Should I go Bavtoys or umnitza? Bavtoys are 150. umnitza is 200 but says the are some sorta of special Depo for them only?

do either of these come with the city light bulbs?

thanks
jason

Should I go Bavtoys or umnitza? Bavtoys are 150. umnitza is 200 but says the are some sorta of special Depo for them only?

do either of these come with the city light bulbs?

thanks
jason

we have them in stock, they have the city light sockets and you can order the wedge bulbs from us or get them locally in any parts store.
pm me if you have any questions or need help.

You can find those Gen depos at ddmtuning.com, they are about $100 and they too come with the city light wedge pre-installed. Plus they come with all light bulbs and you don't have to pay for the PNP harness, it comes with the headlights....(as it should) hint hint...

Check you there website, they have lot's of goodies for very good prices, and great service.

DDMTuning.com

You can find those Gen depos at ddmtuning.com, they are about $100 and they too come with the city light wedge pre-installed. Plus they come with all light bulbs and you don't have to pay for the PNP harness, it comes with the headlights....(as it should) hint hint...

Check you there website, they have lot's of goodies for very good prices, and great service.

DDMTuning.com

you obviously missed the title and his post, no where did he ask for your suggestion or input.
im sure some people are intersted in waiting weeks to save a few bucks and maybe get what the paid for, if you want genuine depo at a reasonable price and right now not in a month there's one place to go.

You can find those Gen depos at ddmtuning.com, Check you there website, they have lot's of goodies for very good prices, and great service.

DDMTuning.com

+1 for DDM. They have them. Great customer service and pricing.

you obviously missed the title and his post, no where did he ask for your suggestion or input.
im sure some people are intersted in waiting weeks to save a few bucks and maybe get what the paid for, if you want genuine depo at a reasonable price and right now not in a month there's one place to go.

Talk about hypocritical...sheez. And E36M34lift did state DDM had them.:shifty

id go with bav toys, heres my old e36 with DEPO GEN 4

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u147/jaydamwah/abm13.jpg

im sure some people are intersted in waiting weeks to save a few bucks and maybe get what the paid for, if you want genuine depo at a reasonable price and right now not in a month there's one place to go.


are you trying to suggest that they have fake depos?

OP, I am sure all vendors have real DEPO's. Yes DDM is slow, if you want it asap I would go bavtoys.

www.ddmtuning.com FTW

DDM FTW huh? i can find a hand full of recent threads and posts that suggest otherwise.

i have to say, DDM has really impressed me with their customer service and prices. im looking for Depo's and they have the best price/package bar none.

i have to say, DDM has really impressed me with their customer service and prices. im looking for Depo's and they have the best price/package bar none.

:dunno so go with them and wait a month.

my current ddm status= 1 week since order & no shippy

DDM has a bunch of retards working there....
just had to deal with them.....very poor service imo

If you want to pay less but are patient go with ddm, but don't say that or else forum members dedicated to making them look bad will take over your life. they're backed up for a reason and they are hated on for the same reason, same quality (hasn't been PROVEN otherwise), better customer service (search and you'll see how many free parts were given to people and how they take care of problems), and you won't find them in every lighting thread bad mouthing their competitors. If you have no patience and extra $$ to spend, and don't mind no answer when something goes wrong with your stuff, then go with someone else with the same ish. These days, its not too smart to spend more money than you have to. But don't leave your final decision to what someone tells you here b/c you'll get nothing but contradictory info. Just look at your wallet, your calender, and make your own decision. Quality will not be the factoring difference in your decision. Any anti-DDm guys who got a sour taste in their mouth from reading this post, see my sig.

