So I just came off highway 80 onto a relatively new street where they are starting to construct buildings, but really haven't. That means the street is wide open and very LONG. Anyway, I stop at the light right after the exit and a CRX comes alongside my right side and lines up. He looks over at me and revs his engine. I figure, why not. I stage at around 3500 and when the light turns I go for it. The problem was my pilots were really worn out in the rear and I spun the tires, so he easily took me at the line. He is off, maybe about 3 car lengths ahead, I'm working the gears, frantically hitting second, and then third. He is still about 2 car lengths ahead. I hit third and I start catching him like a bat out of hell. As I was passing him, I flashed the ole' peace sign and shut it down once I got about 3 car lengths ahead.

After the race, we both pulled over and talked about the cars. My mods include short shifter and exhaust.
His car, looking like an innocent lamb, had an integra GS-R motor! I knew I heard VTEC! The thing I was impressed by the most was his short shifter, and I mean short! A shift was like half and inch if even that. He told me that was a custom job. Anyway, very nice Honda guy. I gave him his props and left. If he ever added forced induction, he would eat me up for breakfast!

sounded like he has a mean car!
nice run :)

Aahhh... sleeper Hondas... they can be fast, they weigh NOTHING!

Turbo LS VTEC in a CRX.

:eek:

That'll get the job done.

He should run 13's with just a straight swap!

Given that at higher speeds, he'd lose anyway.

Another M3 representing in SF!?! Cool...

Nice kill.

Originally posted by WannaM
He should run 13's with just a straight swap!

no, low 14's, if even that

Nice kill.

How does one 'hear' VTEC though?

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Nice kill.

How does one 'hear' VTEC though?

The car honestly sounds like it got a kick in the ass. My friend has an integra VTec and it sounds like going from 80% throttle to full throttle. It works by changing the valve times so you have both low end torque and high end power. Pretty nifty stuff if you ask me. Good story too.

VTEC is a cam lobe change...essentially like have 2 sets of cams. a low rpm lobe and then a switch to a rpm lobe, longer duration, higher lift. they get very loud after the switch. it was a night and day difference in my ITR modded 93 GSR. a lot of people confuse VTEC with variable cam timing, which it is not.
that said, i've been beaten by a CRX before...had an H22a with headwork though, so never under-estimate some of those cars out there.

Originally posted by Andy W
VTEC is a cam lobe change...essentially like have 2 sets of cams. a low rpm lobe and then a switch to a rpm lobe, longer duration, higher lift. they get very loud after the switch. it was a night and day difference in my ITR modded 93 GSR. a lot of people confuse VTEC with variable cam timing, which it is not.
that said, i've been beaten by a CRX before...had an H22a with headwork though, so never under-estimate some of those cars out there.

Exactly this way it doesnt have to sacrifice low end or high end power cause it has both.

Originally posted by Andy W
i've been beaten by a CRX before...had an H22a with headwork though, so never under-estimate some of those cars out there.[/B]


Dam sneaky honda's luckily I have yet to run into something like this.

When VTEC "hits", there's a noticeable change in the sound of the engine. Hard to describe, but very perceptible.

It typically occurs around 5500 RPM. This can change if they have a VTEC controller.

Originally posted by Ron17
When VTEC "hits", there's a noticeable change in the sound of the engine. Hard to describe, but very perceptible.

It typically occurs around 5500 RPM. This can change if they have a VTEC controller.

Exactly because it changes from velocity and leans more to volume. The more velocity you have the more torque you get but the more volume you get the more HP you get. If you catch some guy that has a Vtec controller and put it for very low RPM you will kill him because he will have no torque off the line.

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
If you catch some guy that has a Vtec controller and put it for very low RPM you will kill him because he will have no torque off the line.

BINGO! :D

Some idiots think they'll just crank the controller down to like 2000 RPM:

"Man, I'll just have VTEC kick in really early and I'll KILL him..."

