According to the article in R&T this month comparing the top pics of 2004 it is interesting to note the specs on the GT3. Since there has been such animosity on this forum about how much more bad ass it is than the M3, I thought it would be fun to point out some interesting ways of looking at this situation.

Taking into account the pricing on the GT3, it is more comparible to put it in competition with the CSL, which costs 9k less than the GT3. Although the GT3 out performs the CSL in 0-60 and 1/4 mi acceleration, the CSL absolutely decimates the Porsche (any porsche) in the skidpad... 0.92 for the GT3 and a whopping 1.60 for the CSL, which puts the CSL closer to a Formula 1 car than any car on the road. On a track, that skidpad rating would allow the CSL with equal drivers to annihilate the GT3 like a VW Beetle.

So in comparing the US M3 with the Turner Motorsports suspension, wheel, tire, etc. upgrades (about $20k less than a GT3 after all is installed, being exactly what I have on my car) the US M3 will spank the GT3 silly all day, any day, any where, and for those of you who were saying you would rather have a GT3 than a M3 Supercharged, then you my friends are in dire need of a head examination.

Thank you.

The CSL comes with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires which are DOT R-compounds. This is a MAJOR contributing factor to the skidpad (and Nurburgring lap time) performance gap over the GT3.

I'd love to see a comparison between the two with the same tires.

I hear what you are saying, but I seriously doubt that the tires would add that much more in a skidpad rating, and besides Bimmer mag is saying the Turner setup on their Imola Red M3 would take out the CSL. They don't even have a blower on their car.

I highly doubt that the CSL can pull a 1.6 on the skid pad. To get those numbers, you must have a full on racing car(show an article saying this) . I may be wrong but I have watched my fair share of GT races, and most of those cars cant pull that, heck le mans cars barely pull 2 G's. And for that GT3 skid pad thing, C&D tested the GT3 to pull a 1.03 on the skid pad(C&D january 2004) (just trust C&D more for some reason). Now as to what is a better car, i think the porsche is a much better track car, ask anyone. But as for the supercharged M3 thing, sure it will spank a 385 hp GT3 in a straight line, but around a track that thing better have some "good" suspension to beat a stock GT3.

Originally posted by CARWRECK86
I highly doubt that the CSL can pull a 1.6 on the skid pad.

I know for a fact that the CSL pulls a 1.6 on the skidpad because Bimmer Magazine did a review on it a few months ago with a cover page "We Drive the CSL" and they said so, go look it up yourself.

As far as suspension, my current setup is Bilstien PSS9's with Dinan Strut braces front and rear. For wheels I use BBS RSGT 19" with Michelin Pilot Sport tires. I am putting the AA S/C on my car as soon as it is available for sale and I guarantee you it will smoke the GT3, GT2, 911 Turbo, etc. for a lot less than those cars cost. Don't get me wrong, I love Porsche, but I will enjoy creating an M3 that will decimate all.

1.6!! You are retarded, magazines can misprint something buddy. The fact that you don't recognize this as an error indicates that you don't really know what your talking about. Street cars, no matter what tires they may have, will never pull anything close to 1.6. To get anywhere near this aerodynamics are needed, and aerodynamics have no effect on a 200ft diameter skid pad because the car simply isn't going fast enough to produce downforce.
While the CSL may have a slightly higher skidpad rating (it's probably around .95) this does not mean that it therefore is a better handling car. Handling cannot be entirely quantified-the fact that one car may produce slightly higher levels of grip does NOT therefore mean that it handles better. Vehicle dynamics cannot be simplified to lateral grip and slalom speeds or whatever. I'm sorry dude but you sound like a complete idiot-when you get your m3 up to 1.6g's Ross Brawn will resign and so will Schumi.

Dude, think about it. A civic is like .75, a Ferrari is like .95. Do you honestly think that the CSL would generate almost TWICE the grip as a GT3 Porsche??

Hey, lets chill. If the magazine printed it, it might be true. Though I doubt the M3 CSL has rated that high. I believe the published figure I had seen was 1.06. :dunno

"It might be true." Physics apply everywhere on earth; its definatly not true. 1.06, possibly.

"decimate all. " That freaking hilarious! Dude, you need to go on www.6speedonline.com and see what people do to their P-car. Especially 996 Turbo. Turbo upgrade and up to 600HP in a very reliable set-up. And doesn't matter what suspension you have, you can never overcome physical mass or rewrite physics.
And if you want to smoke p-cars, you are better off w/ ground- control coilovers and lighter 18" wheels like SSR competition. BMW Car mag reccommends 18 rather than 19 for serious driving.

Originally posted by M Threesome
I hear what you are saying, but I seriously doubt that the tires would add that much more in a skidpad rating

Now imagine doing the same test without tires or even bald tires(not slicks!) Would that reduce the G figure somewhat, of course it would.

How can you not think tires will not make the differance, if tires were not a factor it would keep gripping until it rolled over!

1.6 no way, as other have said more like 1.06 at a push.

There must be some different tire comparasions with 'G' results on the net somewhere?

Originally posted by nsk223
1.6!! You are retarded, magazines can misprint something buddy. The fact that you don't recognize this as an error indicates that you don't really know what your talking about. Street cars, no matter what tires they may have, will never pull anything close to 1.6. To get anywhere near this aerodynamics are needed, and aerodynamics have no effect on a 200ft diameter skid pad because the car simply isn't going fast enough to produce downforce.
.

Calling names is really not necessary, and I tend to trust that the editors of Bimmer are doing their jobs well, but maybe it was a misprint. As far as the CSL goes, why don't you go watch the video of it racing in the M3 E46 forum and notice some of the vehicles it is blowing by, namely some Japanese street bikes and a 996 Twin Turbo.

As far as M3325, I am well aware of their power... in fact I am probably one of the only people posting in this thread that has been for serveral drives in a few Porsches with 500-650+ bhp (yes, I just said 650 bhp, thats ~500 whp in a 996 turbo) and is also a regular driver of a '03 C4S and 996 Turbo X50, what have you driven? I never assumed that an M3 could beat one of those 600+ HP cars. What I was comparing was price for value of the M3 with mods to a GT3 or a 996 Turbo stock. You can have an awesome M3 that will outhandle, out-accelerate any Porsche (except the Carrera GT) for a lot less money. Not to mention you can fit 4 people in the car and have a useful trunk too.

And don't even go there with the honda civics that can run 9's for a lot less money because they can't take a corner on a cold day in hell.

If F. Porsche was still alive you would be stoking him all day long, why didn't you buy a Porsche then?

Originally posted by M Threesome
According to the article in R&T this month comparing the top pics of 2004 it is interesting to note the specs on the GT3. Since there has been such animosity on this forum about how much more bad ass it is than the M3, I thought it would be fun to point out some interesting ways of looking at this situation.

Taking into account the pricing on the GT3, it is more comparible to put it in competition with the CSL, which costs 9k less than the GT3. Although the GT3 out performs the CSL in 0-60 and 1/4 mi acceleration, the CSL absolutely decimates the Porsche (any porsche) in the skidpad... 0.92 for the GT3 and a whopping 1.60 for the CSL, which puts the CSL closer to a Formula 1 car than any car on the road. On a track, that skidpad rating would allow the CSL with equal drivers to annihilate the GT3 like a VW Beetle.

So in comparing the US M3 with the Turner Motorsports suspension, wheel, tire, etc. upgrades (about $20k less than a GT3 after all is installed, being exactly what I have on my car) the US M3 will spank the GT3 silly all day, any day, any where, and for those of you who were saying you would rather have a GT3 than a M3 Supercharged, then you my friends are in dire need of a head examination.

Thank you.

I also think the CSL is far superior to the GT3 when it comes to handling and that is why it was able to beat the GT3's time on the Nur ring.

Originally posted by hsmith
I also think the CSL is far superior to the GT3 when it comes to handling and that is why it was able to beat the GT3's time on the Nur ring.

Yes, and the Turner MS setup is supposed to exceed the CSL in handling so Porsche can eat their hearts out.

How you can trust the editors of some magazine over your own common sense? 1.6g's does not happen on road cars. Look through the back of any car magazine and look at skidpad ratings. Nothing will be above 1g: Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, none of them will be above 1g. How would the CSL then be 1.6g? THINK! A stock m3 is like .9 on the skidpad, why then would the CSL be 1.6g?? Also, you are still overlooking the fact that a higher level of lateral grip does not necesarily mean a superior handling car. The CSL is a great car but the fact that it was faster around the nurburgring than the GT3 is no doubt in part attributed to the tires. Just as a counterpoint, the GT3 was faster than the CSL around Top Gear's test track.

1.06 buddy. is anyone gonna bring up the issue of S/C on high compression engines??? sure they're working on it, but id b vary skeptical before slappin one of those suckers on, but the 996s can handle that 650+hp no prob.
Also, whats the need to validate your m3 against a GT3. if you want performance and value(thats your argument, rite?) s/c a z06, and it'll eat your s/c m3 alive, and cost less (lets not even get into handlin).
com'on guys, the m3 is an awesome frikken car, brings a smile everytime i drive it, but its not a purpose biult track car... it weighs 3400+lbs and has a back seat. also if you really wanna compare it to a GT3, you should use a s/c on your m3, GT3 is N/A buddy.

(side: just b/c youve ridden in a modded p-car, doesnt make you the only one, weakened your credibility dude. seriously, this thread belongs in one of those "when my civic has a new GSR motor...." threads. your a BMW driver, act like one)

If I might add something...

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cups are standard equiment on the GT3. These tires were originally developed FOR PORSCHE and their GT3 Cup. I can't see why most tests done with the GT3 would not have included these tires.

-Prince

Yea but can a z06 eat an m3 alive in STYLE, heck no. Lets at least stick to engines with similar displacements.

Originally posted by PrinceE30
If I might add something...

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cups are standard equiment on the GT3. These tires were originally developed FOR PORSCHE and their GT3 Cup. I can't see why most tests done with the GT3 would not have included these tires.

