Alright, today was a day in which my dogs were throwing up on my brand new Wet Okole seat covers. I drove my dogs to my parents place out in Gaithersburg, Md and decided to drop them off and give them a little exercise. Today, no rain on the ground, but many clouds in the sky.

Deciding that I didn't want to hear tales about my father's bowel movements, I decided to take a quick ride to Sear's and pick up a 17 mm socket for a 1/2 inch driver and get an air compressor. Heading over there, I pull onto the Sam Eig. hwy that goes to the shady grove metro stop. I decided to see if my mechanic was working since he received my lug nuts. I get there and nope, no soup for me ... he's gone.

I start back on the road and look what we have here. An Evo 8 sitting at the light. I'm sitting right behind him. Hmm... that wing looks weird and the back end is a little more boxy than I thought. I see the driver glancing in his rearview mirror and smile. I have my schroth 4-pt. harnesses on, so he knows I'm not your average M3 driver.

The light turns yellow going the other way, he starts to inch forward, and the light turns green, semi-aggressive launch he did and he jumps forward and I'm right on his ass like it was Tila Nguyen in front of me. I shift at 4000 rpms into second and he then punches it ... hard .... I punch it hard. The glorious external wastegate opens with a scream (nope, not plumbed back in :D) ... I stay on his ass ... b/c if you know this road, it's got a few corners and turns and I want to see how good he is.

So, quickly I am riding his ass...damn, this car is pretty quick I think, and I shift into 3rd at 6000 rpms.... and I'm content to stay behind him...the first corner comes up and he starts braking in the corner .... mistake my grasshopper friend :nono ... and I let him know by sitting inches from his bumper ... I carve a decent line through the corner, he is weaving in his lane back and forth. I didn't accelerate, just a little throttle to transfer weight forward but, no gas ... and I stick to his bumper like glue .... he punches it again and I just stomp on the gas ... DAMN this friggin' clutch :mad: ... vrooooooom..... but he doesn't get far and I stay within 3-4 CL's behind him, just content and shift into fourth.

He is no longer trying to accelerate and lose me. The second corner comes up. This is the SHARP right-hander for people that know the return route from pro-imports. He hits the corner pretty hot and I've closed the gap to about 2 cl's now ... and he steps on the brakes...very late line he is taking ... I heel&toe back down to third and ignore his wandering in the lane and look past his car to where I want to go....

He decides to mash the brakes LATE ... I guess he got scared or something ... because I come within inches of his rear bumper. My line is straighter and faster (and I suck :D)....and I stay on his ass..... we then come to the light at the main road and I decide to finally pull beside him. He doesn't pull all the way forward and stays at my rear window for some reason, so, damn him, I reverse a little ... and I motion for him to pull down his window. I tell him, very nice car. It looked very solidly planted and was quick as hell. He was an asian about my age and we exchanged pleasantries. He says I have a very nice car to that handles well, I tell him of course, thank you; but, his car is a rally car and would eat my car on the track, stock v. stock. He smiles feeling good at that compliment.

We wait for the light and this Green V8 thunderbird pulls up next to me on my left. If you know this route, the lane he is in will merge into my lane in about 500 feet. It was an older caucasian couple, around early 40's....and his wife smiles at me. Hmmm.....:D The light signal turns green for the turn lane and the thunderbird inches forward and so does the Evo 8.

The light turns green ... and I accelerate normally .... and the thunderbird punches it ... and so does the Evo 8...WTF....don't they know this area is notorious for cops? But, in that millisecond I put the pedal to the metal ... and I scream forward. Damn, who keeps talking about turbo lag anyway??? :dunno I scream forward and easily pull about 1/2 CL on the thunderbird and get even with the Evo 8. I shift into second and the Evo 8 is falling behind, I would say about a good 1 CL behind me now, and I shift and I can see him in my rearview mirror. I see that the thunderbird merged behind me and is still charging...WTF...so, pull over to the right lane ... and he guns it past me ...

He gets caught at the next light ... and I turn and nod my head, the driver ignores me and his wife smiles again at me ... ;) That thunderbird got some good pickup once he starts moving though ... not bad at all.

Evo 8 -- definitely an E36 M3 beater ... no way in hell anyone here even with mods, could possibly keep up with one. These are hella fast. I'm not sure the weight ... but, it's pretty damn quick. I would say the Evo 8 will take an E46 M3 out as well. That's just my opinion. Evo 8, very nice car .... very fast. Props to where it is due! :D

So What exactly do you drive?

One bad ass AA-Turbo beast:D

Nice run James. Good to read an unbiased opinion about the EVO8.

would a evo pull away from a e36 M3 from a roll?

Originally posted by yotone
would a evo pull away from a e36 M3 from a roll?

How fast of a roll you talking about? I'd say the e36 would win from a 5 mph roll just being the Evo is turbo and has lag.

very nice James.



how would you compare your overall experiance with your AA turbo? Would you do it again or go with an SC next time?

No way guys -- I don't know what you are smoking. The Evo 8 should hand 99% of all E36 owners their ass. From a roll, from a stop, probably going in reverse ;). I would say that the Evo 8 has a good chance on pulling on many E46 M3 owners as well. I'm not sure the power/weight ratio; but, it HAS to favor the Evo 8.

Just b/c a car is turbo, doesn't mean there is this HUUUUGE lag. Maybe if a car is using a turbo built in the early 90's; but, things have improved quite a bit.... ;)

Even if the E36 M3 gets the jump from a 5 mph roll ... if you only race to 40 mph, of course, the E36 M3 might win; but, if you are talking a full-out race up to 100+, no way, the E36 M3 will be toast ... I'm wondering EVEN IF a person has 3.46 gearing, cams, headers, the works, if that is enough. I don't think so.

Turbo all the way, I like having the torque sensation of the turbo. I don't know what people are talking about lag ... I don't see any lag (if you come down, I'll let you drive it).

A supercharged car seems much more easier to drive though. I rode in a friend's SLK 32 amg and it was hella fast (I love that car), he ran a 12.63 1/4 time at 109 mph IIRC. We then jumped in my car and he said hands down my car felt ten times faster than his (lo-boost setting).

Actually, good people to ask is Russ and Jeff (kapolani and Jlee)... I let both of them drive my car before they got their AA s/c'ed vehicles. So, they could give a good idea of the difference.

With turbo though, you have a "whup-ass" boost level and a "I am inigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die" boost level ...

Nice runs, James!

Evo 8 = 4.56 to 60 mph and 13.05(? something like that) at 104 mph for 1/4 mile according to a mag.

That is WAY faster than E36 recorded numbers from mags. I know about mag racing so please don't start. But they do give some idea on what these car can do.

I would say Evo 8 should give a very good run or even beat E46 M3s. By the time they get $1500 worth of Stage I kit, not many bolt on E46M3s will stand a chance, IMO...

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
With turbo though, you have a "whup-ass" boost level and a "I am inigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die" boost level ...


now going to www.aatuning.com - I want a Knight Rider Super Pursuit Mode for my bimmer. :D





isn't there a pre-owned turbo setup? $10k+ is a little rich for my blood at this moment. :help

Stock Evos in the tests are only doing 101-104 mph in the quarter. I think most of the great 0-60 and quarter times are due to the phenomenal traction they have off the line, and is not related to raw horsepower.

I'd think an AA turbo would be way faster once each car has established adequate traction. Unless, of course, that Evo wasn't stock..stock Evos are only pushing 270 hp are are not exactly very light.....

