Not a race really, but there is no other place to find people who I've played around with on the streets other than here.

I'm positive it was an E46 M3 this time! My drives into work are getting to be more and more fun. I think the word is out that there is this black 350z (me) heading to work at 9:30-9:50 every night on 360 so everyone is hunting for me ;) This GS400 (430, dunno, just know it was a GS body) revs at the light at 360 and 183. We wanted to play, but kept getting stuck in traffic. We were working our way through, when we meet up with this M3. So here we are, 3 sets of Xenons trying to get to the front of this pack of cars, me in front, GS behind, then M3 behind him. We finally break through, GS I guess turned off at some point, or decided to stop playing. We get into the open finally as 2222 branches off and I shoot to the right lane and take off with the M3 in tow. We get up to about 120 or so between 2222 and the light right before the bridge. Light is red, and nobody is at it. I pull up in the left lane, he pulls up right behind me (guess he didn't want to race from a stop). So the light goes green and I launch and pull quite a bit ahead of him, he didn't launch or even really race I don't think. I back off at the speed limit, around 65. he pulls up hard in the right lane to pass me, I punch it when he's even with me and we take off downhill down the bridge. I matched his speed (I think he backed off to let me, he was coming up on me pretty hard, I shouldn't have caught his speed so easily). We hit near 100 before the end of the downhill part. We are both almost side by side up to 130 or so, we were on it all the way to the top of the hill. We were creeping up in speed because it's a steep incline. If it was flat we'd have hit 150 easily as long as we were at full throttle. We backed off at the top of the hill and he dropped behind me to take a left at that light by the shopping center.

It was pretty dumb, not usually into the high speed thing, but there was nobody at all around. We had just had a 350z meet and had 10 350s and 2 G35c's, so I was a bit "rarin' to go" ;)

If you post here, it was fun. 360 is becoming BMW alley for me on my drive to work, you guys are gonna put me in jail! Oh man, that reminds me, about 1 mile up the road past where he turned off there was a cop that had just pulled over somebody. I couldn't see the car in front of him, so I was just waiting for this cop to pull out because he had been radio'd I was coming or something. Luckily there was a car in front of him. If we had been 5 minutes earlier we would both be in jail right now most likely, yikes!

The 350z is a great bang-for-buck car, but by sports car standards, it's pretty slow. An E46 M3 (which doesn't even purport to be a sports car) would hand you your hat (or would that be a**) onroad or on the track, if the driver were merely competent and willing...

Originally posted by Number9
The 350z is a great bang-for-buck car, but by sports car standards, it's pretty slow. An E46 M3 (which doesn't even purport to be a sports car) would hand you your hat (or would that be a**) onroad or on the track, if the driver were merely competent and willing...

0-60 5.2-5.4, quarter in 13.64 at 102 is slow? I shouldn't even get into this, because I said it was not a race, it was just a post about a car I had some fun with.

I am pretty confident an E46 M3 vs a 350z is down to drivers skill, with an excellent driver in each car, the M3 would win in a straightline race. I could sit here and quote articles, talk about the best motoring video where the Z beats the M3, but who cares man? It was a post in fun, wasn't meant to be competitive, both are great cars and I love M3s, considered getting one instead of the Z in fact.

Not trying to come back at you harshly, just don't take my post negatively, it was just a post, not a kill.

P.S. - I know this is your "home" so a degree of extra grief dealt towards me is to be expected, I know that. FYI, I don't even post these things on my350z.com, just mainly trying to chat with the people I played with on the street. My intention is purely as a car enthusiast, not anything more.

Originally posted by Rob Nance
0-60 5.2-5.4, quarter in 13.64 at 102 is slow?
I'm warped, so I do think that's slow, but as I noted, the 350z is a great car. Have fun with it. :buttrock

Originally posted by Rob Nance
0-60 5.2-5.4, quarter in 13.64 at 102 is slow? I shouldn't even get into this, because I said it was not a race, it was just a post about a car I had some fun with.

