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VoltesV
01-26-2004, 02:40 AM
6 piston front, 4 piston rear, 14" rotors all around.

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hsmith
01-26-2004, 09:17 AM
Very nice. Your M3 looks very good and must perform even better with those brakes.:redspot

mpowerme
01-26-2004, 12:51 PM
:eek2:

Spencer
01-26-2004, 01:18 PM
Nice looking setup.

Do you have a picture of the pad size? From looking at the caliper, it looks like it is quite a bit different than the porsche/brembo sizing.

VoltesV
01-26-2004, 02:01 PM
Sorry, no pics of the pads. That's probably the only thing that I DIDN'T take a pic of.

Mr.D
01-26-2004, 02:22 PM
From whom did you buy the kit, if you don't mind me asking?

radelow
01-26-2004, 02:23 PM
Damn those look nice. My car is still cooler though (when it's running that is). HAHAHAHA

VoltesV
01-26-2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Mr.D
From whom did you buy the kit, if you don't mind me asking?

I got the kit from Jeff @ www.eurobahn.us and it is just making it to production soon. I'm sure he'll post more info as it becomes available.

Docofmind
01-27-2004, 10:54 PM
It was a pleasure meeting you last week. I have ordered your new brake lines and will have them in shortly. As soon as i do I will them over to you.

BTW, your car looks freakin incredible. I cant tell you how many times my dad went on and on about your car. These pics just dont do it justice. :)

AEsco48
01-27-2004, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by VoltesV
[B]6 piston front, 4 piston rear, 14" rotors all around.



Specs?

VoltesV
01-28-2004, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by Docofmind
It was a pleasure meeting you last week. I have ordered your new brake lines and will have them in shortly. As soon as i do I will them over to you.

BTW, your car looks freakin incredible. I cant tell you how many times my dad went on and on about your car. These pics just dont do it justice. :)

Good to meet you, too. Thanks for taking care of the lines for me. I had a chance to speak with Jeff today, I'm sure he'll be in touch with you regarding some feedback about the kit. The pedal is just ROCK SOLID compared to stock. I was never too impressed with the feel of the stock pedal (even in my E36 M3)...this is how it should feel.

Thanks for the props...but don't forget to give yourself some credit for making it all happen!

VoltesV
01-28-2004, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by AEsco48
Specs?

Hey Andy...

What specifically did you want to know? Docofmind helped to develop the kit so I'm sure he could also chime in on some of the really tech aspects of the kit.

AEsco48
01-28-2004, 12:43 AM
Rotor size (diameter and width), rotor, hat and caliper materials....im guessing its a 2 piece caliper

and if you can piston sizes :)

Kevlar
01-28-2004, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by AEsco48
Rotor size (diameter and width), rotor, hat and caliper materials....im guessing its a 2 piece caliper

and if you can piston sizes :)

I'm kinda curious too... also, what's the cost and waiting time associated with replacement rotors and pads?

Rory
01-28-2004, 07:17 AM
Nice set up, i like the bell design.

VoltesV
01-28-2004, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Kevlar
I'm kinda curious too... also, what's the cost and waiting time associated with replacement rotors and pads?


AE and Kev,

I'll have to defer to Docofmind to answer your questions.

Docofmind
01-28-2004, 02:37 PM
Thank you for all your interest. I ll try and answer all your questions as best I can.

The rotors are both 14" in diameter. The front rotors are 1.25" thick and the rear rotors are 1.1" thick. These rotors are the latest design from Wilwood using a new 72 vane internal design for maximum cooling and increased structural integrity. They are all also plated for corrosion resistance and available cryogenically frozen for even further durability and longevity.

The hats and brackets are all made from 6061 T6 aluminum and hard anodized. I ll try and shoot some pics of the brackets for you. They are extremely rigid. Overengineered if you ask me :) We also have all our hats machined with scallops to promote even more cooling.

