http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/CF+Race+airbox.jpg

This took much longer than anticipated. Finally I bought a new M3 2 month ago and....S.S. Headers/race pipe, RD x-pipe,muffler, TMS UDP, 3.91 rear axle, Carbon Fiber Race airbox and software upto 9,000 RPM redline.


I will put a few miles on the car and new dyno results will be posted later this week. So far the car has been dynoed stock and with full exhaust.

Did you buy the car new?

No the insurance didn't pay enough for the damage, so it took a while to gather extra money and I had to buy 2002 M3.

I was lucky enough to find the same CB on imola, although this car has no NAV/CWP.

I got all the power mods installed on the car so I can pull the dyno figures. The car is going to Laguna Seca on Friday to get some track time.

WELCOME BACK :clap:
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Im still debating whether to go NA on spray or FI.. Either way im shooting for 400rwhp.

To get 400 RWHP you need to go with f/i, but I just can't lower the revs to 7,200 RPM, that motor needs to scream.

The most you are going to get n/a with bolt on and race gas is 370 RWHP and thats going all the way to 9,000 RPM

9000? nice. I cant wait for you dyno sheets...

I would love to be able to rev to 9k N/A. Nice.:clap:

where did you buy that airbox from, looks good

Originally posted by MiniModder
where did you buy that airbox from, looks good

I guess you missed all the airbox posts. MPILOT is going to be selling these at some point.

Do a search on the boards if you're interested in them.

finally. a ram filter charger. cone style. I like it. it makes more sense to me. shorter distance, better sound. but it seems to me that the air is going to be a lot hotter than the OEM design that draws air directly from the outside and not from the engine bay. does hotter air produce less power?

Originally posted by teknopanda
finally. a ram filter charger. cone style. I like it. it makes more sense to me. shorter distance, better sound. but it seems to me that the air is going to be a lot hotter than the OEM design that draws air directly from the outside and not from the engine bay. does hotter air produce less power?

Cars do like colder air. From what I know, most of the time the colder air is lower to the ground. Isn't that why "cold air intakes" are long and go down towards the ground? The OEM setup has air coming in from the ground with the scoop on top of the brake duct and has a "ram air" through the kidney's. I'm sure the reason that M-Pilot's intake will produce more power is because it can pull a bigger volume of air at a faster rate, but I don't know if the air is colder, it might be warmer.

I'm looking forward to seeing the dyno charts.

Good to see you back in the game M-Pilot!

I seriously hope you don't plan on taking it up to 9K without any internal mods. This engine will be shot lived most likely.

Good to see you back. Looking forward to the results.

Will you be able to flash ECUs here in the U.S.? or will we have to ship overseas?

Cars do like colder air. From what I know, most of the time the colder air is lower to the ground. Isn't that why "cold air intakes" are long and go down towards the ground? The OEM setup has air coming in from the ground with the scoop on top of the brake duct and has a "ram air" through the kidney's. I'm sure the reason that M-Pilot's intake will produce more power is because it can pull a bigger volume of air at a faster rate, but I don't know if the air is colder, it might be warmer.

The cone ram airfilter picks up air from the two factory intakes. The ducts feed right upto the filter.

The factory plastic heat shield that covers the radiator/fan still surrounds the filter and together with the high heat resistance offered from the carbon fiber race airbox there is no affect of heat soak while driving.

Will you be able to flash ECUs here in the U.S.? or will we have to ship overseas?

Yes I will need your ECUs to send them to our tuner in Europe.


We have the following maps available:

- mapping for the E46 M3 with headers/race cats/x-pipe/muffler and race carbon fiber airbox. With choice of 91, 92, 93 or 94 AKI fuel mapping.

- mapping for the E46 M3 with headers/race pipe (no cats)/x-pipe/muffler and race carbon fiber airbox. With choice of 91, 92, 93 or 94 AKI fuel mapping.

- mapping for the E46 M3 with headers/race cats/x-pipe/muffler and race carbon fiber airbox and choice of sport or race cams. With choice of 91, 92, 93 or 94 AKI fuel mapping.

- mapping for the E46 M3 with headers/pipe (no cats)/x-pipe/muffler and race carbon fiber airbox and choice of sport or race cams. With choice of 91, 92, 93 or 94 AKI fuel mapping.


We carry cams ranging from 272 degrees to 298 degrees.

The 298 degree cams require 13:1 compression pistons with stand alone engine mangament configured for race gas(110 AKI/ 112 AKI), this configuration is for racing only not availble for street M3s.

Custom maps are also available for your specific requirements.

Welcome back...

did the EPA contact you yet?? Selling race gear for street cars?? haha (joke)

would like to see your dyno's..

how much is the intake also ??

lead time for orders etc...

Special pre-order yet ??

The race carbon fiber airbox is derived of the race spec M3, however we are selling a street version that works with the AFM and so doesn't affect emmissions if you are still running cats.

We will release dyno charts for a setup with full exhaust, no cats, stock cams, race airbox and ecu with 91 mapping.

We will also release one done on an SMG with race cats, schrock cams 280 degrees and 91 mapping.

The price fore the race airbox and ECU mapping is $4,800. This includes ECU mapping for you current modifications, as well as shipping back and forth to you. We are currently offering a 5% BF active members discount.

The downtime is about 10 days, 3-4 days with fedex, 2 days with the tuner programming the ECU, and 3-4 days with U.S. customs.

Well, it looks good and I am glad to see that it is finally ready. But, it looks just the same as the CSL and replica airboxes, I thought it would be more original for some reason. Also, I too am sceptical about the cone filter sitting in the open. Just a crazy thought I had, but, could you somehow run this intake but with the GruppeM? I am sure you have tested and commend you on your work and on getting this project completed.
PS. I have been reading this board for a long time and have been rooting for you Mpilot, I just have not joined or posted until now

Thanks for your support, this really was a very long project.

The cone airfilter grabs cold air direcltly fed on by the 2 factory intake ducts, together with the heat sheild you have a system that feeds on fresh cold air and rejects engine heat.

Here's a link to the SMG M3 that has the same race CF airbox with 280 schrick cams.

http://216.118.86.224/m3forum/showthread.php?threadid=22839&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

4800.00 hahahahahahahahahha

Keep it man.. i'd rather spend the money toward the supercharger or a new NOS system that is coming out..

Well if people do buy this, then good for you.. but i doubt you'll find many on this board that can afford 4800 for a CSL or Replica of other intakes..

Personally, i'd rather make my own intake then get your nice looking intake..

You only proved me right... How was the trip on the comet? Must be some good stuff they give you for you to really think that this will sell.. And gruppe M was high pricing.. You really set the standard now !!!

We shoudl call you DINAN..

So when's the next comet?? NExt you'll come back with floormats that save 100lbs in wieght savings..

man your comical.. i love seeing your project...

Your ever loving... Jajja


PS.. i can afford your little box, but personally, unless it comes with a gift certificate for a free blow job.. it's not going to impress me nor some of the real cars that have real mods on them...

PSS. Would i put it on my car?? Hell no !! I'd rather run gruppe M for fraction of the cost. At least with that i know i won't get any gains other than a sweet sounding intake.. For 4800 price tag, if it doesn't show some serious gains, then i'd be afraid of any dissatified customers..

Shriek cams.. Hmm.. funny that we have dynos along with SS headers and cats that only show a 5HP gain.. Man your stuff must be amazing.. THe shriek cams don't do much.. Evosport will agree and so will so many others that have tried before you..

may I ask what's your relationship w/ Joel? partner? wholesaler? same person? (just wondering..) :)

looks nice, and can't wait for the dyno result!!

Originally posted by jajja
You only proved me right... How was the trip on the comet? Must be some good stuff they give you for you to really think that this will sell.. And gruppe M was high pricing.. You really set the standard now !!!


I dont understand. Didnt you always say that the intake didnt exist?
Well, just as MPILOT said 4 months ago, it does exists and is yielding the same gains as he said before.
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I, however, do agree with the pricing. It is abit high :confused:
Im looking into AA SC for a few extra thousand.
But i must admit that this is THE 1st working intake.

Originally posted by JaWeb
I dont understand. Didnt you always say that the intake didnt exist?
Well, just as MPILOT said 4 months ago, it does exists and is yielding the same gains as he said before.
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I, however, do agree with the pricing. It is abit high :confused:
Im looking into AA SC for a few extra thousand.
But i must admit that this is THE 1st working intake.

I might have said it didn't exist.. can't remember nor do i care.. But when i saw it.. hahahahha

It's the same intake as the CSL and turners with a cone slapped on it.. Wow even evosport is working on one that is similar.. Hmmmmmmm Catching on people yet??

Come on people..!!! how much design engineering goes into a intake box?? Largest amount of non resistive air flow to each throttle body.. Not too hard really.. Try working with thermal dynamics.. Now that can get tricky... Your paying for his intake Mold tooling.. Not for the HP you'll get...

PS.. I am a design engineer.. Care to really get know it all with me.. hahahah

PSS.. Nice knock off..

The Race Airbox is very well priced, considering that you get a proper working package where you choose your own software detailing your current upgrades.

The only other similar style airbox for sale that retains strreatability is the Hamann, which at almost $8,000, doesn't make proven gains and is the not 100% carbon fiber.

This is a true Race proven product brought to the street after long testing and development, retaining the factory AFM components, this doesn't alter the behavior of the car at idle and doesn't affect emmissions or error codes.

The only changes here are performance gain related, where you gain access to previously unavailable HP. The volume of air available is massive as well as the relocation of the AFM further down right behind the ram air filter reads better results.

Originally posted by MPILOT
The Race Airbox is very well priced, considering that you get a proper working package where you choose your own software detailing your current upgrades.