The fact that a midly tweaked E36 M3 can do low 100s in the quarter with much inferior traction says to me the Evo can't really be that much faster when neither car is traction limited.

Did you forget 13 sec flat 1/4 mile time? ;)
I haven't seen any bolt on E36M3s running 13 sec flat yet. :dunno

Evos aren't that much, but it's enough to give any E46M3 a hard time. :eek:

From a dead stop, I agree, Sean. But if you do that wussy from a roll crap, the Evo loses it's advantage...

I still say the Evo would loose a race from a roll. In all the mags I've read, the Evo is averaging about a 6 sec. 5-60 time. The turbo spools at about 3000 rpm where the e36 isn't waiting. I'm not saying the Evo would get destroyed, but I would think the e36 has the advantage from at least a 5mph roll.

I agree, Corey...

Originally posted by 00MRoadster
Did you forget 13 sec flat 1/4 mile time? ;)


There was an Evo 8 at the track a few weeks ago running mid 14`s. A far cry from what the magazines are getting.

Poor guy kept getting spanked by his buddy in a SRT-4 ,who was running high 13`s.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?threadid=24551 -- plethora of dyno graphs ... geez, didn't realize there were so damn many of them in this area.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?threadid=22209&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

Well, it looks like Corey and Dave are right. PEople are doing 13.6-13.8 EVEN WITH 1.8 60' ft. times. Having awd, perhaps they can get 13.2-13.4 seconds. It seems R&D did something because no one is even coming close to those times. One person got a 13.44 with a 1.7 60' time. Trap speeds are hovering right around 100-101.

FWIW, I believe stock PSI is around 19 lbs and it tapers off at redline to around 16 lbs. Now, the efficiency map shows that you can increase boost MAYBE 1-2 lbs; but, that's it...the turbo is maxed out. People that claim they run 25 lbs of boost, horseshit, because it's way out of the turbo's range.

With Vishnu's stage whatever package ... it seems the Evo 8 becomes an E46 rival. However, everyone was hyping how fast the evo 8 was ... it seemed pretty quick to me ... but, it's hard to judge a car pacing it ... I had no problems following it ... but, it seemed damn quick unless the person left it in a lower gear to stay above 3000 rpms... who knows ... I watch the road mostly and not the car ...

Perhaps, the mag was off by 1 sec, making it 14 sec flat? :dunno

I like the car but I am sure I got nothing to be afraid of. :D

dont steal lines from liar liar

referring to bowel movement ..maybe u didn't.

bah its a sedan. and BAH its not a BMW..and i wanna get some official STi numbers.

Originally posted by Pharshballa
bah its a sedan. and BAH its not a BMW..

Excellent arguments!

When I went to the track there was a guy with an Evo8 running 15's. He said he was launching at like 5k and still bogging, guess you really have to murder your clutch/AWD system to get good times. Personally, I prefer the STi, a much better looking car.

And James, it's okay to call us 'white', we dont mind. :biglaughb

With a good driver and free flow exhaust the Evo VIII can run low 13 and even 12.97 as I saw my friend run it on April 11 with traps of 104mph at 19psi.

A full 3.0" exhaust no cats just free flow muffler he ran a 12.57@107mph @21psi (the limit of stock turbo)

On one run with crappy traction I have the video we ran Bmw13.66@115 Evo VIII12.93@104.

I caught and passed him at the end of the 1/4 mile but he had a better time.

These little cars are fast with very minor upgrades and there is no way a stock or lightly mod E36 M3 will keep up to the evo and that is a fact.

From a stop or roll the evo is faster. If the Evo driver can not drive and shift well and is in the wrong gear and the E36 gets a jump on him then that could be a different story.

I got to test drive an Evo today and i think the car is perfectly capable of mid 13's with a good driver, that knows the car. The car left me impressed. The only thing i could keep thinking to myself was, "man, this thing isn't even broken-in and it's stock. Wait 'til they start the modding:eek: ". I don't even want to know about the STi. Dealer wasn't giving any test drives on those.

http://forbidden411.com/Angel/Evo.jpg
http://forbidden411.com/Angel/evoengside.jpg
http://forbidden411.com/Angel/STi.jpg http://forbidden411.com/Angel/StiEng.jpg

I ran against my first Evo 8 about a week ago from a roll in first gear. Once I got traction, I reeled him in and stayed even through 3rd gear. Had to shut down after that as there was traffic.

I have much respect for these cars, they are faster than you think. I am scared at the thought of what some exhaust work would do to them...

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
I have my schroth 4-pt. harnesses on, so he knows I'm not your average M3 driver.


how do u use ur 4 pt harness on the street, isn't it difficult to look over ur shoulder while changing lanes ???

I signal like I'm on the track --- hand signals baby :biglaughb ...

pharshballa -- I WAS making reference to liar liar; but, not trying to steal the lines ;)

I use the schroth b/c I feel safer in it ... honestly. Plus, can you believe this, cops sit RIGHT OUTSIDE my gate in the morning at the bottom of the hill flagging people to pull over ... and citing them for tickets in not wearing the seat belts.

I received a couple of tickets and just decided to wear the schroths. So, now, the lady gives me a thumbs up or nods here head at me :D ...

the schroth 4 is a DOT legal belt, you can use it as a replacement/supliment for the OE belt included with your car.

bmw also has a red "motorsport" kit for the car that can compliment your 3 point stock unit.

---

that Evo looks very good in black - I think I just found the first 4 door I'd ever buy.

A few things, and I don't mean to speak for Corey, but I think where we agreed in a general sense is that 1/4 mile racing is all about the launch.

And that's where the Evo has an edge due to AWD. That being said, 1.7 60 ft times are nice, but look at my sig. I have RWD and rarely go North into the 1.7's these days.

And that reference about the BMW running 13.66 at 115 mph- that dude can't launch! That's pitiful, if you ask me. Look at my trap speeds and my ET's... I've got .6 mph on his traps, yet almost a full 2 seconds in the ET? Pathetic, I'm sorry to say...

Take away the Evo's launch with a wussy from a roll run, and it's all about the trap speeds. Look at the traps of the Evo and the other cars in question, and that will be most indicative of what would likely come out ahead...

Originally posted by SilverStreak

And that reference about the BMW running 13.66 at 115 mph- that dude can't launch! That's pitiful, if you ask me.

Agreed. With a good launch and stickey tires, that AA turbo should have *destroyed* that Evo in the quarter.

'Nuff Sed.

Arlight you guys keep talking about the 1/4 mile but that really doesn't measure the speed of the car it considers the driver. I've seen cars that screw up the launch at trap 130mph and get 13's. Now tell me if you raced that guy that traps 130mph and you trap 115 and get 11' s and he gets 13's the other guy which traps 130mph would just destroy you if you raced head to head!! Also look at 0-150mph times. When you talk about a car being fast what do you exactly mean? Fast to 100mph? in the 1/4 mile? Say there are 2 cars, car one does the 1/4 faster than car two but car two gets to 150mph faster? Which car is faster? If you only want to compare 1/4 times then the first car but if you want to see which car is the fastest then it's the car that gets to 150mph the quickest! Like for instance take a 350z and an Evo 8. The Evo would win in the 1/4 but take it up higher and higher than the Z would edge it out!

Trap speeds indicate/reflect "from a roll" type of results.

ET's reflect driver skill (launch and traction, etc...)

