Here's the sign-up sheet ...

$410.00 for both days AND you get a free tech inspection.

http://www.pro-imports.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=223

Hope to see some of you there ...

sweet, James.

Thanks for the heads up. That is a PERFECT date for me.

I would go...but i am scared about wrecking my car.......wait a sec...my car is a beater. :D


I think I might be able to make this one!!:buttrock

I wish chapterfest wasnt the same weekend

Originally posted by Lance325is
I wish chapterfest wasnt the same weekend

There is a Chapterfest in Nov. too???:confused:

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
If you go off or wreck, it's ONLY because YOU did something COMPLETELY wrong ...



ok..little sensitive to this comment here, i agree that its a mistake the driver makes that causes wrecks...BUT guess what, everyone makes mistakes...........even professionals. and at 100+mph it doesn't take something COMPLETELY wrong..its just takes the right amount of wrong.

so i think the way to say it is, sh*t happens...and you have to be ok with that.

i will try and be there

jeff

It's fairly easy to get overconfident and go into a corner too hot on the track, especially if you have a high power car like a f/i M3. Once you're off the paved surface, it's fairly easy to end up on your lid. Yeah, technically, it's the driver's "fault" but it's still something that can happen to even a good driver.

While I agree there is risk involved, I take the side of James here... You only really start getting into trouble when youre trying to catch someone or do stupid things...

Just because you go off the track doesnt mean youre going to crash... I went flying off turn 1 @ VIR once because of brake fade and just went straight off, both feet in... on corners and stuff, you really shouldnt be going off unless youre going too fast and the instructor SHOULD be keeping an eye on what you are doing...

but like other have said, mistakes DO happen... hell, someone once told me that NOTHING could ever happen at an autocross... I guess we all know how that turned out :(

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
I agree...but I still disagree ... I do not get overconfident going into a corner ... ask Andy ... I am not throwing or thrashing my arms around or chasing cars always trying to pass them ...

If I even "think" that the car behind me is faster, I signal them by me and I slow down on the straights ... I just work on picking a good line right now ... and staying smooth ...

It doesn't matter to me if I am lapped by every single person in my run group ...

So, yes, it is easy to get overconfident -- but, at the same time, I think the driver can stay grounded ... and remember, that although he/she might improve ... that doesn't make them Kimi ..

Honestly, James, I would not waste your breath. YOUR car is one of the cars that I could understand not wanting to take it to the track. It is so much more modified than most cars and there is a lot of money invested in it.

We BOTH have done track and we BOTH know that you go at YOUR OWN pace. I drove my car out there with high mileage and not knowing what it's capabilities are...and I did just fine.

Most people talk about wrecking their car so that they have an excuse not to go. Hey...if you don't want to go....just say so....or don't reply in threads like this. It's your car....do as you will with it....but don't make excuses.

I'll be the first to admit it....I will probably not take my 325ci out on the track..reason being...I don't want to chip it up. I would love to take it out there if there were no cars in front of me. Hell, I did one of Nick's Drives in it. The track is not as bad as the "Drives".

James, you posted this thread to let people know about it. If they want to come....great...if not...no big deal. I wouldn't waste your time justifying why they should go. It's better to have only the guys who WANT to be there show up.

This is going to be my first event.

I've cleared the schedule.

You guys staying up there or driving home at night?

I agree with James on his point of view. Some of us have gone on "spirited" drives on the backroads, and I don't necessarily mean driving like a maniac like on some these organized "drives". A track is really no different, if not a safer environment (no oncoming cars, trees do not line up the sides of the roads)-as long as the driver goes into the DE with a mature attitude and not think they are going to become JPM-then it is a good learning experience. I don't think it is for everyone because some people think that they need to tear it up out there because they are on a race track. I remember the first DE I went to with James, he wasn't going 10/10's out there-not even on the straightaway. I passed him a couple times in his green BMW. Believe me, with his F/I motor, he could've easily opened it up and served up a can of whoop ass on the straight. We each did what WE were comfortable with.