The only other similar style airbox for sale that retains strreatability is the Hamann, which at almost $8,000, doesn't make proven gains and is the not 100% carbon fiber.

This is a true Race proven product brought to the street after long testing and development, retaining the factory AFM components, this doesn't alter the behavior of the car at idle and doesn't affect emmissions or error codes.

The only changes here are performance gain related, where you gain access to previously unavailable HP. The volume of air available is massive as well as the relocation of the AFM further down right behind the ram air filter reads better results.

so they are 8K, lets cut it half and sell thousands of them right??

good thinking.. but one problem.. your not hamman, nor have a name even close.. They high ticket items cause of brand recognition and brand value.. not always cause it costs millions to develop...

CSL spec ... with a cone on it.. WOO HOO

But i wish you luck with everytthing...

Jajja,
what are you going for?
I want big power and the only thing that can provide it is FI or nitrous.

Originally posted by JaWeb
Jajja,
what are you going for?
I want big power and the only thing that can provide it is FI or nitrous.

I am with you.. I seek big proven power that makes sense..

I am waiting for the AA SC kit to be complete.. Then once a few test it, then i will commit to it.. But i am not sure if AA will sell it as a bolt on or not or if you have to take your car to them..

If it's just a bolt on and ECU upgrade then i don't see what they wouldn't..

I am also looking into NOS.. I know what is in teh works with this and it can be done.. There will be more info on this in the upcoming weeks.. But's it's not 4800 and gives more than 40HP

jajja

Originally posted by JaWeb
Jajja,
what are you going for?
I want big power and the only thing that can provide it is FI or nitrous.

I think jajja is keeping things in perspective with reality.

I think we can all agree that for the street, the S54 in the CSL is about as good as it gets short of FI and Alpha N or Nitrous.

And considering the S54 in the CSL is pulling a max of 360 bhp, it's just hard to believe that a single item that replicates the intake within the CSL can actually pull higher gains.

I am waiting for dynos and other reviews, but it's really hard to swallow a lot of the information I've been reading.

Chris

Originally posted by jajja
I am also looking into NOS.. I know what is in teh works with this and it can be done.. jajja

I know it can be done b/c ive seen it and raced it :devillook

Delage Sport has been racing M3s throughout the E30 and E36 days, wining over 8 championships in their Delage Sport equipped M3 powerplants.

There is only pure passion for competition here. The last winner of the Rally x in the French Alps was a 2002 M-Coupe fully equiped by Delage Sport.

Delage Sport was the first company in the world that put together a stand alone engine management with no MAF on the E46 M3. Care to play with big power here, make sure you pump in 110 AKI leaded here to see over 360 WHP in that application.

Now Delage Sport is brought to your favourite streets by Kinetechnik.

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/CF+Race+airbox+2.jpg

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/CF+Race+airbox+3.jpg

Looks great. I sure it will provide a lot of power:D

so why are there no dyno plots for the airbox alone yet to settle this once and for all?

Good question Jersey man..

one would think after all this time.. Just 1 dyno of the airbox would exist..

POeple keep your money for NOS if you want quick cheap power..

I only have limited info on the NOS, but like others have said.. Its working and on the way..

NOS runs out... normally at the most inopportune time.

Originally posted by teknopanda
finally. a ram filter charger. cone style. I like it. it makes more sense to me. shorter distance, better sound. but it seems to me that the air is going to be a lot hotter than the OEM design that draws air directly from the outside and not from the engine bay. does hotter air produce less power?

I returned your PM at M3forums. The carbon airbox runs much cooler then the oem plastic unit. I've checked it a bunch of times after driving, it's been cool to the touch.

Steve

Originally posted by MPILOT

We will also release one done on an SMG with race cats, schrock cams 280 degrees and 91 mapping.


MPILOT,

Who's car would that be ;) ?

Check your PM at M3forums, would love to meet up with you some time.

Steve

Originally posted by Kevlar
NOS runs out... normally at the most inopportune time.
If the race is "that" important, then you'll find more. It's kinda like drugs. If you want it that bad, you just gotta know where to find it.


"There will always be another day for racing"
So go fill it up

It's the person who gets the last laugh that wins.

Originally posted by GabbyGM3
If the race is "that" important, then you'll find more. It's kinda like drugs. If you want it that bad, you just gotta know where to find it.


"There will always be another day for racing"
So go fill it up

It's the person who gets the last laugh that wins.

WERD !!!!

The dyno results are to be released this week.

This racing airbox is not to be confused for hardcore drag racing or the fast and the furious bs.

This is a true 100% hand made Carbon Fiber Race Airbox that has the capability of capturing a huge volume of cold air and keeping at your disposal to use when you need to power out of a turn or a section on a road course.

If you are interested in building your 9 sec. M3, then go to your NOS or f/i and get ready to dish out $$$ for the setup and then a lot more $$$$$ for the post run maintenance including new motor.

People who are thinking of this as a raging unit to allow you to beat everyone of the line and go against drag cars, then this is not for you.

Sure I've beaten a number of cars with this kit (ZO6s, 355s, modenas, 996 TT, Viper GTS), but that was on Willowsprings and Buttonwillow raceway.

This is not your street fighter kit, but conveniently transforms your cars racing character. :buttrock

And it is that M character that keeps me from turning away from your set up...
Do i want to beat 400 + rwhp cars at the street races and pull off low 12s maybe even high 11s.
Or, do i want a unique NA set up that yields repectable power on a car that will be respected and remembered as one of the most refined inline 6s ever made...

:95 :95 :95 :95 :95

Originally posted by MPILOT
The dyno results are to be released this week.

This racing airbox is not to be confused for hardcore drag racing or the fast and the furious bs.

This is a true 100% hand made Carbon Fiber Race Airbox that has the capability of capturing a huge volume of cold air and keeping at your disposal to use when you need to power out of a turn or a section on a road course.

If you are interested in building your 9 sec. M3, then go to your NOS or f/i and get ready to dish out $$$ for the setup and then a lot more $$$$$ for the post run maintenance including new motor.

People who are thinking of this as a raging unit to allow you to beat everyone of the line and go against drag cars, then this is not for you.

Sure I've beaten a number of cars with this kit (ZO6s, 355s, modenas, 996 TT, Viper GTS), but that was on Willowsprings and Buttonwillow raceway.

This is not your street fighter kit, but conveniently transforms your cars racing character. :buttrock

Well said.. But to sum your comments up..

This airbox isn't for anyone that didn't turn their M3 into a dedicated race M3..

So indeed your airbox Mpilot wasn't really intended for about 95% of this board (street fighter M3's)... Way to capature your target market ... you should be advertising on the roadfly forums.. There is much more track goorus there than here....

what a waste of time & energy even talking about a track only airbox....

So everyone... HOW YOU LIKE THOSE APPLES ??

.Well said.. But to sum your comments up..

Like I have said before, this is 100% streetable, this not a track only system but that where you get the most out of it.

If you are only interested in 0-60 and 0-120 MPH runs, then yes the package on my car yields about 4.2 sec 0-60 MPH and about 12.4 sec 1/4 mile time. But as I 'm trying to make clear to you this is not the main reason you get this package.

To each his own and you have been so against paying anything over a grand, then stop questioning the price and go buy your sub $1000 NOS system.

Its for the M3 driver that wants the most out of his/her M3 while keeping the motor N/A as M built it.

Yes you can get your NOS bottles for cheaper and no one is stopping you to blow your motor. Enjoy paying a grand or so for a NOS system, and $15k for a new motor after a couple of bottles.

Originally posted by GabbyGM3
If the race is "that" important, then you'll find more. It's kinda like drugs. If you want it that bad, you just gotta know where to find it.


"There will always be another day for racing"
So go fill it up

It's the person who gets the last laugh that wins.

Well... see that's just the thing N20 may give you the instant boost you need... but it's going to run out. See... N20 is for people who need an acceleration boost for 15-30 seconds. I'm looking for sustained additional power... like 6-8 hours worth. I can't be at a driving school looking to pass a Acura NSX only to find I'm outta juice mid-way through the pass. Plus, I don't know how well your engine is going to stand up to sustain N20 use over the course of 6hours at WOT.

N20 may give you that momentary additional boost, but it has no staying power.

well said Kevlar,

This is where you have the ability to access that new power gain all day and most important is the linear delivery of power, that is very profitable power.

Jajja, I am glad that you are here to give a different viewpoint; but I think perhaps that you should recognize this kit for what it is and not expect it to be anything else. It has been said many times that this is not a cheap mod with a huge gain in power, but rather a reliable and usable gain for those who prefer NA power.

all i want to do is meet the guy thay pays 4800 for this mod..

who wants to bet that this airbox is down to 1K range (plus flash) due to lack of sales, non that is..

Every mod has it pros and cons.. Just like a lightweight flywheel with additional noise..

I can assure you Mpilot that the NOS setup will not be killing motors if done correctly.. This only intimidates you because it can provide the same power for a fraction of the cost as your air box, given that your box even works.. (waiting to see dyno)

Regardless.. Nice CSL intake man... Some real engineering you did.. Wait till evosport does the new piston FI setup... hahaa

That is all...

Originally posted by jajja
I can assure you Mpilot that the NOS setup will not be killing motors if done correctly.. This only intimidates you because it can provide the same power for a fraction of the cost as your air box, given that your box even works.. (waiting to see dyno)


I don't think it's fair to compare this to a N20 setup... as I posted above. N20 only give a momentary power increase... not a sustained power increase. I'd like to see how the engine drives after 60 seconds of sustained N20 injection... let alone a full day of use. Plus, to use N20 for a entire day, you'd need like a 500lb bottle of N20.

Plus, N20 only works at WOT... below that, there are no additional gains.

