View Full Version : M3 vs. SRT4 ... a small rematch


Kevlar
01-27-2004, 11:00 AM
Leaving work yesterday, I'm hustling to make it to the post office before they close. As I leave work, I see a black SRT4... so I'm closing the gap ever so slowly while we make our way out of the complex.

By the time we make it to the main road, I'm right behind him. I pull wide to his left and it's the guy from before (there is a thread on the board about our last run). Suddenly... my rushing the post office is curtailed as we line up. Line up number one. He hits it... I drop 2nd and hit it... I get destroyed! Damn... traction control came on.

I regain my ground, but we have to calm down because of traffic. However, due to the time of day, it's getting packed because of traffic ... so we both cool our jets.

Then we get another chance to line up on the highway... mmmm, highway power :evil2. We line up about 50mph in 3rd gear (could've done 2nd gear, but the gear change probably would have hurt more than helped).

We hit it... I'm a little down on power and the car struggles momentarily so the SRT4 pulls some... but then the power comes on. M3 highway power starts to take the lead and by the time we shut it down... the SRT4 is about at passenger door.

SRT4 is definitely no slouch... it's definitely going to give my car a run for the money after some more mods are done. The mod list of the SRT4 is listed below. He's got plans of doing more mods in the near future...

Gotta give props to such a affordable fast car... oh... and damn, the exhaust on the SRT4 sounds pretty damn good too. While I was following him around for a while... thing was making all sorts of cool turbo sounds.

SRT4
02 Housing
3" downpipe to stock catback
15lbs of boost (drops to 11psi of boost at redline)
K&N filter

Lemming
01-27-2004, 11:06 AM
I'm going to be bummed if one of those things ever kill me :bawl

IS 300_M
01-27-2004, 11:27 AM
nice run:)

BlackBird
01-27-2004, 11:33 AM
hehe, good run man, I love how your M3 looks :) Hopefully we can work on those headers :cool:

SilverStreak
01-27-2004, 11:56 AM
kev, goin' for a lil' payback... :D

MGregski
01-27-2004, 12:04 PM
^ Desperately holding onto the title by a hair.:(

Pocket rockets - damn them:D

Ahh the beauty of an FI engine, miss the old days.

Mblaster
01-28-2004, 12:48 AM
BMW needs to make a factory 250 hp Mini.
Damn SRT 4.

BlkDinanM3
01-28-2004, 12:59 AM
BlackBird,

Is the SRT-4's engine the same as the PT Cruiser Turbo engine?

slickav
01-28-2004, 01:13 AM
I'm not ready for fast neons................ :(

Damnit, I'm gonna need some boost before Voyagers start handing me my rear end ;)

m3boost
01-28-2004, 02:20 AM
What year srt was it? I was a passenger in an 04 last week, and let me tell you, that car has balls. With the driver and three passengers, it still has that throw back to the seat torque. It felt very similiar to my car.

Iniquity
01-28-2004, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by BlackBird
hehe, good run man, I love how your M3 looks :) Hopefully we can work on those headers :cool:

is that the stock body kit for the SRT-4? It looks better than all the other ones I've seen.. do I dare say.. it actually looks good.. maybe it's just the black.. because every SRT-4 i've seen as been yellow or once that blue one that kept driving around a parking lot "car show" trying to be an attention whore...:rolleyes:

petar7408
01-28-2004, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by BlkDinanM3
BlackBird,

Is the SRT-4's engine the same as the PT Cruiser Turbo engine?


pretty much yes
the tranny isnt though

BlackBird
01-28-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by BlkDinanM3
BlackBird,

Is the SRT-4's engine the same as the PT Cruiser Turbo engine?

Yes the engine is the same exact thing as the PT cruiser, however the tranny is totally different. This engine has been tested well over 800 hp on the stock internals (crank / rods and pistons) :)

Originally posted by m3boost
What year srt was it? I was a passenger in an 04 last week, and let me tell you, that car has balls. With the driver and three passengers, it still has that throw back to the seat torque. It felt very similiar to my car.

Mine is a 2003, I really hate it that I didn't wait for the 04's because they come standard with an LSD.