When I'm at the track I look at trap speeds. I have a buddy with a Greddy t'charged Si that runs 8.1 in the 1/8 with slicks. My fastest with mt Cobra is a 8.504 @ 88 mph with no traction. Leaving the track that night I destroyed him going home. It was no contest simply because I trap a higher mph than him.

Same thing with the Evo. I'm getting one so I've been doing all my research on this car for the past month or two. Stock, my car should trap somewhere around 112 or so and the fastest I've seen a Evo trap stock was maybe 104 at the most, but the times may be close due to no traction for the Cobra. This is why everyone thinks 03' Cobras are not as fast as they hear because everyone that has them get shitty times at the track due to no traction. This is the same as the Evo. I see guys posting saying "I seen a Evo last night running 10's in the 1/8, that thing isn't as fast as they say."

It takes time to learn how to drive a new car. I'm still trying to launch this thing right myself. Now that I'll be getting rid of it I'll have all the traction I want, but not as much power. I'm not buying the Evo for drag racing purposes though.

Here is a example. Motor Trend tested about 8 cars and the Evo and 03' Cobra was two of them. In the 1/4, the Evo ran a 13.07@103mph and the Cobra ran a 13.01@110 mph. These magazines never list the 60 ft. I'm 100% positive that they didn't pull anything less than a 2.0 60 ft. with the Cobra and they were launching the Evo at 6000 rpm so I'm sure it pulled a 1.7-1.8 60 ft. with all the traction.

In another word,
stock Evo 8 should eat stock & bolt on E36M3 alive on 1/4 strip if both drivers know what they are doing.

From another angle,
stock Evo 8 should be a good match against E46M3 on 1/4 strip if both drivers know what they are doing.

Is this a hype or fact? The new Cobra had a lot of hype before it come to public and it lives up to its hype and more. Will Evo 8 do the same? These are the questions people (including myself) have, I guess.

There is a few guys that ran 13.2 with the EVo right out of the box mind you that they race dsm's for a living. There is a hand full of people who have ran a 12.5 with simple exhaust and afc. The car has endless possibilities. Check out www.buschurracing.com 350whp evo.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
And that reference about the BMW running 13.66 at 115 mph- that dude can't launch! That's pitiful, if you ask me. Look at my trap speeds and my ET's... I've got .6 mph on his traps, yet almost a full 2 seconds in the ET? Pathetic, I'm sorry to say...

Take away the Evo's launch with a wussy from a roll run, and it's all about the trap speeds. Look at the traps of the Evo and the other cars in question, and that will be most indicative of what would likely come out ahead...

:mad: :bawl :D

Dave you are killing me :stickoutt It was me driving but I was on the left side of the track my best runs for the day was on the right side which seems to have better traction. That was a crappy run that I did. The damm weather was in the 50'F and I had no traction that day my best et for that day was 12.8. :(

That was one of my highest et for the day too damm.

Come on give me a break I told you I need you here to drive my car :D

Dave you were running on drag radials dont make me look so bad with my street tires :( :bawl

Im ordering a set of Nitto 245/45/17 as bfg dont have a size that will fit on my car.

I will be pissed if I cant get the car down to a low 12.1 or 11.9. I will be going back when its much warmer around 70's is fine:)

Well, trap speed indicate what would happen if you happen to both exit a corner on a REAL:stickoutt track going say 50mph and had a long straight to go down. I don't think an Evo would pull on an E46 M3 in this instance, but I think it would slightly pull on an E36 M3, but not all that much.

The thing about AWD cars is that they get beast traction with a good launch, but they are VERY tempermental with someone that is not willing to "go all the way" on a launch. Expect bogging and horribly slow times if the driver isn't willing to launch at the "sweet point." A good driver will leave almost any other car staring at their taillights until you start looking at slicks being used on someone with a live axle and monster clutch.

A simple suggestion if you want to know who is a better driver look at 1/4 Times if you want to see which car is faster judge it reaching a certain speed! For example look at 0-150mph :D One example would be comparing a 350Z with an EVo 8 or WRX STI The latter two would run 1 second quicker in the 1/4 mile but take it up to 150 and the Z will pull past them! So which car is faster?

Not everyone is willing to go to 150 mph. I ran my buddies BPU TT Supra last week from a 2nd gear 60 mph roll. On the third honk we both punched it and I jumped about 2 cars on him. When I reached about 120 mph I could see him inching up slowly on me. The race was over. He said to me, "I had you" and I replied, "yeah, at 120 mph, how fast do you want to go?" We went at it again and he never could catch me the second time.

I don't see a comparison with the Evo and the e46. I honestly think the e46 is that much of a better car and I don't think the Evo would have it's way with it on a road course. If it was a course with hardly any straights I could see it hanging, but other than that, I don't think so. The Evo has a HP advantage against the e36, but I'm not too sure about how much the e36 weighs. The Evo weighs a little over 3200 lbs. I've rode in a Evo and I must say the handling is top notch, but then again, I've never rode in a e36.

All this damn talking about the Evo makes me want it even more. I need to close on this damn house.:mad: If all goes right, I'll be rolling a red Evo by next weekend.:D

Originally posted by M3TurboCa
:mad: :bawl :D

Dave you are killing me :stickoutt It was me driving but I was on the left side of the track my best runs for the day was on the right side which seems to have better traction. That was a crappy run that I did. The damm weather was in the 50'F and I had no traction that day my best et for that day was 12.8. :(

That was one of my highest et for the day too damm.

Come on give me a break I told you I need you here to drive my car :D

Dave you were running on drag radials dont make me look so bad with my street tires

Im ordering a set of Nitto 245/45/17 as bfg dont have a size that will fit on my car.

I will be pissed if I cant get the car down to a low 12.1 or 11.9. I will be going back when its much warmer around 70's is fine:)


:rofl: Sorry, dude!

But a 13.66 at 115 mph is... well... less than good. But a 12.8 is... well... better...

One of the things I intend to do this summer, for laughs, is launch my car at the track in 100% street trim, no weight removed, and on my OEM 245/40-17 Dunlop 8080's. My best guess predicts a 12.2-12.4 at 117-118 mph.... We'll see....

But just to make you feel worse, I was cutting 1.8x 60' times on my OEM 245/40-17's.... ;)

And with nothing more than drag radials on my 198 rwhp car I managed a 13.65 at 99.1 mph, which means had we lined up that day I'd have beaten you, despite your 16 mph higher trap speed....

Heck, I got a 13.66 from my friends bone stock S2000 on my 1st try at the track last summer....

(Have I teased you enough?) :D

We gotta work on your launch, dude!

I honestly think the e46 is that much of a better car and I don't think the Evo would have it's way with it on a road course.

Hmm... it will be interesting to see at some upcoming DE's how they do. I REALLY like their suspension (Evo 8) ... I think the Evo 8 will do well at the track ... heck, even the S4 was lapping E46 M3's in the intermediate group ... with equal drivers in stock vehicles, I think stock trim Evo 8 has the edge in the handling department ...

Did anyone look at those dyno sheets I posted? Am I even reading these correctly???

From about 3500-5000 rpms, you have max hp --- but it falls off after that pretty dramatically .. almost down to 200 whp at 6800 rpms.

Whereas torque was linearly increasing like a supercharger.

What am I missing here? It looks like the HP line should be the torque curve and the torque line should be the HP curve.

Plus, their dyno graphs are indicative of a supercharger ... rather than a TURBO...

what gives??? that's really weird IMO...am I missing something here?

I was noticing that too.

Weird graph.