At another DE, I had a Lexus IS300 on my tail on the twisties at Summit, but once on the straightaway, I could pull away from him-it takes no skill to floor it on a roll in a straight line, it's just car vs car at that point. After one lap, I sucked up my "pride" and I let him pass me on the straight, since he was obviously the better driver. Some people may just think to try to maintain that lead from the straight and drive outside of their abilities. That's dangerous to everyone.

To address John's point about overconfidence-I think being mature enough to acknowledge your comfort level is important-just wanting to learn and be a better driver isn't enough. Yes, unfortunately, there are accidents that no amount of preparation can prevent-but that's why they are called accidents. But it is a calculated risk-balancing the potential benefit against danger.

I always see these posts by these guys that say "when do I brake in a turn" or "how do I pick the right line" but then admit that they want to know for the street. Typical responses from others are "take it to the track and learn the right way". Honestly, I do not want to be even near these guys on a track, as they lack the maturity to truly want to learn-meaning starting off driving at 4/10s.

Look guys, I've done several DEs in the past, and some open-lapping days as well (way more dangerous). I've gone off the track, too (same place twice actually, turn 2 at Nelson Ledges). Aside from having to pick sod out of corners of the car I didn't even know existed, nothing bad happened. So I'm not saying that someone who goes to the track is guaranteed to wreck or even go off-track, but it does happen. It's a possibility you have to be prepared for more than, say, in autocross. So don't give people crap for using excuses that you have managed to reason out one way or another.

I would love to get back into DEs, but the fact of the matter is they're way too expensive for me at the moment, and they all seem to fall on autocross weekends (like this one), and since I find autocross a little more fun...

John V

no..i think my point was that at track events i would agree wrecks are almost always do to driver error. so we're both there on that point

i think the initial post insinuated that you had to be a complete moron or jackass and f'up completely to wreck your car

i think all you have to do is make a mistake, posts above make reference to "overconfidence" i think alot of accidents happen that way and some happen as a result of very little confidence, what i'm saying is you don't know. there is no formula that says overconfidence + stupid = wreck.

jeff

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
Well ... I was trying to keep this light-hearted ... :rolleyes: .. then again, I guess I am giving people crap ...

well at least its bumping the thread....

jeff

Originally posted by Andy
Honestly, James, I would not waste your breath.

James, you posted this thread to let people know about it. If they want to come....great...if not...no big deal. I wouldn't waste your time justifying why they should go. It's better to have only the guys who WANT to be there show up.

i think i was just responding to his unilateral commentary about how wrecks happen...but now that its just an informative post i would agree

jeff

Probably one of the best learning tools for me, moreso than autox and track was the skidpad. May not seem "thrilling", but you really do learn a lot. Plus it makes for great sig pics when you drift yo' whip. Or someone else's...:D

That dude Aryan from Car Guys is AWESOME. Talk about car control. He jumped in various cars (including his Ford F550 dulaie turbodiesel pick up truck and James' Turbo) and drifted them around the skidpad.

Also, instructors don't pressure you. They may encourage you to go faster as you progress, but if you don't feel comfortable, you can always say so. They will respect your wishes.

Originally posted by Jed
That dude Aryan from Car Guys is AWESOME. Talk about car control. He jumped in various cars (including his Ford F550 dulaie turbodiesel pick up truck and James' Turbo) and drifted them around the skidpad.


aryan is very good, especially on the skidpad...

jeff

Jeff -- I think you are way to sensitive to my comments in the initital post .. but, I've retracted everything ... feel better now? Are you sure your baby is not keeping you up making you grumpy in the mornings? :stickoutt ;)

It was not my intention to insinuate that a person that goes off is an f-ing moron driver ... my point was that a person should drive within their own capabilities if they are a FIRST time student. If you read the preceding sentences, that would have placed my comments in context. You took the one sentence and blew it out of proportion. Then again, it's my fault for putting it in there in the first place ...

James-

If I do the Car Guys event, can I use the Green Machine again? I seem to go faster in that car for some reason...:evil2 ;)

(just trying to lighten the mood) :laugh

:D

Originally posted by kapolani
This is going to be my first event.