:laugh

These guys don't understand that things don't work that way in the real world -- there's a reason why VTEC kicks in at HIGHER RPM. Oh, well...

Thats why we will continue to own them :).

:laugh :laugh :laugh

Nice run! I still haven't seen a FAST CRX here in SD. I'm sure their somewhere around here though ;)

Originally posted by slickav
Nice run! I still haven't seen a FAST CRX here in SD. I'm sure their somewhere around here though ;)

Theres a CRX that runs around Miami with a FAKE front mount intercooler. Its actually just a huge filter. LoL He parked once and I said wheres the other pipe (the intake) and didnt answer and ran to the gas station. LoL

vtec is even sweeter on my cl-s

roll races are great, we can just shift to where the vtec engages, 4800 rpm till 7100
in 2nd, 50 mph
3rd 70mph

Originally posted by bsk181
vtec is even sweeter on my cl-s

roll races are great, we can just shift to where the vtec engages, 4800 rpm till 7100
in 2nd, 50 mph
3rd 70mph


Sorry Ive had bad experiences with Cl and TL's. I have yet to see a fast one (sorry). Some guy here in Town spend WAY to much cash on a TL and sadly its still slow.

Sorry Ive had bad experiences with Cl and TL's. I have yet to see a fast one (sorry). Some guy here in Town spend WAY to much cash on a TL and sadly its still slow

So true.

Originally posted by BMitchW 323is
no, low 14's, if even that

Well unfortunately it seems as though alot of "swaps" are either poorly tuned, (S-AFC and VAFC do wonders on these cars) or really bad drivers cause most of them struggler to run good and pull like 2.3 60fts.. however put in the hands of a driver and some who knows what they are doing they are solid 13second cars..

Like for example TheWoodside who ran 13.8 @ 99 bonestock, ran a friend of ours GSR Swap Hatchback, with intake,exhaust, header and they ran like 3 times from like 40mph rolls till 130ish, 2 times the GSR won but 1-2cars, the 3rd time the GSR gave TheWoodside the punch and they were side by side and the GSR slowly pulled 1/2 car.

It really depends on car and driver

How much does a CRX weigh? If I'm not mistaken, an Acura GSR weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 2600-2700 pounds, maybe even closer to 2500. So, I'm just wondering how much less than that a CRX weighs for it to be able to run low 14's, even possibly high 13's with the GSR motor. Is it under 2,000 pounds?

^ A CRX weighs about 2000 - 2100 lbs im pretty sure

Originally posted by VWSport.Com
Well unfortunately it seems as though alot of "swaps" are either poorly tuned, (S-AFC and VAFC do wonders on these cars) or really bad drivers cause most of them struggler to run good and pull like 2.3 60fts.. however put in the hands of a driver and some who knows what they are doing they are solid 13second cars..

Like for example TheWoodside who ran 13.8 @ 99 bonestock, ran a friend of ours GSR Swap Hatchback, with intake,exhaust, header and they ran like 3 times from like 40mph rolls till 130ish, 2 times the GSR won but 1-2cars, the 3rd time the GSR gave TheWoodside the punch and they were side by side and the GSR slowly pulled 1/2 car.

It really depends on car and driver

Ok if 13.8 is your thing. My FD runs a 14 FLAT from factory. With my mods now im probably doing high 12's or 13 FLAT. One of these guys with NOS start at 20mph and on 2nd gear still couldnt touch me. Sorry to break it to all the honda people. Unless you have the 3 magic letters (NSX). Your shit is SLOW. (Sorry the truth hurts). I honestly dont even know how they sell so well. I cant see spending 5k for a swap and running high 13's it just doesnt make sense to me.

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
Ok if 13.8 is your thing. My FD runs a 14 FLAT from factory. With my mods now im probably doing high 12's or 13 FLAT. One of these guys with NOS start at 20mph and on 2nd gear still couldnt touch me. Sorry to break it to all the honda people. Unless you have the 3 magic letters (NSX). Your shit is SLOW. (Sorry the truth hurts). I honestly dont even know how they sell so well. I cant see spending 5k for a swap and running high 13's it just doesnt make sense to me.