-Prince

It was my understanding that the Mich Pilot Sport "2" (developed for the GT3---I think I read this on tirerack.com) tires are standard which are not an R compound like the Cup tires are which come on the CSL.

Originally posted by hsmith
I also think the CSL is far superior to the GT3 when it comes to handling and that is why it was able to beat the GT3's time on the Nur ring.

Again, the tires make all the difference in the world--believe it or not.

With the same tires, I'd wager that the GT3 would post a better lap time at the Nordschleife.

When people bring up the Z06 it makes me want to scream... who gives a damn about that American piece of crap. Is it a fast car, yes it is.... does it look like a cheap, plasticy, American piece of crap, yes it does. For the money I could have a ZO6 that would annihilate anything on the road, but I would still feel like a beer drinking, mullet having loser in it.

And by the way, I blew a Z06 away on Sunset Blvd about a week ago in my M3, granted the guy in the Z06 was probably a poor driver, but I still beat him and it was fun.

I don't want to get into a bickering match with you on this again, but I will point out some obvious points.

#1- 1.6g's is a typo. There should be no question about this.

#2- Yes, tires make a HUGE difference. Below is a quote from the AA S/C thread,

"Here's the problem with the CSL vs. GT3 Nurburgring times, the CSL comes with R-Compound tires (Pilot cup Sports) from the factory. The GT3 comes with street tires.

I don't know how much track testing you have done with tires, but from my experience, R-Comps knock off about 2-3 seconds/lap at my local track which is about a 80 second course.

So GT3 did the 'ring in 428 seconds. Devide that by 80, giving 5.35 then multiply that by 2.5 seconds (average) and you can estimate that the GT3 would knock off 13.3 seconds off its 'ring lap time on R-Compounds.

Or, if the CSL were on street tires, it would lose approx. 13.1 seconds.

In conclusion, the GT3 IS faster on the 'ring with similar tires. Comparing a car with r-comps vs. one with street tires is like comparing apples to oranges. IMO, you have to have similar tires to do a fair comparison. BMW is really using "cheater" tires to obtain that 'ring time. "


#3- You are really comparing two different beast. The M3 is a compromise car. Its supposed to be a comfortable daily driver with some sporty characteristics. A GT3 (or GT2, or Turbo) is made to GO FAST. Its lighter, has an engine with more potential, has better brakes (can't get much better than the cermaic units they come with) and is better suited to driving fast than an M3.

Damn, Spencer beat me to it.

But anyway the 1.6g error is everywhere, Roundel, Bimmer, online articles, etc. I can't believe so many "knowledgeable" sources have printed it. :nono

I think some of you are in the wrong forums, try typing in your URL: www.porschestrokers.com.

Just because I drive a BMW, enjoy working on BMWs and sell BMW parts as partial income, does that mean that I can't give props to another car/manufactuer that is superior in the performance category?

Credit is given where credit is due. And in this situation, I think credit needs to be given to Porsche.

The key is look at this from an un-biased view, which I dont think you are doing. You were the one who believed the 1.6g skidpad rating, which says something about your biased opinion.

Originally posted by twistedbydsign9
Yea but can a z06 eat an m3 alive in STYLE, heck no. Lets at least stick to engines with similar displacements.

hahahahaha, dude you're priceless. style=engine displacement WTF. value was an original point of comparison, not engine displacement. both cars are $50k. ... "if you got nothing smart to say....."

M Threesome

Are you kidding? your the reason people hate BMW drivers, cocky as hell. "that car looks cheap, so i must be faster" (opinion btw) FACT OF THE MATTER IS FOR THE SAME MONEY (LESS PROBABLY) ITS A BETTER PERFORMER IN EVERY ASPECT. like Spencer said M3 is a compromise car, Z06 and GT3 are not. so lets all grow up, get your heads out of your civics, peel off those 75 hp decals and realize what your driving, and what your driving next too.

Spencer, i agree w/ everything you said except for 1 thing. Scot Galaba (twisted) bought and sold his GT3 after 1500 street miles. 1 of the ceramic rotors was cracked; Porsche tried to claim that it was 'normal' (after first accusing him of racing his GT3). There were some long threads on the rennlist forum rehashing the problems w/ the ceramic rotors & mismatched pads. At $5k per rotor and the fact that they didn't stop much better than standard Brembos- even a Porsche instructor had a rotor failure at Barber. But they are lighter. Also, Scot said the suspension needed to be re-tuned because of the reduced wgt (it was setup for steel rotors). Transition pavement was unpredictable, as were the ceramics stopping behavior.

You probably know that Scott will be racing in Speed World Challenge this next season.

BTW, you may recall that i was 1 of the guys who said that i'd rather have a GT3 than a centri- SC'd e46m3 (would prefer a twin-screw but w/ upgraded clutch & maybe internals). But likely i'll wait for a M4 V8 or maybe next-gen Z06.

Originally posted by Spencer
...GT3...has better brakes (can't get much better than the cermaic units they come with) ...

Originally posted by Spencer
Just because I drive a BMW, enjoy working on BMWs and sell BMW parts as partial income, does that mean that I can't give props to another car/manufactuer that is superior in the performance category?

Credit is given where credit is due. And in this situation, I think credit needs to be given to Porsche.

The key is look at this from an un-biased view, which I dont think you are doing. You were the one who believed the 1.6g skidpad rating, which says something about your biased opinion.

damn rite

Originally posted by biodan
Spencer, i agree w/ everything you said except for 1 thing. Scot Galaba (twisted) bought and sold his GT3 after 1500 street miles. 1 of the ceramic rotors was cracked; Porsche tried to claim that it was 'normal' (after first accusing him of racing his GT3). There were some long threads on the rennlist forum rehashing the problems w/ the ceramic rotors & mismatched pads. At $5k per rotor and the fact that they didn't stop much better than standard Brembos- even a Porsche instructor had a rotor failure at Barber.

Interesting info. I don't read any porsche forums or magazines so I'm not too up to date on these problems.

When they first came out, I did have doubts whether or not these rotors would last on the street.

Hopefully time and technology will improve the ceramic rotors because they are a good idea on paper. Not to mention, it wouldn't hurt if they were a bit cheaper. $5k/rotor. :eek:

Spencer is right. M3threesome is wrong.

Originally posted by M Threesome
I hear what you are saying, but I seriously doubt that the tires would add that much more in a skidpad rating...

WAY off...tires can make a night and day difference.

I have owned two bmws and now race porsches and karts! the CSL will get its ass handed to it by the GT3. And btw since you obviously know absolutely nothing about racing, skidpad or tires, then let me fill you in. R compound tires DO make that big of a difference. Your comments show me two things, one you dont track seriously and two you have never driven or raced on R compound tires. When i ran even street tires i was 4-6 seconds slower around the track then on my R compounds. THAT IS HUGE! Oh and BTW around Nuremburg the GT3 romped on the CSL! If you dont believe me try looking at some european magazines! Get your facts straight before you try to act like you know a thing or two about racing or numbers in magazines. Oh btw the dodge viper pulls 1.1Gs on the skidpad and it consistently gets it ass handed to it at local tracks by porsches and even M3s! Let me tell ya something, skidpad numbers dont make a race car and the CSL as nice as it is, will get its butt kicked by a GT3 given the same or equal driver. Its funny how even on a bmw forum NO ONE agrees with you! I am sorry about my harshness but it agrravates me when people know nothing about the topic and run their mouths about it!

Thank you!!

Originally posted by Dinan3XI
I have owned two bmws and now race porsches and karts! the CSL will get its ass handed to it by the GT3. And btw since you obviously know absolutely nothing about racing, skidpad or tires, then let me fill you in. R compound tires DO make that big of a difference. Your comments show me two things, one you dont track seriously and two you have never driven or raced on R compound tires. When i ran even street tires i was 4-6 seconds slower around the track then on my R compounds. THAT IS HUGE! Oh and BTW around Nuremburg the GT3 romped on the CSL! If you dont believe me try looking at some european magazines! Get your facts straight before you try to act like you know a thing or two about racing or numbers in magazines. Oh btw the dodge viper pulls 1.1Gs on the skidpad and it consistently gets it ass handed to it at local tracks by porsches and even M3s! Let me tell ya something, skidpad numbers dont make a race car and the CSL as nice as it is, will get its butt kicked by a GT3 given the same or equal driver. Its funny how even on a bmw forum NO ONE agrees with you! I am sorry about my harshness but it agrravates me when people know nothing about the topic and run their mouths about it!

Well said Mr. Mo :stickoutt

I know for a fact that the CSL pulls a 1.6 on the skidpad because Bimmer Magazine did a review on it a few months ago with a cover page "We Drive the CSL" and they said so, go look it up yourself.

I did look it up. . . . just wanted everyone to know, Bimmer Magazine NEVER said the CSL pulled a 1.6. I re-read the article last night and they say that the CSL is capable of 1.4 (still very far-fetched) but not 1.6.

Get your facts straight, I have the magazine sitting right here.

:nono

1.4g's for a moment is differnet than sustaining that around a skidpad. Again, street cars don't really get about 1g on the skidpad.

Originally posted by M Threesome
When people bring up the Z06 it makes me want to scream... who gives a damn about that American piece of crap. Is it a fast car, yes it is.... does it look like a cheap, plasticy, American piece of crap, yes it does. For the money I could have a ZO6 that would annihilate anything on the road, but I would still feel like a beer drinking, mullet having loser in it.

And by the way, I blew a Z06 away on Sunset Blvd about a week ago in my M3, granted the guy in the Z06 was probably a poor driver, but I still beat him and it was fun.

Originally posted by twistedbydsign9
Yea but can a z06 eat an m3 alive in STYLE, heck no. Lets at least stick to engines with similar displacements.

Two of the most idiotic comments I've read so far on this forum.