I've cleared the schedule.

You guys staying up there or driving home at night?

If I go...I will be driving back. It really isn't too far of a drive for me.

John -

I'd really encourage you to do Car Guys at Summit Pt this weekend. Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact that I'll be at Saturday's NCC autox and you're currently in 1st place in SSM with Glenn and me couple points behind tied for 2d!

Neil

Cool! You guys talking about wrecking makes me want to go see this DE. It gets boring w/o wrecks. DOH!

j/k

Originally posted by Neil
John -

I'd really encourage you to do Car Guys at Summit Pt this weekend. Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact that I'll be at Saturday's NCC autox and you're currently in 1st place in SSM with Glenn and me couple points behind tied for 2d!

Neil

:laugh

Wait - there's no possible way I'm in first. I've only finished first in one event (coincidentally, Glenn didn't attend that event). They must have made a mistake.

Have they posted the season points yet?

John

John -

My calculations were based on point totals to-date. Perhaps a bit misleading since championship based on results from best 4 (of 6) events. In any case, because you've run every event -- and not finished lower than 3rd -- your cumulative point total is 44. Glenn and I are both at 38. However, if just count best 4 events, Glenn is at 38, you're at 36 and I'm at 32 :bawl

Neil

So, with all this blabbering back and forth about driver error and going to the track, is anyone actually going to SIGN UP and GO this time?!?! I'm tired of running these things for you guys so everyone can talk about it, but no one actually ponies up the cash to drive! :D

I'm going to be out of town on Oct 31st, and I'm going to SEMA in early Nov, so applications have to be on my desk by Oct 30th!

I would go but it is a little to pricey for me. I just can't justify spending over 4 bills for a track weekend. Not a flame, just my situation.

i wish some of the participants in my FATT groups could read what some of you guys posted. I'm glad at least the bmw drivers have a good maturity level at the track. I'll never forget that silver 300zx TT that almost rear ended me at 160+ before turn one.(didn't know he'd close up so fast before braking, otherwise i'd point by)

you never answered my question on do i really need to know my blood type and date of last tetanus shot

jeff


Originally posted by Pro-Imports
So, with all this blabbering back and forth about driver error and going to the track, is anyone actually going to SIGN UP and GO this time?!?! I'm tired of running these things for you guys so everyone can talk about it, but no one actually ponies up the cash to drive! :D

Pro- Imports--

I emailed you about getting some brake stuff done. As long as i get that taken care of first then I think I am in. I will email you again today.

Originally posted by Pro-Imports
So, with all this blabbering back and forth about driver error and going to the track, is anyone actually going to SIGN UP and GO this time?!?! I'm tired of running these things for you guys so everyone can talk about it, but no one actually ponies up the cash to drive! :D


I am guilty of this regarding the VIR event last weekend. :(

But i ending up doing the Ferrari one at Summit Point. Oh well. :dunno

Originally posted by Andy
I am guilty of this regarding the VIR event last weekend. :(

But i ending up doing the Ferrari one at Summit Point. Oh well. :dunno

Hey OT but i went to the ferrari event last night at the dealership in sterling, it was the unveiling of the Enzo

can i just say that i was in the front row and when the beautiful ladies took the cover off the car, my heart stopped for a sec...its amazing :buttrock

jeff

There is a Chapterfest in Nov. too???


LOL no I messed up, but there is a BMWCCA autocross that weekend. So I'm going to stick with that to end the year.

Originally posted by Lance325is
LOL no I messed up, but there is a BMWCCA autocross that weekend. So I'm going to stick with that to end the year.
Come ooooon, you know you want to get out of second gear. Shifting is good......"track dat shyt!!!".:D

Originally posted by Andy
Come ooooon, you know you want to get out of second gear. Shifting is good......"track dat shyt!!!".:D

Or for $15 you can come play with the rest of us at the autocross :)

how much track time do you get with Car guys? just curious. I'm going for sure.