If you want to pay less but are patient go with ddm, but don't say that or else forum members dedicated to making them look bad will take over your life. they're backed up for a reason and they are hated on for the same reason, same quality (hasn't been PROVEN otherwise), better customer service (search and you'll see how many free parts were given to people and how they take care of problems), and you won't find them in every lighting thread bad mouthing their competitors. If you have no patience and extra $$ to spend, and don't mind no answer when something goes wrong with your stuff, then go with someone else with the same ish. These days, its not too smart to spend more money than you have to. But don't leave your final decision to what someone tells you here b/c you'll get nothing but contradictory info. Just look at your wallet, your calender, and make your own decision. Quality will not be the factoring difference in your decision. Any anti-DDm guys who got a sour taste in their mouth from reading this post, see my sig.

That was rather harsh, and quite untrue. I placed an order from BAVToys and Habbie personally called me a few times before my order shipped out because I sent him some PM's right after I placed my order. He wanted to make sure I was, and would be, completely happy with my order. He made certain suggestions and answered all my questions. As I had already paid he was under no obligation to contact me. In fact, if I hadn't of send him a PM my order would have been shipped that day. Even with it having been in the later part of the afternoon.

We talked for quite a while because I had more questions, which popped into my head after I placed my order. Could have been bad for me, but I'm glad it all turned out well. I'd give BAVToys and A++ rating for Customer Service. When a business is willing to go out of their way to call a customer to verify their order is exactly what they want (after payment I'll add!) and making certain suggestions/recommendations that says something.

If I'll be even further honest, I was actually on the phone with him as I was building my order. Getting questions answered there. He was a huge help to me, making suggestions according to MY budget. All in all I believe I made a good choice, getting a good quality lightning system as apposed to a generic version.

that's the thing, other people get no word, some get full service. with ddm its 100% as long as you actually can get through to them. They are real busy all the time. I'm sorry but habbie has proven to be kind of a douche. I say that b/c when that whole lighting war thing happened, I was asking him about his products but then when he saw that I was considering ddm and trying to compare products and prices, he took as some kind of betrayal and would never answer any of my pms no more. Add members who go out of their way to bad mouth ddm for no reason, and you have a potential customer who was turned away by the company themselves. I'm sorry but it doesn't take a genius to figure out whats going on right infront of him/her. All they can say is that their products is fake, which has yet to be actually proven, and repeat the common knowledge that DDm is overflowing with orders. Why are they overflowing with orders? I don't think I need to answer that question, its obvious. But I'm sure habbie and whoever else take care of their customers, atleast the ones they choose too. I just wanted to justify my position to you BenBMw. But everyone is entitled to spend their hard earned money the way they want. The proof is in the pudding. Everyone should always use their discretion, especially when the economy is tanking. If there wasn't such a price difference and if habbie didn't seem like such a douche, I would have ordered my headlights from somewhere else. And yea, they probably would have been here already. But I pay too much for gas and too much for car insurance, and I'm repaying student loans. Every penny counts.

If you want to pay less but are patient go with ddm, but don't say that or else forum members dedicated to making them look bad will take over your life. they're backed up for a reason and they are hated on for the same reason, same quality (hasn't been PROVEN otherwise), better customer service (search and you'll see how many free parts were given to people and how they take care of problems), and you won't find them in every lighting thread bad mouthing their competitors. If you have no patience and extra $$ to spend, and don't mind no answer when something goes wrong with your stuff, then go with someone else with the same ish. These days, its not too smart to spend more money than you have to. But don't leave your final decision to what someone tells you here b/c you'll get nothing but contradictory info. Just look at your wallet, your calender, and make your own decision. Quality will not be the factoring difference in your decision. Any anti-DDm guys who got a sour taste in their mouth from reading this post, see my sig.

well now, you claim that both products are the same.... but have you had both in front of you? i have. you claim DDM has better customer service bc they give free stuff away... and why do you think that is? bc they mess up so many orders? ive experienced both companies customer service and Bav Toys ranks at the top. it sounds to me from reading many of your post that you are pro-ddm and thats fine, but how can you criticize a company based on a forum? DDM is well known for "you have to call to get a hold of them", so wouldnt that mean bad customer service to you? please think before you post. oh ya, look at the post above the 1 i quoted of yours. :rofl

the common knowledge that DDm is overflowing with orders. Why are they overflowing with orders? I don't think I need to answer that question, its obvious.