Z06's are just sick sick cars. I agree the interior isn't as nice, but when you're on the track, who cares? If you're serious about racing, it'll all get torn out anyway :cool: If it ever came down to the M3 and the Z06 on the track, I'll proudly wear that mullet any day of the week :rolleyes:

I couldn't help but laugh at the febile attempts to justify why your M3 is a better performance vehicle than a GT3.

You can put whatever coilovers on your M3.
With equal drivers, the GT3 will run circles around you, and with same tires, spank even the CSL. IMO the CSL is what the M3 should've been, not the 3400 lbs. car it is today.

Methinks you need to spend some more time at racetracks rather than reading magazines and streetracing.....:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dinan3XI
I have owned two bmws and now race porsches and karts! the CSL will get its ass handed to it by the GT3. And btw since you obviously know absolutely nothing about racing, skidpad or tires, then let me fill you in. R compound tires DO make that big of a difference. Your comments show me two things, one you dont track seriously and two you have never driven or raced on R compound tires. When i ran even street tires i was 4-6 seconds slower around the track then on my R compounds. THAT IS HUGE! Oh and BTW around Nuremburg the GT3 romped on the CSL! If you dont believe me try looking at some european magazines! Get your facts straight before you try to act like you know a thing or two about racing or numbers in magazines. Oh btw the dodge viper pulls 1.1Gs on the skidpad and it consistently gets it ass handed to it at local tracks by porsches and even M3s! Let me tell ya something, skidpad numbers dont make a race car and the CSL as nice as it is, will get its butt kicked by a GT3 given the same or equal driver. Its funny how even on a bmw forum NO ONE agrees with you! I am sorry about my harshness but it agrravates me when people know nothing about the topic and run their mouths about it!

IIRC, I remember watching many GT races on Speedvision where the Dodge Viper spanked the Porsches. I have also seen the Tekademics Gumball 3000 video where the Autothority Stage 7 996 Turbo with 760 bhp gets spanked around the track by the 800 bhp Lingenfelter Vette. I also remember many times where the Mercedes CLK GTR spanked the Porsche GT1 too. IIRC, porsche withdrew from GT1 class because their cars aerodynamics were F-ed and their cars kept flipping upsidedown.

The difference between you and many of the other people who seem to know so much about what they are talking about is that I have spent many hours of high performance driving on the street and track in M3s, Porsches, and Audi. I know what the cars are capable of, and I know what my M3 drives like compared to a GT3. If the skidpad reading is an error, then so be it, however I am looking at the Bimmer Magazine right now that says 1.6. In fact, I am going to call Bimmer tomorrow and ask them if it was a misprint. I give much props to Porsche, and it seems that many of you are not seeing the origional comparison that I was making between a tricked M3 and a stock GT3.

As far as the Z06 goes, it is an insanely fast car and I respect its performance value. I am well aware that if you dumped money into the engine of a Z06 it would be almost unbeatable, they had one in C&D that did 0-60 in 2.0 secs and ran a 9.6 1/4 mile. Still, IMO it looks like sh*t and I would never own one... IMO american cars are ugly and cheap and I hate them all.

Next month, when I put the blower in my M3 I will challenge anyone in SoCal to a Lap at a track of their choice and we can see who is right and who is a bitch.

Originally posted by ///MZG
I did look it up. . . . just wanted everyone to know, Bimmer Magazine NEVER said the CSL pulled a 1.6. I re-read the article last night and they say that the CSL is capable of 1.4 (still very far-fetched) but not 1.6.

Get your facts straight, I have the magazine sitting right here.

:nono

You aint gotta lie to kick it man.

I agree 100% with everything Spencer said. And they are 2 different cars with different purposes.

Originally posted by M Threesome
I hear what you are saying, but I seriously doubt that the tires would add that much more in a skidpad rating,

I could have just stopped reading your argument right then and there ...but I went on.

Originally posted by M Threesome
The difference between you and many of the other people who seem to know so much about what they are talking about is that I have spent many hours of high performance driving on the street and track in M3s, Porsches, and Audi.

High performance driving on the street...I thought that was an oxymoron? Competed in any real races on a track? Which HPDEs or schools have you done? This isn't an attack, I myself have no racing experience and have only attended one HPDE, I'm just interested in your experience to see where you're coming from.

Originally posted by M Threesome
And by the way, I blew a Z06 away on Sunset Blvd about a week ago in my M3, granted the guy in the Z06 was probably a poor driver, but I still beat him and it was fun.

You live very close to me...you probably drove right past my house when you were with the Z06. If you like the canyons...maybe you could join us in Mulholland one day. There are always lots of cars there canyon running..i've showed a few M3s my taillamps, and some civics have showed me theirs. Let me know if you're interested.

somebody please race this guy!!!!

preferably someone in a porsche or a Z06!!!!

too bad he's in SoCal.......

we should post this guy's challenge up on www.6speedonline.com i'm sure someone there would luv to put him in his place........

ok, i'll do it :evil2

You aint gotta lie to kick it man

Ummm, maybe there were two articles on the CSL. The one I am looking at has the D2 Technik 745i on the cover with a small picture of the CSL at the top. At the bottom of the 2nd page of the article it says that the CSL has very grippy seats, which are necessary when the car is capable of 1.4 lateral G's.

What were you looking at?

Originally posted by ///MZG
Ummm, maybe there were two articles on the CSL. The one I am looking at has the D2 Technik 745i on the cover with a small picture of the CSL at the top. At the bottom of the 2nd page of the article it says that the CSL has very grippy seats, which are necessary when the car is capable of 1.4 lateral G's.

What were you looking at?

Prob the size of his weiner (1.6 ")


J/K

Seriously, magazines say alot of stuff. Editors will do anything to sell their magazines!

M3threesome, what are some of your laptimes from your track driving?

Originally posted by Dinan3XI
I have owned two bmws and now race porsches and karts! the CSL will get its ass handed to it by the GT3. And btw since you obviously know absolutely nothing about racing, skidpad or tires, then let me fill you in. R compound tires DO make that big of a difference. Your comments show me two things, one you dont track seriously and two you have never driven or raced on R compound tires. When i ran even street tires i was 4-6 seconds slower around the track then on my R compounds. THAT IS HUGE! Oh and BTW around Nuremburg the GT3 romped on the CSL! If you dont believe me try looking at some european magazines! Get your facts straight before you try to act like you know a thing or two about racing or numbers in magazines. Oh btw the dodge viper pulls 1.1Gs on the skidpad and it consistently gets it ass handed to it at local tracks by porsches and even M3s! Let me tell ya something, skidpad numbers dont make a race car and the CSL as nice as it is, will get its butt kicked by a GT3 given the same or equal driver. Its funny how even on a bmw forum NO ONE agrees with you! I am sorry about my harshness but it agrravates me when people know nothing about the topic and run their mouths about it!

LOL...i was wondering where in history the CSL put down a better track time than the GT3 at nurburgring. whats funny is that everyone here has been debating other bits of misinformation this whole time, whereas you are the first to call him out about the nurburgring track times. its about time someone got it out in the open.

Originally posted by twistedbydsign9
Yea but can a z06 eat an m3 alive in STYLE, heck no. Lets at least stick to engines with similar displacements.

haha, I won't even comment on your stupid ass. Many people think the Z06 looks better than the M3. Both cars cost almost the same brand new, therefore it's a great comparison. Why do people compare the S2000 and E36 M3 all the time? Brand new, both are priced similarly, yet the S2000 has smaller displacement, yet it can keep up with E36 M3's.



Originally posted by M Threesome
When people bring up the Z06 it makes me want to scream... who gives a damn about that American piece of crap. Is it a fast car, yes it is.... does it look like a cheap, plasticy, American piece of crap, yes it does. For the money I could have a ZO6 that would annihilate anything on the road, but I would still feel like a beer drinking, mullet having loser in it.

And by the way, I blew a Z06 away on Sunset Blvd about a week ago in my M3, granted the guy in the Z06 was probably a poor driver, but I still beat him and it was fun.

You're the reason many people think BMW owners are stuck up snobs. So you hate the Z06 because it's American? Which car is the one that had so many problems with the engine blowing up? M3. Which is the car that will lose to a Z06 in the quarter AND on a track with equally competent drivers? M3. Have you sat in a Z06 before? Probably not, which is why you are bashing it. It will knock the shit out of your car.

M3 owners drink beer too. Look at all the crazy drunks in the OT forum that have M3's.

You blew away a Z06, good for you. There's been Civics out there that can rape Ferrari's, not only in the straights, but also in the curves. You come across as a complete dumbass.

As for the AA supercharger, I can understand why you want it so bad; so you can brag to your friends that you beat a Z06 and a Viper. Strap a supercharger on a Z06 or a Viper, and you will have a LOT of catching up to do.

Hi was swayed here by a member of this board from another forum .... just wanted to stop by and say you got OWNED!!!

http://subzero.mine.nu/celica/m3_lancer_modena_track.mpg

The article on the CSL is from BIMMER Magazine the official mag of the BMW CCA. I believe the issue was either December or January... it was a few months ago with a huge pic of a Silver Gray M3 CSL on the cover... it says 1.6 g's in a corner, wheather it is a misprint or not I don't know, the car is bad ass and I dont think that the official BMW mag would make a misprint that bad.

As far as my track times go, I used to autocross a bunch in Seattle where I am from before I moved to So Cal a few months ago, I havent been to the tracks yet here I work 6 days a week, sometimes 7.

For Z06 lovers, your car is butt ugly and it is made of cheap parts. Corvettes have no style or character, they are a cheap man's Ferrari. Iam well aware that a tricked out Vette will decimate all that challenge it, but it still looks like crap to me. Why dont you check out the safety rating on a vette and compare that to BMW. How are you going to look if you wreck your vette at 80 mph? How about the servicing on a vette, the warranty, or the quality of the parts? Crap. Who cares if the M3 had a rod bearing problem in '01, they gave us a 100k powertrain warranty man. If you blow the motor they will give you a new one, trust me I work for a dealer. What kind of guarantee does Chevy offer? Do they stand behind their product like BMW.