Talking a lot of smack for someone who has never run his car at the track...:rolleyes:

the reason why hondas sell so well is because we don't want to be buying new motors every 50k miles

also, hondas can be made fast, just like any other car...well most other cars

there are plenty of hondas that my friends own that run 12's on street tires, stock motors, and relatively low boost

Originally posted by BMitchW 323is
^ A CRX weighs about 2000 - 2100 lbs im pretty sure I don't believe they way that little. The lightest civic weights about 2300lbs I believe (92 CX). Anyhow, the gsr motor is a good motor, with just a swap, he's gotta be about mid 14's. I have a 99 integra GSR, I love my car, but am going to an 95 M3 very soon.. :devillook

First race I ever lost after getting blown was to a blown civic on nitrous.

He slaughtered me! lol.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Talking a lot of smack for someone who has never run his car at the track...:rolleyes:

Ive been to the track past 2 weeks in a row just to get rained out. Im going to run on my shitty tires then when I can afford new ones I'll run with the new ones. 14 Flat is true thats from factory info. 13 Flat is what I got from some site that you input your HP + weight etc etc. I'll talk all the smack I want honestly when I comes to Honduh's because Ive yet to meet one even stand close to me or any M owner I know. Spare me the judgement.

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
Ive been to the track past 2 weeks in a row just to get rained out. Im going to run on my shitty tires then when I can afford new ones I'll run with the new ones. 14 Flat is true thats from factory info. 13 Flat is what I got from some site that you input your HP + weight etc etc. I'll talk all the smack I want honestly when I comes to Honduh's because Ive yet to meet one even stand close to me or any M owner I know. Spare me the judgement.

Those little online calculators are cute and all, but they rarely translate to jack in real life. As far as sparing you any judgement, none of us (including you, by the way) knows what your car, with you driving, runs at the track, cuz it ain't been done yet.

As far as Hondas hanging with M's or your car, let's talk to some E36 M3 owners here about the 14.1 I ran in my wife's bone stock 2003 Acura CL-S 6 spd. It's right there with a lot of our members... they are not ashamed to admit that.

And my current car ain't an "M", but I don't think I have much to worry about where a car like yours is concerned... ;)

Same way I couldnt have to be concerent about you when I pull out my 454 56 Bel Air would I? What are you gonna say?? Get me in the twisties??

Would the race go beyond a 1/4 mile... ? :D

And again, if you've never raced at the strip, bring all the horsepower you want, with lack of experience, more hp only adds to my advantage... ;)

Would there be a turn?

Not sure it would matter, have you yourself ever raced it at the strip?

Wow.

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
Ok if 13.8 is your thing. My FD runs a 14 FLAT from factory. With my mods now im probably doing high 12's or 13 FLAT. One of these guys with NOS start at 20mph and on 2nd gear still couldnt touch me. Sorry to break it to all the honda people. Unless you have the 3 magic letters (NSX). Your shit is SLOW. (Sorry the truth hurts). I honestly dont even know how they sell so well. I cant see spending 5k for a swap and running high 13's it just doesnt make sense to me.

Alright you ignorant bench racing moron,

Lets break shit down for you so even your slow ass can understand.

#1 - YOUR car don't run anything till you run it at the track, the car tested in the magazine ran 14.0, Every CAR and ever DRIVER is different
#2 - If you thing an NSX is FAST then just goes to show how little you know about cars
#3 - Just because some single cam with a 50shot couldn't beat you doesn't mean that a gsr in a bubble with a 50shot wouldn't spank your ass hard.
#4 - I dunno where you get your swaps done, but swaps hear are like $2500-$3000, So you buy a $3500 single cam bubble, spend another $3000 and you now have a low 14sec car, so how much did you FD cost ??? Alot more then $6500 so once again your ignorance is showing.
#5 - I have a car that runs 11.50 @ 122 in real life, now here are a couple videos of HonDUH's that I am PERSONALLY friends with that would WHOOP that pathetic excuse of an Internet Racer you have aka RX7.