It all boils down to what mod is best suited for each individual driver.
I think that my opinion is the MOST impartial b/c i have considered going all 3 routes:
NA (MPILOTs), Jajja (NOS) and AA's SC.
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Even now i still havent decided. Each route has its pros and cons. I dont feel like listing them and i also believe that we are all knowledgeable enough to realize them.
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I think that the common ground between big and trackable power is the SC linear power curve. But its also the most expensive mod :(

does the 9000 rpm's concern anyone with regards to reliability?

Originally posted by southjerseym3
does the 9000 rpm's concern anyone with regards to reliability?

Ha... the 8000rpms concern me with regards to reliability, but I know it was tested so it'll be fine. I'm sure after some testing with 9000rpm, we'll know if it reliable or not.

so is this kit 4800 for just the CF airbox? and tuning? dont u still need indevidual throutles? euro style?

Originally posted by natopotato
so is this kit 4800 for just the CF airbox? and tuning? dont u still need indevidual throutles? euro style?

Dude, you should do your homework. It already has them.

I just realized how crazy it would be to street race from a 7,000 rpm roll :evil2

M32NV,
Im still in the process of getting a price for u.

does the 9000 rpm's concern anyone with regards to reliability?

9,000 RPM redline is for the race application.
Where you get 12.8:1 CR racing light-weight pistons and stand alone engine managment.

The street version on my car that retains the factory ECU, internals and MAF runs to 8,800 RPM.

We have completed 10,000 miles of testing of this street kit on my car with 91 AKI.

Approximately how much wheel hp does the "race" kit make?

The dynos will be released showing our different stages.

Stage I
Carbon Fiber Race Airbox with MAF and software mapping would yield approx. 20 - 25 WHP on 91-93 AKI

Stage II
Carbon Fiber Race Airbox with MAF, sport cams (280) with software mapping would yield approx. 30 - 35 WHP on 91-93 AKI

Stage III
Carbon Fiber Race Airbox with MAF, race cams (296) with software mapping would yield approx. 35 - 40 WHP on 91-93 AKI

Full Race setup (non street legal)
Carbon Fiber Race Airbox with out MAF, race cams (298), 12.8:1 CR racing lightweight pistons, stand alone engine managment with MAF delete, would yield approx. 60-70 WHP on 100-113 AKI



We recommend the 3.91:1 rear axle for these kits, other ratios available ranging from 3.15 to 4.10

I have to admit that this is a promising looking kit for those people that want more power for their M3 without altering its character (I am one of them). However, I have a few observations/questions/requests! I think that the 8000 rpm redline is a bit much, especially with a motor that have shown problems with overrevving. But it is nice to give people a choice. Will there be an option for a stock rev limiter? Also, if someone is located in Europe and not in the States, will he/she be able to purchase the kit with the necessary software adaptations (if any)?

Yes we do have custom software available to cater for your specific requirements.

We have programs for US M3's ranging from 91 AKI - 94 AKI, and for Non- US M3's ranging from 95 (RON) - 99 (RON).


Customers can request their desired redline and fuel maps. The software is custom to your own car based on your modifications.

Its so pretty...
Damnit, remove your sig b4 i end up buying one :mad:

It looks much better in person.

Jaweb you have done a great job on your M3 so far, great selection of mods.

Here's a couple of figures for you:

Stock M3 (fully loaded): 4.645 kg/hp
M3 CSL: 3.847 kg/hp giving a total of 17% jump over the M3
Kinetechnik GT kit: 2.989 kg/hp giving a total of 36% jump over the M3

Originally posted by JaWeb
Its so pretty...
Damnit, remove your sig b4 i end up buying one :mad:


Stop sucking up.. you know damn right you won't pay even 3k for a airbox... hahahaha

just wait for evosports box to come out ... your going to crap when you hear how cheap it is.. (with dynos to prove its gains)..

I sense this 4800 will be changing to about 1k real soon.. hahaha

jajja - ok man, we get what you are trying to say. Now can you stop replying to the thread as all you are doing is thread crapping with no point other than to try to rip on MPILOT:eyes1 . Sorry if you don't like the price but, GET OVER IT AREADY!!! Some of use would NEVER use NOS:biglaughb and want to stay NA. I have spent more on my e36 3.2 to get the power that I have than if I were to have just slapped on a supercharger and been done with it. To each his own.


MPILOT - hey man looks great!! Looking forward to seeing some dyno sheets. I didn't see it while reading (I have to admit I skipped a bunch cause I got sick of someones crap) but are you offering any sort of guarantee? Just seems like a lot of cash to shell out.

Another thing. This is purely guessing but did you loose a bunch of bottom end? I am just curious cause you suggest going with a diff upgrade. My guess is that the runner length of the manifold were shortened to get more top end hp (which is why you upped the RPM so the motor can actually use the volume of the airbox) but that usually sacrafices low end. Just curious. Thanks!

Originally posted by 332 TMS car
jajja - ok man, we get what you are trying to say. Now can you stop replying to the thread as all you are doing is thread crapping with no point other than to try to rip on MPILOT:eyes1 . Sorry if you don't like the price but, GET OVER IT AREADY!!! Some of use would NEVER use NOS:biglaughb and want to stay NA. I have spent more on my e36 3.2 to get the power that I have than if I were to have just slapped on a supercharger and been done with it. To each his own.


MPILOT - hey man looks great!! Looking forward to seeing some dyno sheets. I didn't see it while reading (I have to admit I skipped a bunch cause I got sick of someones crap) but are you offering any sort of guarantee? Just seems like a lot of cash to shell out.

Another thing. This is purely guessing but did you loose a bunch of bottom end? I am just curious cause you suggest going with a diff upgrade. My guess is that the runner length of the manifold were shortened to get more top end hp (which is why you upped the RPM so the motor can actually use the volume of the airbox) but that usually sacrafices low end. Just curious. Thanks!

Inside joke dude.. You obviously don't get it.. And no i am not a NOS freak.. it was a option for some but i am not even sure if i would do it or not yet..

I like ripping apart the guy that has you gullable kids running for their parents check books.. It cracks me up.. Keep hoping for those dynos... We've only asked for them for the past 6 months..

What is going on in this thread? All this discussion is stemming form a poorly lit picture of a carbon fiber intake is silly.

How much faster do you need to go?
333 hp isn't enough?

Spend your money on track days and you'll improve your laptimes in stock form w/o any mods whatsoever.

Brian

MPILOT - hey man looks great!! Looking forward to seeing some dyno sheets. I didn't see it while reading (I have to admit I skipped a bunch cause I got sick of someones crap) but are you offering any sort of guarantee? Just seems like a lot of cash to shell out.

Yes we will be releasing all our dyno results, You'll see the Race Airbox/ECU will yield positive gains from 3,000 RPM all the way up.

The reason for the 3.91 rear end is to accelerate quicker and spend more time in the upper band were the most power is available.

The 3.91 is the best option to maintain driveability of the car both on the street and track. It will allow you to shave 0.2 seconds off your 0-62.5 MPH time and 0.25 seconds off your 1/4 mile time. It will also allow you to reach 64 MPH in 2nd and a top speed of 194 MPH in 6th

We offer guarantee on our products for build quality as well as performance gains.

I'd like to point something very importatant out for those of you speaking of NOS (mainly)...

Most of the places I go to race (autocrosses, tracks) have a strict policy of NO N2O ON THE PROPERTY. Even if I wanted it, I couldn't use it in the proper race applications. And then as others said, it runs out...which isn't exactly useful when you're doing an endurance race.

N2O adds weight to the car (with heaters and piping, etc) whereas the CF airbox, lightweight exhaust, pulleys, etc all contribute to lightening the car.

$4800 may be a lot, but will it seem like a lot when you have to rebuild your engine after 10-20k miles of hardcore forced induction usage? Probably not. Then comes in the (often times) unpredictable nature of FI cars (boost coming on in mid-corner, heat-soak, etc).

This airbox is MEANT for race applications (but WORKS on the street for those of us who'd need a daily driver out of the track car).

I trust anyone here who can afford and contemplates this kit will actually USE it on a track and wouldn't be swayed by so flimsy arguments for FI/N2O over it.

GREAT job MPILOT!!! I've been following this stuff since back when you were messing with just the headers, then getting the BBS RG wheels, and then the CF hood, etc. Nice to see this come through to fruition.

-Prince

Why do people always bring up NOS or FI when good NA tuning is brought up. I would NEVER put NOS on my car. FI is cool but I don't want to have to replace the motor in 10K-15K and yes I do know what I'm talking about. I lived in Japan and Had an RX-7 turbo and 2 180sx. I loved they way they ran but now I love the way a strong NA runs. IMO it’s definitely a more reliable and even elegant way to pull power form a motor.

I have spent more on my can NA tuning than I would have slapping a SC on it I have not but I know it would be less than SC. But I don’t care the car does exactly what I want it to do and in the twisties I been able to lose car with much more power than what I have.

Also the on off abruptness of SC and turbo charges makes much hard to be smooth in hard tight cornering. I bought and drive my M3 because of the handling and day to day drivability not for straight line acceleration. But at the same time when I go on Ferrari car club of the Rookies I find a lot of F355 and 360 drivers struggling to keep up in the canyons.

Originally posted by Blackspeed
Why do people always bring up NOS or FI when good NA tuning is brought up. I would NEVER put NOS on my car. FI is cool but I don't want to have to replace the motor in 10K-15K and yes I do know what I'm talking about. I lived in Japan and Had an RX-7 turbo and 2 180sx. I loved they way they ran but now I love the way a strong NA runs. IMO it’s definitely a more reliable and even elegant way to pull power form a motor.

I have spent more on my can NA tuning than I would have slapping a SC on it I have not but I know it would be less than SC. But I don’t care the car does exactly what I want it to do and in the twisties I been able to lose car with much more power than what I have.

