<p><font size="3"><strong>Summer Active Autowerke Supercharger Blowout! <br> </strong><font size="1">Ends 11:59 PST on August 7, 2003</font></font></p><p><font size="3"><strong>Group Buy Extended until August 14!</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3"><img src="http://www.m3motorwerks.com/images/aascgb.jpg"></font></strong></p><p>You've got a beautiful car with legendary handling, amazing looks, and a driving experience that's nothing less than sensational. But damnit, you keep getting outrun. Not anymore -- buy an AA Supercharger in the month of July and BLOW the competition out of the water. (Not to mention you'll get to listen to that kickass blower whine! ;))</p><p><strong><font size="3">All AA Supercharger Kits come with everything you need:</font></strong></p><ul> <li>Revolutionary new, compact design supercharger </li> <li>8 PSI boost </li> <li>Special uni-belt with additional rollers </li> <li>Front mounted intercooler to keep the power high </li> <li>Front mounted oil cooler. The supercharger has it's own separate oil system with reservoir </li> <li>6 high flow injectors </li> <li>Bypass valve </li> <li>Mandrel bent tubing </li> <li>High temperature hoses with clamps </li> <li>K&amp;N air filter </li> <li>All installation hardware included </li> <li>Dyno tweaked software included </li> <li>Warranty on Supercharger Parts</li> <li>1 year/unlimited mileage </li> <li>CD Installation guideline with pictures </li> <li>Technical support included </li></ul><p>For more information on AA Supercharger kits, head to: <a href="http://www.aatuning.com/supercharged/default.asp">http://www.aatuning.com/supercharged/default.asp</a></p><p><strong><font size="3">Pricing and Application Guide</font></strong></p><table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"> <tr bgcolor="#333333"> <td><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2"><strong>Vehicle Model</strong></font></td> <td><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Vehicle Years</font></td> <td><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">New HP</font></td> <td><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">List Price</font></td> <td><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Our Price (5+ buyers)</font></td> <td><font color="#FFFFFF" size="2">Our Price (10+ buyers)</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E36 325i OBD I</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">93-95</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">314 BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,800</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,299</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,199</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E36 328i OBD II</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">96-98</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">322 BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,695</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,749</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,649</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E36 M3 OBD I</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">95</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">355+ BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,695</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,749</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,649</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E36 M3 OBD II </font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">96-99</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">355+ BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,695</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,749</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,649</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E36 MZ3 OBD II</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">98-00</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">367 BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,695</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,749</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,649</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">Z3 2.8L</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">96-98</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">322 BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,695</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,749</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$4,649</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E46 330i</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">01-03</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">335-340 BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$6,500</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,649</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,549</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E46 328i </font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">99-00</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">320+ BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$6,500</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,649</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,549</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E46 325i </font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">01+</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">320 BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,995</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,195</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,095</font></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000"> <td bgcolor="#000000"><strong><font color="#FFFFFF" size="1">E46 323i</font></strong></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">99+</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">300+ BHP</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,995</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,195</font></td> <td><font color="#e9e9e9" size="1">$5,095</font></td> </tr></table><p><strong><em><font color="#FF0000">NOTE: Prices are for TOTAL Supercharges purchased, not number of each individual model.</font></em></strong> </p><p><strong><font size="3">How this Sale Works:</font></strong></p><ol> <li>We're going to assume that at least 5 kits will be sold, so orders will be placed one-by-one with AA who will drop-ship directly to you as soon as your kit is available (lead time is generally 4-5 weeks).</li> <li>If you purchase a kit at the 5+ price point and we end up with 10 buyers total, you'll receive a refund for the difference.</li> <li>For this group purchase, we'll accept the following payment methods: <ul> <li>Personal Check (please allow 7 business days to clear)</li> <li>Money Order / Cashier's Check</li> <li>Credit Card via PayPal <font size="1"><br> (NOTE: Normally we process credit cards directly, but as an unfortunate consequence of being a new business, our credit card processing firm limits our transaction totals to roughly $2,000 per order, certainly not enough for a kit. As such, if you wish to pay with credit card, we must request that you do so using PayPal. Fortunately, it's completely secure and totally free, not to mention VERY easy to use! :)) </font> </li> </ul> </li></ol><p><strong><font size="3">Ready to Buy?</font></strong></p><p>Normally, we just give you directions on how to buy and update you via e-mail. However, because you'll be making such a large purchase, we'd really like to be sure that all your questions are answered and that you get the PERSONAL attention you deserve. As such, <strong>when you're ready to order, please give us a call at 404.429.3526</strong> so we can go over how the transaction will work, how to pay, and determine a lead time for your purchase. This is a BIG purchase, and we're going to take care of you the whole way.</p><p> <strong>Questions?</strong> Contact information is right in the signature! :)</p><font size=2><b>P.S. Your supercharger is waiting:</b></font><BR><img src="http://www.m3motorwerks.com/images/groupbuys/intercoolers.jpg">

Im not buying one, YET, but I have to say Micah is a great person to work with and I would trust him and know that he will take care of you because he did me and I was only spending a couple hundred with him. So free bump to Micah for his awesome service.

:alright Sweeeeeeeeet. Thanks, my man!

damit dammit dammit...

Of all the times to buy a house....man

:(

I have to agree. Micah is a very good person to buy from. I have purchased numerous things from him in the past couple months and have been able to become friends with him as well. Excellent customer service, you wont be disappointed. :)

Ohhhhhhhhh myyyyyy!!!!!!!!:chix Temptation is kicking in:evil2

Would love to do it...this is a great price....but after just purchasing GC Race Coilover set up, UUC SSK, Valentine One, and new Kuhmo's I'm tapped out....I guess we'll have to see how that next commission check looks!!

BTW - what is average installation time at a shop on one of these? I usually like to do most of the work myself, but I think this one would be a bit over my shadetree mechanic skills.

Thanks,
MSH

AA recommends 12 hours for the instalation.

Here's what Rey at AA tells me: a GOOD mechanic can do it in 8 hours. An average: 12 hours.

By the way, as I understand it (I've never installed one of these kits myself), it's not terrifically difficult. Essentially, it's "bolt-on." You just take off the old, put on the new. It just so happens there there's a lot of stuff to put on. ;)

Can you tell me why the M3 OBD1 kit is more expensive than the 325 OBD1??

I would think they would be identical.

Because M3 owners are conditioned to pay more for the same stuff.

This is a nice deal; pity the AA kit isn't CARB-approved. 8(

could we run superchargers w/ schrick cams?

AA says the prices are different because the 2 SC kits are completly different. The software, pipes and intercooler and oil cooler are different.

Originally posted by M3Jokster
could we run superchargers w/ schrick cams?

Unfortunately the AA SC will not work with Schrick cams :(.

Originally posted by MeltedButter
AA says the prices are different because the 2 SC kits are completly different. The software, pipes and intercooler and oil cooler are different.

So if I were to get the kit, I would be getting the M3 one??

Assuming you have a M3 thats the one to get :)

hey micah, i have one question? why are you so awesome?

well you already know i'm down for one of these..95 M3. so how's this deal work, do we need 4 more people to buy kits before i can get it for $4749...and i'm assuming $85 shipping?

Andy

Andy, with regards to your first question, well, I can't tell you. Guess my parents and the man upstairs did a good job with me. ;)

Yes, it's $4749 + $85 shipping. You will get the price REGARDLESS of how many are sold, but I'm confident we'll get at least 5 buyers. When you place the order, we let AA know what to build a kit for immediately (no waiting on 4 more people to jump on board) and they start putting it together and ship it out as soon as it's complete.

When you're ready to send in the green stuff, call me! :)

Originally posted by Dinan330ic
So if I were to get the kit, I would be getting the M3 one?? From your name, I'm assuming you've got an OBD I M3 engine in there? If so, yes, the M3 kit is what you'll need to purchase.

i wonder why the 328 kit produces a measley 8 more hp than the 325 does? :confused:

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure. However, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say OBD II is at fault. If you'll notice, there's a .2 liter displacement difference between the OBD I and OBD II M3's, but the power output (in HP, at least) is VERY similar, very nearly identical.

