can I clean with 3M Imperial Machine Glaze then apply Zainos over that?

wash it first and then apply.

Yes... but... don't waste your time. IHG is a glaze, which means all it does is hide the imperfections in your paint... not remove them by using all sorts of oils and fillers. You should at least use a product like 3m Swirl Mark Remover or Meguiars #9 Swirl Remover 2.0.

after you apply and remove whatever you decide on using do a wash with Dawn detergent to remove the oils and fillers that will make the Zaino not bond properly.

Not Dawn, Zaino wash.

hmmm, what do you reccomeend for cleaning the paint.. I have a thing dead layer on the sides.. Top is in good condition..



Originally posted by Kyle K.
Yes... but... don't waste your time. IHG is a glaze, which means all it does is hide the imperfections in your paint... not remove them by using all sorts of oils and fillers. You should at least use a product like 3m Swirl Mark Remover or Meguiars #9 Swirl Remover 2.0.

after you apply and remove whatever you decide on using do a wash with Dawn detergent to remove the oils and fillers that will make the Zaino not bond properly.

hmmm, what do you reccomeend for cleaning the paint.. I have a thing dead layer on the sides.. Top is in good condition..

3M Medium Oxidation Cleaner Wax has worked well for me. It removes oxidation as well as mild scratches and other surface imperfections. I apply it with a Porter Cable buffer using a yellow pad on either 4 or 5 speed.

BTW, in answer to your original question. I've tried throwing 3M IHG on over Zaino and it didn't look that much better if any. Also IHG isn't nearly as slippery as Zaino when it comes to repelling water and dirt.

Originally posted by WebDev
3M Medium Oxidation Cleaner Wax has worked well for me. It removes oxidation as well as mild scratches and other surface imperfections. I apply it with a Porter Cable buffer using a yellow pad on either 4 or 5 speed.


Boy WebDev, you're just bound and determined to work in MOR into every post aren't you :) Before everyone runs out to try this product, read the autopia review below. While this product may be done by had, it should be used with a PC or rotary.

"This product is for the owner of a neglected car who wants to restore an oxidized, water marked and stained paint surface without the help of a professional or the use of a machine. It is a good start for a weekend detailer's quest for a decent paint restoration project.

The 3M Finish Restorer can easily rejuvenate a relatively old (5 years or less) paint that's etched with hard water marks, light scratches and light oxidation. You can really expect your car to look a few years younger after using this product correctly.

Having that said, I must point out what this product is not. This product is not an all-in-one cleaner-polish-wax system. The product is more like a cleaner wax. Safely removing old oxidized, water marked, lightly scratched and swirled paint. It can not remove deeper scratches like compounds do, it can not remove surface imperfection such as tar, overspray paint and surface defects that clings to the paint like a clay bar does. It also is not a stand alone wax that can offer good depth, gloss and protection. If being left unprotected with a separate wax, the clean surface will be tarnished in a matter of weeks. "

Ok so I need something that will remove; lite oxidization, water marks, stained paint , minor surface imperfection such as tar, paint and minor surface defects?

what do you all recommend

Grab a clay bar for the tar and minor surface defects to make sure they are completely cleaned before applying any wax/Zaino items.

But do the Porter Cable treatment like mentioned above to get rid of the water marks, etc. It's the best bet--and you won't have the hand/arm strength to do that kind of friction that those types of problems will require. Just pick up the tool, and be happy for the rest of your days that you've got it. Makes the job easier, and it can be used to remove swirl marks too with the 3M Swirl Mark Remover.

Also, keep in mind whether your paint is a light color or a dark color--you might to get products according to that aspect to make sure you don't leave marks or whatnot to mar the finish of the car.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Turbo ///M50
Ok so I need something that will remove; lite oxidization, water marks, stained paint , minor surface imperfection such as tar, paint and minor surface defects?

what do you all recommend

Claybar to remove anything foreign material imbedded in the paint

For oxidation, water marks and minor scratches/micro swirls, you'll need a fairly aggressive polish - Meg's DACP or 3M's FI-II probally. SMR usually doesn't touch water marks if they've been on the car for any length of time, but if it's not bad, give it a try. Remember to always use the least aggressive product necessary to do the job. You can try 3M's MOR, but treat it as a polish, not the cleaner wax that they claim it to be.

If you've got scratches that you can feel, then you're looking at a compound of some sort. 3M's got a bunch of them and are generally available locally.

For stained paint, the question is stained with what? If it's deep into the basecoat, it's not coming out w/o a repaint - reasons why birds**t needs to come off right away.