Also the on off abruptness of SC and turbo charges makes much hard to be smooth in hard tight cornering. I bought and drive my M3 because of the handling and day to day drivability not for straight line acceleration. But at the same time when I go on Ferrari car club of the Rookies I find a lot of F355 and 360 drivers struggling to keep up in the canyons.


no offense poeple, but isn't this the E46 M3 thread ??

or does the E36 not have allot of traffic?

Originally posted by jajja
no offense poeple, but isn't this the E46 M3 thread ??

or does the E36 not have allot of traffic?

What???:95 How about me and you on any canyon, road track, or autocross. It's sound like all you are is a little bitch street racer who can't even Heel-Toe. :nono

And who put you in control in the first place??? I didn't see Moderator by your name! :mad:

Originally posted by Blackspeed
What???:95 How about me and you on any canyon, road track, or autocross. It's sound like all you are is a little bitch street racer who can't even Heel-Toe. :nono

And who put you in control in the first place??? I didn't see Moderator by your name! :mad:


hahahahahahahahaha

take it from a guy who doesn't have a E46 to get pissed off.. Oh yes i can drive.. You just don't worry.. I could careless if you were the fastest car on the track.. You only sound like someone that has to prove their existance.. Learn some security for christ sakes..

It’s obviously you that has the sercutiy problems. You keep trolling this page like you know what you are talking about when you really don’t.

Highly Intelligent asshole no after reading the tread it’sHighly Ignorant Asshole. :rolleyes:

I believe that anyone that wants to post here who is on topic can.

as shown to me from MpowerME

http://www.e46shop.de/airbox.jpg

East your eat out boys.. Funny similarities..

This is a Gruppem airbox.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Originally posted by Blackspeed
It’s obviously you that has the sercutiy problems. You keep trolling this page like you know what you are talking about when you really don’t.

Highly Intelligent asshole no after reading the tread it’sHighly Ignorant Asshole. :rolleyes:

I don't know that payng 4800 for a airbox is stupid.. ok man.. when you commit to that E46, go get one.. Tell us how you feel when you put it on..

Such fucking followers on here.. Keep sucking his ass some more.. And i'm the troll.. hahaha..

problem is that you don't have a clue.. If you did, then you'd start talking about parts that even go on your car in the first place..

PS.. See you at bimmerfest.. Can't wait to meet some of the social retards on this board.. We'll see then when you see who i am with if i am ingorant.. hahaha.. if you only knew...

You think you have a clue, but you'll be saying.. Oh... Sorry.. hahahahaa

Originally posted by jajja
as shown to me from MpowerME

http://www.e46shop.de/airbox.jpg

East your eat out boys.. Funny similarities..

This is a Gruppem airbox.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yes that's from S14 in Germany. Problem is it has no mass air on it and no software. It's made for stand alone engine management. Oh well.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174547

The point in this thread was that $1k is not bad for a GruppM considering all the carbon fiber work it has.

The box above alone is $2200 + shipping from Germany, with no mass air or software. It's a race piece.

:wave:

jajja, are you sure that is GruppeM, it looks like the CSL box to me. The GruppeM does nothing to that section of the intake. If ultimate bang for the buck is your thing it wouls be more appropriate to own a Corvette rather than an M3.

Originally posted by silver325i
jajja, are you sure that is GruppeM, it looks like the CSL box to me. The GruppeM does nothing to that section of the intake. If ultimate bang for the buck is your thing it wouls be more appropriate to own a Corvette rather than an M3.

It's a Gruppe-A race style airbox.

This is what BMW racers have run on their cars since the E30 M3 days.

For reference here is the complete E30 M3 race kit:
http://www.s14motorsport.de/shop/alpha03.jpg

So this stuff MPilot has is real. They have been racing in Germany with this stuff for years.

Does owning an E46 make you better than an E36 Driver? Does your car make you feel superior to me… talk about insecurities.:eyes1

I think the product is a nice piece of pukka race kit for the driver who really knows what they want from there M3. Even though it’s expensive I give it a thumbs up for quality and for providing good piece of NA engineering for the E46 M3. For owners that don’t want to NOS or FI there motors:drink1:

Right, I meant CSL style, which is the same as the Gruppe A style. I can not wait to see the dyno sheet on this, I think it will be the best thing to prove this kits value.

Originally posted by silver325i
Right, I meant CSL style, which is the same as the Gruppe A style. I can not wait to see the dyno sheet on this, I think it will be the best thing to prove this kits value.

True, dynos speak louder than words...

Originally posted by MPILOT
The race carbon fiber airbox is derived of the race spec M3, however we are selling a street version that works with the AFM and so doesn't affect emmissions if you are still running cats.

We will release dyno charts for a setup with full exhaust, no cats, stock cams, race airbox and ecu with 91 mapping.

We will also release one done on an SMG with race cats, schrock cams 280 degrees and 91 mapping.

The price fore the race airbox and ECU mapping is $4,800. This includes ECU mapping for you current modifications, as well as shipping back and forth to you. We are currently offering a 5% BF active members discount.

The downtime is about 10 days, 3-4 days with fedex, 2 days with the tuner programming the ECU, and 3-4 days with U.S. customs.




For our european folks I have called delage in november for the airbox and they sent me this page showing most common mods for the E46 m3.

they also have various cams programs, ecu tuning etc...but I focused on the Airbox. price mounted with Ecu + filter (green air filter i think) is 3000 EUR it takes a day or half a day, appointement requested and the airbox was available.

you can still buy the airbox for 1830 EUR (tax free)

their phone number is +33 5 53 40 30 99
fax is + 33 5 53 49 24 50

if you ask they will send you buy fax their tuning program (1 page, in french)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76520

I forgot :D


one of my relatives has from delage:

airbox+ ecu+ sports cams

and complete supersprint exhaust

and.. and...

NOS :clap: he mounted 1 injector (?) in the airbox just behind the air filter. if you are interested I will manage to get some pics :12:

wow that is a good price.
------------
Did delage add a specific fuel map for the nitrous?

Here are some pics of the Delage Sport 318 ti Widebody.

http://www.allsportauto.com/english/modules.php?name=Sportphoto&zl_idMD=918

Its running a 2.5 L S14 engine with 295 HP using the Delage Sport Carbon Fiber Race Airbox and Alpha N kit with high compression lightweight pistons.

where are those dyno sheets??:dunno

Originally posted by 332 TMS car
where are those dyno sheets??:dunno


hahahahahahah

and poeple still ask....

where are those dyno results??

and A55es like yourself still look like an A55... hahahahahahah

Originally posted by jajja
hahahahahahah

and poeple still ask....

where are those dyno results??

Yeah... man, we've all put up with your crap. Take this as a warning. If you don't have something to contribute, it would be best if you just left the thread alone. You've said your $0.02... we all heard you in the beginning, in the middle... now it's time to put it to an end.

Thanks Kev :)

Originally posted by Kevlar
Yeah... man, we've all put up with your crap. Take this as a warning. If you don't have something to contribute, it would be best if you just left the thread alone. You've said your $0.02... we all heard you in the beginning, in the middle... now it's time to put it to an end.

Thanks for looking out for my kev..

I wish you all the best of luck.............:wave: :clap: :buttrock

Dyno Sheets?

It would be also nice to see on the dyno sheets the air/fuel ratio.

MPILOT, are you there? Have you dynoed the car yet? Please respond.

Originally posted by silver325i
MPILOT, are you there? Have you dynoed the car yet? Please respond.

Ditto... what he said....

I was out of town for some bussiness, I just got back and the results will be posted here shortly.

I have the dyno sheets at the office. I will have to scan them and post them later on.

You will see our results for the Carbon Fiber Airbox with software, and Carbon Fiber Airbox with cams and software.

For those interested in our race kit, we will release the dyno results for the full race package with lightweight forged 12.8:1 CR pistons and Alpha N kit with 298 cams soon after.

I would like to see Dynomometer results as well. SAE corrected.

With all the requests, I would think dynos would be one of MPilot's top priorities.

Can't wait to see 'em :alright

Originally posted by m3brad
With all the requests, I would think dynos would be one of MPilot's top priorities.


You would think that would be the case.:laugh Although I think most just want to see the graphs over actually plopping that much dough down:awink:

Hi guys.
i have a lot to say actually about this air box debate, this Nos crap, and etc... well im a very good friend of Mpilot and i have driven both of his cars, the first one with a full exhaust system, 8800 redline, airbox, and his second E46 with full exhaust, 3.91 diff, 8800 redline, before installing his airbox. im gonna compare them with a 2001 Porshe GT3 that i have driven for couple of weeks. all i can say is that the 2nd M3 with a diff, ..., pulls stronger then a GT3 at low range, and the 1st car with an airbox/software/full exhaust, without a diff, is much crazier at high RPM's. overall, Mpilot will beat a GT3 at any given day. beleive me.
Im talking in a straight line.
i also drove a 470 hp wrx, and obviously it has more hp thn almost anything on the street, but this is not really usuable on canyons or tracks because of the power delivery, it comes on so suddently. the car below 3500 has no torque at all, its a 4 cylinder, so its really weak at those RPM's. you cant compare a high outout NA car to a street racer like the WRX. it's 2 diff styles of driving.

These Dyno results just arrived from Europe from Delage Sport. As the official importer for North America, we have to release their official results publically.

These results are for three E46 M3's, all with stock (Euro) headers and stock muffler. You can then compare these results to our local derived results that we obtained on our Kinetechnik Project E46 M3 with Supersprint Headers/mid pipe/muffler, which yields almost 25 HP over a stock M3 exhaust system.

The first is a Dyno chart of a stock E46 M3 that yielded 337.5 HP (SAE). When equipped with the Delage Sport stage I: Carbon Fiber Airbox and software yielded 324.2 WHP (SAE) (363.5 HP (SAE)) and 285 lb-ft (SAE).