The sitation with the 325 and 328 is basically the same since the 325 shares a block with the OBD I M3 and the 328 shares a block with the OBD II M3.

Hey guys,

that sucks....can't use them w/ my schricks...

I just looked on the AA site...and see that the kit only produces 283.5 WHp and 245.1 tq


M3 E36 1995

195.4 WHP 197.4 Ft/Lbs Stock

283.5 WHP 245.1 Ft/Lbs w/ AA Super charger
Increase: 88.1 WHP 47.7 Ft/Lbs

You'll loose that much through the drivetrain? 355-283.5 = loss of 71.5 hp

I'm still thinking about this.

Are any special tools needed for the install, or can I do this in my garage? Does it come with a full set of instructions?

It does not look like its to hard to put in, I would hate to spend $1200+ on an install that I can do myself.:az:

Originally posted by M3Jokster
Hey guys,

that sucks....can't use them w/ my schricks...

I just looked on the AA site...and see that the kit only produces 283.5 WHp and 245.1 tq


M3 E36 1995

195.4 WHP 197.4 Ft/Lbs Stock

283.5 WHP 245.1 Ft/Lbs w/ AA Super charger
Increase: 88.1 WHP 47.7 Ft/Lbs

You'll loose that much through the drivetrain? 355-283.5 = loss of 71.5 hp
Generally, drivetrain loss is estimated at around 17%. Mustang dynos (what AA uses) produce lower numbers than most dynos. Still, 355 * .83 = 294, not very far off from the WHP number that AA released, so the advertised power numbers are pretty accurate as far as I'm concerned. So yes, drivetrain loss DOES take a big chunk out of the power a car puts down.

Besides, if you want more power, you can always put a smaller pulley on there. :evil2

CABimmer: The kit comes with detailed instructions on CD. You SHOULD be able to do this yourself if you've got a good set of tools and are mechanically competent. Shoot me an e-mail with your address and I'll have AA send you the directions so you can look them over and see if you feel comfortable doing the installation yourself.

Originally posted by CABimmer
I'm still thinking about this.

Are any special tools needed for the install, or can I do this in my garage? Does it come with a full set of instructions?

It does not look like its to hard to put in, I would hate to spend $1200+ on an install that I can do myself.:az:

CABimmer,

You may want to keep an eye on this thread:

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112969

One of the users "Boris" - i believe?? should hopefully be posting his experience/feedback with installation. I'm in the same boat as you and would prefer to do the install myself. I've done a fair amount of work on cars (mainly VW's) so I'm pretty confident unless there is anything super crazy.

MSH

I consider myself pretty good at working on cars and have seen a few SC installed on M3's. It looks like a fairly straightforward installation and from what I understand the instructions you get with the kit are detailed enough for people with a decient amount of skill.

CABimmer: As Micah posted earlier a good machanic should be able to install the kit in 8 hours. So even if you have a professional mechanic install the SC is shouldn't cost more than $700 ( I gave 10 hours at $70 an hour, which is what most mechanics charge in Atlanta) but I think you should be able to take care of it. I'll call AA tomorrow and see what they charge for the instllation.

temped to do the 325 kit while my car is all apart...

Is it worth super charging my 93 325i automatic? it has 70k miles. I dont know how the tranny will hold up.

Originally posted by Lance325is
temped to do the 325 kit while my car is all apart...

The way I look at it is when the car is apart it is the best time to do upgrades :)

Flawless, Supercharging an automatic can't be done. Your transmission will simply fail, and quickly, starting with the torque converter slipping. If you'd like to supercharge your car, you'll need to swap transmissions to a manual.

If the two combine to be cost prohibitive, you might consider upgrading your rear differential which can make a bigger difference than you think in acceleration. Pricing starts around $2000 if you're interested.

I called AA and they say they wouldn't say how long it took to install a SC but instead that they just bill for 12 hours. So, if you decide to take it to be installed 12 hours at $70 an hour = $840, but I don't think I will take that long.

not carb approved huh?

what does this mean for us Cali folks?

It means you should move to a state where they are legal :).
But seriously sorry we can't help you get one.

Originally posted by timmay!
not carb approved huh?

what does this mean for us Cali folks?
Leif is right. Basically, you'll be unable to pass inspection IF a visual is done AND your inspector is particularly stringent. HOWEVER, there are a number of folks in CA with this kit who manage to get around emissions either by rationalizing with the emissions testers (e.g. "Well, it passes the sniffer test, so what's the problem?") or other "unorthodox" means.

You can buy the kit and you can install it, but you're on your own from there.

For the people out in Cali it realy comes down to how bad you want it. If you give 12 hours to install it and 12 hours to take it out (shouldn't take as long to take out) it will be a fun little project you have to do once a year and only take a weekend :D

Would 8psi from the supercharger do ok on my engine. I have 137,XXX miles on her right now.

If the engine is healthy there shouldn't be a problem. If you are not sure of the condition of your engine you might want to have a compression / leakdown test preformed. If everything checks out alright you should be good to go.

If it helps sway anyones decision to buy one of these superchargers....I will install one for $400, provided you come to my shop in Michigan (near Detroit).

PM or e-mail me if interested.

I'm contemplating buying one for my race car, except for the fact that I have Schrick cams in it.
We need more supercharged cars out here!

Good Luck with the sale!

ooooooohhhhhh..... so tempting, but in CA. :(

Originally posted by EMC
If it helps sway anyones decision to buy one of these superchargers....I will install one for $400, provided you come to my shop in Michigan (near Detroit).

PM or e-mail me if interested.

I'm contemplating buying one for my race car, except for the fact that I have Schrick cams in it.
We need more supercharged cars out here!

Good Luck with the sale!

EMC, thats real nice of you, and a great deal for anyone who lives in the Michigan area. If installation was only $400 I would probably pay someone to do it. I can check and find out why the SC doesn't work with Schrick cams (I'm sure its because of the software) and let everyone know.

You could also sell the cams to help pay for the SC :)

hey alpha,

i'm in sorrento valley...we gotta find somebody that will smog us!

Just for comparison sake, not that I am a bench racer, if I were to install a SC, what kind of numbers should I expect? (0-60, 1/4)

micah -

what do you expect to be the delivery time (approx.), once payment is made?

thx

Originally posted by EMC
If it helps sway anyones decision to buy one of these superchargers....I will install one for $400, provided you come to my shop in Michigan (near Detroit).

Hmmm, anyone can do that in MN? :)

Alex, do it yourself!!!! ;)

Originally posted by ///M3ryder NY
micah -

what do you expect to be the delivery time (approx.), once payment is made?

thx
Around 3-5 weeks -- it really depends on how fast AA assembles the kits since we're doing each one on a one-by-one basis.

ClintonM3: Good question. Honestly, I really don't know for sure of exact times/speeds -- best place to ask would be in the Forced Induction forum. I'm sure plenty of those guys w/ similar setups have done a little testing on their cars. :)

Originally posted by M triple
Alex, do it yourself!!!! ;)

Bob,
I even had the light bulbs installed for me. What makes you think that I can handle a supercharger? :) I would also like to have a piece of mind to be able to blame somebody else if something goes wrong.
:)

Originally posted by WhippedButter


Besides, if you want more power, you can always put a smaller pulley on there. :evil2



Unfortunately, this not true.
The kit has a sticker of some sort that must be broken too replace the pulley, and doing so voids the warranty.
Furthermore, Rotrex has asked AA to dial back the rev limiter from their original 7000 rpm redline to 6800 to protect the unit from damage.
Nonetheless, there are several people in the FI section that have these and they all (especially the M cars) seem to be quite happy.
These prices are near equivilant to the "early bird" offers that AA required people to plunk down a deposit for. Then, the kits were delayed for 3 months or more from shipping, and of course these are ready to ship now.
:)

Originally posted by MeltedButter


Flawless, Supercharging an automatic can't be done. Your transmission will simply fail, and quickly, starting with the torque converter slipping. If you'd like to supercharge your car, you'll need to swap transmissions to a manual.