Honestly I dont give a damn, because I am buying a 996 Turbo in a year or less and it will be K24 turbos upgrade, 700+ HP and it will kill a McLeran F1, a Yamaha R1, and all your Z06's you bring to the track and I will turn my M3 into a full on race car.

Umm, I think you mean Roundel, thats the officail bmw cca magazine.

It also doesn't say it pulled 1.6g's, says claimed.
http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/500/63csl.jpg

Originally posted by M Threesome
The article on the CSL is from BIMMER Magazine the official mag of the BMW CCA. I believe the issue was either December or January... it was a few months ago with a huge pic of a Silver Gray M3 CSL on the cover... it says 1.6 g's in a corner, wheather it is a misprint or not I don't know, the car is bad ass and I dont think that the official BMW mag would make a misprint that bad.

For Z06 lovers, your car is butt ugly and it is made of cheap parts. Corvettes have no style or character, they are a cheap man's Ferrari. Iam well aware that a tricked out Vette will decimate all that challenge it, but it still looks like crap to me. Why dont you check out the safety rating on a vette and compare that to BMW. How are you going to look if you wreck your vette at 80 mph? How about the servicing on a vette, the warranty, or the quality of the parts? Crap. Who cares if the M3 had a rod bearing problem in '01, they gave us a 100k powertrain warranty man. If you blow the motor they will give you a new one, trust me I work for a dealer. What kind of guarantee does Chevy offer? Do they stand behind their product like BMW.

Honestly I dont give a damn, because I am buying a 996 Turbo in a year or less and it will be K24 turbos upgrade, 700+ HP and it will kill a McLeran F1, a Yamaha R1, and all your Z06's you bring to the track and I will turn my M3 into a full on race car.

First of all, Roundel is the official magazine of the BMWCCA.

Second, I'm not a Z06 lover, but I give respect where it's due, especially to a great car like the Z06. How do you know it's made of cheap parts? Do you work at the Ford dealership and know the parts they use to make their cars?

The cheap man's Ferrari is Maserati, not a Corvette.

I don't think any car will look that great after hitting another car head-on at 80 mph.

As for BMW standing behind their service, have you read all the horror stories on this forum of people going to the dealership and them not taking care of them? How about the guy who went to the dealership the day after he dropped it off, and found out they crashed the car, yet they wouldn't help him out or even admit to their mistake?

As for your 996 Turbo that you'll be getting soon, congrats. Post some pics when you get it; the 996 Turbo is a great car. Is the K24 turbo upgrade much bigger turbos than the stock turbos? I don't know much about the stock turbos.

M3Threesome-

Please stop posting, you're only continuing to make yourself look ignorant. At least when you're away from being the keyboard warrior that you are, you could have at least kept people guessing as to actual depths of your stupidity. What a shame.

I would try to deseminate your claims, however, they just keep jumping around. Let me let you in on some key things.

1. The M3 is an *amazing* machine created for the purpose of bridging the gap of high performance automobiles and practicality, adding comfort, reliability, and relative affordability. HOWEVER, it cannot, without more heavy modification that said prior, perform a 1.6g on the skidpad. Think about how unreal this number seems and use your brain for once.

2. You flamed everyone for rightfully saying the Porsche is the superior car and that the comparison was done apples to oranges. Then you claim you will get a 996T with extensive modification in the near future. It is almost as if that rather large chip in your shoulder that was the spirit of your arguments dissapeared when you realized that you were in a losing battle. Are you consistent in your thinking or are you really as idiotic as you sound?

3. Regardless of what you think of the Z06, it is a car that, stock, will beat the M3 in any performance category. Yes, the Z06 doesn't have a 100K powertrain warranty, but last time I checked, no one was throwing rods in their LS6s. Whatever you say about American cars and so-called ugly styling of the Z06 is completely subjective.

I don't care how much track time, technical knowledge, or countless hours of watching races you possess, because if you can't apply these into making a single coherant claim or anything that resembles any sort of intelligence, then you continue to be the fly on the wall that everyone is wanting to swat. I am thankful to have not met any E46 owners like yourself.

Originally posted by M Threesome
The article on the CSL is from BIMMER Magazine the official mag of the BMW CCA. I believe the issue was either December or January... it was a few months ago with a huge pic of a Silver Gray M3 CSL on the cover... it says 1.6 g's in a corner, wheather it is a misprint or not I don't know, the car is bad ass and I dont think that the official BMW mag would make a misprint that bad.

As far as my track times go, I used to autocross a bunch in Seattle where I am from before I moved to So Cal a few months ago, I havent been to the tracks yet here I work 6 days a week, sometimes 7.

For Z06 lovers, your car is butt ugly and it is made of cheap parts. Corvettes have no style or character, they are a cheap man's Ferrari. Iam well aware that a tricked out Vette will decimate all that challenge it, but it still looks like crap to me. Why dont you check out the safety rating on a vette and compare that to BMW. How are you going to look if you wreck your vette at 80 mph? How about the servicing on a vette, the warranty, or the quality of the parts? Crap. Who cares if the M3 had a rod bearing problem in '01, they gave us a 100k powertrain warranty man. If you blow the motor they will give you a new one, trust me I work for a dealer. What kind of guarantee does Chevy offer? Do they stand behind their product like BMW.

Honestly I dont give a damn, because I am buying a 996 Turbo in a year or less and it will be K24 turbos upgrade, 700+ HP and it will kill a McLeran F1, a Yamaha R1, and all your Z06's you bring to the track and I will turn my M3 into a full on race car.

Do you like sounding like a complete jackass?

As Dave pointed out, I don't care what car you're in--if you wreck going 80, things are not going to look pretty.
And a poor man's ferrari??? What's that make the M3? A poor man's Aston Martin? (No offense to E46 owners, just trying to make a point). I suggest you stop posting before you give the board a bad name.

Oh yeah, we can play the "well, I'm gonna buy this and do this, blah blah" game all we want, but guess what? Right NOW you'd get your ass kicked all over the place on the track.

I was sent a link of this thread by a friend. Im not here to bash on M Threesome you guys already did a great job of calling him out. Im from socal as well and I would like to setup a M3 meet, even tho i dont own an M3, but i would like to meet M Threesome in person and shake his hand. Because i didnt think anyone could be that ignorant until now!

Naw, E30 M3 is bettar than both the GT3 and the CSL.

If u like put modzzz on the e30 m3 and then soup it up 2 the maxx you can outrun a fighter jet on 22's spinnarzzz. wew wew.

Cuz like i'd rather have an M3 than a GT3. Single piston calipers are bettar than 6 pot 14'' brakessss... POrsches suck at handling, and the engine sucks too. 380hp is less than 350hp.

You can get the CSL in America. Oh yeah, we should really be comparing the two. ya it pr0nz0rz b/c you can get the csl in america. Yeah. Yeah.

GT3 suckzkzz cuz you can't get it in America and the engine is less than 350hp, it has 380hp.

More hp = less = baddddd.

CSL's single piston calipers rockkkk. Pron joo. w00 w00.

I want a $80k 3 series with an unpainted roof and no clutch pedal. yeah yeah yeah. porsches suckk

urp

This entire thread is an embaressment to BF.C.

M Threesome, if I were you I would go into hiding, change my name, and return to the forum under a different IP in 6 months.

1.6 G on a skidpad? Are you crazy? I have never heard of any production car even approaching that number. The highest rating Ive seen for the GT3 is 1.03, which, incedently, is a higher rating than the Ford GT. If the CSL is posting a higher rating - 1.06 assuming a misprint in this case - then it is due to the tires.

Im not sure why you felt the need to validate your E46 M3 purchase by harping on a car costing twice as much, but every post you have made in this thread makes me wonder exactly what kind of an M3 driver you are.

You dont even understand what it is youre driving do you?

You certainly are qualified to speak about the CSL/GT3 comparison though, arent you? The ability to read a misprinted magazine article, exagerate numbers, misrepresent facts, and lets not for get the "ride you got in a Porsche."

Get lost - youre an embaressment to yourself and this community.

dave is cool - you're right Roundel is that mag, that was my mistake.

to everyone else - This is why many people hate online forums. They are full of a bunch of hot-headed-know-it-alls like all of you who are flaming me right now. As soon as a few people start to disagree with a user, a bunch of jacka$$es jump on the bandwagon to let the abuse begin, most likely because they were picked on in high school, didn't get laid and have to use a forum like this as a grounds for venting their frustrations later on in life. Fortunately, all this is purely for entertainment for me (I enjoy controversey) when I am bored at work and I find it funny how all of you want to stroke Porsche and Corvette so hard, yet you are all driving BMW's. If you are in love with these other cars so much, and you want to discount everything that I am saying about the potential of the M3 then why don't you guys go to the Corvette and Porsche forums and talk about how much better they are than our M3's.

Once again for all you dumba$$es who don't get it, my origional arguement was to compare the M3 with mods to a stock 911 GT3, nothing else. I used the CSL in comparison to the GT3 as well because in a sense it is a modified M3. My point in my arguement was to say that if given the right modifications, an M3 could spank a GT3 for less money and have a usable trunk and rear seats.

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE Z06, THE ARGUEMENT DID NOT REGARD THE ZO6.

FYI - I am well aware that a 996 Turbo with mods will spank any M3, and well aware that any Corvette with enough mods will spank any M3. This, once again, was not the point of my arguement.

I am in no way saying that the M3 will be the fastest car out there, even with mods, I know that there will always be a faster car somewhere even if I had that Lingenfelter Vette that does 0-60 in 2.0 secs. and runs 9's. All of you who are flaming have forgotten what I was origionally trying to compare because you have your heads shoved so far up... ahem, well use your imagination.

And lastly, for Stuttgart951 - FYI, I have been DRVING Porsche's, BMWs, and many other cars for many years... I know them well. I am a raging enthusiast. Talking trash over the internet is really pointless, even if you win you are still retarded. I am not a physics major, I don't know what the CSL can pull in the skidpad, I only know what I read. I also know what your are driving and it appears that you are in the wrong forum. Why dont you go back to the ancient cars/ Porsche forum.