My Car running 11.50 @ 121
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=1179

Me getting spanked by a HonDUH
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=916

Me getting spanked again this time I am on drag radials and don't spin 3rd gear, but he is also on drag radials
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=950

The same HonDUH that spanked me running the 1/4 mile raping a Z06, and this car has a STOCK BLOCK
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=975

Me barely beating another friends CRX
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=1303

My friend Paul in his STOCK BLOCK GSR - 11.42 @ 119
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=1207

Steve VW - 11.0 vs Orlando HonDUH 11.3
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=729

My friend Jason Hunt from Maryland in his CRX Street Car - 9.93 @ 148mph
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=925

A Street Car we know from the street races
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=357

Now these are just some of the HonDUH's that I am friends with and hang out with so how about you take the RX7 of yours to the track and stop hating on cars you have no clue about.

Tim

Tim,

Can I get a ride in your car? :) Lunch is on me...

Cant we all just look good in our cars instead of worrying about our quarter mile times. Let us all unite my fellow car driveys. Let us end this quarrels and unite to stop those who would dare threaten us. Ferrari and lambo!!!

I have recently raced a CR-Vtec (Honda CRV block + vtec) in a CRX with 13psi of boost. He runs 12 flat at the track...needless to say he put about 5 lengths on me from 70-110. I also raced a Civic Hatch with a prelude engine (H22), full bolt-on, and nitrous last week. I was even with him through most of first while I was burning out (launched to high)...but when he hit the nitrous when I short-shifted to second for traction, it was all over for me. A straight GSR motor swap will definately pep up a DX civic, but as mentioned earlier expect a 14 second car (keep in mind 2nd generation integra GSRs are fairly light and are considered low 15 second cars) without some work or huge weight reduction.

Actually Tim makes a very valid point, one I've been trying to make all day to Twin, although with a tad more subtlety... ;)

Please keep it civil and watch the language, fellas... :)

Originally posted by VWSport.Com
Alright you ignorant bench racing moron,

Lets break shit down for you so even your slow ass can understand.

#1 - YOUR car don't run anything till you run it at the track, the car tested in the magazine ran 14.0, Every CAR and ever DRIVER is different
#2 - If you thing an NSX is FAST then just goes to show how little you know about cars
#3 - Just because some single cam with a 50shot couldn't beat you doesn't mean that a gsr in a bubble with a 50shot wouldn't spank your ass hard.
#4 - I dunno where you get your swaps done, but swaps hear are like $2500-$3000, So you buy a $3500 single cam bubble, spend another $3000 and you now have a low 14sec car, so how much did you FD cost ??? Alot more then $6500 so once again your ignorance is showing.
#5 - I have a car that runs 11.50 @ 122 in real life, now here are a couple videos of HonDUH's that I am PERSONALLY friends with that would WHOOP that pathetic excuse of an Internet Racer you have aka RX7.

Tim

1. I know this and this is the 2nd time I agree, Ive gone out to the track 2 times already just to get rained out. Mind you the nearest track here is an hour away.

2. I do consider NSX's fast AND handeling.

3. I have nothing against GSR's at all. Since I must repeat myself my friend has a GSR Integra that runs about the same or faster than me with 50 shot of NOS. 75 and we would win. My point against the CL type S is thats its a sports sedan but no low 13 car.

4. My FD has cost me 12k the way it sits. And you consider low 14's fast for 6k??

5. I know a shitload of Honduhs!! that would beat me too. Yet are they complete cars not gutted to shit and no a/c or ps?? Very few and in between are street Civics or Honduh's that can do this. + the twisties.

My God and give me a chance to at least go to the track and it NOT rain. You guys are posting blah blah it aint shit unless it at the track. Chill chill Ive been trying for 2 weeks flat str8.