Originally posted by Iniquity
is that the stock body kit for the SRT-4? It looks better than all the other ones I've seen.. do I dare say.. it actually looks good.. maybe it's just the black.. because every SRT-4 i've seen as been yellow or once that blue one that kept driving around a parking lot "car show" trying to be an attention whore... :rolleyes:

Yes that is 100 % stock body, actually I did added something new that is not in my signature..

http://www.billetdesign.com/misc/srt4fronts.jpg
http://www.billetdesign.com/misc/srt4front2s.jpg

It gives it a more agreesive look than stock IMO.

Thanks for the props everyone :)

shmoo
01-28-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by WannaM
^ Desperately holding onto the title by a hair.:(

Pocket rockets - damn them:D

Ahh the beauty of an FI engine, miss the old days.

What's worse are rice rockets that can outrun Ferraris and Vipers!!!:eek:

MGregski
01-28-2004, 10:02 AM
Mean looking little Neon.

"Evil Neon":D

///MDex
01-28-2004, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Lemming
I'm going to be bummed if one of those things ever kill me :bawl

Why? Because its cheap? Because its fast? Because it’s a Dodge? Because its not a BMW?

Too many people get caught up in those pesky details. You couldhave bought one, but you didn’t. Why? *lets him think of the answer…..

That’s why :)

PS – its funny that your screen name is Lemming You have chosen not to do what everyone else has; kudos

e34biturbo
01-28-2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by BlackBird
Yes the engine is the same exact thing as the PT cruiser, however the tranny is totally different. This engine has been tested well over 800 hp on the stock internals (crank / rods and pistons) :)



Mine is a 2003, I really hate it that I didn't wait for the 04's because they come standard with an LSD.



Yes that is 100 % stock body, actually I did added something new that is not in my signature..

http://www.billetdesign.com/misc/srt4fronts.jpg
http://www.billetdesign.com/misc/srt4front2s.jpg

It gives it a more agreesive look than stock IMO.

Thanks for the props everyone :)


Awsome!!!! I am a fan of the Srt4...my neice is torn between this and the mini.....I am trying to sway her to this then I can have some fun...:evil2 but nice car man .....and they are nimble

BlackBird
01-28-2004, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by e34biturbo
Awsome!!!! I am a fan of the Srt4...my neice is torn between this and the mini.....I am trying to sway her to this then I can have some fun...:evil2 but nice car man .....and they are nimble

Hehe, yea they are fun cars to drive.. I can't wait till stage 2 hits the shelfs... them things will be very fun :boink

BTW aren't you the guy that ran that yellow porsche?? Good runs man, I saw the video :)

4-BNGR
01-28-2004, 10:40 AM
WIth a $55 dollar "manual boost controller" he will pull on you, with his current set up (he needs to complete his exhaust, however) :awink:
Mopar Stage 2 he will walk on you... Too bad these things a fwd. But, for the $ there is NoThing better out there.

4-BNGR

e34biturbo
01-28-2004, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by BlackBird
Hehe, yea they are fun cars to drive.. I can't wait till stage 2 hits the shelfs... them things will be very fun :boink

BTW aren't you the guy that ran that yellow porsche?? Good runs man, I saw the video :)


yes ......thanks

shmoo
01-28-2004, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by ///MDex
Why? Because its cheap? Because its fast? Because it’s a Dodge? Because its not a BMW?

Too many people get caught up in those pesky details. You couldhave bought one, but you didn’t. Why? *lets him think of the answer…..

That’s why :)

PS – its funny that your screen name is Lemming You have chosen not to do what everyone else has; kudos

It's the same reason if a Ferrari owner gets killed by a BMW, they say things like, "It's just a BMW, I still own a Ferrrari":laugh

twistedbydsign9
01-28-2004, 02:17 PM
Someon... sob... please make dodge stop.

M Roady
01-28-2004, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by shmoo
It's the same reason if a Ferrari owner gets killed by a BMW, they say things like, "It's just a BMW, I still own a Ferrrari":laugh

...and they do.
Someon... sob... please make dodge stop.
I'm still looking for a Durango to pull up next to me so I can stand up in my seat, look the driver in the eye, and say "tha thang gotta hemi?".

What is really going to suck is when Kia starts making kick ass cars. I'm certain that is one of the signs fortelling the apacolypse.