Originally posted by b0rf
Naw, E30 M3 is bettar than both the GT3 and the CSL.

If u like put modzzz on the e30 m3 and then soup it up 2 the maxx you can outrun a fighter jet on 22's spinnarzzz. wew wew.

Cuz like i'd rather have an M3 than a GT3. Single piston calipers are bettar than 6 pot 14'' brakessss... POrsches suck at handling, and the engine sucks too. 380hp is less than 350hp.

You can get the CSL in America. Oh yeah, we should really be comparing the two. ya it pr0nz0rz b/c you can get the csl in america. Yeah. Yeah.

GT3 suckzkzz cuz you can't get it in America and the engine is less than 350hp, it has 380hp.

More hp = less = baddddd.

CSL's single piston calipers rockkkk. Pron joo. w00 w00.

I hope you are on drugs, otherwise you should be stoned to death.

I want a $80k 3 series with an unpainted roof and no clutch pedal. yeah yeah yeah. porsches suckk

urp

I hope you are on drugs otherwise you should be stoned to death.

The only stones you'll be throwing will be out of your urethra.

Note the sarcasm, jackass. Your 'critique' on the GT3 forgot to include basically everything except for the fact that the CSL has k00lie carbon-fiber bodypanels.

Do you know what brakes are?

The CSL is a 'ultra hardcore coupe' with motherfucking single-piston calipers.

My $30k Subaru has goddamn brembo 4 pots, how about the CSL?

Wait, why are we even talking about the CSL?

IT'S NOT EVEN BEING SHIPPED TO AMERICA.

We might as well debate flying cars.

Originally posted by M Threesome

dave is cool - you're right Roundel is that mag, that was my mistake.

to everyone else - This is why many people hate online forums. They are full of a bunch of hot-headed-know-it-alls like all of you who are flaming me right now. As soon as a few people start to disagree with a user, a bunch of jacka$$es jump on the bandwagon to let the abuse begin, most likely because they were picked on in high school, didn't get laid and have to use a forum like this as a grounds for venting their frustrations later on in life. Fortunately, all this is purely for entertainment for me (I enjoy controversey) when I am bored at work and I find it funny how all of you want to stroke Porsche and Corvette so hard, yet you are all driving BMW's. If you are in love with these other cars so much, and you want to discount everything that I am saying about the potential of the M3 then why don't you guys go to the Corvette and Porsche forums and talk about how much better they are than our M3's.

Once again for all you dumba$$es who don't get it, my origional arguement was to compare the M3 with mods to a stock 911 GT3, nothing else. I used the CSL in comparison to the GT3 as well because in a sense it is a modified M3. My point in my arguement was to say that if given the right modifications, an M3 could spank a GT3 for less money and have a usable trunk and rear seats.

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE Z06, THE ARGUEMENT DID NOT REGARD THE ZO6.

FYI - I am well aware that a 996 Turbo with mods will spank any M3, and well aware that any Corvette with enough mods will spank any M3. This, once again, was not the point of my arguement.

I am in no way saying that the M3 will be the fastest car out there, even with mods, I know that there will always be a faster car somewhere even if I had that Lingenfelter Vette that does 0-60 in 2.0 secs. and runs 9's. All of you who are flaming have forgotten what I was origionally trying to compare because you have your heads shoved so far up... ahem, well use your imagination.

And lastly, for Stuttgart951 - FYI, I have been DRVING Porsche's, BMWs, and many other cars for many years... I know them well. I am a raging enthusiast. Talking trash over the internet is really pointless, even if you win you are still retarded. I am not a physics major, I don't know what the CSL can pull in the skidpad, I only know what I read. I also know what your are driving and it appears that you are in the wrong forum. Why dont you go back to the ancient cars/ Porsche forum.

(Blah Blah Blah.) x 9e^10

Originally posted by b0rf
The only stones you'll be throwing will be out of your urethra.

Note the sarcasm, jackass. Your 'critique' on the GT3 forgot to include basically everything except for the fact that the CSL has k00lie carbon-fiber bodypanels.

Do you know what brakes are?

The CSL is a 'ultra hardcore coupe' with motherfucking single-piston calipers.

My $30k Subaru has goddamn brembo 4 pots, how about the CSL?

Wait, why are we even talking about the CSL?

IT'S NOT EVEN BEING SHIPPED TO AMERICA.

We might as well debate flying cars.

OMFG lmao M Threesome got completely OWN3D hahaha :biglaughb please take Stuttgart951 advice and go into hiding M Threesome... haha

Originally posted by M Threesome
dave is cool - you're right Roundel is that mag, that was my mistake.

to everyone else - This is why many people hate online forums. They are full of a bunch of hot-headed-know-it-alls like all of you who are flaming me right now. As soon as a few people start to disagree with a user, a bunch of jacka$$es jump on the bandwagon to let the abuse begin, most likely because they were picked on in high school, didn't get laid and have to use a forum like this as a grounds for venting their frustrations later on in life. Fortunately, all this is purely for entertainment for me (I enjoy controversey) when I am bored at work and I find it funny how all of you want to stroke Porsche and Corvette so hard, yet you are all driving BMW's. If you are in love with these other cars so much, and you want to discount everything that I am saying about the potential of the M3 then why don't you guys go to the Corvette and Porsche forums and talk about how much better they are than our M3's.

Once again for all you dumba$$es who don't get it, my origional arguement was to compare the M3 with mods to a stock 911 GT3, nothing else. I used the CSL in comparison to the GT3 as well because in a sense it is a modified M3. My point in my arguement was to say that if given the right modifications, an M3 could spank a GT3 for less money and have a usable trunk and rear seats.

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE Z06, THE ARGUEMENT DID NOT REGARD THE ZO6.

FYI - I am well aware that a 996 Turbo with mods will spank any M3, and well aware that any Corvette with enough mods will spank any M3. This, once again, was not the point of my arguement.

I am in no way saying that the M3 will be the fastest car out there, even with mods, I know that there will always be a faster car somewhere even if I had that Lingenfelter Vette that does 0-60 in 2.0 secs. and runs 9's. All of you who are flaming have forgotten what I was origionally trying to compare because you have your heads shoved so far up... ahem, well use your imagination.

And lastly, for Stuttgart951 - FYI, I have been DRVING Porsche's, BMWs, and many other cars for many years... I know them well. I am a raging enthusiast. Talking trash over the internet is really pointless, even if you win you are still retarded. I am not a physics major, I don't know what the CSL can pull in the skidpad, I only know what I read. I also know what your are driving and it appears that you are in the wrong forum. Why dont you go back to the ancient cars/ Porsche forum.

You sir are an idiot, you were given info that was that was misprinted/wrong etc and a few people here tried to explain to maturely explain to you why it was wrong, but you insisted on being hardheaded and not listen. And that is the reason why this all started, it was so obvious that the info was incorrect, you claiming to be a enthusiast, but yet can't even figure that out. If all enthusiast were like you the tuners are going to make a killing, believeing everything they tell you whether it be the truth or false.

BTW M Threesome....I still want to meet you in person and shake your hand. I never met anyone so clueless and dimwitted. Please feel free to email me if you want to meet somewhere, this would be a rare opportunity for me to meet someone as idiotic as you.

Oh I can't wait to see M Threesomes response to all of this abuse... haha, perhaps there should be an idiot of the month as well as a car of the month. If so M Threesome should have the honor of being the first.... congratulations good sir.

Originally posted by M Threesome

And lastly, for Stuttgart951 - FYI, I have been DRVING Porsche's, BMWs, and many other cars for many years... I know them well. I am a raging enthusiast.

Ah, so youve sat behind the wheel of a Porsche or two have you? Since you are comparing the numbers on paper with the 'ring as your coup de grace, Im sure youre about to tell me that you have 25 years of track experience under your belt, right? Maybe you sat on the pole at Monoco in the early 80's? I hear some of those old F1's could pull 9G's on the skidpad. Who needs an F16, right?

Talking trash over the internet is really pointless, even if you win you are still retarded.

Yet the point behind this thread and every post you have made in it does exactly that.

I am not a physics major, I don't know what the CSL can pull in the skidpad, I only know what I read.

You dont have to be a physics major to be able to spot 1.60 on the skidpad, compare it to a 1.03 rating for the GT3, and subsequently call bullshit. All you need is a nine year old with some common sense.

I also know what your are driving and it appears that you are in the wrong forum. Why dont you go back to the ancient cars/ Porsche forum.

So now youre attacking my taste in automobiles? Thats rich. Perhaps my 911 isnt new and flashy enough for you? Man, you are a "raging enthusiast!" If you ever come across an ancient 73 RS or an old factory 904, pass it off to me, ok? I wont be able to afford to put 22 inch spinners on it, but Ill keep the eye sore out of public light.

If you examine my signiture, you will see, clearly listed on the bottom, an E46 330i - my daily driver. Now, I understand thats not an M3 CSL, but do you think I could stay on Bimmerforums? Would that be ok with you?

If its any consulation, I read somewhere that my 330 could pull 1.55 on the skidpad - right behind the CSL which was apparently tested with super glue tires in your magazine.

Even your attempt to take the moral high ground was lame.

If youre going to put effort into verbal sparring, at least make it entertaining for me and if youre going to list "BMW Sales" as your occupation, please learn a little something about cars before going into work tomorrow.

Speaking of which, any pictures of your Enzo stomping E46?

Nice ownage Mike and Jarrett :clap

Originally posted by Stuttgart951

If its any consulation, I read somewhere that my 330 could pull 1.55 on the skidpad - right behind the CSL which was apparently tested with super glue tires in your magazine.

Even your attempt to take the moral high ground was lame.

If youre going to put effort into verbal sparring, at least make it entertaining for me and if youre going to list "BMW Sales" as your occupation, please learn a little something about cars before going into work tomorrow.

Speaking of which, any pictures of your Enzo stomping E46?