This is not true. The first 330 that AA put this kit into was an automatic. However, an auto will handle less power than a manual as a rule of thumb.

Here is the dyno link showing output compared to stock:

http://www.aatuning.com/dyno/02_330Ci_vs_02_330Ci_8psiSC.asp



:)

Alex330ci,
Thanks for the info about using the SC on an auto, I was misinformed.

you cant use agressive cams with fi it just wontwork imassuming it advances thetiming more.oh yeh by the way micah is a great guy i bought my h&r race springs from him

Jon Caldito in L.A. offered me last month the installation of an AA SC for a 1996 328iC for $450: jon@mperformance.com

Alex330i: Hmmm...interesting. You very well may be right, but based on my misgivings about forced induction on an automatic, I contacted Rey @ AA to discuss it with him. He said, flat out, "No. Torque converter will fail. Can't do it." This was for an E36 325, so it may be different with the E46's, but my gut feeling is that while it may work initially, the transmission won't hold up to the abuse.

In any case, I'm going to check with Rey @ AA tomorrow and be sure that you're right; it'll allow me to sell more of these. ;)

ok, let's say i did want to pull this thing out once a year to get smogged...

couldn't i leave a bunch of stuff in there to speed up the process?

looking at the picture on this site:
http://www.activeautowerke.com/Supercharged/default.asp

if i just pulled some of the piping to the right out i could put the stock airbox back in and take it in...now, obviously i don't know a too much about these things, but my question is, how much do i really have to take off to get it to run with the stock airbox.

also, can i get a boost controller and lower the boost when i smog?

thanks.

Hey, not a bad idea!

Wonder if us CA folk could do up a 'quick release' kind of kit - say, just a 3-4 hour job to pull the blower and 1-2 topside pipes... it's too bad AA doesn't do the ecu flash a la shark injector.

sure would be nice to not have to deal with CARB and 91 octane :(



Originally posted by timmay!
ok, let's say i did want to pull this thing out once a year to get smogged...

couldn't i leave a bunch of stuff in there to speed up the process?

looking at the picture on this site:
http://www.activeautowerke.com/Supercharged/default.asp

if i just pulled some of the piping to the right out i could put the stock airbox back in and take it in...now, obviously i don't know a too much about these things, but my question is, how much do i really have to take off to get it to run with the stock airbox.

also, can i get a boost controller and lower the boost when i smog?

thanks.

No, you can't use a boost controller on a supercharger. Those only work for turbos. Also, you'd have to remove the top tubing, sc, injectors and programming for the car to run normally and pass smog. If you're going to go that far, you might as well pull the rest off so the smog guy doesn't look and see the intercooler and nail you to the wall.

It's either find some smog guy who will look the other way for some cash, or not get the kit...

i already have done an ecu upgrade (chip) and it only takes about 20 minutes...so i wouldn't mind doing that part.

would you really need to pull the injectors?

as for the intercooler and what-not...i was going to tell the guy that i regularly do a sc for event weekends, and that i leave some of the stuff on to speed up the process...but that i was in stock/daily driver mode most of the time :dunno

i want this thing...

i'm gonna call some shops around so-cal a little later...anybody know of any down mechanics in SD/socal???

Are they really that strict out in Cali, you can't have a intercoller in the car even if there is no SC or TC :(

Are they really that strick out in Cali, you can't have a intercoller in the car even if there is no SC or TC

that's what i'm saying:buttrock

how could that be?

i want 350 hp too

Originally posted by timmay!
i already have done an ecu upgrade (chip) and it only takes about 20 minutes...so i wouldn't mind doing that part.

would you really need to pull the injectors?

as for the intercooler and what-not...i was going to tell the guy that i regularly do a sc for event weekends, and that i leave some of the stuff on to speed up the process...but that i was in stock/daily driver mode most of the time :dunno

i want this thing...

i'm gonna call some shops around so-cal a little later...anybody know of any down mechanics in SD/socal???

Timmay!
That is a good idea and I don't see why they wouldn't let you do that. The only other thing I can think of is tell them you trailer the car to the track that way you didn't break any laws :devillook.

yup, yup...
trailer for sure...i take california's environmental protection very seriously

alright, looks like i'm going to have to get a little more serious on my research now.

if anybody has any more info about what i've proposed here, or any other ideas to get us beating porsche's and not having to worry about turbo'd neons out in cali anymore, they would be greatly appreciated...

i'm going to call around a little and see what i can see...i'll let you guys know

:redspot

I tried calling the cali DMV to see if you can have a intercooler as long as your not running a SC or TC. I didn't get ahold of them so I'm waiting to here back from them I sent an email asking about it.

Guys, your best bet is to speak with the DMV -- Leif and I, while we try to be helpful, really don't know the laws in Cali (we're Georgia boys, ya know?). Speak with them directly with specific questions and you should be able to get a direct answer.

Another option may be to discuss some of these points with an enthusiast crowd that commonly "skirts" the laws, such as a the turbo Honda crowd, etc.

Well, I've tried getting ahold of the Cali DMV with no luck :( So for the people out in Cali you should probably go to a inspection station and ask the attendent working if you can leave some parts on the car for the inspection. I asked other people out in Cali with the AA SC how they got past emissions and they say they remove everything for the test or go to a place that they can pay the attendent to ignore the SC. I think the safest thing to do would be remove the SC for the test, its only a weekend project. At least you guys only have to pass emissions once every two years, people in Georgia have to pass every year.

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Alex330i: Hmmm...interesting. You very well may be right, but based on my misgivings about forced induction on an automatic, I contacted Rey @ AA to discuss it with him. He said, flat out, "No. Torque converter will fail. Can't do it." This was for an E36 325, so it may be different with the E46's, but my gut feeling is that while it may work initially, the transmission won't hold up to the abuse.

In any case, I'm going to check with Rey @ AA tomorrow and be sure that you're right; it'll allow me to sell more of these. ;)

I didn't mean any offense - just posting what I knew!
Good luck with your sale - it's an excellent opportunity!

Originally posted by Alex330ci
I didn't mean any offense - just posting what I knew!
Good luck with your sale - it's an excellent opportunity!

Alex,
Don't worry about offending Micah, I've tried and it can't be done :).

Also, I just called AA and the SC'ers will work on automatic transmissions on E46's :) but not E36's :(.

Micah & Leif,

I will be ordering the AA SC for my MZ3 from you all @ the end of this month (pay day). Quick question...what kind of clutch are you all recommending for use with the AA SC? I don't think my stock clutch will be able to handle the SC for long. I also don't want to dish out $900 + install for the AA clutch. I'll probably have to buy tranny reinforcements (sp?) as well.

Anyway, TIA!!

-Charles

I've checked with some people in Cali who have a non-CARB SC and most of them say the easiest way to get through the inspection is to pay off the inspector. Of course we at M3 Motorwerks don't recommend breaking the law :devillook. Go to a few track events and car club gatherings and ask around, you will get all the information you need about inspections.

Great, glad to hear it! :) If you're going to go ahead and replace your clutch, you might as well put a lightweight flywheel in there.

My recommendation would be a UUC Stage II Lightweight flywheel (8.5lbs) combined with the E34 M5 clutch kit which will be more than enough to handle the power/torque you'll be putting down with the AA SC. Plus, you'll have the added bonus of a quicker revving engine, and therefore, boost coming on quicker. :) And you'll get easier rev matching and less rotating mass which is equal to a fairly significant weight reduction in the lower gears.

If you're interested, give us a call and I'll personally see if I can swing you a special package price for the S/C, fly, and clutch all together. :)

How soon before the M3 Kit comes out?