ddm is like a group buy company, you place your order with them, they will either charge or wait to charge your card, order your products and wait for the "containers" to come in.... i find it very had that if all the items were in stock that they cant ship... i dont see any other company that takes a month to ship headlights.:eyecrazy

That was my opinion, get over it. I criticize a company based on how they handle themselves. No where did I say that calling them is the only way to contact them. Its GOOD customer service when your a company that openly admits ahead of time how backed up you are and your other forthecomings and then go out of your way to correct the problem. Especially when 90% of the time it ends up in a free replacement or upgrade. The Proof Is In The Pudding. I think its bad business practices when you and your "agents" are on aforum bad mouthing the other side, blatantly beat around the bush when a potential customer asks a legitimate question (like Where do you get your stuff from if its so different among other questions) and answer them with a scolding criticism of their intentions while not answering the questions everrr. Wake up, just b/c people aren't infront of you doesn't mean their suckers. You, mpowered95, put laughing smileys like it makes the opposite view of yours look ridiculous and incoherent. Every day you guys drive more and more people to DDM. That's why they're backed up. If that was umnitza/bavtoys original strategy, then you guys are geniuses. How bout explaining all the criticism instead of tap dancing around it. And just saying the same ol "product exclusiveness" and all those little things that you think makes the same product different is b.s.. Maybe the 16 yr old or the mommy/daddy donated forum members can continue to belive your propaganda campaign, but not those who know their roundel from their anus. Balls. Grow em. With that I'm done, b/c its pretty herbish to go out of your way to protect a company that doesn't put money in your pocket. Unless they do for YOU, then it would make sense. I'll continue to wait for my products which I paid nearly $200 less for. Douches will be Douches. I feel dirty just for continuing these type of arguments. Sorry Admins, but I don't like to leave things un answered, I'll do my best to avoid posts like this. I see why you get so annoyed.

sorry, one last question: Why can't product and service speak for themselves? It would work better than your current plan of attack.

Just let it go, everyone has their own opinions. Let's just give DDM some time to get settled in with all the new employees and whatnot and then see how they do.

its funny how hypocritical some of you really are, like when some1 calls me a bavboy that works for DDM or some1 that swears by DDM to be backed up when you really have no idea whats going on. its also a bit childish to start calling members and forum sponsors names... that will get you nowhere fast. personally, if i was habbie, id tell you to take a hike too. and btw, no1 asked you for you opinions... if you have 1, go leave it in vendor comments.



edit: HEY ROARF! :wave

Personally, I have no bias towards any company as I just don't care enough to bother.

I am curious though, as I've seen this come up quite a few times while browsing this section. Why do people say these Depo's that DDMtuning sells are fake? Does anyone have proof to back that up?

Just let it go, everyone has their own opinions. Let's just give DDM some time to get settled in with all the new employees and whatnot and then see how they do.

The fact is, DDM is experiencing an unrealistic growth rate. They have entered the market with a business plan of underselling all their competitors. They have an unusually high sales volume that will eventually decline, and very rapidly.

I would definately purchase from them for certain products, over many other vendors. As for lighting though, I'd rather pay for innovation rather then genericization.

Think of it simplistically. You have your OEM parts & your aftermarket parts. Umnitza/BAVToys uses some innovation to create new products (OEM), and then other vendors come in with a generic product of similar quality (Aftermarket). Sometimes the other vendors try to build on it, but it seems they're not really interested in doing that very much. Pay for the original design, with a higher cost, or go for a generic version at a lower cost. Either way, to each his or her own. You should be satisfied with the quality of each. It all comes down to personal preference.