You are calling me an idiot for believing the CSL can pull a 1.60 and you just said that your 330 can supposedly do 1.55, how hypocritical does that sound?? FYI, I probably know a lot more about BMW and Porsche than you do, and most likely I am half your age. I have spent the last 8 years of my life driving 993 911 Carreras, Targas, and Turbos, 996 C4Ss and Turbos. I grew up wiht them, I learned to drive a stick on a 993 Turbo FYI. I have autocrossed with many of these cars and used to track them for fun, never in competition, but I know how to handle cars very well and will be willing to accept any challenge at the track from anyone, any day. I enjoy competition, that is why I origionally started posting here, but it seems that many people here have some seriously bad attitudes.

Do you like apples?? As far as my occupation goes, just to fill you in I am one of the top sales people at my dealership, that is why I can afford to drive an M3 (purchased by the way) and buy a 996 turbo in a few years at the age of 23, how do you like them apples?!

I will post pics of my car tonight when I get to my house if you like, I dont have my camera with me at work.

I want to shake your hand too, that guy was joking about his car pulling 1.55g. You are obnoxiously ignorant. The fact that you don't have the mental capacity or autmotive knowledge to recognize that the CSL doesn't pull anything close to 1.6g's is pretty sad-who on earth would buy a car from you? You think you're a good driver? Can some club racer in socal please meet this guy at buttonwillow or willow springs or seca or something!!!!

Originally posted by nsk223
I want to shake your hand too, that guy was joking about his car pulling 1.55g. You are obnoxiously ignorant. The fact that you don't have the mental capacity or autmotive knowledge to recognize that the CSL doesn't pull anything close to 1.6g's is pretty sad-who on earth would buy a car from you? You think you're a good driver? Can some club racer in socal please meet this guy at buttonwillow or willow springs or seca or something!!!!

April 3-4...Pahrump, a lot of the socal guys are going as well as guys from Colorado.

M Threesome, please tell me this post was a joke or that ur just a troll. Every post you make, makes you look more and more ignorant.

all you guys can go to hell IMO. All I tried to start was a thread to compare a modified M3 vs a GT3 and I get multiple flames from a bunch of meatheads. Personally, I could care less about what you think of me on an internet forum... I might not know everything, but I am not ignorant. I am sorry if what I read was a misprint and I believed it, I guess I am ignorant about lateral G Force statistics compared to all you science whizzes, but I will tell you something: I know Porsche and I know BMW very well. I know that an M3 with the right suspension mods and engine work will take a GT3 to town with equal tires and drivers any day for a lot less money than the GT3 costs. To me, that competition is exciting. Isn't that the reason we modify our cars to begin with, to make them outperform the competition that is currently beating us??

I think it is sad that all of you feel the need to call me names and try to break me down over the internet, but if we were face to face, most likely none of you would say a word to me.

I will love to come to the track events and compete to have a good time and look at some really awesome cars. I also look forward to talking to other car enthusiasts like myself, but if it is gonig to be a bunch of cocky a-holes with a chip on their shoulders then there is no point in coming. I guess I dug a big hole here on this forum, but all I was trying to do was make a point and it is pretty sad that many of you are so immature and feel the need to be so offensive. I do feel the need to defend myself when a bunch of people are jumping on my back because I believed something a credible magazine printed. If anything, why don't you guys make fun of the journalist who wrote the piece on the CSL.

I think it is sad that all of you feel the need to call me names and try to break me down over the internet, but if we were face to face, most likely none of you would say a word to me.

You are such a hypocrite. Let me post some quotes from the AA S/C thread that you said directed towards me,

Well your mouth has just proved to all of us what an idiot you are. .......... you don't deserve to drive an M3 or a Porsche, you might want to think about trading in your car for a Mini-van.

If I had something better to do in the first hour of work I would never waste this much time on somebody like yourself. You make me sad as a BMW enthusiast, or maybe it is just your jealously that you don't have the car that I do?

Not to mention all the other posts you've made in this thread.

I wish I still lived in CA. I would be at the track in a second with a video camera in the car. Maybe a "lowly" E36 M3 passing you on the track would shut you up. But then again, if I passed your car on the track, I must be faster than an F1 car, because your E46 M3 is untouchable.

Why don't you take J4Son's offer up? He seemed to challenge you to a race in the canyons.

You are definetly an "interesting" guy. :95

I don't mean to kick a man when he's down, but I think you should take a deep breath and re-read this entire thread from the beginning, M Threesome.

After noting that the M3 vs. GT3 subject had caused "so much animosity" you proceeded to say "the CSL absolutely decimates the Porsche (any porsche) in the skidpad"; that the skidpad rating "would allow the CSL with equal drivers to annihilate the GT3 like a VW Beetle"; a modified US M3 will "spank the GT3 silly all day, any day, any where" and ended by saying "those of you who were saying you would rather have a GT3 than a M3 Supercharged, then you my friends are in dire need of a head examination."

How can you act suprised that this thread turned out the way it did?

You started with a challenge and you got what you wanted.

It is one thing to say that you have read X, or heard X or believe X.

It is quite another thing to state that X is the case when all you have is a misunderstanding of a magazine article.

If people would appropriately qualify their statements, I BELIEVE most of the forum arguments would never occur. I COULD BE WRONG. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY.

See how easy that is?

PSC's accounted for about 20 seconds on the ring times...

i know i read it up above, but its true...

its not a fair comparo, PSC's vs street tires....

Been thru 3 sets of PSC's, and they are no street tire....not a fair comparo...

throw PSC's on the GT3...and its sheer madness...

now of course, can change suspension on the M so that it is a completely different animal...

but of course can do the same to the gt3....and so on and so on..

don't believe that the gt3 is at 385hp either....more like 400....

truly a great car, as is the csl....

csl with the alphan setup, is a tuner's dream....but so is the gt3...

hahaha this thread is a classic

Originally posted by SG_M3
Umm, I think you mean Roundel, thats the officail bmw cca magazine.

It also doesn't say it pulled 1.6g's, says claimed.
http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/500/63csl.jpg

Ok, I have to say that I feel somewhat stupid right now. I remembered the magazine saying 1.6 g in the skidpad, but 1.6 g cornering ability sounds much more reasonalbe. I think that with the proper downforce (the CSL front splitter is supposed to reduce lift by 50% from the regular M3's front spoiler, and also the much larger integrated rear spoiler) and suspension setup, with the altered steering ratio, it is possible for the CSL to achieve this. I am not adept to physics properties, but from what all the magazines are saying it seems that the CSL is one of the best handling cars ever made.

Thus, if you put the CSL splitter on a US M3, with the proper suspension, wheel, and tire mods, less the steering ratio change, you should be able to be close to on par with a CSL's handling characteristics. MAybe not, but this is just my guess.

I really don't want to argue with you guys anymore on this issue. If you want to think I am ignorant, so be it, it is out of my control. However, I am going to choose to end this arguement because it is obviously getting nowhere. I am admitting I was wrong about the 1.6 in the skidpad, but I do think it is possible for the car to be one of the best handling cars period, regardless of what lateral Gs it can pull.

you are correct in that sense...bmw has given a wonderful chassis to work with...when it comes to suspension changes....

with proper setup, it is a nice platform to build on....most definately.

Buddy, the steering ration has NOTHING to do with lateral grip.

Originally posted by nsk223
Buddy, the steering ration has NOTHING to do with lateral grip.

I see you suffer from the same problem that I have. Every time I type the word 'ratio' I end up typing 'ration' if I don't think about it.

Must be a side effection of all of those 'tion' words. :dunno

M Threesome you haven't driven a GT3 nor have you driven a CSL.

Every single post you make is about some car or another "whomping" the other. Then when someone proves you wrong you start comparing the car to a "Tuned Car." The you start talking about how for $10 you can make your car have 400whp and "Whomp" SIII S4's.

I hate to be going OT but no one should take any posts seriously from a guy who thinks his E46 M3 will destroy any S4 because he has Brembo's and Coilovers.

Oh and get a new fucking name.

Originally posted by m3some
M Threesome you haven't driven a GT3 nor have you driven a CSL.

Every single post you make is about some car or another "whomping" the other. Then when someone proves you wrong you start comparing the car to a "Tuned Car." The you start talking about how for $10 you can make your car have 400whp and "Whomp" SIII S4's.

I hate to be going OT but no one should take any posts seriously from a guy who thinks his E46 M3 will destroy any S4 because he has Brembo's and Coilovers.

Oh and get a new fucking name.

Dude, dont even get me started with you. I think you are just pissed because that M3 in your mirror past you about 2 seconds after you took that picture.

First of all, I know my M3 will spank any S4, unless it is an APR SIII S4. For the same amount of money my car will decimate an SIII S4, and if you don't believe me I will post my 1/4 mile time after I drop the AA Blower in my car.

Since you obviously have a problem reading, I will refresh your lack of comprehension. I started this thread comparing a modded M3 to the GT3 (which I have driven by the way, assumption is the mother of all f--kups), I did not start talking about mods after people disagreed with me.

Secondly, S4's are pieces of crap with feeble transmissions, sloppy gearboxes and an AWD system that has a terrible drivetrain power loss. Lets not even get into the weight distribution or the understeer of that car, or the wonderful Bose sterio system. How about the fact that it is made by VW?? I had my A4 1.8t APR tuned to the max with everything bolted onto the car you could possibly put on it and it was still less fun to drive than my '01 330 sedan.

Bottom line, Audi is constantly trying to compete with BMW but they are just like a little ankle biting chiuawa. All of their cars are inferior, and they are not designed for ultimate performance. If any car is a compromise, it is Audi.

BTW, I have a lot more than Brembos and Coilovers, you can have your VW.

Originally posted by M Threesome

Secondly, S4's are pieces of crap with feeble transmissions, sloppy gearboxes and an AWD system that has a terrible drivetrain power loss. Lets not even get into the weight distribution or the understeer of that car, or the wonderful Bose sterio system. How about the fact that it is made by VW?? I had my A4 1.8t APR tuned to the max with everything bolted onto the car you could possibly put on it and it was still less fun to drive than my '01 330 sedan.