Originally posted by Elusive Designs
How soon before the M3 Kit comes out?

I assume your talking about the E46 kit. I'll call and check in the morning :).

Most Police in Cali (San Diego) will not harrass you if you drive a BMW. What gets their attention are the rice out honda,nissan,toy,mis, etc... If you have a fat ass intercooler sitting in front of your bumper, then you are asking for trouble.

As for smog/inspection you are right in Cali we only do it every 2 years. If you purhase a brand new car, you get a pass for 4 years. Then start at every 2 year (bi yearly).

Yes, you would need to removed ALL trace of the SC on your car. This only apply if you go to a shop that strict on the rules. Most of the time, you just visit those mom and pop smog check/repair place. They don't really give a rat ass, as long you pass the sniffer. To most San Diegian that would be South San Diego (Chula Vista, National City, City Heights, etc) aka the ghetto. If you were to take your car to La Jolla or Clairmont area then get ready to have the tech REALLY inspect your car.

Now after your 2nd 2 year or you hit the Smog Lottery. They required you to take your car into a SMOG ONLY. They are more expensive and the Smog Tech is a pain in the butt. Because they can get really nosy about what you have in your car.

If you get caught with a illegal SC. The officer can take possess of your car on the spot and have it towed. It would cost you $1500 for the fine, then between $300-$600 to get your car out. If its the weekend your screw. You can not drive the car out of the lot, you MUST have it towed to your house/apartment/condo. You must NOT drive the car and if they caught you driving with the SC. They will file a petition with DMW to have your car destory (would like car cube w/ your coke :D) and if you still making payments of the car, you are still liable for the whole loan .. OUCH!!!!!

After you removed the SC, then you must take your car to State Inspection station and have them certify and sign off on your ticket (asking your local PD to do will not work).

I hope I have covered to the best of my knowledge.

Happy SC. :D

One of my friends has a PO Box type address at a Mailboxes etc. type place in Oregon and registers his cars there. You only re-register once every two years and there is NO smog check.

There is always an easier way around things like this. I wouldn't let these laws scare you away from buying a part for your car. It's when you act totally irresponsible and drive with purple headlights and neon on........thats when the cops single you out.

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Great, glad to hear it! :) If you're going to go ahead and replace your clutch, you might as well put a lightweight flywheel in there.

My recommendation would be a UUC Stage II Lightweight flywheel (8.5lbs) combined with the E34 M5 clutch kit which will be more than enough to handle the power/torque you'll be putting down with the AA SC. Plus, you'll have the added bonus of a quicker revving engine, and therefore, boost coming on quicker. :) And you'll get easier rev matching and less rotating mass which is equal to a fairly significant weight reduction in the lower gears.

If you're interested, give us a call and I'll personally see if I can swing you a special package price for the S/C, fly, and clutch all together. :)

Thanks for the info! Will probably have to upgrade the fly & clutch later. Another thing, I will have the Underdrive Pulleys from UUC installed in my car. The belts used for the SC may not be long enough for the UDPs. Should I scrap the UDPs altogether or could AA provide me a set of longer belts.

Thanks again.

Unfortunately, the pulleys have to go altogether. :(

Micah, and just why do the UUC UDPs have to go? i have these on my car right now.

I'm in the same boat - I have to get rid of mine too - oh well - they weren't worth a damn anyways....

Micah - I've been trying to call you to place my order - I keep getting your answer machine - are you guys not in today?

Andy & Mike: UPD's have to go because the AA S/C uses different sized belts that won't mate up with the UPD's. Besides, I'm SURE you can suffer the loss of 4 hp for the gain of 110 hp. ;)

Mike: Just ran outta the office to send out 30 Rear Shock Mounts to my customers! I'm gonna give you a call in just a sec. :D

i'm not clear on what you mean by different sized belts...it can't be width because the UDP belt is the same width as the factory belt. length wise doesn't exactly seem like a real problem to me, all you'd have to do is get a slightly longer belt to fit with the over sized pulleys. unless there is some other issue that is known, i still don't see any real problem here. my point being, the UDPs reduce drag on the motor, and centrifigal blowers add a lot of drag. anywhere that the drag can be reduced is going to up the efficiency of the blower itself. please correct me if i'm wrong.

Andy: You were right, and I was wrong. It doesn't happen often, but I'll certainly admit to it when it does. :) You CAN run the UUC pulleys with the AA SC. We just need to determine pulley size and fit an appropriate (longer) belt to it. When you order, just remind me that you're using the pulleys and we can match you with the right sized belt.

Mike, I'm going to go ahead and get an appropriately sized belt for you as well. :)

Cool!!! That's one less thing for me to deal with during installation.

Please be sure the belt size is for the UUC underdrive pulleys.

Thanks Micah - Check goes to FedEx tomorrow during lunch!

oops.. clicked the button twice

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Andy: You were right, and I was wrong. It doesn't happen often, but I'll certainly admit to it when it does. :) You CAN run the UUC pulleys with the AA SC. We just need to determine pulley size and fit an appropriate (longer) belt to it. When you order, just remind me that you're using the pulleys and we can match you with the right sized belt.

Mike, I'm going to go ahead and get an appropriately sized belt for you as well. :)

Aaaahhhh NOOOO! I just told the guy who ordered and was going to install my UUC UDPs to cancel the order. Schnikes!!

He called AA and asked if they would fit. They said no. Who to believe now?

Also, I will be sending you guys a check @ the end of the month. Hopefully 10 people order so I (We) can get a hundred bucks back.

:( My apologies. It's interesting -- I've actually received conflicting orders from within AA too. Rey says it's fine, you just need a different belt; someone else said it won't work -- not sure who.

In any case, I trust Rey quite a bit (great guy, that one) so if you'd like, I can do a special deal for you on those pulleys since it was my initial misinformation that led to your cancellation of the order. Give us a call if you'd like a set and I'll give you private pricing.

Originally posted by WhippedButter
:( My apologies. It's interesting -- I've actually received conflicting orders from within AA too. Rey says it's fine, you just need a different belt; someone else said it won't work -- not sure who.

In any case, I trust Rey quite a bit (great guy, that one) so if you'd like, I can do a special deal for you on those pulleys since it was my initial misinformation that led to your cancellation of the order. Give us a call if you'd like a set and I'll give you private pricing.


Thanks Micah! But 1st let me see if my buddy can reverse the cancel order instruction tomorrow morning. It may not be too late.

Well...one thing I know for sure is that you do take care of your customers. And I appreciate that!

Will let you know mañana.

Thanks again.
:clap:

No biggie. Check with your buddy tomorrow -- keep it in the family, so to speak. :D If he can't do it for you, I will.

And yes, I like to take care of my customers. They are, after all, giving me their money, and I take that very seriously.

Originally posted by Elusive Designs
How soon before the M3 Kit comes out?

Sorry, No word on when they will have the kit together.

Micah,

sent you email...have some ???'s for ya...

Im almost positive this kit will work with shrick cams because I have been looking in to this kit, I have talked to Karl and Ray about it and they know I have Shrick cams because I had my car tunned by them down there.

anyone know if AA has been able to resolve the "black box" issue?

What is the "black box" issue?

how many kits have been sold so far?

I too would like to know the deal about the black box issue.

Second, the UUC Pulley (for example, as well as Rogue) do not underdrive the pulley. The UUC actually lightens the pulley, not changing the size...so in theory its dimensionally the same as the stock size. The Crank and A/C aren't altered either. So the only 2 pulleys to worry about are the Power Steering and Water Pump.

So in theory, these are the 2 pulleys we would need different sized belts for?


Also, how many kits have been sold. I was considering going the RMS Stage 2 route, and then AA Software for it. I'm in love with AA's kit, just not sure If I want to get a kit that just has no upgradability to it.

Besides, I deff want an intercooler...cause, well I've been taken for a ride in a Stage 1 with a Stage 2 intercooler and larger injectors (essentially a stage 2) and a purge shot of Nitrous. It screamed w/o the Nitrous, and was down in the low 12s (12.2-12.4) and with the Nitrous it was in the 11s.

