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One of the cars of BMWKLUB in Slovakia. I'm not usually a fan of gold wheels, but this car pulls it off wonderfully with the color combination. Just wanted to share this with you guys:D

Nice car but if I'm gonna get an Alpina it's damn sure gonna be a version that came with the vented hood! Oh wait, there's an alternative........
It would be an interesting resale scenario.... aftermarket Alpina-style hood painted an exact color match on a real Alpina. Would the car be considered molested and devalued to a prospective buyer? Aesthetic license has already been taken with the wheels and rear cans.

Aesthetic license?? more like Driving without a license. Those are very "tacky" add-ons that just make the car look cheap. Hell, if you have an ALPINA why mess with a good thing. I guess they must be a dime a dozen over there....

Also, I thought the 5.0's had the stock hood and the 5.7's had the vents - not sure if this really is one or not..

:)

...checked the pics again - ALPINA wanna-be. Steering Wheel emblem, seat piping/stiching missing, etc. The only ALPINA things are the emblems, wheels, and floor mats. Also the side pinstriping on the passenger side is missing.his car is either a 90, 91, or 92 judging from the door sill plates - definately NOT a B12-5.7!!

Aesthetic license?? more like Driving without a license. Those are very "tacky" add-ons that just make the car look cheap. Hell, if you have an ALPINA why mess with a good thing. I guess they must be a dime a dozen over there....

Also, I thought the 5.0's had the stock hood and the 5.7's had the vents - not sure if this really is one or not..

:)

...checked the pics again - ALPINA wanna-be. Steering Wheel emblem, seat piping/stiching missing, etc. The only ALPINA things are the emblems, wheels, and floor mats. Also the side pinstriping on the passenger side is missing.his car is either a 90, 91, or 92 judging from the door sill plates - definately NOT a B12-5.7!!
my thaughts exactly. has any one got the vin?

Aesthetic license has already been taken with the wheels and rear cans.

I thought those were gun turrets sticking out when I saw them. Not sure I understand the appeal of having pipes sticking out that far...

Nice car but if I'm gonna get an Alpina it's damn sure gonna be a version that came with the vented hood! Oh wait, there's an alternative........
It would be an interesting resale scenario.... aftermarket Alpina-style hood painted an exact color match on a real Alpina. Would the car be considered molested and devalued to a prospective buyer? Aesthetic license has already been taken with the wheels and rear cans.

Mr. Cradick, the first sentence would make a great marketing add for you guys who are involved with the replica Alpina hood.

An aftermarket Alpina-styled hood painted to look like the real thing, I think it would devalue the car to a "collector" rather than your regular prospective buyer. I don't know, it's just something that collectors don't accept when a car has unoriginal factory parts on their cars. I don't get them. Wonder why:rolleyes

Alpina wanna-be. Steering Wheel emblem, seat piping/stiching missing, etc. The only ALPINA things are the emblems, wheels, and floor mats. Also the side pinstriping on the passenger side is missing.his car is either a 90, 91, or 92 judging from the door sill plates - definately NOT a B12-5.7!!

+1. This is not an Alpina (even a 5.0).

OMG just noticed them pipes look like craps and ya no seat interior work

Also the Alpina Floor Mats are single color with the Alpina Crest in the center.

Wow, you guys have a really good eye. Apparently, you all cannot be fooled:(

I will try to find some engine bay pictures and see if you guys can spot the diffrences.

Unfortunately, someone will be dumb enough to not due the research and potentially will be taken for a lot of money..... unless of course the sales person is honest :shifty

I am also under the impression that a real Alpina would have a gold emblem in the glovebox area.

What a real Alpina definitely has is an Alpina serial number.

A fake Alpina made a visit to the SE 09 Mt Dora Gathering in Florida a month ago. I'll post the pictures shortly.

Those exhaust tips are hideous.

first thing I noticed was everything that was missing, then the exhaust, then the wheels. lol.

wow that is a crazy looking car. i kinda like some aspects and i kinda dont. too bad its not real.

5.7 Automatic too?

she's "one of a kind!" ;) hahaha.

I am definitely not an expert on E31's nor am I an expert on Alpina's however, I thought the car was missing a lot of authentic attributes as well and found this on the web.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~alsoft/850%20alpina/b12_57.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ealsoft/850%20alpina/b12_57.htm)

Interesting...