Bottom line, Audi is constantly trying to compete with BMW but they are just like a little ankle biting chiuawa. All of their cars are inferior, and they are not designed for ultimate performance. If any car is a compromise, it is Audi.


wow...that just shows how ignorant you are...M threesome i suggest u stop posting and making those BMW owners look bad.

M Threesome...

Are you talking straight line or turning here?
Choose your poison and we can get this settled. Oh and by the way...none of the cars will be APR Stage 3. Straight line - I can arrange for as early as tonight. Turns - You'll have to wait until I get back in town. Let me know.

finally!!!!

J4SON do the damn thing!!!!!

Originally posted by J4SON
M Threesome...

Are you talking straight line or turning here?
Choose your poison and we can get this settled. Oh and by the way...none of the cars will be APR Stage 3. Straight line - I can arrange for as early as tonight. Turns - You'll have to wait until I get back in town. Let me know.


:alright :alright :alright

Originally posted by LexdiamonNYC
finally!!!!

J4SON do the damn thing!!!!!

Please.....

Posting videos of the runs would be even more delicious.... :evil2

This has to be one of the most entertaining threads I've read in a while!

I had to join the forum just so I could link you guys to another worse thread than this. I guess you scared the guy away so he had to go try and rip on people on another forum. If this guy is even old enough to drive, then it's truly a sad day for humanity.
http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/61564.phtml

I know it's a pain in the ass, but read all of the messages to truly get a good laugh.

This just gets better and better.

Threesome - I cant even come up with words to describe your posts. They are so beyond anything I would have previously considered ignorant I fear I might have a seizure attempting to understand the rational behind your statements.

J4SON, I've got $100 that says this kid doesnt even have a car - but if he does and you can get a video of the 'raging enthusiast' Porsche/BMW amature F1 driver stalling his car on the launch, the $100 lost will be worth it.

Originally posted by J4SON
M Threesome...

Are you talking straight line or turning here?
Choose your poison and we can get this settled. Oh and by the way...none of the cars will be APR Stage 3. Straight line - I can arrange for as early as tonight. Turns - You'll have to wait until I get back in town. Let me know.

HAHA let me guess who ur calling. Too bad jerry aint around no more..he'll get his as whooped in the turns by a 60+yr old in sandels sipping in a latte driving a 1.8T

i love threads like this

carbonfibre, that link doesn't work. You had me physhced to read something even stupider that this thread.

Originally posted by CarbonFibre
I had to join the forum just so I could link you guys to another worse thread than this. I guess you scared the guy away so he had to go try and rip on people on another forum. If this guy is even old enough to drive, then it's truly a sad day for humanity.
http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/61564.phtml

I know it's a pain in the ass, but read all of the messages to truly get a good laugh.

try to link to one on the replies in the thread not the actaul post it self.

Originally posted by nsk223
carbonfibre, that link doesn't work. You had me physhced to read something even stupider that this thread.

link to post (http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/61566.phtml)

"I will take my M3 to the track with you any day and spank your S4 like a little school girl, where do you live, please say SoCal"

Quote from CarbonM3/M Threesome. Bitch where u at? I'm sure me or jason can set this up anytime. Hell Jeff Moss hit you up too.

The interesting thing about that audiworld thread is that CarbonM3, the audiworld troll, is an early 20s car salesman.

Isn't that what M Threesome is? It is possible they are different people, but they sure seem like the same guy.

Perhaps there is a correlation between being a high paid young adult car salesperson with a high horsepower german car and a total absence of tact?

Originally posted by brahtw8
The interesting thing about that audiworld thread is that CarbonM3, the audiworld troll, is an early 20s car salesman.

Isn't that what M Threesome is? I have no information to conclude they are the same person. They may not be.

Perhaps there is a correlation between being a high paid young adult car salesperson with a high horsepower german car and a total absence of tact?
oh they are the same person

Originally posted by Teddy
oh they are the same person

Having spent a little more time looking at the AW thread, I would have to concur.

Originally posted by M Threesome
Dude, dont even get me started with you. I think you are just pissed because that M3 in your mirror past you about 2 seconds after you took that picture.

First of all, I know my M3 will spank any S4, unless it is an APR SIII S4. For the same amount of money my car will decimate an SIII S4, and if you don't believe me I will post my 1/4 mile time after I drop the AA Blower in my car.

Since you obviously have a problem reading, I will refresh your lack of comprehension. I started this thread comparing a modded M3 to the GT3 (which I have driven by the way, assumption is the mother of all f--kups), I did not start talking about mods after people disagreed with me.

Secondly, S4's are pieces of crap with feeble transmissions, sloppy gearboxes and an AWD system that has a terrible drivetrain power loss. Lets not even get into the weight distribution or the understeer of that car, or the wonderful Bose sterio system. How about the fact that it is made by VW?? I had my A4 1.8t APR tuned to the max with everything bolted onto the car you could possibly put on it and it was still less fun to drive than my '01 330 sedan.

Bottom line, Audi is constantly trying to compete with BMW but they are just like a little ankle biting chiuawa. All of their cars are inferior, and they are not designed for ultimate performance. If any car is a compromise, it is Audi.

BTW, I have a lot more than Brembos and Coilovers, you can have your VW.


you're a fukin moron.

Dude, dont even get me started with you. I think you are just pissed because that M3 in your mirror past you about 2 seconds after you took that picture.

Too bad that pic was taken in the mirror of my M3 lol.

mthreesome, are u going to post pics of your car?

Ive still got $100 says he doesnt have one.

I can see it now.

"HAHAH!! LOL!! Screw you guys when you argue on the internet your in the special olympics or something LOL!! Heres my car!! I raced a Stage XXVI S4 and put 18 buslengths on him from 60-80 cause Im a BMW salesman!"

--3 posts later--

"Dude... thats my fucking car..."

Here I will post it for him...

http://www.jimmy540i.com/moron93.jpg

:lol:

Yeah I was going to post a fixed link but I just got home recently. I am glad that the moderators deleted the thread but the rest of the thing is still in the database.

Someone's officially been......

again for further learning.......

http://subzero.mine.nu/celica/m3_lancer_modena_track.mpg

Hey Jason back in Cali huh? Guess he still hasn't accepted your challenge and we still don't have any pics of his car.

Spencer=E36 Guru. Are you still in Boulder? How's you dad's Z8 still kicking ass? Call me.

dude you are really ignorant when it comes to cars, first off saying all audi's suck is just plain stupid, an RS4 will kill the M3 on and off the track 0-60, 1/4 mile, road course, you name it, it will win, and all this from a 4 door grocery getter. as for the gt3 vs. csl you are comparing a top dog product from bmw to a regular sports car from porsche, if you want to go all out why not compare the 2 sports models, the M3 CSL and the GT3 RS, the RS is part of the porsche lineup again and it will hand the CSL and almost anything else in stock or lightly modified its @ss

http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/marcusmv3/175car0.jpg

Originally posted by biggie27
http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/marcusmv3/175car0.jpg

That car's giv'n me a h*rd on.....:boink

----OT-----
Hey was that 12.6 @ 113 recorded stock?
I wonder what they trap at....

i stopped reading this after about the 2nd page cuz the drivel was getting mind-numbing... anyway... just wanted to point out since someone mentioned something about cost to performance ratio... try a '70s 911 turbo, can be bought for dirt cheap ($10k or so?) made to have 350rwhp, less than 2400lbs, all for less than $50k total... i think that'll run circles around any e46 m3 any day

I think you guys hurt his feelings, he won't respond haha

Originally posted by biggie27
dude you are really ignorant when it comes to cars, first off saying all audi's suck is just plain stupid, an RS4 will kill the M3 on and off the track 0-60, 1/4 mile, road course, you name it, it will win, and all this from a 4 door grocery getter. as for the gt3 vs. csl you are comparing a top dog product from bmw to a regular sports car from porsche, if you want to go all out why not compare the 2 sports models, the M3 CSL and the GT3 RS, the RS is part of the porsche lineup again and it will hand the CSL and almost anything else in stock or lightly modified its @ss


The RS4 is a pig.:wave:

Originally posted by mpowerme
The RS4 is a pig.:wave:

dude you need to give credit when its due,

I mean 0-62mph in 4.9 seconds

and 125mph in 17 seconds thats quick for a station wagon

here is a video of a M3 versus a RS4 for you

http://members.ij.net/gg/rs4vsm3_2.mpeg

Originally posted by biggie27
dude you need to give credit when its due,

I mean 0-62mph in 4.9 seconds

and 125mph in 17 seconds thats quick for a station wagon

here is a video of a M3 versus a RS4 for you

http://members.ij.net/gg/rs4vsm3_2.mpeg

So that means it handles and drives well?

Yes, horse power can overcome anything in a straight line.

Those things can get up to 4500lbs with all the options, etc.

Again, what a pig. But each to his own. Throw 1000HP in anything and it will make it move. Can anyone say Lightning?

Originally posted by mpowerme

Those things can get up to 4500lbs with all the options, etc.


4500lbs?! Says who?

Do a search on the internet. The 3700 lbs is with nothing. The max weight is like 4500lbs.

Originally posted by biggie27
dude you need to give credit when its due,

I mean 0-62mph in 4.9 seconds

and 125mph in 17 seconds thats quick for a station wagon


I agree

Originally posted by mpowerme
Do a search on the internet. The 3700 lbs is with nothing. The max weight is like 4500lbs.


hmmmm m3 is not exactly light either...you are comparing a coupe to a station wagon...

Originally posted by mpowerme
Do a search on the internet. The 3700 lbs is with nothing. The max weight is like 4500lbs.

I don't have time to search through the internet but I have a hard time believing that you can order 800lbs worth of options (unless a trunk full of lead is one of them). I can believe 4000lbs MAX.

I agree with Rich.

Just think about it for a second, 700lbs of options?