Originally posted by Agamemnon
A simple suggestion if you want to know who is a better driver look at 1/4 Times if you want to see which car is faster judge it reaching a certain speed! For example look at 0-150mph :D One example would be comparing a 350Z with an EVo 8 or WRX STI The latter two would run 1 second quicker in the 1/4 mile but take it up to 150 and the Z will pull past them! So which car is faster?

Well, if anyone is interested, C&D listed the 0-130mph times for the EVO 8 and STi as 28.9 and 24.6 respectively. The E36 M3 goes 0-130mph anywhere from 29 to 33 seconds from the tests I've seen. So, if you take away the AWD launch advantage and go from a roll, the E36 M3 has a very good chance of staying even with, or beating an EVO. As for the 350Z...don't have those numbers handy but I'm guessing it's in the same ballpark, maybe a touch slower. What does all this mean? The STi is the car E36 M3 owners should be worried about! :)

I'm not too worried yet...

Me neither... :D

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Me neither... :D

But what happens when you've got to turn Dave?

Sorry, just had to, you'd likely make me look like a 15 year old girl with just a permit out on the drag strip. :stickoutt

It's not like the Z3 handles poorly, you know.... ;)

Originally posted by SilverStreak
It's not like the Z3 handles poorly, you know.... ;)

Oh, I wasn't questioning the car's performance....

More casting doubt on the nut behind the wheel getting a little confused when he has to take his foot OFF the gas.

:stickoutt

ive seen stock evos putting down 233whp on dynos already plus at etown ive seen a couple get into the 12s with basic crap ive also seen 2 trap over 110. i think 115 is the highest trap for an evo8 as of right now. not sure what it has done tho but probably not that much it is a dsm and pretty soon there are going to be alot of 11 sec one all around. them the sti and srt4 are going to be a dime a dozen

And some people are so quick at looking down on what a little Mitshu can do. :rolleyes:

I would disagree woodside, I think they need new turbo's. The turbo's right now, are at the limits of the efficiency parameter. You can't up the boost anymore, well, maybe 1-2 lbs; but, that ain't gonna generate 110+ trap speeds.

Plus, with Vishnu's stage IV, they are still only seeing around 270 awhp, again, that ain't going to get you into 110+ trap speed territory.

Maybe with 110 race fuel, bigger turbo's, etc... it can be done; but, it's a little more than just basic bolt-ons at that point.

Still, probably only about $5K worth of mods and they are trapping at 110+ ...:(

I would disagree woodside, I think they need new turbo's. The turbo's right now, are at the limits of the efficiency parameter. You can't up the boost anymore, well, maybe 1-2 lbs; but, that ain't gonna generate 110+ trap speeds.

Plus, with Vishnu's stage IV, they are still only seeing around 270 awhp, again, that ain't going to get you into 110+ trap speed territory.

Maybe with 110 race fuel, bigger turbo's, etc... it can be done; but, it's a little more than just basic bolt-ons at that point.

Still, probably only about $5K worth of mods and they are trapping at 110+ ...:(

Woodside. What was your 0-60 ft time when you ran a 13.8 @ 99? And you mentioned your car is stock? What kind of sea level did you run this at? I was just curious since up here in Atlanta, none of the M3s see 13s, and that most of them are modified. I had intake, UDP, chip, trackpipe, exhaust and a few weight reduction and still seeing 14s. I ran a 14.2 @ 98 w/ 2.3 0-60 ft @ Commerce Dragstrip.....very humid though

no soup i was wrong with them trapping 115 the highest so far is 112 ill check with vwsport. but this is the fastest one in the country. i think the quickest runs 12.4 as of now i think we have vids of them too.i was just stating there will be alot of them running 11s just becuase they are easy to make fast i didnt mean on stock turbos or with basic bolt-ons. but the 112 or 11 traps were on stock turbos i believe not entirely sure ill find out later. and arc my 60s were only 2.0 still room for improvement and my hometrack is at sea level =)

and the princess bride rocks

Originally posted by Def
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An ///M edition penis pump??? :clap: You guys crack me up.

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
I would disagree woodside, I think they need new turbo's. The turbo's right now, are at the limits of the efficiency parameter. You can't up the boost anymore, well, maybe 1-2 lbs; but, that ain't gonna generate 110+ trap speeds.

Plus, with Vishnu's stage IV, they are still only seeing around 270 awhp, again, that ain't going to get you into 110+ trap speed territory.

Maybe with 110 race fuel, bigger turbo's, etc... it can be done; but, it's a little more than just basic bolt-ons at that point.

Still, probably only about $5K worth of mods and they are trapping at 110+ ...:(

Not true, my friend runs the same turbo that comes on the EVO 8 (Small 16g) and he was running 25-26psi on race gas out of that turbo and put down 320whp/340tq with boltons.... So The 16g does have more breath.
His car is FWD and he ran 12.1 @ 110mph with a Small 16g (Low MPH due to small slicks)

Next besides the fact there are atleast 4 EVO 8's that are trapping about 110 already on stock turbos.
My personal friend, with these mods, Hallman BC (21psi drops to 20), KN Filter, S-AFC, Ultimate Racing 3in Turbo Back Exhaust
ran
12.41 @ 109.5
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=1330

12.42 @ 109.85
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=1331

Before he put the 3in Exhaust on he ran open downpipe an ran 12.57 @ 107.8 mph so on less then $600 in mods...

All 60fts where mid 1.7X's

So trust me when I say these cars will be in the 11's very soon with stock turbo's.... the cars trapping over 110, have bigger FMIC, and I beleive also pullies.

I thought the Evo 8 had a big 16g on it?:dunno Doesn't matter....I'm still getting one as soon as I close on this house. These bastards keep pushing it back.:mad:

NoSoup4U the turbos are 16g's on the Evo which I will guarentee they will trap well over 110mph. The stock dsm 14b's went over 110. All you need is 3" exhaust,s-afc,bigger IC pipes and you go 12's. The Evo is the next daily driven 11 sec car. Sti is crap.

Originally posted by black99
Sti is crap.

Ahhh, I like the way you think. Everyone makes a big deal about the Sti only because of it HP numbers. By all the magazines comparing the two, we should all know which car is the all around better car. I'll give up some speed for more handling anyday. Hell, I'll be doing it when I trade my Cobra in on a Evo next week.

STI 300hp and 300lb tq and statistics are almost identical to the EVO. A friend of mine just went 12.3 at 110 with the EVO with MBC,3"dp,afc and bov. That's 750 worth of mods and 2 hrs worth of labor. Evo is the clear import winner. I am selling my M3 to get the Evo. Sti is also very hard to work on.

Originally posted by Garissimo
An ///M edition penis pump??? :clap: You guys crack me up.

:buttrock :boobies

This is always really weird. What is up with BMW and Drag Racing. It's almost an oxymoron. People shouldn't buy BMW's to go straight fast! It's what litigations have done to the U.S. If everyone wasn't suing everybody, we could have tracks like the Nurburgring in our backyards and could settle disputes in a way that really tests the overall dynamics of a performance car. With Drag Racing, no matter how fast your BMW is, you'll always know there is a Chevy Big Block that can whup your ass.

BTW, the STi understeers like a pig in its stock form. It needs some suspension changes to step up to the Evo in the handling department. I'm glad cars like the Evo, 350z, Sti are stepping up! It at least puts BMW on its back so they can take it to the next level.