Now a proper Stage 2 RMS kit, with AA Tuning to get the software perfect...w/o the Nitrous would be perfect. But the AA Kit is probably be much more affordable at the end...

Decisions...DEcisions.

3 kits have been sold at this time.

The black box issue was a problem with the HFM that's been resolved with this version of the kit. It's no longer an issue.

Once again, a new answer has risen regarding pulleys and the ability to use them with this kit. KEEP READING.

carcrazed: You're correct to an extent. The entire means by which an underdrive pulley works is an increased pulley diameter and to some degree lightening of the pulley.

Specifically, the UUC pulley changes the diameter of the of the power steering pulley and water pump pulley, but not the alternator pulley (its weight is simply reduced).

That said, you can't use the UUC pulleys with the AA S/C. Even though the S/C is crank driven, the different belt length(s) required by the UUC pulleys increases the operating RPM's of the AA S/C at any given engine speed. As such, the AA S/C will spin beyond it's maximum warrantyable speed, causing several issues:

1. Your S/C's warranty will be void.
2. Your S/C will likely fail, if not right a way, much sooner than a normal lifespan.
3. Your engine will be damaged since the AA software doesn't account for the additional boost produced by the S/C in these conditions. It's likely you could kill it altogether.

In short, the UUC pulleys ARE NOT a good idea with the AA S/C. They'd be fine IF AA used a different S/C capable of the higher RPM's and accounted for the extra boost with software, but they do not.

In any case, there's not a significant amount of power to be gained with the pulleys. I guess you guys will just have to save the $185 and "suffer" with 5-9whp less. ;)

you guys may have noticed my departure from the sc convo...

...that's because i rear-ended this dumb :boobies and now must buy a front bumper and other BS...no where near as fun as forced induction purchases, let me tell you...

but anywho, i'm poking my head back in to offer to buy somebody's used pulley set once they go with FI. i'm not sure of my alternator brand, so i'd have to check to make sure your set would fit my car, but let me know guys!

also, if you m3motorwerks.com guys want to offer me a deal on some front plastic, let me know :D

(only half kidding)

later, and i'm jealous of you all that end up with this kit...

Originally posted by timmay!
you guys may have noticed my departure from the sc convo...

...that's because i rear-ended this dumb :boobies and now must buy a front bumper and other BS...no where near as fun as forced induction purchases, let me tell you...

but anywho, i'm poking my head back in to offer to buy somebody's used pulley set once they go with FI. i'm not sure of my alternator brand, so i'd have to check to make sure your set would fit my car, but let me know guys!

also, if you m3motorwerks.com guys want to offer me a deal on some front plastic, let me know :D

(only half kidding)

later, and i'm jealous of you all that end up with this kit...

Sorry to hear about your car :(. As for as the front plastic goes we don't really stock any of stock stuff, but i can look around and see what I can come up with. Email me the list of parts you need.

Man those M3Motorwerks guys are great!! :clap:

yes, yes they are!

i probably wasn't going to go stock...

i need a bumper, all of the bumper accessories, like foglights and mesh...

and the metal body piece that goes around the grill up to the hood and under the headlights.

here's a pic of my car's black eye (kinda dark, sorry):

http://216.118.86.224/gallery/data/501/6981after1.jpg

thanks guys, you're off the hook.

Tim, I BELIEVE you meant "off the heezy for sheezy my neezy." I mean, really, "off the hook" is just so passe. GET WITH THE TIMES, MAN! ;)

On a more serious note, honestly, I'd be remiss to sell you the OEM parts you need. My price on that stuff is honestly only mediocre (for the time being -- soon we make have access to smoking hot pricing), so your best bet is still www.pacificbmw.com for OEM replacement parts.

But you need aftermarket, we got aftermarket. You need Rolex, I got Rolex, I got Bulgari, I got Cartier, I got...I, uh, mean, uh....

Crap. I knew I'd slip at some point. Just don't tell nobody, alright? :D

what kind of gains will we see with a AA Track Pipe along with the supercharger?

Sorry, it took so long for me to reply. It all depends on what car you are putting the SC and track pipe on. The track pipe with a SC will give about 15-20 more HP, so add that to what the SC gives :).

Hi,

I have 2 quick questions -

1. How's the software uploaded?

2. What's the normal expected lifespan of the compressor?

TIA

Originally posted by ACS330Ci
Hi,

I have 2 quick questions -

1. How's the software uploaded?

2. What's the normal expected lifespan of the compressor?

TIA

1) You have to send AA your ECU and they upload it for you.

2)With regular service the SC should last forever. AA recommends changing the oil in the SC every 30,000 miles.

Originally posted by WhippedButter


That said, you can't use the UUC pulleys with the AA S/C. Even though the S/C is crank driven, the different belt length(s) required by the UUC p)

How on earth can the belt *length* affect the drive ratio? It's only a function of the ratio of the pulley diameters!

Hey Micah,

I'm FedExing you the check tomorrow to the address you provided me.

How long until my SC arrives from when you cash the check?

Thanks,

Charles

Charles,
I'll have to check with Micah to see when we can get it shipped, but first we have to make sure the check clears :) Hopefully we can have it shipped in a week or two.

RogRacer,
The people at AA are telling us two different things, some say the pullies work and others say they don't. I will call them in the morning and get a definite answer for you and everyone else. I personally don't see why there would be a problem with them.

Originally posted by MeltedButter
Charles, I'll have to check with Micah to see when we can get it shipped, but first we have to make sure the check clears :) Hopefully we can have it shipped in a week or two.

Of course you have to wait for the check to clear...and it always does.;)

Thanks Leif. I'll give you guys a call on Friday to make sure you got the check and that everything is copastetic (sp?).

-Charles

Originally posted by RogRacer
How on earth can the belt *length* affect the drive ratio? It's only a function of the ratio of the pulley diameters!

my point exactly, that has also been brought up multiple times. as i mentioned before, belt length plays no part. the only thing that can dictate how fast everything spins is the crank, which remains unchanged. the belt cannot travel any faster, or slower for that matter, then the crank drives it, regardless of length. an accessory UDP affects ONLY the accessory that it is attached to. saying belt length can affect the speed of the compressor is like saying 2 pulleys 12 inches apart spin at a different rate of speed then 2 pulleys 24 inches apart. i for one would like a definite answer to this before i place my order. it seems i've gotten the run around with conflicting answers.

Andy, listen, I'll be honest. I'm not an engineer. I don't even pretend to know all that much about how the pulleys and S/C interact, as I've never done an installation of either myself. I'm just relaying what the folks at AA are telling me, and what I've heard, without a doubt, is "No pullies with the S/C."

That is M3 motorwerks' and AA's final recommendation, but if you don't see a reason why it'd be a problem, it's always your choice to put the pullies on. Contact AA directly if you like, and see what they say. I'm going to see if I can get Rey from AA to post here and explain the problem since I can't seem to do it clearly.

I'm not an expert (yet) on some subjects. I'm a guy who loves these cars, a guy that's offering products that people want and giving a great price with superb service. So is Leif. We're learning as I go, so bear with us here.

We might not have ALL the answers, but we'll certainly help you find the ones you need.

Micah, i'm not out to attack you guys or anything of the sort, or try to discredit you in any way...if i came off to strongly and it seemed that way, i assure you that was not my intention...in all reality, i'll probably end up taking the UDPs off anyways. just reading the last post from Leif (The people at AA are telling us two different things, some say the pullies work and others say they don't. I will call them in the morning and get a definite answer for you and everyone else. I personally don't see why there would be a problem with them.) got me wondering about the whole thing again, like the 2 of you were getting conflicting stories. and all i want is a definite yay or nay from active before i order. i want it to be clear that yes, it will void my warranty if i use them, or no, it won't affect my warranty if i use them. in all physical reality, it should have no bearing, but i guess thats completely up to active.