PS: Remember how much power FD owners are creating out of 1.3 Liters

Folks like Tim and I have close to 25-30 yrs drag racing experience and probably more than 12,000-15,000 runs at the strip in between the both of us.

From the sounds of it, you've never even run your car or any car at the strip, not even once. Yet you talk smack (yes, that's what you're doing half the time here- considering your level of experience at the track) about things like you are an authority on the subject.

It's bound to rub some folks the wrong way, your attitude since you arrived her has been antagonistic and abrasive, not a great way to garner respect or credibility in our community.

I tried to give you a friendly warning earlier today about some of our harcore drag racers here, but it obviously didn't take. You're gonna have to trust us on some of this stuff.

It's ok to have strong opinions, but be open to other viewpoints, and be ok with being wrong, and take the time to learn a few things from others here.

I have 17 yrs drag racing experience and probably over 8000 runs under my belt, and obviously by my post count, I post a great deal all over this site, and I learn stuff here at this site everyday from all kinds of people...

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Folks like Tim and I have close to 25-30 yrs drag racing experience and probably more than 12,000-15,000 runs at the strip in between the both of us.

From the sounds of it, you've never even run your car or any car at the strip, not even once. Yet you talk smack (yes, that's what you're doing half the time here- considering your level of experience at the track) about things like you are an authority on the subject.

It's bound to rub some folks the wrong way, your attitude since you arrived her has been antagonistic and abrasive, not a great way to garner respect or credibility in our community.

I tried to give you a friendly warning earlier today about some of our harcore drag racers here, but it obviously didn't take. You're gonna have to trust us on some of this stuff.

It's ok to have strong opinions, but be open to other viewpoints, and be ok with being wrong, and take the time to learn a few things from others here.

I have 17 yrs drag racing experience and probably over 8000 runs under my belt, and obviously by my post count, I post a great deal all over this site, and I learn stuff here at this site everyday from all kinds of people...

Streak mind if I ask how close you live to your track??
I did not coming here talking smack. What Ive been trying to say countless times is this is my experience on the street. ( I made that clear before each post). I know "street" racing is nothing like the track but if you count how many "street" races Ive had (set up or not) you can count it as "some" sort of experience. I mean how are you ever going to practice shifts and feel for your car. Be at the track 24/7??? No ofcourse not just running about in the street when you think your safe. Not saying this out of anger or anything Im just trying to explain that I (HAVE) been trying to get to the track but weather in Florida isnt always (nice) thus Ive yet to run.

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
1. I know this and this is the 2nd time I agree, Ive gone out to the track 2 times already just to get rained out. Mind you the nearest track here is an hour away.

2. I do consider NSX's fast AND handeling.

3. I have nothing against GSR's at all. Since I must repeat myself my friend has a GSR Integra that runs about the same or faster than me with 50 shot of NOS. 75 and we would win. My point against the CL type S is thats its a sports sedan but no low 13 car.

4. My FD has cost me 12k the way it sits. And you consider low 14's fast for 6k??

5. I know a shitload of Honduhs!! that would beat me too. Yet are they complete cars not gutted to shit and no a/c or ps?? Very few and in between are street Civics or Honduh's that can do this. + the twisties.

#1 - Well until you actually run at the track don't say what your car could, should or would run... Run the car then come back here and talk. Next oh wawawa, track is an hour away big deal i drive 1 hour 30minutes to get to the track sometimes just for test n tune, I also drive 3 hours to go to maplegrove, 5 hours to go to mir, 7 hours to go to vmp, 16 hours to go to rt66... So don't complain about an hour.