Originally posted by Corey
Ahhh, I like the way you think. Everyone makes a big deal about the Sti only because of it HP numbers. By all the magazines comparing the two, we should all know which car is the all around better car. I'll give up some speed for more handling anyday. Hell, I'll be doing it when I trade my Cobra in on a Evo next week.

I prefer the tried-and-true 4G63 rather than the untested EJ25 anyday :buttrock

People shouldn't buy BMW's to go straight fast!

What are you smoking??? We want it all. This is not just applicable to BMW owners. Why the hell do people buy BMW's .... for handling and performance and not speed.....HAH ... how many of them have actually been to an auto-x or track event to explore how well the BMW handles?? We all know that driving on the street is NOT the same ... and a person will never even go 7/10ths on the street.

Secondly, don't you think it's ironic as well that Evo 8 owners are going for 1320' runs ... when EVEN MORE clearly than BMW that the car is designed for the track and not for 1320' runs as well. I wonder how many Evo 8 owners will actually take their cars to the track/auto-x to see how the car actually handles. I can already see the argument, I don't want to crash my car ....

I will put money on a person driving an E30 that has track experience, would whup up on an Evo 8 driver or Sti driver.

Moreover, maybe I am looking at the wrong compressor maps. It looks like from the maps that the MAX psi you can boost is 21 lbs. Anything above that, it really does not seem like it would do anything ... that's just my interpretation of the turbo compressor maps. So, I don't see how people are using 25-26 psi.

But, then again, we all know that a DP, safc, intake, and EBC (or MBC) ... is usually good for around another 75 rwhp, or in this case, awhp .... I have no doubt they are trapping 110 mph ... but they need to trap higher than 120+ before I'll start worrying ... ;)

P.S. -- you DO need power though ... b/c equal drivers, the Evo 8 will just be faster than the E36 M3 at least .... b/c of its ability to pull away on the straights. On a technical course, I still think the Evo 8 will be better stock v. stock.

I'm curious to see if the Evo 8 will be an E46 M3 track killer. The weight of the E46 I think might give the Evo 8 the nod here.

Although, it will definitely be entertaining to see the FLAME wars between Evo 8 owners and STi owners. There is definitely no love lost b/w the two groups ... both hate each other with a passion ... :biglaughb

I'm a car guy. I like everyone no matter what they drive. I just don't like the looks of the STI.

Originally posted by black99
STI 300hp and 300lb tq and statistics are almost identical to the EVO. A friend of mine just went 12.3 at 110 with the EVO with MBC,3"dp,afc and bov. That's 750 worth of mods and 2 hrs worth of labor. Evo is the clear import winner. I am selling my M3 to get the Evo. Sti is also very hard to work on.

I sure hope your friend is Terry cause other wise I have to call bullshit on that... and if it is Terry, don't lie and make it seem like he has less mods and money into the car just to prove a point.

Cause his 3in Turboback system alone was $850, he has around $1400 into the car and is going 12.3-12.4 so you can't argue that. Type of bang for the buck

Also I already posted about 3 posts up so why repeat it... what I said...

I think the STI is gonna have similar results to the EVO but over a little longer time because it's a new motor.

Now for the person to say the BMW is not meant for dragging is just an Idiot. Any RWD car is more designed for drag racing then any FWD, and since 90% of the people never will Auto-X/Road Race why must people always use that damn lame excuse, because the funny thing is Road Racing is more DRIVER then the car cause an experience driver in say a miata will lap a rookie in an m3, however in drag racing even and experience driver in a Miata vs Rookie in M3, it will be easy for the M3 to pull away.

Everyone runs a stoplight race at some time so that making dragracing more prominant for BMW's..

If a Bone Stock E36 M3 can run 13.6-13.8 with good drivers I dunno why you say they aren't good for drag racing, most of the time it's bad drivers

Originally posted by SeattleE30///M3
This is always really weird. What is up with BMW and Drag Racing. It's almost an oxymoron. People shouldn't buy BMW's to go straight fast! It's what litigations have done to the U.S. If everyone wasn't suing everybody, we could have tracks like the Nurburgring in our backyards and could settle disputes in a way that really tests the overall dynamics of a performance car. With Drag Racing, no matter how fast your BMW is, you'll always know there is a Chevy Big Block that can whup your ass.

BTW, the STi understeers like a pig in its stock form. It needs some suspension changes to step up to the Evo in the handling department. I'm glad cars like the Evo, 350z, Sti are stepping up! It at least puts BMW on its back so they can take it to the next level.
Blasphemy!!! :D

You can make anything go fast or handle well, with enough money. To each their own. Being unique is fun...

PS-- Wanna race? :)

I'll race you SilverStreak ;)

Vwsport I didnt notice your post ahead of me otherwise I wouldnt have repeated what you have said. As far as Terry I was misinformed about his catback because when I spoke with a friend he said dp.

Originally posted by black99
Vwsport I didnt notice your post ahead of me otherwise I wouldnt have repeated what you have said. As far as Terry I was misinformed about his catback because when I spoke with a friend he said dp.

All good.. no problems.... glad we cleared it up

Tim

Originally posted by RalliArtRacer
I'll race you SilverStreak ;)

Might I suggest you bring more to the party... not to sound cocky, but knives in gunfights, and all that...

I don't know if you looked at SiverStreaks sig, but he runs 11's and I haven't heard of a Evo 8 reaching those times yet. All in all though, it should be fun.

The biggest advantage AWD high powered cars have is the holeshot/60' time. But I cut 1.6x's as a matter of routine with my DR's, so it's not like I'm deficient in that area, either.

I think someone tried to calculate my 0-60 mph times once, and came up with very low 4's for my car with my DR's... :dunno

Ok since I own an STi i will make some comments. First i have driven the hell out of the sti around curves and I have yet to feel the understeer all the magazines were talking about. I am not alone in this opinion either. I do feel the car tuck in a little when I am off the throttle. But I do not feel it "understeering like a pig"

also As far as the Sti being hard to work on. Give me a break. It's a boxer engine so all the belts and everything are right up in front and easy to access. Plus there is plenty of room in the engine compartment.

Right now Dan of Godspeed performance is getting over 300 whp with just a boost controller, intake, and a downpipe.

One thing you will notice about the STi is the lack of turbo lag. It is near non-existant. The 6 speed is notchy and gives plenty of feel back. The car sticks and brakes amazing.

I certinaly would not believe everything you read or hear from some people. Take a ride in it yourself and see. I have already given two BMW owners rides. A few cuss words passed their lips when they felt the power and handling.

Dan

Originally posted by Corey
I don't know if you looked at SiverStreaks sig, but he runs 11's and I haven't heard of a Evo 8 reaching those times yet. All in all though, it should be fun.


Perhaps you haven't heard of the Evo7 from Norris Designs in the UK, runs low 10's and tops out at 215mph.

It's the fastest Evo7 in the world

http://web.norrisdesigns.com/images/28_1.jpg

There's a EvoII in Australia that has ran a high 9 in the 0-400m just recently. The site is www.drag-evolution.net

And last but not least, JoCCe in Sweden has a Evo6 that would give much a lot of cars a run for it's money.

Note:The following site is in Swedish http://www.prospeed.nu/projects.SUPEREVO.asp

That's very nice, but you don't own one of those... ;)

Not yet anyways ;)

Hence my "knife to a gun fight" reference... ;)

Pepe, we're talking about Evos that are actually located in the US and driven by everyday folks, not some supercar with right-hand drive...

And this is an Evo7...