Originally posted by MeltedButter
1) You have to send AA your ECU and they upload it for you.


Will me being in Germany pose a problem?

Micah/Leif,

Just FedEx'd you all the check.:clap:

Can't wait for the SC to arrive and the fun to begin.:evil2

-Charles

Originally posted by ACS330Ci
Will me being in Germany pose a problem?

There shouldn't be a problem with you being in Germany. Shipping charges will be a little more (I'm not sure how much) but that is the only difficulty I can see.

Charles,
Thanks :)

Micah beat me to AA, the pullies will not work. Sorry guys:(

Originally posted by Andy W
Micah, i'm not out to attack you guys or anything of the sort, or try to discredit you in any way...if i came off to strongly and it seemed that way, i assure you that was not my intention...in all reality, i'll probably end up taking the UDPs off anyways. just reading the last post from Leif (The people at AA are telling us two different things, some say the pullies work and others say they don't. I will call them in the morning and get a definite answer for you and everyone else. I personally don't see why there would be a problem with them.) got me wondering about the whole thing again, like the 2 of you were getting conflicting stories. and all i want is a definite yay or nay from active before i order. i want it to be clear that yes, it will void my warranty if i use them, or no, it won't affect my warranty if i use them. in all physical reality, it should have no bearing, but i guess thats completely up to active.
Andy, I didn't think that you were attacking us at all -- just letting you know where my information was coming from. :)

A couple of questions. I have a 95 M3.

1.) I have an 8/95 build date car. Meaning I have EWS and use a chip. Will I need to send my ECU in for programming or can AA simply include a chip with the kit that will bypass my EWS?

2.) I have ZKW Ellipsoid headlamps. The installation looks really tight. Will the S/C kit fit given the extended depth of the ellipsoid headlamps, especially ZKW's?

3.) I was wondering if sample instructions could be previewed to see how difficult the self install is.

Your assistance is appreciated. Possibly ending with my purchase of a kit. TIA.

Everybody please purchase!! We get a group buy of 10, I get a hundred bucks back. That little bit helps for my installation cost!:D

Originally posted by MFaust
Everybody please purchase!! We get a group buy of 10, I get a hundred bucks back. That little bit helps for my installation cost!:D

Charles is right, eveybody needs to buy one:)

GQ_Style,
AA doesn't release the instructions because they don't want anyone copying them. Go to the FI page ask Boris about the instructions, he has the AA kit and has helped several other people. He might be able to get you a copy of the instructions. For the other two questions, I'll have to get back to you in the morning with the answers.

Also, is there software tuned for California 91 octane gas?? This is critical or else my engine will blow up. Oxygenated 91 is the worst.

Please let me know as well as the other questions.

GQ_Style

yours would come with a chip for a 413 DME. the Active kit does fit with ellipsoids...it is tight but there is enough room for the both of them.

Another quick question about AA reprogramming the ECU. Do DIY'ers have to have a BMW dealer program the car to recognize the "new" ECU after it's installed? The reason I ask is I remember reading posts about people installing the ESS system and then having to have their cars transported to the dealer to do this or the car will not recognize the ECU or start.

Out of the office for the weekend and AA is closed. These are questions they've got to help me answer, so hang in there until Monday! :)

I just put my order in!

how many more for another $100 off?

GQ_Style,
1) With the EWS you don't have to send in your ECU, AA will supply you with the chip you need.

2) It is a tight fit with the ZKW's and the SC but they will both fit.

3) The software is tuned for 91 Octane gas. The only problem is the Cali 91 octane isn't really 91 octane its more like 89.5 octane, so there could be a little pinging under hard driving comditions. There are 4 cars in Cali with the AA kit and none of them have had problems.

ACS330Ci,
When you get your ECU back form AA all you have to do is plug it in and your ready to go.

Fast4d,
Great, I'm glad you jumping in on the deal:). I think we are up to 5 with you, so we need 5 more people to jump in.

This deal is over on Thursday so hurry up and get one at this great price:).

89.5 octane? I hope you're mistaken!



they have switched to ethanol which IMO is better than MTBE.

Originally posted by fast4d
89.5 octane? I hope you're mistaken!



they have switched to ethanol which IMO is better than MTBE.

Thats what Ray at AA told me this morning. I don't see how they could use 89.5 and call it 91. Ray said they add stuff to it to make it preform like its 91. There haven't been any complaints from the people in California who have the SC so I'm assuming the gas works just fine. I can't say I know the differences between ethonal and MTBE.

Micah, ready to order...just sent you an email with a few quick questions about payment...

Hey everyone,
If you are still trying to decide if you want the SC I just wanted to let you know that the GB ends on this Thursday night at 11:59pm, so time is running out:).

any word on the orders already placed?

What the total count to?

We are up to 6 SC'ers, but there is still time to get the other 4. For the orders already placed once the check clears we place the order with AA:).

Geez ... You guys have me thinking now. Make a nice addition to my S52 ///Mcoupe. Alex of "Carb Connectoin" here in the NW is an AA rep and could do the install. But I would possibly install it myself. Damn ... Decisions, decisions! :95

Originally posted by D///Mill
Geez ... You guys have me thinking now. Make a nice addition to my S52 ///Mcoupe. Alex of "Carb Connectoin" here in the NW is an AA rep and could do the install. But I would possibly install it myself. Damn ... Decisions, decisions! :95

Doug,
It would make a very nice addition to the Coupe, a 127 HP addition:). From what I understand the installation isn't to hard to do it yourself, it will just take a weekend.

go for it - when else are you going to get $1000 off the price of a new S/C kit from anyone?

Thanks for the encouagement Mike:)

it's that $100 extra break @10 speaking ....

payment sent! can't wait to get this put on!

I take it the FINAL word on pullies is that they won't work with the S/C.

Is that correct?

Thanks,
Pat.

Originally posted by Speedfreak
I take it the FINAL word on pullies is that they won't work with the S/C.

Is that correct?

Thanks,
Pat.

Sadly:( the pullies will not work. But in the bright side you can get 100+ HP without them:)

Do it now!! Why wait?! Another deal like this might not come around for a long...and I mean long time!

Go faster!! Get blown!! Get AA!! Get me a $100 back!!

Originally posted by MFaust
Do it now!! Why wait?! Another deal like this might not come around for a long...and I mean long time!

Go faster!! Get blown!! Get AA!! Get me a $100 back!!

I couldn't have put it better myself. Come on guys do it for Charles:) if not yourself.

Peer pressure, peer pressure!!

Originally posted by NewM3er
Peer pressure, peer pressure!!

Come on, all the cool kids are doing it;).

Is the count at 7 so far? I still teetering, but you might have one more before it ends. Not 100% yet, still teetering. :wiggle:

6, I believe.

Teetering? NONSENSE! SUCCUMB TO YOUR DESIRES! BUY NOW! :stickoutt

Right now there are 6, but I know there are at least 4 people trying to make up their minds. I'm hoping we can get them to join in and help get the price reduced:).

If you guys don't jump on this now you're going to be saying to yourself, "shoulda, woulda, coulda", as you're driving in your Naturally Aspirated 3 series. And you'll feel worse as I seriously pass your arse on the road and flash my hazards w/ my AA SCd ///M Coupe. :evil2

It's just a phone call away to prevent the above from happening.

:D

Originally posted by WhippedButter
6, I believe.

Teetering? NONSENSE! SUCCUMB TO YOUR DESIRES! BUY NOW! :stickoutt

Whoa, I just heard Darth Vader's voice when I was reading that. :laugh

Originally posted by MFaust
If you guys don't jump on this now you're going to be saying to yourself, "shoulda, woulda, coulda", as you're driving in your Naturally Aspirated 3 series. And you'll feel worse as I seriously pass your arse on the road and flash my hazards w/ my AA SCd ///M Coupe. :evil2

It's just a phone call away to prevent the above from happening.

:D

:clap: You tell him.

