I really dont know anything about these cars. I think they are BADASS.

I am a specs guy. so anyone got some specs on the car?

how fast?
how much it weighs
how big the engine is, etc.


I am mainly concerned with the turbo but I would like to learn about the car overall too....

I have a feeling the turbos stock prolly run mid 15s in the 1/4 but are easily modified....seems like not too many modify tho cause noone knows about them....thats just my guess.


Thanks!!!

You won't find too many modified factory 2002 turbos just bacause there are very few of them in existance. I think there is about 50 in the US at the moment. There were only 28 a couple years ago. Those cars are expencive as classics and people do not usually mess with them because they would drop in value if modified.

the engins on the things just like on all 2002s is 2L
the turbo ones came with low compression pistons at abou 7:1 a turbocharger and a KF mechanical fuel injection. At low RPM the cars are dogs, but at soon as the turbo spools they become very live. I think they top out at around 170hp at the flywheel. 2002Tii were at 130hp and standard 2002s were at 100hp.

the weight for early cars was around 2200lb later ones including Turbos was about 150lb more due to bigger bumpers and body safety zones.

I do not know 1/4 mile times for the cars. Like most of BMWs they were not made to do that. It's nimble quicvk car that fits more on an open track or back road not at the strip.

anything else you want to know?

steve k.

http://www.kgb-racing.com/images/ax/ax110903_sm.jpg

good stuff.

you autocross yours?

that pic is BADASS...

if that is your car...what have you done to it?
i see at least suspension.

That is my car and i do autocross it. It's not a turbo however.

I run street prepared class so most of the modifications are suspension. Here is a list of major modifications. There are a lot more little things that i don't remember:

Suspension:
Shortened Strut Coilovers
Bilstein Sports Shocks
400lb/350lb front/rear springs
Adjustable Camber Plates
22mm hollow front sway bar
22mm solid rear sway bar
Front strut tower brace
Rear strut tower brace/battery holder
Urethane suspension bushings
13x7.5 8lb Lenso wheels
225/45R13 Hoosier Tires

Drivetrain
Crane HI-6 ignition
Pertronix Igniter
Dual DCOE 40 side drafts
RamFlo air filters
Balanced Internal Engine Parts
Ported head
Aluminum flywheel
Sports Clutch
40% lock up Limited Slip Differential
Ireland Engineering Header
MagnaFlow glass packs


steve k.

I think turbos, do a 7.8sec 0-60, hugely fast for the day, but wisely reknowed to be super tail happy. It also has the distinction of being the first production turboed car. The official number of US import cars is 1. But there are a few more here now. I think the going rate is 15 on up, depending on condition. One on ebay just sold for over 20k I think.

If you wanted one to mod, it would be much, much better(and cheaper) to get a regular 2002, and turbo that engine, its the same M10 block, just different internals. In fact, the M10 block was used by BMW for its turbo race engine(F1?), which is reputed to have put out 1500hp, from a 1.5L engine(the dyno ran off the chart at 1280):eek:

Originally posted by 993TargaGuy
I think turbos, do a 7.8sec 0-60, hugely fast for the day, but wisely reknowed to be super tail happy. It also has the distinction of being the first production turboed car. The official number of US import cars is 1. But there are a few more here now. I think the going rate is 15 on up, depending on condition. One on ebay just sold for over 20k I think.

If you wanted one to mod, it would be much, much better(and cheaper) to get a regular 2002, and turbo that engine, its the same M10 block, just different internals. In fact, the M10 block was used by BMW for its turbo race engine(F1?), which is reputed to have put out 1500hp, from a 1.5L engine(the dyno ran off the chart at 1280):eek:

interesting stuff.

i personally am not looking to buy one....i am just curious...thanks for the info guys!:buttrock

i believe the 0-60 on the turbo was 6.8 or 7.1 somewhere in that range could be wrong though..

Yah, as to that F1 car the driver said he could break the tires loose at 160mph

Yah, as to that F1 car the driver said he could break the tires loose at 160mph

thats insane

Thats just plain sick. :eek2:

And it takes HUGE balls to even think about breaking the tires loose at 160mph..

[QUOTE=993TargaGuy] It also has the distinction of being the first production turboed car. QUOTE]

Sorry to contradict, but the 2002tii was around 10 (?) years too late to claim the title of first mass-produced turbocharged vehicle.

1962:
http://www.american-pi.com/corvair/images/Becker%20engine.JPG

[QUOTE=Mr Project][QUOTE=993TargaGuy] It also has the distinction of being the first production turboed car. QUOTE]

Sorry to contradict, but the 2002tii was around 10 (?) years too late to claim the title of first mass-produced turbocharged vehicle.