#2 - One minute you say mid 13's are slow then you say and NSX is fast.... and who the hell cares about twisties??? Is there something timing how quick you go through the twisties??? Is there rules to racing in the twisties?? What are the guidelines?? If you wanna talk handing bring it to a real road race track, then post some lap times and compare them to the M owners then see whos talking, Next 80% of people either car about 1/4 mile or Road Racing, and i'd say 95% of honda owners either car about 1 or the other, reason being is they are 2 totally different setups, like example my car would prolly pull better lap times when I had a 180whp then now with 400whp. So don't go talk about racing in a straight line the start with the gay crap bring it to the twisties. Especially since 99% of twisties are 1 lane roads, so even if the car behind was faster then the car in front there would be no place to pass and the car in front could sit there and say they were faster while the car in back could be on and off the gas to keep from rearending the person. So please come back and argue when you have some real life racing experience either at the 1/4 mile or Road Course

#3 - Now all the sudden you have nothing against's GSR's ?? You are aware that GSR's are HonDUH's right??? Something a minute ago you claimed were all slow unless it was a NSX.... So basically you are calling your own car slow... good choice of words

#4 - Ok very good, your car cost 12k the way it sits, and for another 6k into the Civic which would now give you the same 12k car. You would have a mid to low 11second Civic... So yea... if you don't have a clue about a type of car don't talk about it cause you look silly... Or if you wanted I could take the other 6k, spend 3k on speed and 3k on handling and have a car that would still beat you in the 1/4 mile and beat you at a road course. Another example my friends GTI, including Car, New Paint Job, Chromemoly Rollbar, cost him 11,500... The runs 10.77 @ 132mph...

#5 - Well first off alot of Honduhs didn't even come with ac or power steering from the factory... but yes there are some that are quite fast. For example that Civic that ran 10.97 @ 129, and raped my ass plenty of time has ac, power steering, full interior, in dash tv and a system. Of course at the track he removes the sub, and back seats. Also that CRX i raced had full interior, and power steering and ac. Same thing like my car I can't run AC because the turbo is in the way. The way I look at it is.. If you care about AC, you don't wanna go fast. Next a minute ago also all honduh's where slow but now you know alot of them that can beat you?? Can't get your facts straight???

Twin, how old are you?

1. Ok for the 54353459 time I've gone to the track over 2 times to get rained. Ok telling me the same thing 2356 times on the same day is not going to do anything.

2. When did I say Mid 13's was slow?? If you want some road racing Ive done that and Ive only been behind 3 seconds behind a stock 2003 M3. So theres that for the twisties. Wait wait AND I can do the 1/4 faster than most cars?? WAIT 2 things in one car?!??!

3. I'm well aware GSR's are Honduh. So to repeat myself AGAIN if that 99% of the people with Civics or Accord have them on fart cans and then they go trying M owners or Me, or any car that is obviously faster. WHY?? If you have a fast Honduh congrats!! You actually went against the NORM and decided to show people that the car can go fast (WHICH I KNOW). Yet Ive yet to run into one and when I do I'll say "Nice car man" and have a chat with the guy.

4.Howd GTI get into this?? w/e Nothing against them either. 3k more and I have a 10 second car your point?? Any RX-7 owner goes non-sequential and it lives nearly anything standing still with 1.3 liters. wait wait its not fair its rotary. Spare me the drama. BTW an Integra shop here Im friends with the guy btw. He has spent 10k in handeling and he is only 1 or 2 seconds better than your new M3. So 3k in handeling??

5. Explained in part 3. Yes I know some are fast but MOST are slow.

20? Why going to flame me for this too?

Not at all, I was just curious. Life experience and track experience can sometimes play hand in hand with one another.

I take it you've never run any car you have owned at the track ever?

Have you ever gone to spectate/watch drag races at the track?

Ive gone to 5 track events (all v-8s) at Moroso. Ive run my 56 454 3 times at the track. Admit first time was a shitty 12 second run (horrible launch) later that day got a 10.56 I almost shit my self of the speed. The 56's is my dad and I's project car. Oh ya its a 454 but its bored to 502.

I take it the 56 is drag prepped, solid rear axle, some gears, slick or DR's, etc...?