Time is running out:(. There is only 24 hours left to get in on this incredible deal. Hurry up and send in the money so we can get you your SUPERCHARGER:). All we need is a few more and you save another $100 and everyone else gets $100 back.

D///Mill, NewM3er, GQ_Style, ACS330Ci.....I'm looking your direction;)

I called Micah earlier. I'm another notch closer. Not teasing, just really some last minute jitters. There is not as much people on the FI forum pushing me like before. This better be worth it... :D

Originally posted by GQ_Style
I called Micah earlier. I'm another notch closer. Not teasing, just really some last minute jitters. There is not as much people on the FI forum pushing me like before. This better be worth it... :D

Do it! Do it! Do it!

Do it! Do it! Do it!

GQ_Style,

You have a reason to buy in you sig..."The only replacement for displacement is technology.":)

GREAT NEWS! The AA Supercharger Group Purchase has been extended by one week to August 14, 11:59pm PST for all you stragglers. Enjoy, and if you have any questions, as always, let us know! :D

We only need 4 more people then we have 10. :)

Itching... I've just cleared enough funds for this.

Seeing my mechanic on Monday for the compression test. If all is well, I am in.

So itchy... Dark side calling... Must resist... Resistance futile... Must resist... Need alcohol... Dark side calling... Must answer... *drool* :redspot

Read the following with the Darth Vader voice...

GQ,
Everything will come out ok. You will buy a SC for your car. :evil2

To the Top!

Micah/Leif,

Any word yet on when they're shipping mine?

Thanks,
Charles

ditto - I'm gettting anxious!

We're getting close -- within the next week or so. The first two have already shipped. :D

Originally posted by WhippedButter
We're getting close -- within the next week or so. The first two have already shipped. :D

:D

Who are the first two?!?!?

Well, not you. :(

But not to fear, yours will be shipping soon, too!

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Well, not you. :(

But not to fear, yours will be shipping soon, too!

:D :confused: :95 :az: :( :D

Got My Email - S/C kit has shipped - UPS Delivery is MONDAY!!!!

Originally posted by MCoupeMike
Got My Email - S/C kit has shipped - UPS Delivery is MONDAY!!!!

Lucky dog!! Can't wait to get mine!!

gettin mine on monday too....THANK YOU JEBUS!!

bastards! hey thats cool, maybe i'll be getting mine soon as well.

Don't thank "Jebus", thank Micah and the guys at M3Motorwerks, and of course, AA!!!

Got my compression test numbers back. I am in. :buttrock

Waiting for Micah to call me back when he checks his voicemail. :redspot

you lucky bitch...

Originally posted by Dinan330ic
you lucky bitch...

Darren, get one with me!!

We can do the install together. A double install for the OBD-1 S50 engine. I already have cheap/free labor lined up for the install. Also a camera man (and friend) wants to photo document the whole thing.

It's only $500/mo for the next 9.5 months. Totally affordable. And you know you NEED the ~ 280 RWHP. :)

Originally posted by GQ_Style
Darren, get one with me!!

I want to, sooooooooo bad. :bawl
I have to go back to boston in two weeks; otherwise I would..............possibly


We can do the install together. A double install for the OBD-1 S50 engine. I already have cheap/free labor lined up for the install. Also a camera man (and friend) wants to photo document the whole thing.


Good luck dude.


It's only $500/mo for the next 9.5 months. Totally affordable. And you know you NEED the ~ 280 RWHP. :)

Yeah, but I hate being in debt.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NewM3er
Don't thank "Jebus", thank Micah and the guys at M3Motorwerks, and of course, AA!!! [/QUOTE


actually i would have to thank Andy W and our unnamed supplier:awink:


damn andy, i figured you would already have yours on...maybe you should call AA and see what the deal is.

thank me? thats great, but what did i do?

you got me in on your deal didnt you? at least i thought it was you.....granted i am a moron so i may be wrong

i emailed you as gigilo666 so you may not recognize this screen name

my bad, it was actually Adam P. as i said i am not smart (references are available) so with that said...thanks Adam P and as for you andy....I OWE YOU NOTHING!!!!!!!...j/k

damn right you owe me nothing:D

I'm in and it seems I may be the only small E46 that made the purchase. :D

Maybe I'll have the fastest "slow" BMW around. :evil2

Thanks Micah. :clap:

Guess we didn't make 10? :dunno

No, not quite ten, my friend. I believe the final total is 7, but would have to double-check.

In any case, everyone's orders are getting close (Patrick, yours will take a bit longer as well as Ed's) to shipping!

:alright

It's still a good deal without 10.
I'm not in a big hurry. My TSE2 is supposed to ship next week. I'll have something to do until the S/C arrives.

Thanks.

hey Micah, how close is "close"?

Mine showed up today! Can't wait to get started!

yea yea, i saw your post in FI...lucky bastard, all i got to say is :vffani:
j/k, good luck with the install. hope mine ships soon.

:booty:


:redspot


[warning - this post is a complete waste]

Originally posted by WhippedButter
No, not quite ten, my friend. I believe the final total is 7, but would have to double-check.

In any case, everyone's orders are getting close (Patrick, yours will take a bit longer as well as Ed's) to shipping!

:alright

This is Ed. I hope mine doesn't take too much longer, I am very anxious as well. Let me know ETA. Thx!

Originally posted by GQ_Style
This is Ed. I hope mine doesn't take too much longer, I am very anxious as well. Let me know ETA. Thx!

Same here.

Thanks,
Charles

Those of you waiting, I don't want to make any promises as to delivery that won't come true, so I'm being purposely vague. Just hang in there with me, ok? You will be taken care of shortly. :D

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Those of you waiting, I don't want to make any promises as to delivery that won't come true, so I'm being purposely vague. Just hang in there with me, ok? You will be taken care of shortly. :D

I'm hangin'....I'm hangin'...don't know how much longer I can take this stock performance stuff.

:D

Oh the anticipation...

Originally posted by GQ_Style
Darren, get one with me!!

We can do the install together. A double install for the OBD-1 S50 engine. I already have cheap/free labor lined up for the install. Also a camera man (and friend) wants to photo document the whole thing.

It's only $500/mo for the next 9.5 months. Totally affordable. And you know you NEED the ~ 280 RWHP. :)

Are you kidding or does AA have a installment plan? I don't want to load up my credit card but if they'll do $500 a month, I may be in :)

Originally posted by BGM3
Are you kidding or does AA have a installment plan? I don't want to load up my credit card but if they'll do $500 a month, I may be in :)

why dont you apply for an introductory 0% credit card and pay them $500/month?

no credit cards for me :) I have one for "just in case" ...

Just a quick update to let you everyone know that all S/C kits (except GQ's & Speedfreak's) will be shipped out by the end of this week according to AA. Hope you guys are ready! :) You'll get tracking numbers individually as they ship.

Originally posted by WhippedButter
(except GQ's & Speedfreak's)

:bawl Any ETA on us stragglers?

:clap: sweet, Micah, you :buttrock

GQ: I'd estimate late next week, early the following week.

Well I know I ordered mine before GQ & Speedfreak, therefore that doesn't make me part of the exception!! Instead, I'm part of the batch that's to be shipped out this week!!

Yeeehaaawwww!!

:redspot

i'm guessing its too late to get in on this? dammit!

am I scheduled to ship this week?

there's a new C32 AMG in the hood. gotta should him whose boss.

dont get too excited guys.....check out my post on the forced induction forum

Originally posted by slimjim
i'm guessing its too late to get in on this? dammit!

Why don't you pm, email, or call Micah privately. He's an awesome guy and will bend over backwards to make you a customer. Talk to him.

Well I doubt mine shipped yet...hopefully the batch of SCs that I'm in are the "Good" ones.

I haven't received a call from AA, but I'll call tomorrow to make sure everything's okay with my kit.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125906

Alan: Yes, your is one of the S/C's to be shipped this week. :)

b22md: Actually, it's no big deal -- none of the S/C's ordered by these group purchase participants are affected. It's only a series of around 10 superchargers that have been recalled.