Or for $15 you can come play with the rest of us at the autocross

10-4, track days are for next year :). Rimmzzzz hahaha, Jed says it all the time. I thought I'd try.

Originally posted by Lance325is
Rimmzzzz hahaha, Jed says it all the time. I thought I'd try.

YES! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH! :evil2

Another convert to the frivolity!

bump for the last day to sign up for a cool event. I'm definately in.

I called David at Pro Imports inquiring about doing only one day.

He said that we have to call Car Guys to see if we can do one day....and if we only want to do one day...you have to do it on Sat. only!!

I will post what I find out.

i asked them last week if you could sign up for one day.

like andy said, you can only do it on Saturday. It is$250 for one day.

I decided to do both days, since I probably won't be doing any track days til next year after this.

Originally posted by markr325is
i asked them last week if you could sign up for one day.

like andy said, you can only do it on Saturday. It is$250 for one day.

I decided to do both days, since I probably won't be doing any track days til next year after this.

I got an email back from Aryan and he said one day is fine if I do it on Sat. He never mentioned how much it was though.

He never mentioned how much it was though.

$410 :biglaughb ...

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
$410 :biglaughb ...

No, for one day.;)

David suggested that I mention the Pro Imports special and Aryan might give us a half price deal of $205.

*EDIT* Got my confirmation email. Yes, it is $205.

$205 eh?

do you have to mention that you are a BF member?

crap, i faxed my app in two days ago and i hope they don't charge me $500.


who else is going to the point 15-16?

Originally posted by markr325is
$205 eh?

do you have to mention that you are a BF member?

crap, i faxed my app in two days ago and i hope they don't charge me $500.


who else is going to the point 15-16?

Hey Mark..where did you fax your application?? I emailed Aryan and told him that I am going through the Pro Imports group offer.

He said he would let me participate on Sat. for $205.

PM me if you need any help getting it for that price.

I'm going to have to wait until the last minute on this one. I would love to do another CG event. You will get a ton of track time, and what I thought was one of the best instructors I've had to date. Hopefully the schedule will clear, and the weather will cooperate.

I'll be there... can't get enough track time this year...

Best,

PeteinMD
'00 M Coupe

Originally posted by PeteinMD
I'll be there... can't get enough track time this year...

Best,

PeteinMD
'00 M Coupe

COOL!! Looks like we should have a nice showing at da track!!:clap:

M coupes seem to LOVE Summit Point. I saw one today perform VERY well.

Looks like the deadline might have been Halloween. If I can still get in, I will probably go for at least saturday.

hope everyone makes it out to CG...looking to have a lot of cars out there I think!....Document/Zach...bet your looking forward to running the GC setup at Simmit...hope it goes well...

Regis, how's the coupe holding up? .... team bar's Andy, Jeddy, and James will be there I'm guessing along with several other BMW participants I know of...

I think for some of us this will wrap up the year...I am done after this and will focus on what needs to be done for next season after this event...i.e. chassis, fire supressent system etc...whatever else pops up:dunno

Originally posted by sunir
...whatever else pops up:dunno

RimmzzZZzz, stickerzzzz and spoilerzzzzzz

Originally posted by sunir
hope everyone makes it out to CG...looking to have a lot of cars out there I think!....Document/Zach...bet your looking forward to running the GC setup at Simmit...hope it goes well...

Regis, how's the coupe holding up? .... team bar's Andy, Jeddy, and James will be there I'm guessing along with several other BMW participants I know of...

I think for some of us this will wrap up the year...I am done after this and will focus on what needs to be done for next season after this event...i.e. chassis, fire supressent system etc...whatever else pops up:dunno

Hey Sunir...fix your sig. ;)

Jeddy wont be running. So far...it is only James and me showin fo team.BAR. :buttrock

I think the rest of team.BAR is focusing on autoXs....and of course...DA SHOWZZZZ!!!:D

I have a '04 3.30ci which is like 4 months old. I want to wait a little while before I take it to the tracks. But is there a fee to watch? I would like to come and see and get an idea of what this is all about.