The second was the test results for an M3 equipped with Delage Sport Stage II: Airbox/cams/sw yielded 381 HP (SAE) and 297.8 lb-ft (SAE).

The final was a dyno chart for the race kit with 12.8:1 CR pistons, cams, larger injectors and Alpha N kit yielded 358 WHP(SAE) (392.85 HP (SAE)) and 301.3 lb-ft (SAE).



All these results where performed with the stock exhaust system and standard street grade fuel (98 (RON) equivalent to 94 (AKI)). We have seen upto 385 HP (SAE) with stage I plus full exhaust. Our race kit has produced 430 HP (SAE) on race gas (110 (AKI)) with full exhaust.



Note:

CV is the same as HP (SAE)
conversion from NM to lb-ft 0.737
conversion from Kg.m to lb-ft is 7.23

All results were done on an E46 M3 on 5th gear (1:1 ratio) with a stock exhaust system to emphasis the specific gains from the Delage Sport porducts alone.

Fuel used was pump gas 98 (RON) (same as 94 (AKI)).



Street kits

Stage I
(Dyno Chart)


http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/Stage+I.JPG



Stage II
(Dyno Test Results)


http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/Stage+II.JPG

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/Stage+II-2.JPG





Race kit

Stage III
(Dyno Chart)



http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/Race+kit.jpg


Kinetechinik - Delage Sport NA.

how about putting those in RWHP numbers??

i see you did it for the first stage 1.. 324HP.. something we all have achieved already..nothing new here..

stage 2?? where's the RWHP. Mind telling everyone that the numbers you posted for Stage 2 and 3 are CRANK HP or CRACK HP...??

Nice trick trying to slip that past everyone though..

PS.. people those stage 2 and 3 numbers are not RWHP !!!!! so dont' get excited.. Seems like we'll have to guess what the RWHP would be if anything... Unless Mpilot has just made the most powerful M3 ever built, i guess PTG will be calling for a setup because this is crazy claims and these numbers are not even real.. We'll see if that happens wtih PTG.. This guy just constructed a more engineered car than any other engineer in the entire world....

Hey Jajja,
What do you mean he's trying to pass something through us? As someone that's looking into an M3, AND that likes what he's read about the system, what seems to be the problem?
He claims 358WHP, is that false?

M

Originally posted by MPILOT
These Dyno results just arrived from Europe from Delage Sport. As the official importer for North America, we have to release their official results publically.
.....


I'm having trouble parsing this statement. As the US importer, aren't you happy to release the official results? by saying that you 'have to release' suggests that its with some reluctance? or is this just a problem with a rushed post?

Also, are there any technical or contractual reasons why you can't dyno your cars w/ the airbox in the US on 91 and 94 octane from CA crap gas? (94 could be derived by mixing 100 race gas with 91). Verification on your SS exhaust system would certainly strengthen customer interest.

Stage II, which yields 381.3 HP (SAE) is in fact 339 WHP (SAE) if you do the math. I know someone was interested to see the results with the AFR and so that is shown in that test.

These results were all obtained on 94 (AKI) for the reason of standardizing the results of all 3 stages with one fuel grade. Since the race kit requires 94 (AKI) min. to operate, we had to do all these tests with that fuel so one can tell the incremental gain of each.

The difference in running 91 (AKI) will be 318 WHP (SAE) for stage I, and 330 WHP (SAE) for stage II. The Race kit will not run on 91 (AKI) as it requires min. 94 (AKI) and makes its major gains with race gas.

The reason for these test results showing only the Delage Sport components (stage I through stage III) without the supersprint headers/mid-pipe and aftermarket muffler, is because we are the Delage Sport exclusive importer and are not affiliated with Supersprint.

Even though we have that product working extreemly well with these kits, the purpose here was to show the gains available with only the Delage Sport products.

Those dynos were done on a car over there or over here in the US? Judging by the units of measure, it looks like they were done oversears.

Originally posted by Kevlar
Those dynos were done on a car over there or over here in the US? Judging by the units of measure, it looks like they were done oversears.

There were done overseas.... I guess there isn't dyno's in california for Mpilot to use..

so now the airbox makes 330RWHP on 91.. That isn't a large gain like you said there would be considering Evosport is about the same numbers as you are with their mods.. (non internal mods that is)..

what happened to these huge gains ?? PS.. this is america so let's talk what relevent... AKA 91 gas, for only a few on this board is going to maintain running a car on 100 and 91 mix..

No trying to be a A$$ but the word games and avoidance tactics are really getting old.. I'd rather you say the thing does what it does then trying to smooth words and make it look like everything is exactly as expected from the beginning..

I have been watching this thread from the beginning... How damn hard is it to put one of the cars on a DYNO here in the good ol u s of a ?? After all this time and BS all we get is dyno's from Delage...overseas..
MPILOT what is the deal man?? Why cant you provide dyno numbers from a car HERE ??

Hey MPilot,
Just get the car Dynoed here on Normal US gas (93 refferably even though you Ca guys have inferior fuel)

Personally, I don't need Stage 1, 2, 3, 4 , x, all I want is a solid number that I can say "After I got my baby breathing properly, I instaled these things and I got an extra XXhp."

But I'm seeing another problem now...looking through this thread I see that there are some people very excited about the product (like me) and others that don't believe it. Now I'm no expert, so I want to know why some people are against this product (or tuner) I know for a fact that when I dynoed my car, I got like 15hp extra from sticking the fan right against the intercooler (MCS properly dynod at 182 improper at 200whp) So Dyno sceptics like myself would take it with a grain of salt.

How about some Gtech numbers? Weigh the car, enter it properly, and give us those results, or even better, have someone that already has those installed do it (even if it's not stage 1,2,3,n) so that's it doesn't seem as bias.

Jajja, I've looked through this and other forums and it seems to me that you have something personal against Mpilot, If that's not the case, than I'm sorry (I don't mean to accuse you unjustly) but if it is, would you mind letting us in on that? How powerfull is your M3? Are you a Tuner? Are you currently developing or selling something similar?
This is not a personal attack on you, on the contrary, I'm just new (posting for the second time) and need to be caught up on certain things. I hate to put it this way, but in a sense I need to pick my side on this issue...a perfect example of this is on the MCS forums, a company called M7 is being attacked by a lot of people (it turned out friends of the compition in many cases) and it got out of hand. The sig "fastest and lightest Mini in SoCal" started an entire new thread about proving it...so now he has an open challange to anyone to come and try to "overthrown" him, and from what I hear from the people that have ridden with him, his claims are correct. I have many M7 products and now know the guy and think he has and keeps on coming out with some amazing stuff for the Mini. I wish I was in SoCal just to see his place/car. But I'm sure that would be an expensive trip. Also My new baby should be arriving in May/june, so the Mini's gonna have to rest for a while :)

Sorry about the long post people, but one things leads to another which leads to another etc...

M

Originally posted by Meani
Jajja, I've looked through this and other forums and it seems to me that you have something personal against Mpilot, If that's not the case, than I'm sorry (I don't mean to accuse you unjustly) but if it is, would you mind letting us in on that?

Yup... that's the feeling that I and many other have gotten too. What's the deal?

being attacked by a lot of people (it turned out friends of the compition in many cases)

Yup... that's the feeling that I and many other have gotten too.

It just took me 30 minutes to read through the last page of this post and reply, cause the connection here is so crap:bawl

Originally posted by Meani
Hey MPilot,
Just get the car Dynoed here on Normal US gas (93 refferably even though you Ca guys have inferior fuel)

Personally, I don't need Stage 1, 2, 3, 4 , x, all I want is a solid number that I can say "After I got my baby breathing properly, I instaled these things and I got an extra XXhp."

But I'm seeing another problem now...looking through this thread I see that there are some people very excited about the product (like me) and others that don't believe it. Now I'm no expert, so I want to know why some people are against this product (or tuner) I know for a fact that when I dynoed my car, I got like 15hp extra from sticking the fan right against the intercooler (MCS properly dynod at 182 improper at 200whp) So Dyno sceptics like myself would take it with a grain of salt.

How about some Gtech numbers? Weigh the car, enter it properly, and give us those results, or even better, have someone that already has those installed do it (even if it's not stage 1,2,3,n) so that's it doesn't seem as bias.

Jajja, I've looked through this and other forums and it seems to me that you have something personal against Mpilot, If that's not the case, than I'm sorry (I don't mean to accuse you unjustly) but if it is, would you mind letting us in on that? How powerfull is your M3? Are you a Tuner? Are you currently developing or selling something similar?
This is not a personal attack on you, on the contrary, I'm just new (posting for the second time) and need to be caught up on certain things. I hate to put it this way, but in a sense I need to pick my side on this issue...a perfect example of this is on the MCS forums, a company called M7 is being attacked by a lot of people (it turned out friends of the compition in many cases) and it got out of hand. The sig "fastest and lightest Mini in SoCal" started an entire new thread about proving it...so now he has an open challange to anyone to come and try to "overthrown" him, and from what I hear from the people that have ridden with him, his claims are correct. I have many M7 products and now know the guy and think he has and keeps on coming out with some amazing stuff for the Mini. I wish I was in SoCal just to see his place/car. But I'm sure that would be an expensive trip. Also My new baby should be arriving in May/june, so the Mini's gonna have to rest for a while :)

Sorry about the long post people, but one things leads to another which leads to another etc...

M


ok...

To answer you and Kev's questions..