Everyone else gets to enjoy wicked fast cars with problem-free operation. :)

Micah, can you find out what the recall was for? Even though the rest of us are unaffected, it would be nice to know what the failure issue was that would warrant a recall so that we can be that much more informed. Thanks.

Micah/Leif,

W/ the recall thing, is there any word on the shipment of the kits?

Thanks,

Charles

Recall info: The problem was a poorly manufactured seal in the supercharger. Rotrex basically got (or made -- I don't know if they make them in-house or not) a bad batch and that caused the problems. No major problem, just one of those goof-ups that happens, ya know?

Shipping info: Talked with Rey @ AA today, and he's saying that he's going to call me later today with all the tracking numbers. So, everyone but GQ and Speedfreak's are going out today! :D Depending on when Rey gets them to me, I may not be able to get the tracking numbers to everyone until Tuesday since I've got company coming into town this evening, and I'm not working Monday -- gonna be playing on Jetskis at my girlfriends' lakehouse!

:alright

Just checking in, maybe this week or early next week?? The anticipation... :evil2

Early next week for you and Speedfreak! :buttrock

Did everyone else get their e-mails w/ tracking numbers? :D

lucky bastids

:redspot

got mine...thanks Micah, can't wait till next tuesday

Weekly check in. Any word on an ETA date for us stagglers? Aniticpation is so nerve racking...

Forgot to tell ya Micah...I got my kit on Thursday.

Will post progress on install soon.

:D

Stragglers get their stuff shipped Wed/Thursday AT THE LATEST according to Rey @ AA. He's hoping to get everything out the door tomorrow, though. :)

Let me know how the install goes, Charles!

I got mine!!

now if I can only find a few days to install it.

Originally posted by fast4d
I got mine!!

now if I can only find a few days to install it.

Call in sick tomorrow and then you have three days to work:)

Any stragglers get their tracking numbers yet? I already have everything lined up to install the supercharger. I'm just waiting for it to come in.

Tomorrow feels like a lucky day. :D

Today I received the TSE2 I ordered from UUC in March so I have something to do
with my next couple of free days.

Wait, what's a free day? :dunno

:( No word from AA today about the S/C's. I'm hoping to get a couple of tracking numbers tonight. I'll keep you guys updated.

it looks like early next week.

Originally posted by DrZiplok
Because M3 owners are conditioned to pay more for the same stuff.

This is a nice deal; pity the AA kit isn't CARB-approved. 8(

Yep, AA includes everything you need, except CARB certification ...

Dinan costs a lot of money, but they are 50-state legal. You would think that since a HUGE percentage of the M3's sold are here in California, that AA would shell out the money for certification. Heck, ECIS is doing that just for its CAI ...

I guess AA has enough business ... :dunno

Weekly check-in. Any word on my S/C? Stragglers need power too. :95

Still no news. :95

Buncha damn slackers at AA makin' me look bad. :(

I'm on top of it, but getting a return call out of the guys at AA is like trying to get a dog to talk. It might happen, but it's nearly impossible.

You guys wanted a lesson in the virtues of patience and how waiting for something makes it better, right? RIGHT? :stickoutt

I was trained by the best. :D

I just received the TSE2 exhaust that I oredered in March. :buttrock

Wow. I think 6 months would simply be unacceptable. I think 1 month is pushing the limits and we are nearing that time frame.

I'm not quite at the point of being frustrated yet. But I'll get there soon if it does come before my credit card statement due date.

Let me know when it ships or another ETA. :D

Shipped yesterday. You should have received an e-mail. :) I want you guys to be happy, and I apologize for the delay, so next time you need something for your ride, let me know and I'll see what I can do about pricing. ;)

I haven't even opened it yet.

It's here. It's nice...

:evil2

I would love to buy one- i was actually thinking i do it next year sometime in the summer time - Whoever gets it - enjoy

Question: Can i use AA Trak pipes with them?

Yes you can.

So is this deal still open, or is it closed?

Doug,

The goup purchase is closed, but I've sent you an e-mail outlining current pricing. It might be better than you think. ;)

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Doug,

The goup purchase is closed, but I've sent you an e-mail outlining current pricing. It might be better than you think. ;)

Can you send me the info also please?

YIA

Info sent!

Can you send me the pricing too?

Sheesh, leave me alone, people! :D Pricing is on its way, Mike! :)

hey Micah...how 'bout some pricing over here:wave:




ha:astromile j/k

How do you like being :bj:, Andy?

:biglaughb

Hmmmm, looks like there might be enough people for another GB :D

:dunno

Let me mull it over, guys. :D

Hey Micah, I'll probably be down with a SC group buy too. It would make a great X-mas present to myself. Oh yea, still waiting on that tracking # for the UUC SSK and clutch stop. I know I just called you Monday about it, but I'm getting really anxious now.

Mo Tanner

Mo, good to see you on the boards! I'm waiting on UUC to follow through. Supposedly the SSK's should be ready to ship in the next few business days, but I'm at their mercy right now. I promise, you'll get your SSK and clutch stop, but you've got to be patient, my friend. :)

Let me think about another S/C group purchase. If I do run one, it will probably be a bit closer to X-mas with pricing not as low as the previous one simply because I don't want to devalue the product or flood the market at an extremely low price and make AA or my competition angry.

If one happens, you'll definitely see a post! :D

if you can get one at the same price i'd be down.

Originally posted by WhippedButter
Let me think about another S/C group purchase. If I do run one, it will probably be a bit closer to X-mas with pricing not as low as the previous one simply because I don't want to devalue the product or flood the market at an extremely low price and make AA or my competition angry.


IMHO the value of a product is determined by it's quality not its price. I don't agree that selling a product to customers at a fair price devalues it in any way... it just points out that the competition is being a bit greedy with it's profit margin. Come on, some of the e46 kits are selling for 10k without an intercooler! That's just crazy.

First, let me preface this by saying that when I talk about "people," I mean the somewhat informed but not really "in the know" type of consumer.

What I mean by "devalue" is a resulting perception of lesser quality through significantly lower pricing. It's an inevitable subconscious assumption: lower price = lower quality. ("Hmmm, this is cheaper...I wonder what's worse about it?") I don't think anyone would argue that there's $60,000 of performance/quality difference between a Porsche 911 Turbo and a Corvette Z06, but the price difference is there in part because of a PERCEIVED value given to the Porsche AS A RESULT of its higher price.

Somehow, even though there is perhaps $10,000 (in my opinion) at most difference in interior quality, build quality, etc. in the real world, the Porsche is a much more highly valued product in part because of the price premium it carries. The Corvette IS perceived a far lesser product.

The same goes for Orange juice in a grocery store. Tropicana "not from concentrate" costs more than Kroger "not from concentrate" even though the likelihood is that the two use the same farmer's oranges and they taste damn near the same. But many people pay the premium (I don't ;)).

But in any case, in this specific instance, the S/C kit, at retail, is already very fairly priced and accurately reflects its value, in my opinion. Selling the kit TOO cheaply leads to the perception of lesser quality and fewer sales. Stange, but I think it's true.

I know you'll say that you know the quality of the kit through research on the kit itself, and you do. To you, the quality is not a function of price. But to those not as well informed, it is largely a function of price and presentation, and if the average price for the product goes lower, sales go down.

And that's bad for me, because, let's be honest, Steve -- tuners like AA and resellers like me are in this business because they love it, but they also want to pay the bills and lead a good life. Ultimately, product pricing is based on what people are willing to pay based on the VALUE THEY PERCEIVE in a product. There is no such thing as ridiculous pricing if people are paying it and feel that the amount they've paid is a good value. A happy customer = a good price.

But then again, I'm probably just trying to justify charging more. :D In any case, my beautiful new Stromung exhaust system just arrived, so I'm off to install it.

:buttrock