I am pretty confident an E46 M3 vs a 350z is down to drivers skill, with an excellent driver in each car, the M3 would win in a straightline race. I could sit here and quote articles, talk about the best motoring video where the Z beats the M3, but who cares man? It was a post in fun, wasn't meant to be competitive, both are great cars and I love M3s, considered getting one instead of the Z in fact.

Not trying to come back at you harshly, just don't take my post negatively, it was just a post, not a kill.

P.S. - I know this is your "home" so a degree of extra grief dealt towards me is to be expected, I know that. FYI, I don't even post these things on my350z.com, just mainly trying to chat with the people I played with on the street. My intention is purely as a car enthusiast, not anything more.


I agree with your post above and will say welcome to you. That 13.6 350Z time is quite impressive based on what I hear they generally run, closer to 14 flat. If you want to talk that talk though, an E46 M3, in the right hands, runs high 12's.....nowhere near a close race between those 2 cars....now an E36 M3....you're talking a drivers race now. Not a flame, just the truth....BTW, sounds like a nice color combo you got there.....gotta love black:wave:

ummmm..... M3 isnt a sports car? Then BMW doesnt make a sports car? He didnt mean anything bad towards the M3 and admitted that he would prolly lose to a good driver.

Nance- Go buy the Greddy TT for your Z and hand the M3 its "hat." You would prolly be at how much a fully loaded M3 costs even with the turbos.

Originally posted by MisterSLOW
ummmm..... M3 isnt a sports car? Then BMW doesnt make a sports car?
I have an uber-modified M3, but it's still not a sports car. BMW does make a Z8 though. See dictionary.com:

sports car
n.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.

I'd be happy to run a Greddy 350z in my not-sports-car M3 or my Honda sports car though...

Originally posted by Number9


I'd be happy to run a Greddy 350z in my not-sports-car M3 or my Honda sports car though...

I'm sure you would...hehe. I already know how a 300hp near stock 2000 NSX feels and I'm sure your charged Zanardi would decimate any 350Z....turbo'd or not.:astromile

Originally posted by MisterSLOW
ummmm..... M3 isnt a sports car? Then BMW doesnt make a sports car? He didnt mean anything bad towards the M3 and admitted that he would prolly lose to a good driver.

Nance- Go buy the Greddy TT for your Z and hand the M3 its "hat." You would prolly be at how much a fully loaded M3 costs even with the turbos.

Thanks, but no need to defend me, he didn't mean anything by it. It's completely natural and normal to be slightly on the defensive in your "home" message board. I am fully aware I am an outsider here, but you guys have proven to have interesting stories and to be good car enthusiasts, that's what brought me here :)

Yeah, that greddy TT setup looks to be the most respected turbo option coming out so far. We'll have to see the final product. They are talking early summer, but are still questioning their turbo choice. They actually had to use restrictor plates because they don't want to push to much boost on the stock internals. I'd be real happy with 350hp to the rear wheels like they are producing. Would be nice if they could offer the kit with intercooler and be reliable for $5k uninstalled, but that's not likely to happen. Looks to be around $7-8k + labor for a solid setup from them.

Maybe in a few years, after the powertrain warranty is up and the economy for my sector, and the economy in general turns around. Until now I'll watch all the front runners have fun and weed out the bad offerrings from various companies.

Nimble: yeah, I love my color combo, thanks!

Hey Rob, we should run sometime. Not an E46 M3, but should be fun anyway. We could to a straight line run, and maybe a run out at Lime Creek or at least city park road.

I drive everyday down 2222 from Mopac, to 360 south. I think I may have come across you once or twice.

I barely beat out a 350z when I was NA.

Now that I went FI it's not even close.

What are the numbers coming out for the 350z's that are blown?

I'm still not sold on the looks of it, but it's slowly growing on me.

Hey Rob, fun story.

By the way, #9, by your definition, my car is a sports car... :D

Also, Rob:

"I am pretty confident an E46 M3 vs a 350z is down to drivers skill"

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. At the extremes, the best 1/4 mile times seen for the 350Z have been mid 13's, where most guys have trouble getting out of the 14's.

With the E46 M3, most guys are running low 13's, and on the extremes we've seen a few folks run 12.7-12.8's...