Originally posted by dlowman
Ok since I own an STi i will make some comments. First i have driven the hell out of the sti around curves and I have yet to feel the understeer all the magazines were talking about. I am not alone in this opinion either. I do feel the car tuck in a little when I am off the throttle. But I do not feel it "understeering like a pig"

also As far as the Sti being hard to work on. Give me a break. It's a boxer engine so all the belts and everything are right up in front and easy to access. Plus there is plenty of room in the engine compartment.

Right now Dan of Godspeed performance is getting over 300 whp with just a boost controller, intake, and a downpipe.

One thing you will notice about the STi is the lack of turbo lag. It is near non-existant. The 6 speed is notchy and gives plenty of feel back. The car sticks and brakes amazing.

I certinaly would not believe everything you read or hear from some people. Take a ride in it yourself and see. I have already given two BMW owners rides. A few cuss words passed their lips when they felt the power and handling.

Dan

Ohhh Oohhh!!! I want a ride! Pick me! Pick me! :wave:

I'll buy a pitcher after the drive, so it won't be a total waste of your time!

Originally posted by Hugo
And this is an Evo7...

Hugo, the Evo8 shares the same engine, transmission, as well as the chassis as the Evo7, minus the ACD and AYC. It would still be applied in this case.

I think he's referring to you and I racing our cars, as they are today, as we currently own them, etc.... ;)

Ralliart,

I traded licks once @ a guitar clinic against Nino Bettencourt of the now defunct (sp?) band Extreme @ my local music store. I was utilizing my Ibanez black guitar (low action) and did a block sweep and arpeggios to try and razzle dazzle him. He kicked my ass with an older (high action) Fender Strat when he did sweeps on the whole guitar neck and did it faster and utilized more modes than I would've known what to do with. He eats, sleeps, breathes guitar. Not to stroke Dave's ego more than he gets from some of the members here, but that's going to be the analogy I use if you try and drag race against him. Him being Nino Bettencourt. But to call Dave Jimi H. or Steve Vai would make his head swell.

I'll take that as a compliment! Thank you.

And I've met Nuno as well, he's a hell of a technician. As a guitar player myself, and one who considers himself lead guitarist first and foremost, I much appreciate the analogy. :guitarist

Nuno is good, but he's no Clapton, SRV, or Jimi... much respect, thank you... :)

You show me a picture of a car that obviously isn't yours. I don't care if the Evo runs 3's in the 1/4, you won't be bringing it to the gun and knife fight with SilverStreak. Either way, your Evo doesn't stand a chance.

BTW SliverStreak, I should be picking my Evo 8 up on Sat.:buttrock

Well duh those pictures aren't mine. When did I ever say they were? Besides, why drag race in the eVo? The Evo is a rally car NOT a drag car. I was just pointing out the potential it has, and yes it would be easily be able to run 11's while retaining its excellent handling capabilities. Much love to the 4G63.


P.S. The Blue one in my sig is obviously mine.

Corey, congrats!

Ralli, this line of posting originated when you said you'd be happy to drag race me back on like Page 2 or so. To which I indicated you might be out of your realm, etc...

At which time you started pulling cars other than yours out of nowhere...

It's very simple, run what you brung, and if ain't been run, it's ain't been done...

Originally posted by MFaust
Ralliart,

I traded licks once @ a guitar clinic against Nino Bettencourt of the now defunct (sp?) band Extreme @ my local music store. I was utilizing my Ibanez black guitar (low action) and did a block sweep and arpeggios to try and razzle dazzle him. He kicked my ass with an older (high action) Fender Strat when he did sweeps on the whole guitar neck and did it faster and utilized more modes than I would've known what to do with. He eats, sleeps, breathes guitar. Not to stroke Dave's ego more than he gets from some of the members here, but that's going to be the analogy I use if you try and drag race against him. Him being Nino Bettencourt. But to call Dave Jimi H. or Steve Vai would make his head swell.

He he he...didn't know anyone else here knew those kinds of terms. It's like watchine SRV playing those old POS strats...and I'm struggling on a Parker Fly..ha ha ha..

I've had it for a week, but due to just moving in to my new house I didn't have phone service yet. This car is just amazing. The steering makes my Cobra's feel like a old Kung Fu movie with the delayed sound.:laugh You could turn the wheel and about 4 seconds later it would finally turn.:laugh All though, it's not as fast, but it's a all around better performaer than my Cobra ever thought about.

Congrats, Corey! Enjoy it!

From a dead stop, I agree, Sean. But if you do that wussy from a roll crap, the Evo loses it's advantage...


Tell me how going from a roll is wussy...

You gotta understand Dave to realize why he doesn't agree with rolling start. And why the hell did you bring this thread back up?!?

No way guys -- I don't know what you are smoking. The Evo 8 should hand 99% of all E36 owners their ass. From a roll, from a stop, probably going in reverse ;). I would say that the Evo 8 has a good chance on pulling on many E46 M3 owners as well. I'm not sure the power/weight ratio; but, it HAS to favor the Evo 8.

Just b/c a car is turbo, doesn't mean there is this HUUUUGE lag. Maybe if a car is using a turbo built in the early 90's; but, things have improved quite a bit.... ;)

Even if the E36 M3 gets the jump from a 5 mph roll ... if you only race to 40 mph, of course, the E36 M3 might win; but, if you are talking a full-out race up to 100+, no way, the E36 M3 will be toast ... I'm wondering EVEN IF a person has 3.46 gearing, cams, headers, the works, if that is enough. I don't think so.

Turbo all the way, I like having the torque sensation of the turbo. I don't know what people are talking about lag ... I don't see any lag (if you come down, I'll let you drive it).

A supercharged car seems much more easier to drive though. I rode in a friend's SLK 32 amg and it was hella fast (I love that car), he ran a 12.63 1/4 time at 109 mph IIRC. We then jumped in my car and he said hands down my car felt ten times faster than his (lo-boost setting).

Actually, good people to ask is Russ and Jeff (kapolani and Jlee)... I let both of them drive my car before they got their AA s/c'ed vehicles. So, they could give a good idea of the difference.

With turbo though, you have a "whup-ass" boost level and a "I am inigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die" boost level ...

Well, your wrong my friend. I've raced several from a roll (40mph - 120) and its been a drivers race each time. This is stock vs. stock. Well, I have an intake.

Who knocked the dust off this thread? I just bought my Evo when this thread was first made and I bought my Evo in June. :lol:

Who knocked the dust off this thread? I just bought my Evo when this thread was first made and I bought my Evo in June. :lol:

you can thank cdriley.

The EVO and the STI that were at my auto-x were pulling almost identicle times although they were getting smoked by the E30 M3's and E46 M3's.

The EVO and the STI that were at my auto-x were pulling almost identicle times although they were getting smoked by the E30 M3's and E46 M3's.

The EVO and STI can't drive themselves. You make it sound the cars are driving themselves. :)

The thread is a year old. And running from a roll is fun and all, but as an accurate measure of anything worth comparing, it's not very useful.

Take it to the 1/4 mile drag strip where they have acurrate measuring equipment for anything meaningful for comparison's sake, etc.

If you just wanna run from a roll for the hell of it and have fun, go ahead, be safe, and knock yourself out...

But when someone challenges me to a "race", to me, that = run at the strip, not on the street, not from a roll (too many factors, gearing, less driver skill required, etc) and a "race" from a dead stop with everything being measured by accurate equipment, etc...

The thread is a year old. ...