The calipers used in this kit are also thew newest design released from Wilwood. Taken directly from Wilwood's website:
"A key to the superior performance of the SL6R comes from the extremely durable and efficient body design. It is the product of computer generated solid modeling and FEA stress analysis technology. A reinforced radial transition from the piston bore housings to the closed end bridges has produced the strongest Superlite caliper bodies ever built. Additional strength and resistance to deflection comes from the four high-strength steel end bridge bolts. A fifth center bridge bolt provides even more overall strength and easy access to the pads without the need to remove the caliper from the mount.

SL6 calipers are assembled with one-piece stainless steel pistons and high temperature, square faced bore seals. Stainless pistons are used for their slow heat transfer properties and high resistance to corrosion. Slow heat transfer reduces the potential for heat related pedal fade and increases the service life of the fluid and seals. The high temperature square faced bore seals have the largest possible sealing area and provide controlled piston retraction on release. The differential bore six-piston configuration distributes the clamping load over the length of the pad to promote even wear in the highest temperature environments. This is especially beneficial to vehicles that often realize high temperatures during hard braking.

In addition, each SL6R is equipped with SRS bridge plates. SRS plates eliminiate all bridge wear caused by pad gauging and extend the service life of the caliper. The spring-loaded action of the SRS plates also eliminates pad rattle and dampens the harmonic vibrations that contribute to pad squeal. Two piece bleed screws and dampened fluid tubes are recess mounted to shield them from track debris and other potential damage sources. A full range of PolyMatrix pad compounds is available to match the brake response and heat range of any competition or sports driving application."

In regards to piston diameters, everything is based on the OEM platform and taken one step further. By doing this, we are able to increase pedal feel without losing pedal height and maintain proper front to rear bias.

Let me know if i missed anything. Thanks again.

jblack
01-28-2004, 11:29 PM
3 questions...

Do they fit under OEM 18" wheels?

and a more difficult qiestion....

Do they fit under OEM 17" 330i Sport Package Wheels (My winter setup)?

How much?

Thanks....

VoltesV
01-29-2004, 02:09 AM
They were designed to fit under the stock 18" wheel with no spacers. I don't know about the 17" wheels.

Also, final pricing has yet to be determined but should be ready soon (it's not up to me!).

95MMM
01-29-2004, 02:18 AM
:eek:

Docofmind
01-29-2004, 02:22 AM
Kit is already available. Shipping 2 kits out on Monday actually.

This will fit the stock 18"s but will NOT fit 17"

Kevlar
01-29-2004, 09:50 AM
What about replacement pads and rotors? How much are they and how readily available are they?

Docofmind
01-29-2004, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Kevlar
What about replacement pads and rotors? How much are they and how readily available are they?

Great question. This is another HUGE advantage of going with Wilwood. First of all, everything is manufactured right here in the states. The rotors are made by Wilwood and the pads (all 12 compounds) are made by Raybestos race division. Raybestos is the largest brake manufacturer in the world. What this means is that its literally a phone call a day. Most components can be shipped same day.

The street pads start at $85 per set and the race pads are around $110 a set. they are many temp ranges available to match your exact needs. Everything for dustless and noiseless street pads to full blown race compounds.

The 14" rotors (either front or rear) start at $150 a piece. The drilled/slotted and plated ones are $200 a piece.

varsity
01-29-2004, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Docofmind
pads (all 12 compounds) are made by Raybestos race division.

What if I don't want Raybestos pads? I want to use Pagid. Any info on fitments?

Docofmind
01-29-2004, 08:28 PM
I am not positive on Pagid, but i do know that Mintex, Hawk, Ferrrodo, Porterfield, EBC and many others do have this brake pad. Another plus for Wilwood. Their products are so often used in motorsports that most manufacturers are forced to produce pads for them. I would check with your usual distributor on the specific compound you are looking for, they should have them.

Jeff@eurobahn.us
02-02-2004, 02:24 AM
Hey Everyone,

We are real happy with the way this kit turned out. Docofmind worked his butt off to help us produce an outstanding looking and operating brake kit. In order to get some buzz going and to help our Bimmerforums friends we have decided to offer a very special price on this kit for a limited time.