With that in mind they are roughly 1 second apart in the 1/4 mile, which is a pretty big difference...

Also, Rob, question for you, did you actually run 13.6 at 102 in your car, or is that with the times corrected?

Originally posted by Rob Nance
0-60 5.2-5.4, quarter in 13.64 at 102 is slow? I shouldn't even get into this, because I said it was not a race, it was just a post about a car I had some fun with.

Did you run these times or someone you know? :eek:

At any rate, those are incredible.


Originally posted by Rob Nance
I am pretty confident an E46 M3 vs a 350z is down to drivers skill

:laugh

I think you meant E36...

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Also, Ron, question for you, did you actually run 13.6 at 102 in your car, or is that with the times corrected?

roN!?!?!?!

Jeez... there ya go again, Dave.

:(

Sorry, Ron, the "n" and "b" are right next to each other on the keyboard.

And if I read the other post, I think those 13.6 at 102 mph are Rob's corrected times- which as you know, I'm not a fan of, report what you actually ran, nothing more, nothing less...

Meaning, not to be harsh, if you ran a 14.0, you ran a 14.0. Correction factors are a less than exact science, and hold no water in the real world...

Whuuuuuuuuuuuuut? :confused:

"Corrected times"? :95

I am not familiar with these, nor would I put any stock in them. Hell, I'd like to know what my corrected times where for my runs at the strip, so I can report something in the 13s. :D

Originally posted by Rob Nance
I have run 14 flat w/ a 2.08 60 foot in 87 degrees and 70% humidity. Using the corrections those mags use that is a 13.64 at 102mph corrected.

From the Texas E46 M3 vs 350Z post below....

Ahhh... Ron's just jealous that someone else is running 13's ... :biglaughb ... in any form, corrected or not....

:biglaughb :biglaughb :wave:

Who knows ... each drive/race, whatever you want to call it, especially from a roll can mean anything. I've kept up with E46 M3's in a relatively stock M3 ... should that have happened? No.

Did it -- yes. I guess there are more drivers like Ron17 out there than I thought .... :biglaughb :biglaughb ...

Heheheh... pick on Ron day ...today :D

P.S... since Ly saw one run a 13.7 with a 2.0 something 60 ft. time (uncorrected), 13.5-13.6 at 102+ is not out of the question.

Son of a!!

:(

Thank you, sir, may I have another?

Now, now, you "correct" Ron's times he'd be in the 13's, too... ;)

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Sorry, Ron, the "n" and "b" are right next to each other on the keyboard.

And if I read the other post, I think those 13.6 at 102 mph are Rob's corrected times- which as you know, I'm not a fan of, report what you actually ran, nothing more, nothing less...

Meaning, not to be harsh, if you ran a 14.0, you ran a 14.0. Correction factors are a less than exact science, and hold no water in the real world...

Well, the thing is, it's corrected times, or wait until the fall for me. 87 degrees at 70% humidity was what that 14.08 at 98mph run was made at, 2.08 60 foot. The two guys I went with were running about 2 to 3 tenths of a second faster the previous time they went, and I was running about 2-3 tenths faster than them. I am really confident I would have been running 13.7 roughly, if I had been there.

Sucks to be in Texas. I'm hoping we can get a cool dry day sometime when a freak cold front comes through, if one does. For reference, there was an 03 cobra that was launching great, but couldn't get into the 12's I'm pretty sure. He might have dipped in once.

It's all pointless though, because everyone thinks they are great at the dragstrip, and until I can meet up with one of you all, it's all conjecture. I know that in perfect weather the Z in the best hands can run around 13.6 to 13.7. My corrected time was right in there, and I know my skill level.

Just for future reference, though, to save you some grief with the hardcore drag racing set, never quote corrected times.

If it ain't been run, it ain't been done, plain and simple.

If you haven't put your car, personally, into the 13's, it ain't been done yet.

Lats summer in 82 degree heat and 95% humidity I ran an 11.95 at 114.1 mph. I'm sure if you corrected that, it's better than my best time I have actually run (11.71 at 115.6 mph) cuz I had a better 60', etc.

But it ain't been done. Until I break 11.71, that's the best I can do...