............zzzzzzzzz :embarrasm :D

http://imvfilms.servehttp.com/IMVFilms/350z_TT_vs_Evo_VIII.wmv

you just answered your question... the trap speed is a very good indicator of power applied to the pavement... which is what speed is all about.

Everyone get your heads out of your asses :rolleyes:

SportCompactCar Magazine ( "Evo Orgy" )

Car - 1/4 mile/trap speed = 0-60 = lap time (not in order)
1. Stock RS - 13.3/101.3 = 4.8 = 1:01.5

2. Vishnu - 12.7/112.7 = 3.9 = 1:01.38
3. Works - 12.9/107.9 = 4.6 = 1:00.76
4. RB - 12.9/106.2 = 4.6 = 1:00.79
5. XS - 12.1/112.6 = 3.8 = 59.14
6. Toda - 11.5/117.1 = 3.5 = 59.37
7. RMR - 14.6/89.2 = 6.3 = 59.12
8. RRE - 12.8/104.3 = 4.2 = 59.01
9. Sparco - 11.9/118.3 = 3.7 = 58.08

*rmr's clutch was slipping during 1/4 mile and 0-60 testing.
*xs is using the "factory/stock" turbo.

Too bad Buschur and Dynoflash did not show...

Well here's some thing to think about. I beat an STI and EVO 8 by a very large gap of 2 seconds in a avg 35 second auto-x course. Guess what i was driving??














GIVE UP???
















2003 Mini Cooper S ALL STOCK Eat my exhaust you smurfosexuals!!!!

Congratulations once again you beat the driver not the car. I can show you where I dominated e36 m3s at the only autox I have ever entered doesnt mean the car handles better I just outdrove the driver.

[QUOTE=e21pilot]Well here's some thing to think about. I beat an STI and EVO 8 by a very large gap of 2 seconds in a avg 35 second auto-x course. Guess what i was driving??

Hate to burst your bubble but I beat my buddies Cooper S from a 30mph 2nd gear roll (2 times) with my wife's 2003 ML 350 - using the "autostick." :embarrasm

Food for thought in this now revived thread. $2000 will get you around 110 traps in an evo (with race gas). The stock turbo can and will support more than 20 psi of boost too. Recently someone went 11.5 @ 119 on the stock turbo (race gas, no nitrous). With bolt-on turbo kits, there are a bunch of evos now in the 10's and one deep into the 9's. Modding is cheap too, I should know. :evil2

If anyone wants to check out some of the faster Evos (and STI/WRX's) in action, check out the Evo VS. WRX event at Englishtown on 9/11. I will be there racing, and I should be MUCH faster than my last time at the track (12.9 @ 104 on pump gas).

http://www.etownraceway.com/main/04events/SW3-back04.jpg

The new evo's are not that impressive on the highway being 4 wheel drive, they are the best off starts and around turns but on the highway a stock m3 would pull on it.

nice story!

I just watched a M3 run in the 1/8 a couple weeks ago and seen it wa only trapping 82mph. I thought they trapped a bit faster. My Evo was trapping that with just a downpipe and cat back.

All you guys that say you beat Evo's and Sti's all day long at autocross events are retarded. If you have somewhat a quick car and are just a better driver than the Evo and Sti owner there isn't any reason you shouldn't win. Remember....cars can't drive themselves. There has to be some skill behind the steering wheel.

The new evo's are not that impressive on the highway being 4 wheel drive, they are the best off starts and around turns but on the highway a stock m3 would pull on it.Have you (JeremySuhre)driven a stck M3 and raced it against an EVO on the highway?





I'll pass on this thread.This one becomes too emotional for me. I think everyone in this thread should go to a mitsu dealer and test drive an EVO for themselves if they have never driven one.Too much speculation here! BUT I do know what they can do and what they are capable of doing to an M3. M5 against an(EVO) on the highway can be a different story!I'm a member of this great forum,as I am a member of the dsmtuner forum,and the MBworld forum,and the w202(AMGC43)forum.I own all of these cars because I'm a car fanatic.I love them ,I really do.They are my kids LOL! :stickoutt And I feel that I'm talking with some actual (driven in the car or witness type of experience). Try racing a heavily modded fwd Eclipse! chk out www.clubdsm.com and chk out the time slips.
We do alot of 1/4 mile racing and 1 mile races out here with DSM's ,EVO's,Supra TT's ,AMG's and a few M5's.




An M5 Yes but an E36 M3 with few bolt ons vs a Modded EVO, HELL NO,Modded E46 NO. Highway run against an M5,you(EVO) had better be on your P's and Q's.M5 and E55 non FI and FI are BEAST's!But I have seen these cars get beaten and Win in the mile against DSM's. Again we dont want to talk about speculation but about people who have driven and seen all these events in action.


Finally,DON'T SLEEP ON THE EVO!! This one is too emotional for me! So I say syanara !Happy People!! Any car that can run low 13sec x's in the1/4 (stck) to me should run like a banchee on the highway.

I don't know if you looked at SiverStreaks sig, but he runs 11's and I haven't heard of a Evo 8 reaching those times yet. All in all though, it should be fun.No! where have you been?Quite a few are running 10'sand high nines. www.turbotrix.com.

No! where have you been?Quite a few arerunning 10'sand high nines. www.turbotrix.com.

Hey buddy...calm down. If you can see the date that my post was posted you'd see that was when the Evo's were first in the 11's. I know there are Evo's running low 10's and high 9's now, but when I posted that they weren't. That was posted almost a year ago or more.

I personally have not drivin a evo but i have a m3, i rode in the evo on the highway and was not that impressed. It may just have been me though.

I have seen a modded evo run 11.1 last night (don't remember the trapspeed though) they have some awsome power :) In normal highwayruns I usually beat the evo's and STI's. (with euro M3 that is)

Hey buddy...calm down. If you can see the date that my post was posted you'd see that was when the Evo's were first in the 11's. I know there are Evo's running low 10's and high 9's now, but when I posted that they weren't. That was posted almost a year ago or more. Oh,Hey you're right!Sorry Corey,didnt pay any attention to the dates.I mentioned this topic would be a lil emotional for me. :D


I'm a die hard DSM guy.I've owned one since 1994.I'm on my 3rd.(1 1st gen,2 2nd gen's) I only recently got into the MB ,BMW situation.Drove my buddy's modded(chip,exhaust,intake) 97 M3 back in 1999 and got hooked.Car was damn fast for an automatic.Was a triptronic.Handled like a dream.I had to have one someday but had to take care of my priorities.(purchasing a home and other realestate).I was in a Benzo dealer that same year when I first noticed the AMG C43 and I loved it.The V8 is insane and its a pleasure to drive.I knew I was going to get one eventually but again I had too many prorities.My parents own MB' s so I've always liked them but now Pop's has a 2003 Acura TL type S.This car is awesome.He'll be purchasing the new one(2005).Now,when all is said and done I will try to get the new C55 and hopefully an E46 M3 or a 2003 M5.Believe me,I am very very tempted to buy an EVO.I'll be selling the AMG and M3 next spring.Got the Benzo(45,000 miles) in Feb 04,the 325 (181,000miles but clean as hell)June 04,99 M3(37,000 miles) in July04 and I enjoy the hell out of all of them.Crazee car fanatic.Converting the 325 to a 332 though.Keeping this and the DSM.I have owned my 95 Talon since 1999 and have modded the hell out of it. They (325 and Talon)are my personnal projects.