4.54 gearing (madness), Full roll cage. Solid rear 12 bolt Posi. Michey Tomphsons slicks. Ummmm rear axel aslo has torsion bars to get the power to the pavement. Ya its pretty much only drag but its got power steering and we can get probably 100 miles on a fuel cell of race gas. When we take it in the street we NEVER race we just go to shows and enjoy getting looks from the exhuast and the cam.

BTW my Dad runs better he got a 10.42 out of it.

Sounds cool, what was the trap speeds?

Auto tranny? TH400?

Correct 4 speed. Can we say no high speed?? With a trans brake

You recall what they were? :dunno The traps, that is?

I beleive I got a trap of 130. Near or around there depending where I would hit the NOS and how hot the tires wear.

I'd think you'd want to hit the bottle in 2nd gear with an auto and those gears....

Ya thats what I normally did 1st would go by toooo quick for me to even notice it. When I realize 2nd is in there I nail it buts its usually mid RPM range. Auto is the popular thing in old shoebox V-8's at least hte TH400. Ive rarely seen anyone with maual but there are always those finding the different rout.

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
4.54 gearing (madness), Full roll cage. Solid rear 12 bolt Posi. Michey Tomphsons slicks. Ummmm rear axel aslo has torsion bars to get the power to the pavement. Ya its pretty much only drag but its got power steering and we can get probably 100 miles on a fuel cell of race gas. When we take it in the street we NEVER race we just go to shows and enjoy getting looks from the exhuast and the cam.

Oh my bad its got ladder bars not torsion bars *knocks self on the head*

I have a buddy with a replica Cobra, with a 4 spd manual. When it had a 460 he was running low 10's on slicks, but he's in the middle of putting a 514 in there now, he wants single digits...

But launching that thing is an artform. Even on slicks on a prepped track surface, it's like driving a Mustang GT (with no traction controal) on a rain-slicked road...

Originally posted by SilverStreak
I have a buddy with a replica Cobra, with a 4 spd manual. When it had a 460 he was running low 10's on slicks, but he's in the middle of putting a 514 in there now, he wants single digits...

But launching that thing is an artform. Even on slicks on a prepped track surface, it's like driving a Mustang GT (with no traction controal) on a rain-slicked road...

Cobra like the famoust COBRA COBRA. How much that car weigh?? 2800lbs?? I know their light right??

Originally posted by TwinRotor/Turbo
1. Ok for the 54353459 time I've gone to the track over 2 times to get rained. Ok telling me the same thing 2356 times on the same day is not going to do anything.

2. When did I say Mid 13's was slow?? If you want some road racing Ive done that and Ive only been behind 3 seconds behind a stock 2003 M3. So theres that for the twisties. Wait wait AND I can do the 1/4 faster than most cars?? WAIT 2 things in one car?!??!

3. I'm well aware GSR's are Honduh. So to repeat myself AGAIN if that 99% of the people with Civics or Accord have them on fart cans and then they go trying M owners or Me, or any car that is obviously faster. WHY?? If you have a fast Honduh congrats!! You actually went against the NORM and decided to show people that the car can go fast (WHICH I KNOW). Yet Ive yet to run into one and when I do I'll say "Nice car man" and have a chat with the guy.

4.Howd GTI get into this?? w/e Nothing against them either. 3k more and I have a 10 second car your point?? Any RX-7 owner goes non-sequential and it lives nearly anything standing still with 1.3 liters. wait wait its not fair its rotary. Spare me the drama. BTW an Integra shop here Im friends with the guy btw. He has spent 10k in handeling and he is only 1 or 2 seconds better than your new M3. So 3k in handeling??

5. Explained in part 3. Yes I know some are fast but MOST are slow.

Well
#1 - Obviously not cause your sig still says 12.6 estimated...