We should be selling this 4 wheel kit for around 4500 dollars. But we want as many people who can to be able to afford a set so we decided to offer the kit to you all for only 3800 bucks! Thats a complete 4 wheel kit with stainless steel brake lines for almost half the price of a Brembo kit.! I don't know how long we will be able to offer it for this price so please get your orders in as soon as possible.

FYI the office will be closed Monday and Tuesday. We will be in Puerto Rico setting up our new tuning facility, EuroExpress. Any orders emailed in will be handled in the order we get them.

Thanks,

Jeff
Eurobahn
818-381-6335

EstorilBlauM3
02-06-2004, 09:39 PM
Patrick...

Again, as I told you in person, your car is the PERFECT example of what an e46 M3 should be. VERY NICE man... For reals... looking at that car tell me that it is totally "game over" for my e36... It is time to upgrade...

VoltesV
02-06-2004, 11:29 PM
Hey Robert,

Thanks for the props, I do appreciate it. I would hardly say that it's 'game over' for yours or ANY E36 (one of my favorite cars is Allen's Estoril E36). But, it's hard for me to argue with wanting to upgrade. I was in that same boat!

It never ends...

BTW, what's the latest with your car?

EstorilBlauM3
02-06-2004, 11:38 PM
Patrick,

My car has been sitting in the garage for about 3-4 weeks. Currently, it is getting detailed by Ben Carufel. He's doing a great job of removing the swirls and putting on the full Klasse treatment, and some S100 to finish it off. I hope to be able to drive it soon, but I enjoy the automatic tranny of the Legend for my commute. See you soon man, or at the next lunch!

diegom6
01-27-2006, 10:07 PM
What model is the rear 4 Piston caliper? Very nice setup!

E46M3S13SILVIA
01-28-2006, 03:25 AM
:eyecrazy Very Very Nice. I need some of those :buttrock

ChadsM3
01-29-2006, 12:50 PM
Question: Jeff, can you order the rotors in slotted form only?

Chad

diegom6
01-30-2006, 11:41 AM
What model is the rear 4 Piston caliper? Very nice setup!


*BUMP*

Jeff@eurobahn.us
01-31-2006, 01:37 AM
Question: Jeff, can you order the rotors in slotted form only?

Chad

Chad,

That should not be a problem at all. I am sorry to report that Sherwyn from Brake Zone who helped us develop the original kit passed away from a Brain Tumor on Dec. 14th 2005 :(

Jeff
Eurobahn

srmatherne
01-31-2006, 03:53 PM
Jeff,

I'm really sorry to hear about Sherwyn, he was a great guy to deal with when I purchased this Wilwood kit from him last summer. Your post seemed to indicate that you have further developed this kit since his involvement, can you elaborate on what work was done?

While I have been very happy with the performance of this BBK, the one drawback I have experienced is a lack of pad choices outside of Wilwood's PolyMatrix compounds. I spoke with some folks at PFC about the possibility of them producing some PFC-01s for these calipers, however they expressed zero interest. The folks at Cobalt Friction whom I spoke with assured me that they would eventually be manufacturing pads for the caliper, however couldn't give me a date (specifically for the SpecVRs). I'm curious if you have any recent news about increased pad availability.

Thanks.

diegom6
01-31-2006, 04:53 PM
Jeff, could you tell please what rear Wilwood caliper model is? Thank you in advance.:)

smoothracing
03-26-2006, 01:59 PM
nice brakes!

schneid4323
03-26-2006, 11:13 PM
i like em

PEEZEE
03-27-2006, 01:10 AM
Beautiful ride.

ReNNeN.CaRL
03-27-2006, 01:14 PM
very nice BBK.

schneid4323
03-28-2006, 11:38 PM
you know... i wanted brembo 6 piston... but i could only find 8 and 4... 8 all around is way to much to say the least...