Are your finished yet?"

:lol:

:embarrasm

ummm in case you haven't noticed....there is no V12 swap.

sjd

ummm in case you haven't noticed....there is no V12 swap.

sjd

Probably true.

What about getting shot in the knee and squatting 1,000lbs just two weeks later? Anybody hear if his recovery is going well? :rofl:

Probably true.

What about getting shot in the knee and squatting 1,000lbs just two weeks later? Anybody hear if his recovery is going well? :rofl:

:lol:

ummm in case you haven't noticed....there is no V12 swap.

sjd



lol no kidding.... his post was meant as a joke.

I have teh V14. I also covered my car in leather. It's BADASS.

FU guys. You aren't funny. Project is still going on and will document all when complete. Until then eat a dick you punks.

FU guys. You aren't funny. Project is still going on and will document all when complete. Until then eat a dick you punks.

Courtesy of rwindleyme02:

"Hi Estoril, I'm Avus. You're Blue."

:rofl2:

i have a hard time believing that someone that doesnt know (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=23822)
his birthday is able to put a v12 in anything (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=6638)

Name
Address
Phone Number

This is all it takes to silence the critics. One person's verification will be enough. Of course, I'll volunteer. I'm easy to contact.

Still scared of the truth?

Carter

i have a hard time believing that someone that doesnt know (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=23822)
his birthday is able to put a v12 in anything (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=6638)


haha, thats just talent.

I can't believe you guys think that Wanto2race and Want2race are the same person. Somebody on here just made the new account and called it Wanto2race and is starting shit. :rolleyes:

It's pretty damn easy to get your password back if you forget it.

Soon there will be a WantTwoRace...

one of the guys has a civic and the other has a ///m

Cool it guys.

FU guys. You aren't funny. Project is still going on and will document all when complete. Until then eat a dick you punks.

http://members.westnet.com.au/explicit/images/postthefuckingpics.gif

:lol

I just read all this for the first time, and it made my head hurt. But I do now understand the whole "want2race/lawyerm5" thing.
Oh, and I jacked that V16 from the Cadillac Cien and I'm putting it in my 318 either this weekend or the next. I should have like one-point-twenty-one jigawatts when it's all done.

I just read all this for the first time, and it made my head hurt. But I do now understand the whole "want2race/lawyerm5" thing.
Oh, and I jacked that V16 from the Cadillac Cien and I'm putting it in my 318 either this weekend or the next. I should have like one-point-twenty-one jigawatts when it's all done.


I call dibs on ride!

Flux capacitor?

To Want2race:
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:rofl