:confused

I am definitely not an expert on E31's nor am I an expert on Alpina's however, I thought the car was missing a lot of authentic attributes as well and found this on the web.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~alsoft/850%20alpina/b12_57.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ealsoft/850%20alpina/b12_57.htm)


Your link has a B12, the Slovak fake the OP posted and the following Florida fake are B10 fakes

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Ok here are the pictures of the fake Florida Alpina. It's based on a US 6 spd, so it has a CB42XXX VIN.

http://www.upload.mn/files/thumbs/vazxt2janm9wq78yy4yo_thumb.jpeg (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://www.upload.mn/files/thumbs/vazxt2janm9wq78yy4yo_thumb.jpeg%5B/IMG%5D)

You'll never guess who that man is ;-)

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http://www.upload.mn/files/thumbs/x1nwnag3q2lqjknt9fi7_thumb.jpeg (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://www.upload.mn/files/thumbs/x1nwnag3q2lqjknt9fi7_thumb.jpeg%5B/IMG%5D)
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http://www.upload.mn/files/thumbs/kbgkmnsov5vw1fzqujia_thumb.jpeg (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://www.upload.mn/files/thumbs/kbgkmnsov5vw1fzqujia_thumb.jpeg%5B/IMG%5D)
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Enjoy.
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start with a "J" ?

No - this is a NA 6 spd (WBAEG) not a Jap import via Canada.

I was talking about the owners name.

All I know is that last name starts with an R, or at least it does not seem like a conventional first name. I did not speak with him but other people who hang out on this forum at times probably had.

Nice car but if I'm gonna get an Alpina it's damn sure gonna be a version that came with the vented hood!

See my note above re: B10 v B12.

Oh wait, there's an alternative........
It would be an interesting resale scenario.... aftermarket Alpina-style hood painted an exact color match on a real Alpina. Would the car be considered molested and devalued to a prospective buyer?
It would not be considered molested if the original (unmolested) hood were included with the victim 8er. ;-)
Aesthetic license has already been taken with the wheels and rear cans.
Kinda like the rim/paint color combo. Hate the rear bazookas (or are they JATO packs?)!!! You could not park that thing nose in anywhere fearing some Skoda or Trabi driver might crash into them. (Or maybe a flock of sheep.)

But a good sharp carbide blade would solve that whole problem in a few minutes.

I am seriously wondering how many blue Alpinas there are. This goes for real & fake B10/12 E31's. Every damn car seems to be blue.

You've seen Alfie's red B12 which is in NY/MD right? It was at the 8-fest in Watkins Glen in '05.

Yes Alfie's B12 is dropdead gorgeous! And thank god it's not blue and doesn't have the Alpina stripes (which doesn't look bad on some cars, but I prefer the 8 without the pinstripes).

Yes Alfie's B12 is dropdead gorgeous! And thank god it's not blue and doesn't have the Alpina stripes (which doesn't look bad on some cars, but I prefer the 8 without the pinstripes).

Pictures! The only red Alpina I've seen was from the website.

I have seen that Alpina in person. It is gorgeous. The interior is a little too red for me.

Pictures! The only red Alpina I've seen was from the website.

Which website?

i also noticed that they put in a tacky, MERCEDES! "v12" emblem on the driver's side fender. who the heck would be clueless enough to put one of those on their car!!!! :lol

heck - i think putting them on a wanna be alpina car is worse than MY crime. they don't even come close to belonging there, whereas on a stock 850 one might argue that they should have been there in the first place (from the factory). of course, bmw emblems, not mercedes. that was my screw up that i'm living with for now... :buttrock

this is a fake Alpina ..........................SNYTER .


http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r381/koenig_ks8/alpinab60.jpg

^^^And it's blue! :lol3

Which website? I forget where I found this at....

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/mt33215/redalpina.jpg

I forget where I found this at....

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/mt33215/redalpina.jpg


...maybe: supercars.net? (at least that is what it says in the pic...)
:)

^^^Hahah

Don't say here we go again!
what I need to know is has anyone got a Alpina 5.7 bonnet that I can take some dimaetions from?(positions of the vents)

[quote=cantbl8;16014046]Your link has a B12, the Slovak fake the OP posted and the following Florida fake are B10 fakes

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So, you are saying that the B12 in the first post is actually supposed to be a fake B10? Wow! He is so outsmarting us. He actually has a B12 on the deck lid. :confused

[quote=cantbl8;16014046]Your link has a B12, the Slovak fake the OP posted and the following Florida fake are B10 fakes

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So, you are saying that the B12 in the first post is actually supposed to be a fake B10? Wow! He is so outsmarting us. He actually has a B12 on the deck lid. :confused

Thanks for pointing that out. The moment I saw that plain hood I did not even bother to look at the rear emblem. No one would dare to slap the B12 on something like that I thought. It was an honest mistake and I did not have my reading glasses on. So - there! ;-)

Do you really live in Somerset? You sound more like you are from Bound Brook, Dunellen or Plainfield. I used to work on Atrium drive a loong time ago.