What Dave said...

:stickoutt

Originally posted by Rob Nance

<snip>Yeah, that greddy TT setup looks to be the most respected turbo option coming out so far. We'll have to see the final product. They are talking early summer, but are still questioning their turbo choice. They actually had to use restrictor plates because they don't want to push to much boost on the stock internals. I'd be real happy with 350hp to the rear wheels like they are producing. Would be nice if they could offer the kit with intercooler and be reliable for $5k uninstalled, but that's not likely to happen. Looks to be around $7-8k + labor for a solid setup from them.

Maybe in a few years, after the powertrain warranty is up and the economy for my sector, and the economy in general turns around. Until now I'll watch all the front runners have fun and weed out the bad offerrings from various companies.



You probably already know this being a Z owner, but just in case, there are now products on the market for upgrading the VQ35 internals should you be so inclined:

http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/electronics4.html

The folks from SGPRacing say that "Both Tomei and JUN are working on the heavy duty valve springs and we are in the works on the Titanium retainers and bronze valve guides."

Since the M3 vs 350Z power output differential is largely a function of hp rather than torque (where they're pretty close), in theory, if you can keep the VQ together and spin it faster while maintaining some semblance of power, things get a lot more interesting (assuming you were interested in going the NA route). At least you're in the admirable position of owning a good RWD platform to begin with. I've got a humble good-ol' fwd family sedan that will have inherent limitations by design.

I find it hilarious how someone can say they run a 14.08 or whatever and are confident that the car will do 13.7.. these people have no clue how big of a difference and how hard it is to drop from 14 to 13.7...


i'm sorry but the flag is coming out.... you are door to door with an e46 M3 up to 130+ ?:bs:


stock e46 m3 and stock 350z... 350z will get its ass handed to them 99 out of 100 times.

Originally posted by Brent_Hockey
I find it hilarious how someone can say they run a 14.08 or whatever and are confident that the car will do 13.7.. these people have no clue how big of a difference and how hard it is to drop from 14 to 13.7...

i'm sorry but the flag is coming out.... you are door to door with an e46 M3 up to 130+ ?:bs:

stock e46 m3 and stock 350z... 350z will get its ass handed to them 99 out of 100 times.

Fu**, I am so sick of being civil. Let me explain this for you, since reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

You know what I find hilarious, "these people" who think that they are drag experts and that everyone else must be an idiot. I have plenty of drag racing experience, in all kinds of vehicles, I know where my skill level sits at, how about you? feeling a bit inadequate? It is not a matter of "me" dropping to 13.7. Do you think the rules of internal combustion don't apply at the drag strip? 70% humidity alone is going to produce much less horsepower, 87 degrees is going to produce much less horsepower. I have seen 350z timeslips from good weather runs with worse 60 foots, worse 330 foots, then they magically close the gap the rest of the track. and have a 4 mile an hour trap speed. Barring my car is not a lemon and it would just dyno way lower, then something gives, ya think? Plenty of people have run uncorrected 13s, as low as 13.6 from what I have seen posted (scanned timeslips).

Now for the E46 M3 up to 130. Did you read the post? We were going up about a 25-30 degree incline for about 1/2 a mile. Silverstreak or someone else who can use their brain (not this guy), wouldn't you agree that a slightly heavier E46 going uphill might be slower than usual? Partly because of the weight, partly because it has less torque? Torque is definitely a factor when going uphill. If not, I guess this guy was backing his foot off a tiny bit while going up a hill at 130 miles an hour and still concentrating on the road so he could stay side by side with me? Yeah, I bet that was it.

All this crap said, it's like you're so starved for conflict you have to find the one part in the post where I said we were actually "racing" the rest was just goofing around. Congratulations on being an idiot.

Rob, the only person i know running a 13.6x is Webcarconnection over at My350z.com(where you're a member of). That's in Puerto Rico where i believe the track is not to far above sea level. Plus he's putting down a bit more to the wheels than a stock Z. The only better times i've seen have been a 13.4x and a 13.1x, but both were on the giggle gas.

If you know of any others running better than that, i'd like to know, as i'm interested in what their set-ups are.