I'll also add that many people look at the price of an item far too much, and put too much "weight" on it. If price is your top priority don't expect to get the best quality.

The fact is, DDM is experiencing an unrealistic growth rate. They have entered the market with a business plan of underselling all their competitors. They have an unusually high sales volume that will eventually decline, and very rapidly.

I would definately purchase from them for certain products, over many other vendors. As for lighting though, I'd rather pay for innovation rather then genericization.

Think of it simplistically. You have your OEM parts & your aftermarket parts. Umnitza/BAVToys uses some innovation to create new products (OEM), and then other vendors come in with a generic product of similar quality (Aftermarket). Sometimes the other vendors try to build on it, but it seems they're not really interested in doing that very much. Pay for the original design, with a higher cost, or go for a generic version at a lower cost. Either way, to each his or her own. You should be satisfied with the quality of each. It all comes down to personal preference.

I'll also add that many people look at the price of an item far too much, and put too much "weight" on it. If price is your top priority don't expect to get the best quality.


its not OEM and aftermarket, its namebrand and housebrand or rebranding. Both made by the same company, coming from the same factory with very slight diffrences.

Predator Chromium's for example... Umnitza goes to Mycarr with an idea "can you make this" they then make it for them with the Umnitza name on it... Mycarr then takes the same product with a slight variation (no backing) and sells it under their house name Mycarr.

Go to a grocery store and look at some products. Compare the name brand to the housebrand. Alot of times they are exactly the same just rebranded.


OP, I can tell you you will be happy with DEPO's no matter who you get them from. I highly doubt that DEPO made special lights just for Umnitza, and if they did Bavtoys and Umnitza work together so they should be the same no matter.

its not OEM and aftermarket, its namebrand and housebrand or rebranding. Both made by the same company, coming from the same factory with very slight diffrences.

Predator Chromium's for example... Umnitza goes to Mycarr with an idea "can you make this" they then make it for them with the Umnitza name on it... Mycarr then takes the same product with a slight variation (no backing) and sells it under their house name Mycarr.

Go to a grocery store and look at some products. Compare the name brand to the housebrand. Alot of times they are exactly the same just rebranded.


OP, I can tell you you will be happy with DEPO's no matter who you get them from. I highly doubt that DEPO made special lights just for Umnitza, and if they did Bavtoys and Umnitza work together so they should be the same no matter.

+1

BenBMW, what you said makes no sense at all (the OEM/Aftermarket thing). Might as well delete that part of the post...I hope you can agree that was misinformation.

And yes, OP...getting Depos is just a matter of from who and for how much. I would recommend DDM

The names are descriptions of how someone presents themselves. I didn't think this is the bringthefascism.com forums, I can say what impression someone makes on me if i want. The difference is I'm not going to repeat it in 100 threads whenever the opportunity arises like some people.
I think the OP has enough info and different views to go make a decision on there own. Also OP, theres EAS and alot of other places besides the two main ones that are talked about all the time.

Both companies, along with many others are availiable to provide you with quality Depo lighting systems. As you have read in all of the above posts we have a very high backorder rate right now. We typically have items in stock and ready to ship as any vendor should, however, the consumers made their voices heard in April by placing well over 550 headlight orders at our everyday pricing under the guise of a special called Jims Birthday Bash.

We are thankful for the orders and continue to rebound from the incredible response we had to Jims Birthday. We typically carry anywhere from 150-200 sets of Depo lights in stock and you caught us offguard bimmerforums. We apologize for not realizing just how much all of you had been yearning for a change. We are continuing to improve, and are appreciative of the responses we have received from our customers, both good and bad.

In the early 1980's a small, innovative, upstart, and price competitive company named Microsoft dealt with many order issues and customers waited for months to receive their Windows software as a result of the popularity and pricing of the product compared to what was out already. Those who chose not to deal with Microsofts growing pains purchased Texas Instruments.

We appreciate all of the feedback and thank all vendors who are courteous enough to provide their professional insight as to how we can improve.