...maybe: supercars.net? (at least that is what it says in the pic...)
:)Kinds looks that way.. It was on my other computer and I posted it on my way out the door.. But thanks for pointing it out to me Steff...Now don't I feel stupid...........:)

It is actually the ALPINA Brochure pic of a red 850 from Oberallgau in Germany...

It is actually the ALPINA Brochure pic of a red 850 from Oberallgau in Germany...I've had that pic for years , and haven't actually looked at it in a very long time.. Nice car though..

Ok guys, I've had enough fun pulling you guys chain. Most of you guys have made the correct assumptions about what is and is not missing. Here is a real Alpina B12 5.7L. This is one of 57 (number 27) in the world, an probrably the only one (or close to it) in the United States.


THE CONFUSING THING FOR ME IS, I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE CSI FRONT BUMPER, NOT ALPINA WITH THE LIP ON THE STOCK LOOKING BUMPER. AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3456-1/IMG_8473.JPG

http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3454-1/IMG_8472.JPG

http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3450-1/IMG_8470.JPG

LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF MATERIAL AND TRIM ON THE TOOL CASE COVERING.
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3480-1/IMG_8485.JPG

http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3470-1/IMG_8480.JPG

THE VENTED HOOD
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3474-1/IMG_8482.JPG

ALPINA'S SPORT SEATS (SOMEONE MENTIONED IT EARLIER) AND DOOR SILL
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3432-1/IMG_8461.JPG

THE BADGED STEERING WHEEL
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3426-1/IMG_8458.JPG

http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3501-2/IMG_8490.JPG

BEHOLD..... THE 5.7
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3424-1/IMG_8457.JPG

REAR SPORTS SEAT PATTERN
http://www.m850csi.com/gallery/main.php/d/3484-1/IMG_8487.JPG

THE CONFUSING THING FOR ME IS, I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE CSI FRONT BUMPER, NOT ALPINA WITH THE LIP ON THE STOCK LOOKING BUMPER. AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?
The Alpina B12 5.7 Coupé was available with either the Alpine nose or the CSi nose.

The Alpina B12 5.7 Coupé was available with either the Alpine nose or the CSi nose.

Ok, thanks for the comfirmation :cool

One of the cars of BMWKLUB in Slovakia. I'm not usually a fan of gold wheels, but this car pulls it off wonderfully with the color combination. Just wanted to share this with you guys:D

Alpina-clones are a problem, especially when the owner(s) claim they are real Alpinas. This is a well-known clone.

I am seriously wondering how many blue Alpinas there are. This goes for real & fake B10/12 E31's. Every damn car seems to be blue.

- 47 of the 97 B12 5.0's were one of 7 shades of Blue (48.4%)
- 18 of the 57 B12 5.7's were one of 5 shades of Blue (31.5%)

Alpina-clones are a problem, especially when the owner(s) claim they are real Alpinas. This is a well-known clone.

Yes, i know that car, it´s clone (like my J-spec car)..... but my is nicer :-)

Yes, i know that car, it´s clone (like my J-spec car)..... but my is nicer :-)

Guess you never claimed to have Alpina B12 5,0 xx/97 (and thinking of your exhaust tipps...:))

Guess you never claimed to have Alpina B12 5,0 xx/97 (and thinking of your exhaust tipps...:))


You´re right..... :)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9467/28032008357gu8.jpg

;)

Thought I'd share an Alpina site I came across:

Alpina B12 5.7 E31:
http://home.arcor.de/alpinamaeuse/Einzelfotos/Alpina_B12_5.7_E31/gallery.html


Root link:
http://www.alpina-maus.de/

What's all this talk about B10's when talking about the e31? The 8 only came in two different versions from Alpina, and they were both labelled B12. First the B12 5.0 all automatics, based on the 850i with the m70 engine. Then the B12 5.7, based on the Csi with the s70 engine. All of these were manual 6 spds.
Talking about the wheels, I actually believe there were B12 delivered from Alpina with gold wheels. There is an original 5.0 in Norway in dark blue with the stripes and wheels in gold.

I actually believe there were B12 delivered from Alpina with gold wheels. There is an original 5.0 in Norway in dark blue with the stripes and wheels in gold.

That guy from Slovakia respray his silver wheels to gold.... ;-)

AFAIK ALPINA cars always have RED needles in the instruments. This one hasn't. And these ridiculous exhaust pipes are also anything but ALPINA.
ALPINA cars also do not have the BMW badge on the steering wheel.

These is the cluster of my Ex-E32-B12:

http://www.wokke.de/ALPINA-B12/test.JPG