Also Brent, in defense of Rob, I don't think he's claiming he can simply chop 4 tenths off his time, we were discussing the merits of corrected times versus actual times, etc...

As for the rest of his story, none of us were there, it was a street race, I have no reason to doubt him, he's been a straight up guy here up to this point, and he seems knowledgeable, and like a nice dude. Props for a good/fun run....

13.64 timeslip from a STOCK 350Z? I think not. Modded maybe...

a guy here in Houston used a close to stock e36 M3 and got 13.5x or 13.6x and his timeslip is around here somewhere...no reason to think a stock 350z is incapable of doing the same in my opinion...am i missing something here? as for the 350z vs the e46 m3 assuming the same driver...i think the 350 is outclassed and is really in e36 category....that being said i think Rob was neck and neck like he said and i dont think he has any reason to lie...i have outrun cars i KNOW i was outclassed by and the other engine was screaming....its 90% driver i think....
Kevin

Originally posted by kevin7909
a guy here in Houston used a close to stock e36 M3 and got 13.5x or 13.6x and his timeslip is around here somewhere...no reason to think a stock 350z is incapable of doing the same in my opinion...am i missing something here? as for the 350z vs the e46 m3 assuming the same driver...i think the 350 is outclassed and is really in e36 category....that being said i think Rob was neck and neck like he said and i dont think he has any reason to lie...i have outrun cars i KNOW i was outclassed by and the other engine was screaming....its 90% driver i think....
Kevin

I definitely agree that in the quarter mile the E46 driver would have to be braindead to not beat me. I guess when I had previously said "most things are a drivers race" I was thinking in a run from a stoplight to 60-70, I wholy believe that it's more of a drivers race and less capable cars can make up the defecit with a great launch.

As for that uphill battle, I think that was just because it was uphill, combine that with the extra weight and lower torque allowed me to stick side-by-side. Flat ground he could have gone up ahead, gotten gas, and then passed me again ;)

Rob, what is the C/R of the 350Z? If it is low enough I sure you can run some nice boost.

o yeah Rob i am definitely on your side on this one as i have had the same experience with much more powerful cars as well...heck i have outrun cars in my T100 truck and for those who dont know this truck, u could outrun it on foot!!!...they usually get me inthe straights but i catch em in the twisties...hahahahaha :)
Kevin

Originally posted by r6e36
13.64 timeslip from a STOCK 350Z? I think not. Modded maybe...

If you re-read, that 13.64 was not a timeslip, it was a "corrected" time estimate for the air density, etc.

Silver can u please go into detail on how corrected time slips work? whats the reference being used?

Kevin
who is ignorant of how corrected times work and why they are used

That's the problem with corrected times, Kev. There are 2-3 different methods used for corrected times, but in essense what they are trying to account for is air density (which is arrived at by the elevation of a given track, the temps, and humidity, on a given day, etc...).

Magazines use them, often, and use the same formula, and try to use the same track, for the sake of consistency, etc.

But when comparing real world times at different tracks, and throwing in correction factors, it just gets convoluted, and becomes useless and inaccurate.

That's why you'll hear me say stuff like if it ain't been run, it ain't been done, etc. I don't put a lot of stock into corrected times. And guys who quote corrected times in lieu of their actual times catch a lot of grief from the "drag racer" types...

sorry if i'm being an ass here, but....i understand the above and u state that the air density is taken into account...ok....fair enough...whats the reference, sea level? if so is the point of corrected times to show what the car COULD run with the same driver if said driver has the EXACT same launch and overall run through the gears if the same track is at sea level and the conditions for the ICE is perfect?
thanks again...
Kevin

Reference is sea level, 60 degrees, 0 percent humidity. All it does is re-figures the run on a scale without the power lost by higher temperatures/humidity/elevation.

Here's a link:

http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_da.htm

You can get all that info from weather.com

THANKS Rob..i understood that it is based on some calculation from Silver's post, he just never stated what the reference was...now u have filled that in for me...
thanks again..