Z3speed4me
01-28-2004, 05:06 PM
actually i think the pt cruiser is powered down by like 15 or 20 hp to 205 hp or something....my friend at home has an srt with a lot of work...we spank m3's and m5's wit 3 people in the car...hell one day in seaside nj he raced a 98 ferarri 355 and spanked it by a car length once he was at around 120 and he let off....car is sick i think he ran a 12.6 or something in the fall when the track was open...cant wait to see it in the spring when the new turbo is dropped in....that car really is insane for 20/21 grand...

Flawless
01-28-2004, 10:52 PM
That SRT 4 just screams WRX jr.

SupraT78
01-28-2004, 11:31 PM
it pulls on the wrx stock for stock.

TeamSlowdotOrg
01-28-2004, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by SupraT78
it pulls on the wrx stock for stock.
Pulls freight trains...it's a 5mph difference in trap speed. From a stop it's up to the SRT4 owner to not suck at launching. After that it's just shift...WRX stops pulling, shift again...WRX is next to the SRT4...shift again, WRX is 4 cars back at the 1/4.

HSG racing
01-28-2004, 11:41 PM
I raced a yellow SRT-4 with my modded 328i some time ago.

He passed me as I was doing 70 - 75 like I would be standing still... The FWY was wide open - it was 2am... I dropped the car in 3rd and slammed it....
After a minute or so I was lined up with him, doing around 110...

He looked at me and started racing. I dropped the car to 4th, than 5th... We were pulling pretty even till 135, than I raped him bad. :buttrock

He could not catch me at higher speeds. When I finally slowed down he did the typical don't even look at the other guy pass him with 120 thing :biglaughb

4-BNGR
01-29-2004, 10:44 AM
Your 6 has longer legs that his 4, but his car is faster :rolleyes:

Nimble
01-29-2004, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by HSG racing
I raced a yellow SRT-4 with my modded 328i some time ago.

He passed me as I was doing 70 - 75 like I would be standing still... The FWY was wide open - it was 2am... I dropped the car in 3rd and slammed it....
After a minute or so I was lined up with him, doing around 110...

He looked at me and started racing. I dropped the car to 4th, than 5th... We were pulling pretty even till 135, than I raped him bad. :buttrock

He could not catch me at higher speeds. When I finally slowed down he did the typical don't even look at the other guy pass him with 120 thing :biglaughb

Thing is who cares if your 328 pulls that last 10 mph, by then the SRT would have you by about 2 buslengths from a stop or slow roll.:biglaughb

HSG racing
01-29-2004, 01:03 PM
Thing is who cares if your 328 pulls that last 10 mph, by then the SRT would have you by about 2 buslengths from a stop or slow roll.

Probably true - my car is heavier and does not have a S/C... :az: Oh, and I am also missing the go-kart wing and neon lights
:D

328 is man
01-29-2004, 01:17 PM
now now fellas, play nice

4-BNGR
01-29-2004, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by HSG racing
Probably true - my car is heavier and does not have a S/C... :az: Oh, and I am also missing the go-kart wing and neon lights
:D

Can't do much about the weight of your sled, but the other parts could be arranged :awink:

trev0006
01-29-2004, 04:02 PM
its amazing what you can buy these days for around 20k.:D

slcook54
01-29-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by z3speed4me
hell one day in seaside nj he raced a 98 ferarri 355 and spanked it by a car length once he was at around 120 and he let off When I had my SCed S2000 I raced a 355 and we were pretty much dead even.
-Steve

ETA fro
01-29-2004, 06:58 PM
my freind took me in a ride in is 04. he is a big guy and me and my other buddy are big guys to. it still pulled like crazy. he would drop it and the front end would just get traction and we would take off.
we saw a zo6 burning out across an intersection, so my freind catches up looks over, nods drops it and got owned. it pulls pretty hard, but not that hard.

he upshifted to 5th at 50 and it stilled pulled all the way throught the rpm range. i like it for 20 grand.

Big Red Jim
01-29-2004, 11:10 PM
They're great cars for the money. I get looks every time I run someone. Usually it's the "WTF" look :D

egeisert
01-30-2004, 03:23 AM
more appropriate would be WRX SR.

shmoo
01-30-2004, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by trev0006
its amazing what you can buy these days for around 20k.:D

Are you kidding me? A rice rocket that runs low 12s can be bought at $20K!!!