Thanks...

I might be out of this one guys --- check the f/i forum and the thread I started if you want to follow along. Unless someone wants to loan me their car ... I doubt I can make this one.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146095

For anyone that's been to an event like this before, is there an area where people can watch? My gf always complains that she's never seen me race (usually a drag racer -- i never take her 'cause i know she'd be bored).. THis sounds like it would be more exciting. Anyone know?

Originally posted by jterp
For anyone that's been to an event like this before, is there an area where people can watch? My gf always complains that she's never seen me race (usually a drag racer -- i never take her 'cause i know she'd be bored).. THis sounds like it would be more exciting. Anyone know?

Yeah, there are plenty of places to watch from. I went to Summit this past weekend to watch. It was pretty fun.

can come and watch at Summit...there are places to see al over sections of the track.

also, James, if your car was running well chances are you would be fine on track...you just finished the FoW event without problems or symptoms (such as oil globules in the coolant). Your engine's compression was good and this is the last event of the year for most folks...would have been a good way to close out '03 for ya...you could have gotten your car fixed in the winter when they'd have more time to do the work, it is the track time you'll miss the most during the winter so it is good to get as much as you can right now...the way I see it is that you'll pay the same when your head gasket goes (they'll check and freshen the head regardless at that point) as you will just on freshening the head without anything majorly wrong...I think preventative maintanance is good, just so much may not be needed and will definately cost lots of $$$ some of which may not even be really needed, just remember the faster you get the more things break, and the less you're likely to be out there in a 'perfectly running fully tuned to the hilt' car...just got out there and drive and have fun!

hope this helps:)

Lol Sunir ... and so sayeth the man that has blown two headgaskets this year ... I am not a playa' or balla' like you guys ... so, I make calculated moves.

True, I could have waited -- but, gee sunir, let's see... wait, let my engine overheat, and HOPE that I ONLY warp the block and not scorch my pistons/cylinder walls, etc ... etc. Gee, how much is a new block these days, ahh yes, $2200 ... what am I thinking, that's SO MUCH cheaper than what I am paying now for the headgasket job ... why didn't I think of it??? :stickoutt .. I mean hello ... they can't freshen a cracked or badly warped head you know.

You are not even close on this one Sunir ... it was a MUCH smarter decision for me to fix it right now than to wait. Besides, there is still hope that I can make ... the head was pulled off today and I got to look at it. Pat was pretty happy and said that good thing you did it now since there was no damage ...

Plus, I'll know more by this weekend if it can be fixed by next week -- so far, it looks pretty good that I can run with Car Guys ... we'll see ... we'll see.

You know what though, who cares about the track ... it's all about takin' it to da streetzzzz ... I thank team.BAR for teaching me that philosophy ... I always thought it belonged on the track; but, oh how wrong i was.

Originally posted by NoSoup4U


You know what though, who cares about the track ... it's all about takin' it to da streetzzzz ... I thank team.BAR for teaching me that philosophy ... I always thought it belonged on the track; but, oh how wrong i was.

:alright

Don't listen to Sunir anyways. I hear he defected to another team without telling us.:rolleyes: :az:

Oh well....team.BAR is still strong than ever. Sunir, my friend....team. BAR will see YOU at da track soon enough!!:mad:

:D

Hey guyzzz [Andy/Jed - did that count??] -

There is an Audi school at VIR on the FULL COURSE on December 5 - 6. Last I checked there were still openings.
I may head down there for my last fix before the winter.

Neil

Originally posted by Neil
Hey guyzzz [Andy/Jed - did that count??] -

There is an Audi school at VIR on the FULL COURSE on December 5 - 6. Last I checked there were still openings.
I may head down there for my last fix before the winter.