Kevin
who is now not totally ignorant of scaling times

That's cuz there are several different correction formulas out there, some are sea level, 60 degrees and 0 humidity, others are 100 ft, 65 degrees, and 25% humidity, etc, and so on.

It depends. Every magazine seems to employ a different formula....

it kinda seems pointless then :(...kinda like amp THD specs....o well....THANKS guys....
Kevin

Originally posted by kevin7909
it kinda seems pointless then :(...kinda like amp THD specs....o well....THANKS guys....
Kevin

Not really, electronic distortion doesn't vary depending on different temperatures or humidity.

I know most people don't respect the concept, I understand that. You have to understand my point of view though. I am very competitive and I know I am skilled behind the wheel, yet I have no way to prove or relate that to others with my car because of the weather where I live. I can at the track, because I was beating all the cars I should be able to. There were 4.6 Mustang GTs running 14.4-15.5 for crying out loud, lol. Everyone was running much higher ETs and lower trap speeds than they should. There is no denying that.

Oh well, I'm hoping and watching for a cold front on a Wednesday or Friday. The problem is that the only hope of having a "cool" day is going to require the run to be made in the evening or on a day that is overcast. I can maybe get a low humidity or a low temp, but I doubt I can get both until the fall. It's naturally more humid at night, is what I am referring to.

Rob:
not taking anything away from u at all and i see where your coming from....hope u hit low 13's uncorrected on your next run....
Kevin

:bs:

Originally posted by DonJuan
:bs:

Hey Hemingway, try not to be so verbose next time.

Ok, let me think of a way to debate your post...

:fu:

By the way, I wasn't going to say anything about some recent kills posted here, but I think I will. You all who actually read my posts know I am a firm believer in the "driver makes the race". Well, there have been some kills posted the past few days about kills by cars that were outclassed numbers wise, but I completely believe them, as did everyone who posts here. Again I know, I'm the outsider so I'm going to be under a microscope, and not be cut the same slack. That said I don't see how a 280rwhp m coupe saying he beat a 390hp Cobra is somehow more realistic than a 250 rwhp Z saying I can hang off the line with a 333hp E46(not sure what they put down to the ground) to 60mph if I outdrive the M3?

Even then, I said this guy took me by several car lengths to 80. Only thing I claimed was uphill we were dead even, both accelerating very slowly because of the incline.

So, DonJuan, what was BS? I'll tell you what I think is BS, replying with no text and a GIF animation that says BS, and not backing up your rebuttal at all.

Originally posted by r6e36
13.64 timeslip from a STOCK 350Z? I think not. Modded maybe...

I watched one put down a 13.6x at the track in Epping, NH. about three weeks ago on a nicely chill night. Two, in fact, were under 13.8, but the 13.6x silver one was stock and the blue one that ran 13.7x definitely had some kind of exhaust.

I wonder what rear end the new Zs run. One serious advantage that always seems forgotten re: E46 M3 is its 3.64 diff - it's pretty aggressive for a street car, even with the 6-speed.
Even though it should have come with a 3.91 from the factory. :redspot

Either way, Mr. Nance, nice run. I took out a C5 to the tune of three stoplights about a week ago because the kid didn't take me seriously at first, and then started launching so high that he just sat and spun at the light with me loooong gone. Beautiful car, inexperienced driver. It's the street - anything can happen. :)

To my mind, corrected times on a 1/4-mile run would be akin to projected numbers for a baseball player who didn't play the entire season (due to being called up from the minors... or any injury... or whatever).

If someone hits 35 HRs in 81 games, they don't double that and say he hit 70 HRs for the season. It goes in the statistical archives as 35 HRs -- which is what he DID in reality.

You can bend numbers any way you want, when you start getting into corrections and projections. Hell, look at the accounting mess in the business world these days... savvy accountants can "cook the books" to make things look the way they want.

Similarly, someone could tweak a correction formula to tip it in their favor.

My vote goes in line with Dave's comment -- if it ain't been run, it ain't be done.

I have spoken.

Originally posted by Ron17
To my mind, corrected times on a 1/4-mile run would be akin to projected numbers for a baseball player who didn't play the entire season (due to being called up from the minors... or any injury... or whatever).