#2 - Well you said my friends M3 who went 13.86 @ 99.12 bone stock and lost to a GSR swap was slow... and you said swaps that run low 14's high 13's are slow... so didn't know that another .3 of a second would cross the line from SLOW till FAST. But I shoulda figured it would be something stupid like that the way you argue. Next E46 M3's are actually worse handling then E36 M3's.... Next if you had any clue how much 3 seconds on a road course is then you wouldn't say you were that close, unless of couse it was like the nurnburgring. Really you can do the 1/4 mile faster then most cars??? How do you know ?? You don't know what your car runs in the 1/4 mile... and if you think low 13's is faster then most cars then your sorely mistaken. Maybe faster then most honda's yes... But less bring in Supras, LS1's, 03 Cobra, Viper, Z06's, DSM's, all of my friends cars. But I guess it would determine your idea of "Most". If I wanted handling and speed I'd by a used Z06... and spank your ass in the 1/4 mile and at the Roadcourse... and i'd be bone stock.

#3 - Really 3k, you have a 10second rx7 LMAO.. then why doesn't everyone and there brother have a 10second rx7 if all it takes is $5,000 ??? Please spare me the bullshit internet racer theory's... And don't bring in it's only 1.3liter crap if you don't want me to say it's a rotary... plus the fact you are twin turbo.

#4 - Obviously your friend can't drive or didn't buy the right stuff, cause back like 3-4years ago the Type-R was the second best handling car behind the E36 M3 in the price range. So if you take a car that handles bone stock, you get some good R Compund Tires, and some suspension tweaks... And rember just like drag racing... The car can only do so much there's still a driver

#5 - Perhaps when you actually prove your car is fast you'll meet people with other fast cars... cause I know all the people I am friends with all have cars that run 12.4's and faster... and there pretty much all VW's, Honda's and DSM

Hey btw my dad just got his girlfriend aka future wife a 68 GT Mustang. Aka Elanour. (however you spell it). Its been one of hell of a restoration but its going to be complete street. Were pulling out the big block cobra jet for a 5.3 so we can handel AND fly. That car isnt fair it weighs only 2850lbs with a V-8 Thats my FD with me in it :(.

His Cobra weighs about 2300 lbs... 2475 lbs with him in it and fuel...

1. Im not going to change my shit for you.
2. Supras, LS1's, 03 Cobra, Viper, Z06's, DSM's Woops forgot their all under 12k. DUH! .3 or more in 1/4 does make a difference its even if you dont change the car. Driver and launch.
3.Twin turbo is actually worst than a single. The stock twins are 10 years old and 10 year old technology. A new T-78 and your nailing nearly any car all for under 5k. + car cost.
4.He owns a dam shop. 10k of suspension and your BETTER than a 2003 M3?? Thats bad??
5. I mean people in town (street etc). Yes I also "know" alot of people with fast cars. C32 AMG Remtech Tuned Owns me, ummm 2003 SVT Cobra owns me. Yes my friends have fast car soo? Point is?

Help Im on fire with FLAME!!

:flamethro :b_hot

Twinrotor, you are the most arrogant person i have ever seen on a forum. Just to let you know....3 seconds is actually quite a long time. And most likely you were on a scca solo2 or something course which makes it more pathetic since they are short courses. So....in short you have no experience and talk a lot of trash to honda's. Just because someone cant afford to drop 12k on a car and then have to modify it doesn't mean you have to be a bitch about it. I can line up many races for you and honda's in KS just to shut your ass up. Big deal your car comes (moderatly) fast. For cheaper i have a friend with a 95 ls integra that would smoke your ass on any dragstrip or roadcourse. Why don't you go crawl in a hole and do the world a favor.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
His Cobra weighs about 2300 lbs... 2475 lbs with him in it and fuel...

NOT FAIR NOT FAIR
WEIGHT IS YOUR ENEMY!

Yawn tired of Flame night guys. Wait then I bet you'll find someone that can beat my Bel Air.

Alright, this one has become flame bait. It's done... let it go, fellas, keep it civil, and don't drag this crap into other threads.