The problem with this forum is that you all don't know of me except for a few that are local.. The few that know me know and understand (and don't dissagree either) why i am calling out Mpilot because of the BS that he feeds you people.. I am not a tuner, i am a avid enthusiast with serious industry contacts and connections. I am not bragging.. you asked and i will tell.. i work with all the major shops on products, upgrades, ideas and even partnerships with products. I just am disgusted how many poeple flock to follow rediculous claims. Poeple rather than interrupt the information, say WOW.. It's TRUE.. sorta makes me realize that not everyone in this world is as intellectual as others.. Not saying people here aren't smart, but based on the responses i don't think many poeple use logic when looking at this guys claims...

My grudge is that he is total BS.. I hate and will always fight anyone politically that trys to SCAM poeple with BS claims.. Call it my way of keeping the board clean of scams... I just do it cause i enjoy proposing arguments or challenges when i know there is no documents to support his claims.. (other than some BS euro dyno)...if i was a betting man, i woudl say he has Dynos of his car but won't post them... you can guess why he doesn't post them..

also notice that when someone is called on their BS, it normally gets ignored.. The same way Mpilot is ignoring all my logic behind my argument that his stuff is BS... Sure some guy in cali has out engineered all of BMW, the tuners in america and euro too.. now you can think what is more likely..

maybe i and a select few are the only ones that see what is really going on here... who knows..

These are the official test results obtained by the manufacturer.

Like I said, they were performed on 94 (AKI) to allow the race kit to safely operate and show comparison results.

Our local results were performed on our project M3 which has a full exhaust system, and Stage I. Therefore our numbers don't show the specific gains form the Carbon Fiber Airbox and software alone.

As I mentioned our local results will be available to our customers. We will also include track times/drag strip slips.

Delage Sport has been racing and developing race kits on M3s since the 1980's. They are closely connected to M GmbH not to tuners. Their capabilities extend far beyond your local tuner that develops street kits that undergo only a few month of testing. These kits have been on the S54 race cars in Europe since May of 2001.

I am not a tuner, i am a avid enthusiast with serious industry contacts and connections.:confused:

Call it my way of keeping the board clean of scams :confused:

My grudge is that he is total BS :confused:


Are you sure your grudge isnt a potential drain on your pockets? Nobody is asking you to buy it. The BMW car from PTG will vaporize any stock modified car any day. You are trying to confuse people by posting that Mpilot claims his car is faster than the PTG car or just as powerful:confused:

Even if Mpilot's car had as much HP as the PTG car, the power delivery to the wheels of both machines is a world apart. You can do all sorts of stuff to increase HP on a car, but that doesnt mean it will perform better than the BMW ENGINEERED RACE SPEC GT CAR, even if you gt it up to the same HP. There is more science and technology in the PTG car that no aftermarket tuner on earth will be able to duplicate.

If you have so many connections in the business, you should know this already. Keep in mind that ur identity is not as secret as you think.

That does not mean that the system Mpilot has on his car is no good. Maybe if Mpilot didnt have such a heavy foot, his car would be on the dyno instead of in police custody:nono

Originally posted by Tupps11


If you have so many connections in the business, you should know this already. Keep in mind that ur identity is not as secret as you think.


Don't you worry man.. Like i said. if you knew me i doubt you'd be thinking you got me figured out.. my secret identity.. haha.. if i wanted to disapear i could.. do i need to .. no.. When you pick up the next up comings month or so of a undisclosed tuner mag (not telling you), you'll see what i mean.. Until then i don't care what you or anyone thinks..

But think you are threatening me either with this we know who you are.. hahahaha

they asked for my reasoning, they got it.. You don't like it? then don't commit to the same BS you say i do by responding in the same manner you did..

that is all..

Our race kit has produced 430 HP (SAE) on race gas (110 (AKI)) with full exhaust.

The PTG M3 makes 420 bhp. This claims that MPILOT's race kit makes more.

PTG reached this point through boring and stroking the S54 and having no emissions regulations to pass.

Even though this is a full race setup, it's still rather hard to believe.

Also,

I am a local in Phoenix and a friend of Jajja's.

At times, he's more blunt and straight forward than I tend to prefer, but the fact of the matter is that he gets things done. He doesn't beat around the bush on anything. As you all have seen from the posts.

All the connections he has are for real, if any of you are skeptical...I know from experience, some of those connections resulted in a lot of the mods on my car.

And his M3 is definitely the most performance modded here in Arizona.

Like I said, Jajja is blunt, in some cases, maybe too blunt. The fact is though, a lot of power claims have been made regarding mods for the S54 i.e. software and now the intake. And no one is really producing the claims they say.

Chris

Originally posted by AzN_M5
The PTG M3 makes 420 bhp. This claims that MPILOT's race kit makes more.

PTG reached this point through boring and stroking the S54 and having no emissions regulations to pass.

Even though this is a full race setup, it's still rather hard to believe.


wow... You see poeple.. those who know me, see the logic and reasoning..

Maybe some just don't get it... Regardless.. eveyone knows my opinion too well.. I am done fighting over this..

Regardless of how unsafe or ignorant we tell people things are, they still do it.. Ex. Drunk driving, high speed racing, blah blah... weather it's mods or anyhting else, poeple have their own nature of the beast..

That does not mean that the system Mpilot has on his car is no good. Maybe if Mpilot didnt have such a heavy foot, his car would be on the dyno instead of in police custody

Thats very true Tupps11, I need to lighten my foot. I'm thinking carbon fiber honey combed with kevlar.

The good news is I found out how to free the car from the impound in less than the 30 days. I spoke to the detective that day and it worked out. :buttrock

I'm on the way now to get the car back in the stables. Only problem is I need a license:mad:

Anywayz at least I can get some video/sound clips of the car and post them here this weekend, don't worry I'll get someone else to drive her.

JAJJA,

I've been more than patient with your meaningless comments and insecure behavior. You refused to believe that this product existed, then when you saw it you continued your....

I'm not ignoring you, I read all your replies with great pleasure and a big grin. I just don't make time for you.

Originally posted by MPILOT

JAJJA,

I've been more than patient with your meaningless comments and insecure behavior. You refused to believe that this product existed, then when you saw it you continued your....

I'm not ignoring you, I read all your replies with great pleasure and a big grin. I just don't make time for you.

i can't wait to meet you.. we'll see how insecure you think i am... Yeah... i bet anyone that knows me thinks or had that cross their mind.... hahahahah such comedy... Don't worry.. i don't care if you make time for me.. go post your box on Roadfly.. watch you get destroyed from the guys that know a few more things that you do.. you post where you can get away with it... That's how i see it...

We'll meet and until i see proof, my opinion will be the same.. Yeah i was skeptical it even existed.. But since then.. How many other intakes have come out?? Exactly... Just another intake brother.. Not sure why you even post here, not much into marketing?? wish to reach a real customer, go to roadfly and talk to them... Then you'll see if you can sell this product to someone that could even use it.. There is guys in there that have made their cars full race, so your race kit woudl be perfect for them.. now you just have to convince them of not having the same opinion that i have...

/see you in san fran...


PS.. if you don't reply to my posts, then reply to AZN's about how your car makes more power than PTG's car.... Good accomplishment.. i bet they are callign you up just dieing to get your system now.. You out did them...

PTG reached this point through boring and stroking the S54 and having no emissions regulations to pass.

No PTG didn't bore or stroke the S54. The engine is at its bore limit and increasing displacement through stroking isn't true to the M character since that will lower the revving capability.

The race kit that we have is essentially the same as on the M3 GT PTG car. We make 392 HP (SAE) to the crank with the stock exhaust system on 94 (AKI). Add a full exhaust and 110 (AKI) and that number jumps to 430 HP (SAE).

Just as PTG's connection are straight to M GmbH, Delage Sport enjoys similar connection with a long racing record with M3's. PTG has been racing since the E36 days, while Delage Sport has been involved and racing with M GmbH since the E30 days.

Originally posted by MPILOT
These are the official test results obtained by the manufacturer.

Like I said, they were performed on 94 (AKI) to allow the race kit to safely operate and show comparison results.

Our local results were performed on our project M3 which has a full exhaust system, and Stage I. Therefore our numbers don't show the specific gains form the Carbon Fiber Airbox and software alone.

As I mentioned our local results will be available to our customers. We will also include track times/drag strip slips.

Delage Sport has been racing and developing race kits on M3s since the 1980's. They are closely connected to M GmbH not to tuners. Their capabilities extend far beyond your local tuner that develops street kits that undergo only a few month of testing. These kits have been on the S54 race cars in Europe since May of 2001.

Did I miss a dyno plot somewhere in this thread from you "local" results?? or are you just giving them to your customers? Why not dyno the car with the stage one/full exhaust... io would think most people here are going with full exhausts or have already

Looking forward to meet you Jajja.

Originally posted by MPILOT
Looking forward to meet you Jajja.

I think you just might be suprised....

care to answer any of my questions or comments about presenting your accomplishment with accurate US data to people that very well want to buy it?? or do i need to get someone to show interest in it to get the real dynos?

hell. i'm interested.. how much?

Originally posted by jajja
Maybe some just don't get it... Regardless.. eveyone knows my opinion too well.. I am done fighting over this..

Yes... yes we do, you've made your point a hundred and one times already, but you still continue.

I thought you said you were done fighting over this?

Could i please have some PIXIE dust as well .. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...

Originally posted by WizeGi///M3
Could i please have some PIXIE dust as well .. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...

Carmen,

i still remember that video you made of your car with the burn outs.. the music in teh beginning with the slow motion.. CLASSIC..

best combination of clasical music with a slow motion m3 with burn outs.. hahahahaha

compliments to the mighty CARMEN.. seriously.. i love it.. watch it all the time..

Jajja

Originally posted by jajja
Carmen,

i still remember that video you made of your car with the burn outs.. the music in teh beginning with the slow motion.. CLASSIC..

best combination of clasical music with a slow motion m3 with burn outs.. hahahahaha

compliments to the mighty CARMEN.. seriously.. i love it.. watch it all the time..