If someone hits 35 HRs in 81 games, they don't double that and say he hit 70 HRs for the season. It goes in the statistical archives as 35 HRs -- which is what he DID in reality.

You can bend numbers any way you want, when you start getting into corrections and projections. Hell, look at the accounting mess in the business world these days... savvy accountants can "cook the books" to make things look the way they want.

Similarly, someone could tweak a correction formula to tip it in their favor.

My vote goes in line with Dave's comment -- if it ain't been run, it ain't be done.

I have spoken.

I completely see your point of view Ron, although I have to question your analogy ;) Your analogy would be more like figuring what your 1/4 time and trap would be after running an 1/8th mile.

I know completely that corrected times are unrespected, and should not be used. I was merely stating that it really blows that I could probably run these times if I didn't live in such a hot place.

One last comment on this subject. Almost all dyno's, specifically Dynojet's, correct for temperature, don't they? I am almost positive this is common practice. What do folks think about that?

Originally posted by Rob Nance
I completely see your point of view Ron, although I have to question your analogy ;) Your analogy would be more like figuring what your 1/4 time and trap would be after running an 1/8th mile.

Yeah... but you see what I was driving at, right? :D


Originally posted by Rob Nance
One last comment on this subject. Almost all dyno's, specifically Dynojet's, correct for temperature, don't they? I am almost positive this is common practice. What do folks think about that?

Well, the thing about that is, you can determine, with a high degree of accuracy, how an engine's output will vary based on prevailing atmospheric conditions. There are few variables in that equation.

However, 1/4-mile times are determined based on a seemingly infinite number of variables, so it's hard to put much faith in an equation for "correcting" times. The mere fact that there are several different formulas out there for correcting shows you that it is a HIGHLY inexact science.

Originally posted by Ron17
Yeah... but you see what I was driving at, right? :D




Well, the thing about that is, you can determine, with a high degree of accuracy, how an engine's output will vary based on prevailing atmospheric conditions. There are few variables in that equation.

However, 1/4-mile times are determined based on a seemingly infinite number of variables, so it's hard to put much faith in an equation for "correcting" times. The mere fact that there are several different formulas out there for correcting shows you that it is a HIGHLY inexact science.

Agreed on all counts. Like if it was 150 degrees and 90% humidity the car would probably have half the horsepower, so launching it would be much easier, therefore negating the relation entirely, etc. Easier to see what you are saying at an extreme like that. I see your point, and it's noted...but you did just say that I had less horsepower and it's a more exact science ;)

I wonder where the closest roadtrip to nice weather would be for me :) Going to be mid to high 70s and probably 60% humidity Wednesday night at the dragstrip. I'm thinking it's the humidity more than the temperature that kills the power, but would have to look that up. With about 10 less degrees and a little less humidity I should at least be able to get 13's, even if high 13's. I am moving at the end of the week, I really shouldn't be going to the dragstrip this week, lol.

Rob, in all seriousness, I wouldn't get too wrapped up in it, and who cares what other people think? You know what you can do in your car. Just state the times you actually run. No asterisk needed. Be proud of your accomplishments.

When are these 350Z stories going to end? :D No time soon I hope ;)

For the record, I was with CMT at Epping and saw the 350z's in the 13s. I didn't actually see the 13.6, but, I did see a 13.9 and 13.8 from them.

I was actually stupid enough to run my car with my snow tires.:stickoutt

Daytona Violet rules.

:devillook

Originally posted by Ron17
Daytona Violet rules.

:devillook


OH YEAH!!!:evil2 Girls LOVE it!!:boobies

Originally posted by bimmer143
OH YEAH!!!:evil2 Girls LOVE it!!:boobies

So does Prince... :devillook :laugh

Originally posted by SilverStreak
So does Prince... :devillook :laugh

You jealous? Prince lover.........I bet you've always wanted a "little red corvette";) "baby it goes so fast" :help :laugh

BTW, did you and Ron ever settle the CL vs M3 dispute at the drags? I still think we'll take you.:D A little "purple rain" on your parade.;)

Ahem, it's "Baby, you're much too fast" first of all... and let's keep in mind that I'm not the full grown adult man driving a purple car... ;)

And no, Ron wrecked his old car before we could settle it. But I'm still here. And I still think the CL will win, I only got 1 run when it had 1007 miles on it, and still managed a 14.1 at 96 mph, which is better than Ron ever got and he had repeated runs on a few occasions... :D

Dave's forgetting that his learning curve has reached asymptote... while I trudge ahead up the curve.