Used Civic/Eclipse hatch $3000
New GSR Engine $4000
Turbo setup (T4, intercooler, hoses, BOV, Wastegate..etc) $6000
Full setup coilovers $1500
Struts & Braces $500
New clutch stuff $1500
All those electronic controllers SVAC,SFC...etc $400 a piece
Light weight wheels with rubber $2400

SilverStreak
01-30-2004, 12:12 PM
i think his comment was referring to brand new, with warranty, etc...

anyone can pick up a fox body mustang for $900 and put $3K into and run 10's, etc....

karandom
01-30-2004, 06:45 PM
Black is definitely the best color for the SRT-4. Despite what other people say, I think it looks pretty slick.

It is an amazing car that can be so easily modded. People may diss it, but they are just pissed they got their ass handed to them by a Neon (no disrespect).

Heads up guys and remember to start giving respect where respect is due.:)

tlaselva
02-04-2004, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by SilverStreak
anyone can pick up a fox body mustang for $900 and put $3K into and run 10's, etc....

So much for the 20K Rice Rocket.....:laugh

Got spanked by a '87 Mustang at the drags last summer......:embarrasm

Cool guy. We wer talking later, he told me he had sunk about 6 G's into the car.

SilverStreak
02-04-2004, 09:10 AM
i saw a late 80's chevy s-10 pick up all primered fenders, miss matched colored doors, etc, run 9's one afternoon at atco, i asked him what he had in it, etc... total investment about $2k, did the work himself, etc...

WytLytnyn
02-04-2004, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by SilverStreak
i saw a late 80's chevy s-10 pick up all primered fenders, miss matched colored doors, etc, run 9's one afternoon at atco, i asked him what he had in it, etc... total investment about $2k, did the work himself, etc...

Hey...a year or two ago in one of the mags top 10 tuner car shootouts, Lingenfelter showed up with an AWD S-10 (Bravada transfer case) with a 427 in it. They said the other guys were kind of laughing about it until tore off a 0-60 in like 3.7...... The tranny broke while they were testing it so it failed to show in the rankings......

mizunderstoodvw
02-04-2004, 12:39 PM
personally i would be hard torn between a new srt4 (all those disrespect issues) and a used S4... same cost, better car and better performance IMHO

l3it3r
02-08-2004, 01:33 PM
got a few things to say about this thread (:D always do)

First, the SRT-4 engine is NOT the exact same as a PT Cruiser GT. It's the same block. Other than that, the engine is completely different. All top shelf parts. Tested block/crank strength of 1200HP.
Second, kevlar, I love how enthusiastic you are about the SRT.. I'm the same way about your car :D
and Third, HSG, what's your top speed? I know that at 110, if I drop to THIRD i'll pull hard and solid to 155 (haven't had to go faster than that yet) I don't doubt that your car may be tuned up higher (the SRT is a great sprint car, top end is good too, but not as robust) but I don't see how you could have 'raped' him that bad.. maybe it was an '03?

edit: oh yeah, my buddy has an '01 S4. I raced him off the line and from a roll, off the line, pretty even in first due to a shoddy launch, but 2nd and 3rd put about 2-3 cars on him. From a roll, around 50 the first time, and 75 the second, there was no race really.. just pulled away.

cK-judic
02-13-2004, 11:08 PM
Jet engine in a cardboard box~

Sharkbite2000
02-13-2004, 11:12 PM
Cool , i live in Ft Laudadale too , what part u live in we have to link UP >.

SilverStreak
02-14-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Sharkbite2000
Cool , i live in Ft Laudadale too , what part u live in we have to link UP >.

I thought you were in North Jersey or NYC?? Also, you still owe me some information, if I recall....

Kevlar
02-14-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Sharkbite2000
Cool , i live in Ft Laudadale too , what part u live in we have to link UP >.

I'm on I595 & University Drive almost every Friday night from about 5pm to 9pm.

There is a huge BMW meet scheduled for Feb. 21st @ Markham Park @ 12noon. I bounce around the rest of Ft. Lauderdale & Miami throughout the course of the week.

Inspar8r
02-15-2004, 02:44 AM
They need to make a commercial for the SRT-4 that has a pic of the front end from a worm's view, With the letters "BYE." above the car...

Just like the old days when the neon first came out, and they said "Hi."

I'll sell the idea to Dodge...

l3it3r
02-15-2004, 08:56 PM
they have an internet ad around somewhere that has the SRT-4 and the words "Street Racing is Illegal ;)" under it.