Basically,to make a long story short(if thats even possible :D ) I have driven,raced ,experienced and appreciate many different cars.I've driven friends cars,even raced them so I try to say things based on exerience not personnal biased speculation or mag reading.Now I'm not saying everybody does this,but there are a majority here that do this.
Just go and drive as many cars as you can and see for yourselves.

Corey,welcome to the 4g63 club. A lil late on my part.LOL! As you know this war happens between the DSM's vs EVO's and STI's as well.And I get flack on Mb wrld and the w202 forum about my bimmers.Too much personnal bias with no experiential knowledge. It gets annoying. I love the EVO though.How do you like your EVO? Since you now own an EVO and I assume still own or owned a BMW how would you compare it to the e36 & e46 M3 performance wise? You seemed to have owned some nice cars.

I have seen a modded evo run 11.1 last night (don't remember the trapspeed though) they have some awsome power :) In normal highwayruns I usually beat the evo's and STI's. (with euro M3 that is) Yea well your car's a beast.321 hp's assuming its a 3.2L. vs 2.0L 4 cyl 270 -280 hp's. I love your car though.Different kind of M3 animal. :)

I owned a 2000 pheonix yellow Type-R and a 1993 Civiv hatchback with a B16 swap long before I had my Evo. I was a big Honda guy for about 3 years or so. Actully longer, I just couldn't afford the ones I wanted til I got out of school and got my job.

I work for Ford Motor Co. so being I work there and get a good discount on cars I decided to try some V8 power. Could go with the lonely GT though. I went and traded my ITR and sold the hatch and got myself a Zinc yellow 03' Cobra. :) I left it stock and at 1500 miles I decided I was gonna dyno it just to see how underrated they were. To mine and the owner of the dynos surprise it laid down 390 whp and 375 trq totally stock. :evil2 The car was just sick to drive. I actuall felt like people were afraid of me and actually took me a bit more serious owning the Cobra. After about 7 months though I started having some problems with the car and the dealerships around here and I got fed up and went back to me 4 cylinder roots, but after having torque I wasn't gonna go back to a NA 4 banger.

That is where the EVO came into play. Mitsu dealer gave me 29K for my Cobra and I traded it in the day after I closed on my house back in June of 2003. since purchasing it, I've done nothing but do research for the best parts and setup for my car. I want a good all around car to drive around town. Nothing with a bunch of lag and all. I'm keeping the stock turbo. Hitting full boost at 2800 rpm's is great. You have to remember why I feel like that though....I didn't have lag in the Cobra. It had instant boost. :evil2 Last time I dynoed my Evo it was making more torque than horsepower and that is the way I like to keep it.

Do a search on here. I posted some pics a while back of my car. I got nothing but good comments from all the Beemer guys.

I've never owned a BMW. I've always liked them, but they always seemed to comfy for me. I like raw cars. I don't care about tire noise, the ride, the interior, road noise and all that. I'm a car enthusiast just like everyone else and I basically troll around on different boards. Not to stir up trouble or anything, just to mainly learn and meet new people. :buttrock

Corey, well put, the raw feeling you describe is what I like and why I sometimes contemplate selling the M3.

I owned a 2000 pheonix yellow Type-R and a 1993 Civiv hatchback with a B16 swap long before I had my Evo. I was a big Honda guy for about 3 years or so. Actully longer, I just couldn't afford the ones I wanted til I got out of school and got my job.

I work for Ford Motor Co. so being I work there and get a good discount on cars I decided to try some V8 power. Could go with the lonely GT though. I went and traded my ITR and sold the hatch and got myself a Zinc yellow 03' Cobra. :) I left it stock and at 1500 miles I decided I was gonna dyno it just to see how underrated they were. To mine and the owner of the dynos surprise it laid down 390 whp and 375 trq totally stock. :evil2 The car was just sick to drive. I actuall felt like people were afraid of me and actually took me a bit more serious owning the Cobra. After about 7 months though I started having some problems with the car and the dealerships around here and I got fed up and went back to me 4 cylinder roots, but after having torque I wasn't gonna go back to a NA 4 banger.

That is where the EVO came into play. Mitsu dealer gave me 29K for my Cobra and I traded it in the day after I closed on my house back in June of 2003. since purchasing it, I've done nothing but do research for the best parts and setup for my car. I want a good all around car to drive around town. Nothing with a bunch of lag and all. I'm keeping the stock turbo. Hitting full boost at 2800 rpm's is great. You have to remember why I feel like that though....I didn't have lag in the Cobra. It had instant boost. :evil2 Last time I dynoed my Evo it was making more torque than horsepower and that is the way I like to keep it.

Do a search on here. I posted some pics a while back of my car. I got nothing but good comments from all the Beemer guys.

I've never owned a BMW. I've always liked them, but they always seemed to comfy for me. I like raw cars. I don't care about tire noise, the ride, the interior, road noise and all that. I'm a car enthusiast just like everyone else and I basically troll around on different boards. Not to stir up trouble or anything, just to mainly learn and meet new people. :buttrockWow Tein springs and 18"volk rims.Car must be a beauty.I saw one at turbotrix make 340hp at the wheels on their dyno.Car was equiped with stck turbo,reflashed ecu,injectors,cat back exhaust stck downpipe,intercooler pipes,and fuel pump. Boost was set for 21psi.Impressive.Too tempting.

My boost is set at the recommended 20.5 for the tune I have. I'm not sure what the HP is at my car, but I don't think it is making 340 HP like the EVO you saw. I'm probably close to 300whp. I do plan on getting a custom street tune for my car here in the near future. It will be a more of a aggressive tune as to just the mail in reflash I have now. There are guys running 11's with the stock intercooler, injectors, and turbo so I don't see a reason for upgrading any of them at the time. I'll be getting HKS cam gears sometime down the road and then the HKS 264's with be going in my car. That should put me at about 320-330 whp. That should make for a nice street machine. Ecspecially from a light. :evil2 :buttrock

Food for thought in this now revived thread. $2000 will get you around 110 traps in an evo (with race gas). The stock turbo can and will support more than 20 psi of boost too. Recently someone went 11.5 @ 119 on the stock turbo (race gas, no nitrous). With bolt-on turbo kits, there are a bunch of evos now in the 10's and one deep into the 9's. Modding is cheap too, I should know. :evil2

If anyone wants to check out some of the faster Evos (and STI/WRX's) in action, check out the Evo VS. WRX event at Englishtown on 9/11. I will be there racing, and I should be MUCH faster than my last time at the track (12.9 @ 104 on pump gas).

http://www.etownraceway.com/main/04events/SW3-back04.jpg

I will be there...

Holy dead thread batman :eek

Evo 8 is a great car -- but, not that many people track or auto-x them it seems around the mid-atlantic region. Most are into the whole, "let's see how fast the car can go in a straight-line" type of thinking.

Kind of a shame IMO -- it's like M3 owners slapping a turbo on their car to make them go fast in a straightline ... :devillook

Yeah, I know, look who's calling the kettle black :stickoutt ... I'm out of that now though ... to much PITA to boost a BMW and track it reliably.

Evo vs my LS1 on the highway. We both run identical 13.2s but hes at 103 im at 109. http://www.cprace.com/videos.html E36 M3's dont fare as well as he does.

Evo held it's own for a while. He would have held it alot longer if you all went from a dig. Good runs. Your car sound really good. :)

.. you be surprised how many hooked up evo8s are in rockville area now...

1 evo8 430rwhp
2 evo8 490rwhp going for 600rwhp
3 evo8 400rwhp

im just scared of them now.. lol