Neil

AHAHAHA. Neil...you are getting better at it. However, when you refer to more than one person it is madatory to use at least 4 Z's. Also, if you were only referring to one person...you are at liberty to use either 3 or 4 Z's. Generally, you use 3 Z's...but if you want to stress that word....you should use 4 Z's. Make sense???:dunno

:D

I am VERY interested. I would LOVE to drive VIR. I hear VIR is da shiZZZZ (notice the use of 4 Z's to stress the word shiz :D)

So Andy are you going for sure? I may come up to peep them bitchin' ridezzz since it's only about 40 minutes away from me. I definitely cant drive on the track though since I just put on some sweet 16" snow rimzzz. It's great, it looks like I have a BBK now. Dont know why people spend all that money on huge discs. :dunno

It's a good thing I didnt try to run during the FoW event, when I took off my 17's I noticed that my camber (and maybe alignment) issue in the rear had worn the inside of my tires to the cords.

On second thought maybe Ill run my car just to watch the chunks of tread fly off and hear those 50-series tires howl. :D

Originally posted by Neil
Hey guyzzz [Andy/Jed - did that count??] -

There is an Audi school at VIR on the FULL COURSE on December 5 - 6. Last I checked there were still openings.
I may head down there for my last fix before the winter.

Neil
Neil,

I am in that one too, lol; nice. I think Rafael is comming as well, and another friend of mine to double our STis :)

When will you be leaving for VIR? I will start the journey on late Friday. I gotta make some hotel reservations :)

Originally posted by Mikey52
So Andy are you going for sure? I may come up to peep them bitchin' ridezzz since it's only about 40 minutes away from me. I definitely cant drive on the track though since I just put on some sweet 16" snow rimzzz. It's great, it looks like I have a BBK now. Dont know why people spend all that money on huge discs. :dunno

It's a good thing I didnt try to run during the FoW event, when I took off my 17's I noticed that my camber (and maybe alignment) issue in the rear had worn the inside of my tires to the cords.

On second thought maybe Ill run my car just to watch the chunks of tread fly off and hear those 50-series tires howl. :D

Yeah, Mike...I already sent in my payment. I will be going only on Sat. I might be able to take you for a ride one session too.

dude... you are just a whore ... a track whore now ... Holy crappola --- that's dedication to go down to VIR for only one day ...

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
dude... you are just a whore ... a track whore now ... Holy crappola --- that's dedication to go down to VIR for only one day ...

It's at Summit Point. ;)

It's at Summit Point.

What?? Is VIR too far and mommy can't hold your hand then?? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
What?? Is VIR to far and mommy can't hold your hand then?? :rolleyes:
too

ENGLISH MUTHA FUKKA!!! Do you speak it??

Man, I wish I had that pic. :(

:D

I have that pic ... just no place to host it. :(

Besides, what the hell are you talking about ...

Geez .. get some reading glasses Grammar Nazi ... :stickoutt

:flipa: :flipa:


:unclesam: < --- hey, never saw this icon before -- gotta find a way to use it... is he saying "Team Bar ownzzzz you?" :)

Originally posted by NoSoup4U

Geez .. get some reading glasses Grammar Nazi ... :stickoutt


Are you sure it's not GRAMPA Nazi?? Andy is that old:biglaughb

George-

You need your old John Stamos sig that you had on DTMPower.

:laugh

"Uncle Jesse is considered a hero in the Greek community. Most Greek families have several pictures of him in their household...it is only natural that I have seen almost every episode."

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64946

Originally posted by Jed
George-

You need your old John Stamos sig that you had on DTMPower.

:laugh

"Uncle Jesse is considered a hero in the Greek community. Most Greek families have several pictures of him in their household...it is only natural that I have seen almost every episode."

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64946
:clap: :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb

holy shit that thread was funny!!

BTW Andy-Stephanie is busted you pervert!!!!

How does one go about signing up for the Audi event at VIR?

Originally posted by GreekM3
:clap: :biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb

holy shit that thread was funny!!

BTW Andy-Stephanie is busted you pervert!!!!

:biglaughb :laugh

Who has the password to my account on DTM??:confused: :laugh

See site:

http://quattroclubusa.org/r/potomac/news/calendar.html#December

NOTE: you need to join the Audi Club of NA to play.

Best, & see you there,

PeteinMD
'00 M Coupe