Guys, I give it credit for what it is, a fast STATION WAGON. It's not meant for the track. OK.....

I'm fairly certian the RS6's heavier than the M5's ~4000 lbs.

The RS6's 4WD adds some heft to it.

Just a simple chip to add a few lbs. of boost and your 500+ HP.......:cool:

The RS6 is definitely heavier than the RS4.

Originally posted by atinybug
i stopped reading this after about the 2nd page cuz the drivel was getting mind-numbing... anyway... just wanted to point out since someone mentioned something about cost to performance ratio... try a '70s 911 turbo, can be bought for dirt cheap ($10k or so?) made to have 350rwhp, less than 2400lbs, all for less than $50k total... i think that'll run circles around any e46 m3 any day

About all that car will do is go in circles, when it is spinning out all over the place.

Originally posted by tlaselva
I'm fairly certian the RS6's heavier than the M5's ~4000 lbs.

The RS6's 4WD adds some heft to it.

Just a simple chip to add a few lbs. of boost and your 500+ HP.......:cool:

One of the things I mentioned before (although it doesn't matter since I am so ignorant) is that Audi has a terrible transmission. The RS6 was not meant to have 450bhp... when Audi caught light that the new M5 was going to be over 500bhp, they cranked the boost up on their turbos neglecting to reinforce the already POS transmission. Therefore, the tranny is just waiting to grenade, and chipping it to 500+ HP is going to result in a terrible service charge out of warranty.

Let's not also forget that they only offer it in a TipTronic, that is retarded.

Originally posted by M Threesome
About all that car will do is go in circles, when it is spinning out all over the place.

wow! this idiot actually has the courage to come back to this forum and post. major props!:clap:

Originally posted by hadokenny
wow! this idiot actually has the courage to come back to this forum and post. major props!:clap:

:biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb

I'm going to play devils advocate and ad fuel to the flame.
http://www.bmwccn.no/vestfold/images/M3%20csl.wmv

Notice the numbers @ the end.

The only way a race prepped 930 spins out of control is if a BMW salesman lifts in the turn.

Where are the pics of your car?

Hey Stuttgart951, Nice car in the sig. Is that yours?

Hey Stuttgart951, Nice car in the sig. Is that yours?

Thank you, and yes.

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Thank you, and yes.
Very nice, to me that IS the 911....:clap:

For all you mo fo's out there talking all the sh... all I have to say is GO F**K YOURSELVES... read 'em and weap boys.

http://www.bmw.co.uk/apm/owner/news/owner_news_index/0,,,00.html?selNews=145479640

Here is a pic of my car bitch...

and then....

cute car ;)



Originally posted by J4SON
M Threesome...

Are you talking straight line or turning here?
Choose your poison and we can get this settled. Oh and by the way...none of the cars will be APR Stage 3. Straight line - I can arrange for as early as tonight. Turns - You'll have to wait until I get back in town. Let me know.

now you can take this guy up on his challenge!.....no wait it was you who challenged everyone :confused: .........so there's your chance big guy, man up!! step to the plate!!!!!.......put your money where you big mouth is!!!!!:buttrock

M Threesome/CarbonM3,

Please come back to the S4 board...we are in need of a good laugh. We miss you.

-The slow-pokes at Audiworld

What a painful thread.

The quote "the tyres help the car deliver up to 1.6g of lateral grip" is pure marketing drivel. I've been on the skidpad, and at skidpad speeds, a CSL, even with other-worldly aero cannot generate the kind of downforce you need to get anywhere near that number.

On the track, with banking and aero, sure, but not on a standard flat, 200ft diameter skidpad (which is the only way to remotely compare across different cars). Hell, I'm sure if I hooked up an accelerometer in my M3, running around nicely banked turns with Hoosiers, I'll approach some startling numbers. . . but they don't mean anything, let alone that my car (or the CSL for that matter) can outhandle a GT3.

Originally posted by Blackspeed
I'm going to play devils advocate and ad fuel to the flame.
http://www.bmwccn.no/vestfold/images/M3%20csl.wmv

Notice the numbers @ the end.

Your link does not work.

It's gone and I dont have anyway of hosting it myself. I brough up a good point though.

Ok - so who does this car really belong to?

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Ok - so who does this car really belong to?

It belongs to me bitch, if you want me to post another pic with me sitting in the car giving you a big middle finger I can. Let me know soon, because it looks as if I might be selling it in the nexxt month or so and getting a 996 Twin Turbo.

BTW, for all you GT3 stroking idiots, last night on the 10 Freeway by La Cienega I encountered a Black GT3 and proceeded to spank his ass to 140 mph... he gave up after we hit the 120 mark and i was pulling over a car length ahead of him.

Originally posted by M Threesome
BTW, for all you GT3 stroking idiots, last night on the 10 Freeway by La Cienega I encountered a Black GT3 and proceeded to spank his ass to 140 mph... he gave up after we hit the 120 mark and i was pulling over a car length ahead of him.


:biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb

This has gotta be the funniest thread ever, please keep this up:laugh :laugh :laugh

Originally posted by M Threesome
BTW, for all you GT3 stroking idiots, last night on the 10 Freeway by La Cienega I encountered a Black GT3 and proceeded to spank his ass to 140 mph... he gave up after we hit the 120 mark and i was pulling over a car length ahead of him.

I'm not doubting it could happen. But in your case, go ahead and raise the BS flag while you're at it.

Originally posted by M Threesome
BTW, for all you GT3 stroking idiots, last night on the 10 Freeway by La Cienega I encountered a Black GT3 and proceeded to spank his ass to 140 mph... he gave up after we hit the 120 mark and i was pulling over a car length ahead of him.

:biglaughb You sure he knew you were racing!?:biglaughb

You mean your dad might be selling it soon?

Seriously, you've been calling just about everybody on here your "bitch," but I've yet to see one post about you accepting a challenge from a couple of the members. Time to put up or shut up.

MThreesome, there you go again . . .

BTW, for all you GT3 stroking idiots, last night on the 10 Freeway by La Cienega I encountered a Black GT3 and proceeded to spank his ass to 140 mph... he gave up after we hit the 120 mark and i was pulling over a car length ahead of him. [/B]

:smile9:

omfg i r just teh beat a GT3 on the track w/ my Altima V6!!!!

GT3= Cougar?!?!?!?!?!

URP1!!!!!

Originally posted by sensasian
You mean your dad might be selling it soon?

Seriously, you've been calling just about everybody on here your "bitch," but I've yet to see one post about you accepting a challenge from a couple of the members. Time to put up or shut up.

you make me laugh man, I don't have time to settle these dumb ass vendettas, I have to work 6 days a week or more to make enough money to afford my lifestyle, and you can kiss my ass if you don't believe me.

You have seen the pics of my car, you guys know where I work and live, if you see me on the road talk shit and we will race for sure. In less than 2 months my M3 will be supercharged (as soon as the AA s/c is available) and I will plan to see many people in my rearview mirror.

I know there are faster cars out there, there always will be and this is why this whole arguement has become the most retarded thing ever. I will be getting a 996 turbo soon when I get tired of the M3, and when I am done modding that car I wont need to prove anything, it speaks for it's self.

So you're one of those people that live from paycheck to paycheck. I feel sorry for you. Don't you think it's time for a little budget management?

Also, no one wants to play the "well, when I get this and have this done to my car" game. No one cares. You've proved yourself completely inept when it comes to common sense and continue to do so everytime you post. So, you're getting a supercharger then a Porsche---Who the hell cares? It just means there's going to be another jackass on the road trying to pull 1.6g's at every intersection. :rolleyes:






ps 7th page ownage! :laugh

Originally posted by sensasian
So you're one of those people that live from paycheck to paycheck. I feel sorry for you. Don't you think it's time for a little budget management?


Who the hell are you?? Do you know me bitch, do you have any clue how I live my life? The bottom line is, you don't know shit about me or my lifestyle. I could tell you about being comp'd just about everytime I go out, or some of the exclusive shit that I do that you only dream of doing, but it really wouldn't matter since nobody believes anything that people say over the internet, so it is just a waste of my time. I could tell you where I live and you would know that paycheck-to-paycheck would not be possible. I could post pictures of what I do and where I go, but I would not want to broadcast the life of my friends and acquaintences over a BMW forum just to prove you wrong. I don't need to go on, and I shouldn't even be wasting my time writing this, but I felt obligated to tell you to kiss my ass.

As far as this thread goes, I have no furthur interest to continue... it was humerous before, and I have learned a few things, but now I am bored with this and it is going nowhere. I couldn't give 2 shits what anyone on a forum thinks of me, and as far as assumptions go I know one thing for sure... 9 out of 10 times when you assume you are dead wrong.

So when you have your head removed from your culo, maybe someday... with a lot of work you will learn not to make assumptions about people on the internet, because in truth you dont know shit about anyone.

PS - from what I have read so far, it sounds to me like you and bORF would make excellent butt pirates together. Go F yourselves.

Holy fuck turd.

Just when I think you cant possibly get any dumber you go ahead and surprise me.

SO lets look at your encounter with a GT3 in your Dad's M3 (which will be supercharged and then sold for a 996 Turbo, just for the viewing audience).

You "race" a GT3 on the highway and 'take him' up to 140, while he 'gave up' at 120. Thats correct?

Now, Im not the brightest guy in the world, but thats sounds alot like you did a ricer flyby to me. Picked a fight with a GT3, lost, he put on his brakes at 120 having proved his point to your backseat having ass, and you proceeded to continue to accelerate to 140 past him in order to 'win' by way of having the bigger balls (or lesser brain) to go that fast on a public road. This of course, until you remembered that your car is limited to 155 and you had better slow down because 1.6G's is hard to do at that speed.

That about sum it up?

In addition to all this, youre LA's biggest 16 year old pimp and get comps for food at TGIFridays. Now that we know youre the man and you have to work 6 days a week to maintain a 'lifestyle' thats obviously well beyond your means to afford can we safely assume that youre just... hell I dunno... full of shit instead?