:rolleyes does this answer any of the OPs questions? how about less advertising and more question answering.

I am sorry about that Mpowered, I was pretty sure I addressed OP's question in my first sentence. I used the rest the space to address concerns yourself and others brought up earlier in the thread.

-Casey

you obviously missed the title and his post, no where did he ask for your suggestion or input.
im sure some people are intersted in waiting weeks to save a few bucks and maybe get what the paid for, if you want genuine depo at a reasonable price and right now not in a month there's one place to go.
no longer umnitza but same old attitude SMH

I had ZKW's and put Umnitiza's HID kit in (proluem), HIDs from Habbie and Depo's and HIDs from DDM.

My experience was that the Proluems had one bulb with lower output then the other. Not Umnitza's issue since I took a year to drive around in that car at nite much. HIDS from Habbie were shipped quick and arrived in good order. They were nicely packaged, no installation problems.
DDMs Depo's and HIDs installed were slow in getting to me but they said that would be the case in the forum and I PM'ed a few times and they did arrive.
They are not the same quality as the ZKWs however they are perfectly adequate for the car (318ti) I installed them in and they work perfectly.
My experience is that I have had a good experience with all of these guys. Oh and Umnitza sent a set of HIDs out after Thanksgiving and Fed-Ex seemed to have dropped the ball and I called 10 days later to ask what was up. Umnitiza sent another set out first thing so two days later both sets show up. I sent the second one back but that speaks of integrity to ship another set based upon my word.
I buy things as much as I can from guys on this forum because they know their products and are enthusists like we are....

I had ZKW's and put Umnitiza's HID kit in (proluem), HIDs from Habbie and Depo's and HIDs from DDM.

My experience was that the Proluems had one bulb with lower output then the other. Not Umnitza's issue since I took a year to drive around in that car at nite much. HIDS from Habbie were shipped quick and arrived in good order. They were nicely packaged, no installation problems.
DDMs Depo's and HIDs installed were slow in getting to me but they said that would be the case in the forum and I PM'ed a few times and they did arrive.
They are not the same quality as the ZKWs however they are perfectly adequate for the car (318ti) I installed them in and they work perfectly.
My experience is that I have had a good experience with all of these guys. Oh and Umnitza sent a set of HIDs out after Thanksgiving and Fed-Ex seemed to have dropped the ball and I called 10 days later to ask what was up. Umnitiza sent another set out first thing so two days later both sets show up. I sent the second one back but that speaks of integrity to ship another set based upon my word.
I buy things as much as I can from guys on this forum because they know their products and are enthusists like we are....



lighting forum post of the year.

DDM is my vote if you want DEPO's.

I ordered mine with Jim's bday pricing, what a surprise it took awhile to get them. Everytime I contacted them over bimmerforums, I had a response that day or the next telling me exactly what was up, no bullshit. I have them now and absolutely love them, best deal on lights out there, shipping was fast once they shipped and the service was amazing. I'll be buying more parts from them soon!

DDM is my vote if you want DEPO's.

I ordered mine with Jim's bday pricing, what a surprise it took awhile to get them. Everytime I contacted them over bimmerforums, I had a response that day or the next telling me exactly what was up, no bullshit. I have them now and absolutely love them, best deal on lights out there, shipping was fast once they shipped and the service was amazing. I'll be buying more parts from them soon!

would you like to contradict yourself a little more, please... :rolleyes

would you like to contradict yourself a little more, please... :rolleyes


I fail to see any contradiction.

I fail

fixed

I knew the lights would take awhile, but everytime I asked them what the delay was they let me know ASAP what was up. Smoke less chron, you're forgetting how to read.

I knew the lights would take awhile, but everytime I asked them what the delay was they let me know ASAP what was up. Smoke less chron, you're forgetting how to read.

pssshhh, i dont smoke cron, only exotics..... :pimpflash