Jajja

I am glad to hear you enjoyed my antics..

Sorry to say i don't think my tires would agree with you:biglaughb

Reiterating what southjerseym3 said:

Originally posted by southjerseym3Did I miss a dyno plot somewhere in this thread from you "local" results?? or are you just giving them to your customers? Why not dyno the car with the stage one/full exhaust... io would think most people here are going with full exhausts or have already


I think we understand your wanting to post the manufacturer's official dynos, but if you have local dyno results, why not post your local results. And What does it take to qualify as one of "our customers". Are the local dynos & track times not available before purchase? You would satisfy many (including the less-civil types) by a simple post of your local dynos with whatever caveats you wish (SS instead of the Euro exhaust, 91 or mixed 92,93 or 94). Most vendors do this, why the prolonged delay?

Originally posted by MPILOT
...
Our local results were performed on our project M3 which has a full exhaust system, and Stage I. Therefore our numbers don't show the specific gains form the Carbon Fiber Airbox and software alone.

As I mentioned our local results will be available to our customers. We will also include track times/drag strip slips.

Originally posted by MPILOT
The race kit that we have is essentially the same as on the M3 GT PTG car. We make 392 HP (SAE) to the crank with the stock exhaust system on 94 (AKI).

so let me understand this correctly....

1. You're running Alpha N?
2. No internal work to the engine?

Mpilot can you provide a dyno sheet of YOUR car?

I want to see how much whp your kit makes with exhaust and all the other goodies you might have. Im not really interested in how much the airbox does alone....plus you would figure someone spending that much money on a airbox would probably get and exhaust too if he doesnt already have one.

You guys want to see what my car makes?



She will be back on the dyno next week.

I am running the Delage Sport Stage I with Supersprint Headers/race pipe and RD X-pipe/muffler and UDP. We will post it here for you guys to compare to the Delage Sport Stage I results.

There will also be a video clip while dynoing the car.



stevemedina,

The race kit has the following:

- Delage Sport Carbon Fiber Airbox
- Delage Sport 298 degree cams
- Delage Sport 12.8:1 CR forged pistons
- Delage Sport Alpha N

Produced 392 HP (SAE) on 94 (AKI) and 416 HP (SAE) on 110 (AKI), when we added a full exhaust while deleting the cats we saw 430 HP (SAE).

thanks.

jajja,

you said you were an engineer which is considered a profession, yet you hardly act professional. so why dont you step up and stop acting like a 3 year old. I'm sure your coworkers enjoy when you walk around yelling HAHAHAHA, becasue the majority of your posts contain just that. you've made some really valid points. and its OK that you are angry but reading through this thread its as if all you are is a bird flying around pooping on everyone elses post. just chill out. we all know by now what you think. so stfu:)

people will either buy the airbox or not, that is their choice, and if it is a P.O.S. people will stop buying it and jajja can finally be happy and go back to his pals at roadfly laughing all the way and brag how smart he is

Originally posted by MiniModder
jajja,

you said you were an engineer which is considered a profession, yet you hardly act professional. so why dont you step up and stop acting like a 3 year old. I'm sure your coworkers enjoy when you walk around yelling HAHAHAHA, becasue the majority of your posts contain just that. you've made some really valid points. and its OK that you are angry but reading through this thread its as if all you are is a bird flying around pooping on everyone elses post. just chill out. we all know by now what you think. so stfu:)

people will either buy the airbox or not, that is their choice, and if it is a P.O.S. people will stop buying it and jajja can finally be happy and go back to his pals at roadfly laughing all the way and brag how smart he is

excellent...

thanks

Originally posted by MiniModder
jajja,

you said you were an engineer which is considered a profession, yet you hardly act professional. so why dont you step up and stop acting like a 3 year old. I'm sure your coworkers enjoy when you walk around yelling HAHAHAHA, becasue the majority of your posts contain just that. you've made some really valid points. and its OK that you are angry but reading through this thread its as if all you are is a bird flying around pooping on everyone elses post. just chill out. we all know by now what you think. so stfu:)

people will either buy the airbox or not, that is their choice, and if it is a P.O.S. people will stop buying it and jajja can finally be happy and go back to his pals at roadfly laughing all the way and brag how smart he is

Amen to that!!!:buttrock

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MiniModder, Killer sig! :buttrock

Originally posted by JaWeb
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MiniModder, Killer sig! :buttrock


thanks

Originally posted by MiniModder
jajja,

you said you were an engineer which is considered a profession, yet you hardly act professional. so why dont you step up and stop acting like a 3 year old. I'm sure your coworkers enjoy when you walk around yelling HAHAHAHA, becasue the majority of your posts contain just that. you've made some really valid points. and its OK that you are angry but reading through this thread its as if all you are is a bird flying around pooping on everyone elses post. just chill out. we all know by now what you think. so stfu:)

people will either buy the airbox or not, that is their choice, and if it is a P.O.S. people will stop buying it and jajja can finally be happy and go back to his pals at roadfly laughing all the way and brag how smart he is

My sentiments exactly. I'm old enough and smart enough to make my own decisions. If I need someone to hold my hand while I make them I'll give you a call jajja. Please stop being such a bore.

jajja, if u think Mpilot's kit is not good, or too expensive, what would u do instead? the only thing u did till now is talk crap.
tell us what's the best thing u can do to an E46 M3, since ur the King of M3's apparently.

wow..... that was impressive... you really keep the thread going....

Are we done yet .???

Originally posted by jajja
wow..... that was impressive... you really keep the thread going....

Are we done yet .???

Gee, didn't we ask you that a while ago???:dunno

well the beats just keep on coming..

i love how people love to revisit old old old opinoins of others..

we all agreed to kill the BS, so with that.. i only expect some more opinions of others say.. YEah !! What he said..

Enough...

That intake look awesome...BUT...That kind of money for an intake, you gotta be shittin me!! Did BMW really undermine the flow of these M3's anyways? I don't think so, plus you are not going to get any moe than 15% more air through the heads unless you plan on doing some head work. I would love to see some flow numbers on a dyno with this system. I will take $2,000 port/polish my heads, buy a race header system, reprogram a little and get my 45HP and still have $500 for some wicked track time.

That intake look awesome...BUT...That kind of money for an intake, you gotta be shittin me!! Did BMW really undermine the flow of these M3's anyways? I don't think so, plus you are not going to get any moe than 15% more air through the heads unless you plan on doing some head work. I would love to see some flow numbers on a dyno with this system. I will take $2,000 port/polish my heads, buy a race header system, reprogram a little and get my 45HP and still have $500 for some wicked track time.

:eek: holy...4800...ya its a bit expensive for an air intake system, I thought GruppeM was expensive...but for all the enthusiasts out there, nothing is worth more then sqeezing any HP possible out of the super 3.2L. :buttrock

$4800 for squeezing 15-20 more HP out of a car with a specific HP over 100HP/L is cheap...seriously, what else can you do to this engine?

Headers and Exhaust.
ECU.
Pulleys.
Flywheel.
Differential.

This is a great deal for what's you're getting (a CF RACE intake).

-Prince

The price includes a custom reprogramming of your ECU.


Customers can choose from:

- Stage I (Carbon Fiber Airbox software - choice of fuel map 91, 92, 93, 94 (AKI)) 8,800 RPM redline.

- Stage II (Carbon Fiber Airbox and cams software - choice of fuel map 91, 92, 93, 94 (AKI)) 8,800 RPM redline.

A race software for use with either stage is also avilable, this requires 100 - 103 (AKI) race gas 100% of the time.

We have cams ranging from 272 to 298 degrees.

Custom software is also available to fit customers individual modifications and requirements.

Delage Sport spends 2 full days rewriting the software on each ECU, this is not your 5 minute ECU flash.

All the fuel, ignition, double vanos parameters and throttle response are altered.

Originally posted by MPILOT
The price includes a custom reprogramming of your ECU.


Customers can choose from:

- Stage I (Carbon Fiber Airbox software - choice of fuel map 91, 92, 93, 94 (AKI)) 8,800 RPM redline.

- Stage II (Carbon Fiber Airbox and cams software - choice of fuel map 91, 92, 93, 94 (AKI)) 8,800 RPM redline.

A race software for use with either stage is also avilable, this requires 100 - 103 (AKI) race gas 100% of the time.

We have cams ranging from 272 to 298 degrees.

Custom software is also available to fit customers individual modifications and requirements.

Delage Sport spends 2 full days rewriting the software on each ECU, this is not your 5 minute ECU flash.

All the fuel, ignition, double vanos parameters and throttle response are altered.

summary of pricing per item ??

Stage I goes for $4,800.

Stage II goes for $6,800.

We can also offer a software upgrade program for those running the schrick cams (272 or 280).

This is the total price including us shipping your ECU back and forth to Europe by Fedex, as well as the customs duties.

If a customer wants to upgrade from Stage I to Stage II, we sell the cam upgrade for $2,000. This includes choice of cams and the software upgrades to match the selected cam profile.

Originally posted by MPILOT
when we added a full exhaust while deleting the cats we saw 430 HP (SAE).

How is the car running without the cats? Any misfire problems? Are you going to put O2 simulators or just run the car with the check engine light on?

No factory emissions equippment are retained here.


The Race kit uses the Alpha N stand alone engine management, where you delete the AFM and the O2 sensors.

Thats why you can run the car on 110 - 113 (AKI) leaded race gas.

Stage I and II will work effectively with stock cats, or race cats or race pipe. You have to mention what exhaust equippent you are running so we can configure the software to match.

I have tried several O2 simulators to run with the race pipe setup, unfortunately nothing worked and the SES light was always on until I installed the Delage Sport Stage I and the software was able to correct the SES.