1962:
http://www.american-pi.com/corvair/images/Becker%20engine.JPG[/QUOTE

A 2002tii isn't a turbo, it's fuel injected. The 2002 turbo is what you meant. The corvair monza and the Old Jetfire were the first to use turbos in a production car, but they were very small runs. These early 60's turbos had high lag and lots of piston knowck due to the unpredictable fuel delivery of carbuerettors. The BMW 2002 was the first injected turbo (beating the 911 by a year), but again it was limited production run for both BMW and the 911 (BMW only did it for 2 years). In 1976 Saab made the first truly usable turbo in a production and driving sense, and they have made turbo models from 1976 on, they have been the only company (besides possibly porsche) that has committed to turbo use in road cars.

A 2002tii isn't a turbo, it's fuel injected. The 2002 turbo is what you meant.

Ahh, thanks. I had this old turbo book that listed the tii as the turbo model... can't trust everything you read!

And yeah, the Jetfire was a very short run, but the Corvair had a turbo in the Spyder from '62-64, and an option in the Corsa from '65-'66. 4 years out of 9 ain't too bad. :) You're right about the crappy draw-through carburation, though, those single-barrel side-draft carbs are the bane of every turbo Corvair owner. :)

there is definetly a powder blue one of those at the golf course I work at all the time... I'm gonna talk to him next time i see it, see if I can drive it :D .

Anybody know what kind of boost the OEM turbo put out?
I would definitley go with a N/A and boost it myself...just wondering how big to shop for and how much the block can handle.

I've also seen the "M2" E30 M3 swap kits for $6k-$10k that get you up into the 200 hp range. To match that output on the 2002 motor I'm guessing you'd have to run about 20lbs of boost...since each atmosphere (14psi) usually gets you about a 40% increase in hp. (rough numbers)
That would probably take some serious building...but it depends on how much people usually put thorugh that block.
So back to my question....how much boost on the stock 2002 turbo? :)

Anybody know what kind of boost the OEM turbo put out?
I would definitley go with a N/A and boost it myself...just wondering how big to shop for and how much the block can handle.

I've also seen the "M2" E30 M3 swap kits for $6k-$10k that get you up into the 200 hp range. To match that output on the 2002 motor I'm guessing you'd have to run about 20lbs of boost...since each atmosphere (14psi) usually gets you about a 40% increase in hp. (rough numbers)
That would probably take some serious building...but it depends on how much people usually put thorugh that block.
So back to my question....how much boost on the stock 2002 turbo? :)

i don;t remember the boost numbers forthe original turbo, but the pistons in that car were only 7.5:1 compression. And topingout at about 170hp.

Now days you can easily get 170hp out of a normally aspirated 2002 motor. fresh, proporly built bottom end of the m10 is very strong and can handle 300hp. The head needs some work to handle that range. But if you want 200hp, you can stay without a turbo. i've seen 2002 with 220hp at the wheels. They arenotreally street drivable, but arevery fast.

steve k.

i don;t remember the boost numbers forthe original turbo, but the pistons in that car were only 7.5:1 compression. And topingout at about 170hp.

Now days you can easily get 170hp out of a normally aspirated 2002 motor. fresh, proporly built bottom end of the m10 is very strong and can handle 300hp. The head needs some work to handle that range. But if you want 200hp, you can stay without a turbo. i've seen 2002 with 220hp at the wheels. They arenotreally street drivable, but arevery fast.

steve k.

Interesting....I'm guessing the m10 is the engine code for the 2002? (sorry, all new at the bimmer thing...)

Jeebus, 7.5:1 just begs for boost!! It would probably be easier, and more reliable to swap in some 10:1 pistons, and work the head to support higher flow for a N/A project....but if and when I build my '02 I think I want the boost...no reason, I just want it...

But it's good to know it's a solid block (cast iron?) and that the compression starts so low...plenty of room to work.
thanks for the info

The block is cast iron. Later years (74 through 76) had better coolant and oil flow soi would recomend those. 7.5:1 only came on turbos. Regular models came with 8.5:1, 9:1, 9.5:1, and 10:1 pistons. But even those can be easily turbocharged with proper electronics.

m10 is the designation for the block/engin used in 2002s, e21 320 ('77- '83) and early e30 318s. ('84, '85).

here is a link to a chark of pistons on different models available in US http://www.bmw2002faq.com/reference/pistons/pistons.html

steve k.

Fantastic! great info
thx