I'm still waiting for y'all N. VA / MD / NJ / PA people to put together a drag strip meet and I'll come up.

I already know that vjlax18 will attend, too, as he promised me that he would. He'll even bring his wife in her Vette.

Learning curve, nothing. I only got 1 run in. And it's FWD. Tons of room for improvement... while you're stuck in the 14's... ;)

Temporarily... :D

I'll be the first guy to wish you congrats when you break into the 13's... I just hope it happens before I retire... ;)

Just Text Msg'ed Justin to see about hitting the track... maybe next weekend (this one is too busy).

If you don't retire before next weekend, perhaps... ? :dunno

You never know, I ain't gettin' any younger ;) ... good luck! :alright

Damn! They are going to our usual strip tonight, but I can't go this weekend, because I have so much ish going on. :mad:

I'm seeing about next weekend and making it an ATL Drag Meet. Perhaps some of our other BFC bretheren will get out there -- Justin, Geordie, Ali, Def, etc...

Who knows? :dunno

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Ahem, it's "Baby, you're much too fast" first of all... and let's keep in mind that I'm not the full grown adult man driving a purple car... ;)

And no, Ron wrecked his old car before we could settle it. But I'm still here. And I still think the CL will win, I only got 1 run when it had 1007 miles on it, and still managed a 14.1 at 96 mph, which is better than Ron ever got and he had repeated runs on a few occasions... :D

Hehe, you would know the correct lyrics......;)

Hey, at least I'm comfortable enough with my manhood that I can handle driving a purple car!!:D

Man, I haven't posted here in a while and had forgotten what good fun it is. You guys always give me a good laugh and can tease without getting pissed off!!:buttrock

As for the challenge, I'd still be up for a trip down to run a few times. I've been once with my snow tires as said above. 14.02 @101 with a crappy 2.35 60ft. That was my very first run in this car! I went again and had changed form my Tuner chip to an AA chip and 21.5lb injectors and the car got slower!! I pulled 14.11 @97 with a 2.1 60ft. My very first run that day also. Needless to say, I swicthed back and the car is much better now. If only it would stop freakin raining on fridays and wednesdays I'd have tested it again.

I'm pretty confident, with the car running right again, I'll pull in the 13's my first run. Maybe it's me, but, losing 4 mph up top and pulling a tenth slower while dropping 2 tenths off my 60 ft equates to a good amount of power loss!! I shift consistently and tried a bunch of different shift points, but, it just wasn't making the power. I'll let you guys know the results.

Here I go, hijacking another thread. Sorry...:help

It would be my pleasure to embarass you... :devillook ;)

:D

Originally posted by SilverStreak
It would be my pleasure to embarass you... :devillook ;)

:D

We'll see......:evil2

350Z's really nice cars. But i must agree that they're more in e36 M3 range and not e46 M3. I have a 2002 Honda S2000 and am dying to run both cars!

Originally posted by Black328iS
350Z's really nice cars. But i must agree that they're more in e36 M3 range and not e46 M3. I have a 2002 Honda S2000 and am dying to run both cars!

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talk about off topic!!!


nice run nance.

I wonder how a 350z with this set up will do againts a stock E46 M3. <a href="http://192.168.2.91:8080/350zmods/supercharger.cfm">See here.</a>

I was at Infineon a few weeks ago and there was a blue 350z in my run group. Also driven by an instructor. He was quicker than me in the corners--which he should be even on street tires as I am spotting him at least 400 pounds. However, on the straights it was about dead even. Another E34 M5 owner had the same experience at Sebring. Which stands to reason as our cars are about a 14 second car but a bit stronger from a roll. Just like a 350z. The E46 M3 is A LOT faster than my car.