The codes are still present as code 39 and code 79 (error in EGT and post cat O2 readings), however the software didn't allow the SES to come on for those specific codes anymore. This way the SES light will only come on for a new code other than 39 or 79.

We are offering two types of carbon fiber airboxes:

- Type 1 for OEM strut bar (manufactured with dent to allow passage of OEM strut)

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC00916.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC00923.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC00960.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC00968.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC01062.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC01063.JPG

- Type 2 (slightly larger) to fit with Delage strut bar

(same as the one on my car now)

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/CF+Race+airbox+3.jpg

I don't suppose there's a chance in hell this will fit the 2001 M Coupe/Roadster?

-Prince

Originally posted by PrinceE30
I don't suppose there's a chance in hell this will fit the 2001 M Coupe/Roadster?

-Prince

Yes it does, this Airbox fits all the S54 motors. We also have application for the S14 and the S50B30 and S50B32 motors.

Wow, I guess that engine bay in the E37/38 chassis is pretty big!

Now, I'd like to know about SS headers on one of those things...

-Prince

So MPILOT, what makes this cone design better than the tubed end TMS one? I am just curious, I am not trying to start a conflict. And for anyone who said to wait and see what TMS is coming out with, they have a very similar box for a similar price that has to be installed in house.

Originally posted by silver325i
So MPILOT, what makes this cone design better than the tubed end TMS one? I am just curious, I am not trying to start a conflict. And for anyone who said to wait and see what TMS is coming out with, they have a very similar box for a similar price that has to be installed in house.

The cone filter is huge on the Delage Airbox and provides the necessary intake flow. I haven't seen the filter on the TMS airbox, but its housed inside and therefore is smaller in size.



These Airboxes are very similar in design with the following exception:

The Airbox that Turnermotorsport is using has no MAF, so requires an alpha N kit to make it work. This is a pure race kit that allows for fine dyno tuning, but also adds all the extra complexity for the daily driver. This is the primary reason for the only in house installation at TMS.

This is essentially the exact same airbox on www.e46shop.de, that digi-tec.de and kk-automobile.de uses. The airbox alone goes for 2,200 Euro ($3,000), then digi-tec an kk make an alpha N program for it and sell the package at 4,999 Euro ($6,865).

Digi-tec has dynoed this kit to provide 17 HP (crank) peak gain. They sell it as 2 stages, stage II includes cams where they gain a total of 27 HP at the peak.

The Delage Sport Airbox was dynoed at 27 HP (crank) peak gain for stage I and 43 HP (crank) peak gain for stage II. Stage I and Stage II are both supplied to the customer to be installed at your local mechanic.

Delage Sport Airbox (Type 1 that clears the OEM strut bar) with MAF and factory ECU

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC01062.JPG
http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/DSC01063.JPG

Originally posted by MPILOT
The Airbox that Turnermotorsport is using has no MAF, so requires an alpha N kit to make it work. This is a pure race kit that allows for fine dyno tuning, but also adds all the extra complexity for the daily driver. This is the primary reason for the only in house installation at TMS.

This is essentially the exact same airbox on www.e46shop.de, that digi-tec.de and kk-automobile.de uses. The airbox alone goes for 2,200 Euro ($3,000), then digi-tec an kk make an alpha N program for it and sell the package at 4,999 Euro ($6,865).


That isn't my understanding. I don't think that the TMS kit uses an Alpha N kit to work. Unless I misunderstood what I was told.

Its the same airbox that Digi-tec and kk uses that is sourced from e46shop.de. There is no MAF on this airbox, unless TMS modified the Airbox to have a mounting place for the AFM and screen. Then they would have had to write a custom software to work with the system.

It'll be interesting to see if they developed a different kit than digi-tec or kk.

The in house install only, leads to believe that it is exactly the same setup that digi-tec has on this airbox with Alpha N.

just got back from the craziest drive ever. this car with an airbox, full exhaust, 3.91, software, it's just too much for the streets.

i can't believe how much torque it has. we were on the freeway doing 80 mph in 4th, i was having a conversation with Mpilot and then i full throttled it, and in a matter of seconds we were at 140 mph, the quickest and easiest 140 i have ever ever done. It took no time to get up there.

even the GT3 that i drove wasnt like that. this M3 is incredible over 100 mph, the speedometer goes up as fast as it goes up from second to third. GT3 is no where near that.

under 100 mph, all i can say is that it's the craziest rush i've ever had. (after skydiving) sorry Mpilot ;) ur stuck to the seat constantly.

also, i have an E36 M3 with Cams, valves, port/polish, intake, full exhaust, chip, and i pull with stock E46 M3 all day. Sometimes i pull away from the SMG from stop. i raced Mpilot's car from o to 100 and he just pulled and pulled and pulled up to 7 or 8 car lengths. i wouldn't even try after a 100.

oh well, i can keep describing that power till tommorrow.
anyways, Dyno results are tom, u guys will see for urselves.



:buttrock

Here is our local dyno results performed on 91 (AKI). These runs were performed on a Dynamic Test Systems at Brainstorm in Marina Del Ray.

Dynamic Test Systems generate conservative numbers compared to the Dyno Jet, however Dynamic Test Systems is a 2WD/4WD dyno that has repeatable consistent values. This machine has the capability of measuring drivetrain loss and adjusting for (SAE) by accounting for altitude, humidity, barometric pressure and temperature.



The first is a dyno comparing a stock 2002 E46 M3 (6spd) running on 91 (AKI) to our Kinetechnik Project M3 equipped with the Delage Sport Stage I plus Supersprint headers/race pipe RD x-pipe/muffler and UDP running on 91 (AKI).

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/MPILOTvStock.JPG

Here the stock M3 generated 264.2 WHP, which is about 5-10 WHP lower than that on a Dyno Jet. The max peak gain here was 47.3 WHP and 8.6 lb-ft with a max gain of 75 WHP and 45 lb-ft at 7,400 RPM.






The second is a dyno comparing the same 2002 E46 M3 (6spd) equipped with GruppeM intake/Superchip/eisenmann race muffler and Supersprint x-pipe running on 91 (AKI) to our Kinetechnik Project M3 running the Delage Sport Stage I plus Supersprint headers/race pipe RD x-pipe/muffler and UDP running on 91 (AKI).

http://members.roadfly.com/mpilot/MPILOTvGruppeM,Eisenmann,SSxpipe,superchip.JPG






The car currently has an exhaust leak in the muffler, which accounts to some back pressure loss. Our project M3 will return to the Dyno next week with a fixed muffler for new results. We will release the updated results next week vs 100 (AKI) results.

Note:

Delage Sport StageI: Delage Sport Carbon Fiber Airbox/software

We expect at least another 5WHP when the muffler leak is fixed.

Not to rain on your party Mpilot, but 311 RWHP isn't nothing compared to what you were saying a while back when you first started this thread.. Or am i the only one seeing that the Max HP numbers and the graphs are not adding up.. the graph shows gains that the numerics at the left didn't record.. (photoshop ??) The RPM's match up with the numeric numbers to the graph but the HP doesn't.. Werid i say.. Very Weird.. Looks like the rightside numbers were either raised up or something...

FYI. if it's really 311 RWHP, then 311 RWHP has been done without your $4800 box by Evosport, so i am not sure what exactly your claiming here or even what the gain is..

I'd like to see what the gain on a stock engine with just your box to baseline the real potential it has..

You can build a 311 RWHP car with all the mods available without going internal on the S54 right now without the intake.

I honestly was expecting more than what has already been proven by other shops..

311Hp can be obtained with the following..

New Evosport Intake (less than 1K)
Good Software
Intake Gizmo
SS Headers + Mid Pipes + Exhaust
Under Drive Pullies
Upgraded Plugs
Good Gas
3.91 for Torque increases (if you want it)
Cams (if you want the extra 5RWHP)

As everyone can see, i expect to match Mpilots RWHP offer without his intake also without going internal.. I guess we'll just have to see won't we??

also... did you get one run on your car or two? cause the graphs for both runs for your car are exactly the same for both.. i assume you did nly one and overlayed it for illistration purposes.. no matter.. one run is all that is needed..

311.5 WHP was achieved on a Dynamic Test Systems dyno, which generates conservative numbers lower than that of the Dyno Jet by 5 - 10 WHP.

Another issue is the leak in the muffler which accounts for about 5 WHP loss.

Either way you have to look at the gains standardized on the same dyno which shows as 47.3 WHP gain, this is equivalent to 57 HP (flywheel). This shows a max peak gain of 18%.

We have released the official results obtained by Delage Sport, which shows a peak gain of 27 HP (flywheel) gain for the Delage Sport Carbon Fiber airbox and software.

When you upgrade to stage II with cams, the gains are 18 HP (flyweel) at the peak.

:az:

:rain

:eyes1

If you say so man....


5-10 HP conservativeness doesn't account for the huge differences between the graph and the numbers posted..

Still think you can't get a 3.91 for less than 600?? or your pride stopping you from asking me where to get it?? For you i'll sell them for 750.00 just cause it's the same thing your doing with this airbox.. buy it for A sell it for A+A+A+A+A+

Fun when someone does it to you huh? hahaha

Why does the stock m3 dyno stop at 7500 rpm?

Originally posted by ray
Why does the stock m3 dyno stop at 7500 rpm?

Thats what I was thinking....

jajja, I do not see what you see is wrong with the dynos. The HP numbers are on the left while the TRQ ones are on the right. Looks pretty good, but why were they dynoed in third gear, or is that not what the "Gear 3" at the bottom means?

Originally posted by silver325i
jajja, I do not see what you see is wrong with the dynos. The HP numbers are on the left while the TRQ ones are on the right. Looks pretty good, but why were they dynoed in third gear, or is that not what the "Gear 3" at the bottom means?

look at the max HP numbers on the top left